Why are commies so retarded?
So retarded that they were the first to go to space
>>537037063I don't think you understand what communism is, but you project it on american libtard tranny rethorics, to sow internal division.In essence, you are as retarded as the trannies.
>>537037063>I meant your moneythe assumption here is that the rich person earned every single cent they have. this is false. so your entire gay comic is built off of a false premise. if you become rich by scraping labor value from others then it's not really YOUR money to begin with.
>>537037143Yeah but the Soviets completely fucked up and fumbled the space race. It was basically over once Sergei Korolev died, the American's at least figured out how to make it commercially viable.
>>537037063>le commiekekWhy don't you shills ever talk about the "social security" ponzi scheme?>inb4 b-but ur le commiethey're both scams, stupid nigger
>>537037143Cope leftypol tranny, cope.
>I want to empower the working class by repealing anti-worker constraints like the Taft-Hartley act and restrictions against striking to enable them to take control over their own workplaces and make them democratically operated>NOOOO! THAT'S MUH PROPERTY! NOOOOOOOOOO!
>>537037063>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE MONEY FROM THE POOR OPPRESSED BILLIONAIRE, HE EARNED EVERY SINGLE CENT THROUGH HARD WORK REEEEEEELol yes we can and we will. Blue wave is coming soon thanks to Trump being a colossal fuck up.
>>537037063it's national collectives money because a currency is national, not individual. Nation can do whatever it wants with its money.
>>537037283Co-ops are perfectly legal. There's nothing stopping workers from organising themselves without an business owner.
>>5370371431. All thanks to german engineers that they kidnapped after the war2. Because nobody really cared about it at the time3. Still lost the moon race
>>537037063True... but now make another version with this version, and a Judeo NPC Neo Con Conservative Golem replacing give / help the "Non State Niggers" with give / help the "State Niggers / Piggers / Reptiles / Jews / Police states / " fellow whites" because of their "muh proud work ethic" "doer" "go getter" "muh dog eat dog" "that's just how the Jewish world works" "best goy", Judeo Neo Con Anon
>>537037143Soviets fucking despised faggots like you.
>>537037270I dont think communists understand what communism is.>capitalist society, lots of people are poor but you can become wealthy with the right idea or good timing or completely by chance or even working hard (but smartly)>government and businesses own most of the moneyvs>communist society>everyone is dirt poor and miserable, only predestined oligarchs are allowed to have any wealth and government controls 99% of it living in complete luxurySure both systems suck for most common people, but in communism you can never escape the suck in capitalism there is still a chance to make it. You could be born a hot woman and slut it up, you could blow up off streaming/youtube as one of the lucky few, you could save for years and start up your own business if you have some good ideas or know the industry well (several friends I know that started in construction now own their own construction/landscaping/demolition businesses and are making 200-300k a year). If you are in communist russia you are guaranteed to be a vodka swigging gopnik loser forever.
>>537037464Why do you think Germany never had a chance to turn their V2 rockets into a space program?
>>537037464>All thanks to german engineers that they kidnapped after the warNo the Soviets relied mostly on a genius who they dredged out of a gulag, fucked up his health for life and led to a premature death leaving their space program in a lurch.
>>537037502>USSR>everyone is dirt poor and miserablestupid mutt telling me about USSR. USSR was a lot more meritocratic than anything in capitalism, there was no magical misery that you talk about. Class divide was way smaller and movement between classds was actually possible.
A semi state controlled economy is the best economy. Enough to drive innovation but also not let capitalism get too overboard
>>537037448>Co-ops are perfectly legalright. but most normies aren't aware of this. it's high time we wake them up. also what is your argument?>if you don't like it just join a co-op dudenot many exist. you can't just jump ship from your current company to join/start a co-op
>>537037628>USSR was a lot more meritocraticJesus fucking Christ no.
>>537037482Actually yes, let's do capitalism like china meaning actually free market, no bailouts for banks when they fuck up, instead we execute the faggot bankers screwing pension funds.Also we revert to 99.8% ethnically homogenous.And free market doesn't apply to pharma, energy, transportation and military industries since maximising profits for any of those is a net negative for society. Everything else is a hunger game of hundred of companies competing for maximal efficiency, with the occasional government subsidies to steer long term planning.
>>537037436unfathomably zaysed
>>537037513Because America opened the second front
>>537037063Problem with hobos is antisocial behaviour, not money. You can give them a brand new mansion and they'll turn it into a piss stained shithole full of used needles and graffiti
>>537037680that if business owners were useless leeches co-ops would be easily out-competing them
>>537037692>let's do capitalism like china> meaning actually free marketNo. China is not a free market at all. >no bailouts for banksChina absolutely loves bailing in their banks. It's why they have 2 currencies. >when they fuck up, instead we execute the faggot bankers screwing pension funds.When has China ever? They occasionally execute businessmen for being cartoonishly evil (like Sanlu) but never for financial crimes.
>>537037716Hitler declared war on the United States even though he didn't have to. He signed the death warrant of his own reich.
>>537037716Germany had already been driven back to Prussia in the east by the time the western front opened up
>>537037683yes, it was. I walked to school and played with kids whose parents were in high positions in soviet lithuania. Some of them even lived in apartment blocks with normal people. My kids, in capitalism, went to school with other poor kids because rich kids were already seperated to private schools. The misery happened when soviet union fell and it was most miserable from 1990 to around 2000.
>>537037063>Then why don't you start a businessBecause a bunch of kikes made a bunch of laws and regulations to make sure it is as difficult as possible to do without millions of dollars.
>>537037869>I walked to school and played with kids whose parents were in high positions in soviet lithuania. Some of them even lived in apartment blocks with normal people.The USSR is bigger than Lithuania and had multiple massive fuck ups involving people who had no reason being in positions of power over particular subject matters. Such as Trofim Lysenko, Communist plant man, who was the highest authority of biological matters for about 40 years. Despite causing about 3 famines.
>>537037785No that was the smart move to make in a bad situation. It allowed him to open up unrestricted submarine warfare on US shipping right away now that the US was officially mobilizing for war with Japan anyway, which he correctly surmised would eventually come to him anyway. He got like a year before they even landed in North Africa, another half a year until they were in Italy, and another year until they invaded France. The US was never going to sit out Europe once Japan got the gears turning.
>>537037785Yeah that was retarded, really holding a grudge against France is the reason he lost, if he didn't care about going west and just kept gassing the jews and slavs nobody would care, but grudge against France was the reason he became Hitler so i guess there was no other way, the war was over before it started.>>537037860Because they anticipated the allies landing for years and diverted significant portion of military strengths away from already stretched out front. Also second front campaign didn't begin with landing it started with supplying Subhuman Union with ammo and food which was the only reason they didn't starve and kept fighting.
>>537037482Chinas success is entirely thanks to the West for moving manufacturing there to take advantage of cheap labor. If we did that here in our own nations, you would accuse us of exploiting the poor. What a shit example from a retarded poster.
>>537037758business owners aren't useless leeches, they provide value but that value is not 1000x their lowest-paid employee
>>537038248>they provide value but that value is not 1000x their lowest-paid employeeElon Musk creates the value that is worth more than 1000x of some unskilled spic that mops the floor in a tesla factory
>>537037680> what is your argument?It’s not an argument, it’s a kill shot. You CAN live communistically under capitalism. There are only two reasons a communist would not elect to do so:>co-ops do not work>they just want free shitHere is a useful heuristic to determine which is which:>Co-OP’s existWhich means you just want free shit and are arguing in bad faith.Now enough explaining, follow me.
>>537038248>e but that value is not 1000x their lowest-paid employee...But the only business with such huge disparity in pay are publicly traded companies where ownership belongs with stockholders not the CEO.
>>537038248> that value is not 1000x their lowest-paid employeeWhat if they have more than a thousand lowest-paid employees?
>>537038347>shareholdersB-but… that’s communism!
>>537038329Well any janitor who started at Tesla early on is possibly a multi millionaire if he got stock.Like how Amazon got shit load of warehouse managers who got rich.
>>537038198>If we did that here in our own nations, you would accuse us of exploiting the poor.The West doesn't exploit the poor at all. It's not exploitation to pay your servers $2 an hour while the median home price is $450,000. Your general laborers make $7-15 an hour. Your whores and tech jockeys sit in an air conditioned room and jerk each other off and they are not poor, yet all your apps from all your different companies look and operate the exact same, with even some of the same retarded glitchesNo, you just exploit their poor in China and that's OK as long as you claim the moral high ground as home
>>537037283the labor theory of value has been considered obsolete for the past 150 or so years.
>>537037063Their Ba'al (LORD) demands it.
>>537037482china is a mixed economy.when they tried full socialism, 45 million people died in 3 years.also, standard of living in the majority of china are inferior to standards of living in western countries.
>>537038329>Elon Musk creates the value that is worth more than 1000x of some unskilled spic that mops the floor in a tesla factoryelon points at people and tells them what to do, and then pays some chinese gamer to play PoE for him so he can pretend to be good at games. any spic i've ever met can do that
>>537038593>also, standard of living in the majority of china are inferior to standards of living in western countries.And they have a retarded amount of people inefficiently working in agriculture. Like 18%, nothing wrong with being a farmer, but when you're outproduced by the US in yields who only have about 1.5% of their significantly smaller population in agriculture it shows a lot of inefficiency.
>>537038537>the labor theory of value has been considered obsolete for the past 150 or so years.by who? kek
>>537037063Jewish ideology based on deracination, theft and kleptokracy it never had a chance.
>>537037482>china is good>we want to be like chinaHaha ok ching chong
>>537038735It was never relevant. You would have to be completely braindead to think your personal time to labor has anything to do with actual value to anyone else.
>>537038537Really? So why does the integrated government-business ruling body set up by kikes in every Western country devalue labour with women's employment and mass immigration to make massive profits? Isn't that a tacit admission that it is correct?
>>537037143centralized resource distribution in global economic system already dominated by free market trade is pretty retarded desu
>>537038522>The West doesn't exploit the poor at all. Not the way China does, no.>No, you just exploit their poor in China and that's OK as long as you claim the moral high ground as homeThe point was that the previous anon's comic was attempting to idealize what China is doing and its retarded upon further insight. Asians exploit their own poor and allow foreigners to do it, hardly a situation that leftists or commies would want here in White nations.
>>537038163>Yeah that was retarded, really holding a grudge against France is the reason he lost, if he didn't care about going west and just kept gassing the jews and slavs nobody would careHe would have kept going east had Britain and France not declared war on Germany. They did so to protect Poland which they really had no ability or intention to do.
>>537037977again with Lysenko, the stupid pro-capitalist western book boogeyman "communists are so stupid haha". he only had theories, those theories got enforced and stagnated agriculture in ussr, no famines were caused by them. China had their own thing with Mao, those deaths were on Mao, not on Lysenko. Problem is that all your "knowledge" comes from stupid books that are written against a fallen empire by it's haters.
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>>537037063wouldnt the rich successful person end up the same but incharge of the state?
>>537038735Carl Menger, and pretty much any subsequent economist.modern academic institutions do not teach the LTV as a serious or valid approach. The only mention you may hear of the LTV is in first year microeconomics classes as an example of obsolete value theories.>>537038854no. It's just a confirmation that labor can have value, not that value is determined by labor.
Capitalism failed.Simple as.It failed under conservatives for profit seeking.
>>537038813>You would have to be completely braindead to think your personal time to labor has anything to do with actual value to anyone else.i can agree that if you spend 100 hours making a useless object (on your own time) then it shouldn't be magically worth money simply because you worked on it. but i CANNOT agree that the labor you provide to a company should be worth a "market rate" when you (and every other laborer) are solely responsible for that company's success.
>>537038735Anyone with a brain.Take a bottle of wine. Let it age for a century. People are willing to pay more for it than if it aged for a decade. No extra labour was involved; it aged through natural processes. And yet people will pay more for it. Clearly, its value is subjective, not based on the amount of labour that went into it, thus the Subjective Theory of Value (people pay what they think a thing is worth based on their own personal evaluation of it) is correct and the Labour Theory of Value is incorrect.
>>537039042Capitalists and conservatives work backwards. They start with someone with a lot of money, consider him a gold person and then try to imitate it.Alot like the African plane tribes who build fake planes. The right wing doesn't understand much, if anything, and their entire existence is voodoo, mythos, and rumors like a voodoo nigger in New Orleans.
>>537038948>no famines were caused by them. China had their own thing with Mao,Nigger he was THE advisor who laid out the 4 pests plan (the architect of the Chinese famine).
>>537039202see >>537039103
>>537039092Fake. It is stakeholder capitalism, which is neo-Marxist with its DEI and ESG scores. Fuck off.
>>537037063>"your" moneyall money is public. all money has been obtained at the behest and expense of the public. all business has been subsidized by the public.
>>537039202The labor was the wine making and keeping the cellar and wine checked as it ages, along with adjustment/stabilized humidity and temperature. You don't just throw a bottle of wine into your basement.You should use a example you understand. But there isn't one. Everything in this world has labor attached that was undervalued.Why should the person who harvested the grapes not just age it themselves if there is no input? You provide no value in this process even with your example.
>>537039254>>ITS NOT REAL CAPITLISM!Rofl. Brother. Its working perfectly.
>>537039222not true, check your sources. Lysenko already destroyed his credibility before Stalin died and after Stalin's death didn't have any influence. Mao shit happened after 1958, by then Lysenko was a joke.
>>537037063Their alcoholic mothers slam dunked them on their heads when babies
>>537039203nice to see there's a character limit to keep you from repeating yourself ad nauseam
one has a hard time believing that the flat earthers on /pol/ are actually serious. but then you see people actually thinking that the labor theory of value is valid...so this level of stupidity is genuine after all.
>>537039379>Mao shit happened after 1958, by then Lysenko was a joke.Lysenko wasn't removed until 1965, criticism of him was literally illegal until 1963. His crackpot theories were literally cited by the Chinese in their pest eradication scheme.
>>537037063I dont buy this rhetoric any more. Inflation has made my hard work and ethic meaningless. Not only do I need to work 3 jobs but the economy has ensured I cant pay a floor staff a fair wage. The social contract is broken. The eating of the rich will commence.
>>537037482China has no welfare State, no public healthcare, no pensions for the disabled or retired, etc. China's capitalism is way more brutal than Western "free" market.
>>537039490>reaction imagenewfag
>>537039574Had no, they have all those now and it's part of why they had a huge splurge of public debt.
>>537039509again you know nothing, do research. You are just trying to prove a point and that is annoying cause it feels like im arguing with a stupid woman. After Stalin's death, Khruschev fucked with everything Stalin done. One of the things was Lysenko. He never held real positions of power, after Stalin's death lost any influence. I asked Claude why Mao was recognizing Lysenko because that's idiotic and Claude said that it was because it was of soviet sino split and Mao thinking that ussr abandoning Lysenko was anti-communist.
>>537039394>>I have no argument but I must seethe.The movieThe gameLol
>>537039902This meme falls apart if the man says he bought the land.
>>537039804>I asked Claude why Mao was recognizing Lysenko because that's idiotic and Claude said that it was because it was of soviet sino split and Mao thinking that ussr abandoning Lysenko was anti-communist.Do I actually need to explain to you that that's in support of my argument? And Lysenko was the director of the Institute of Genetics at the Academy of Sciences. That was the legal authority on genetics in the USSR.
>>537039754Ghould said it best. I can hire one half to kill the other half.Israel hired the right. College kids are Hamas unless they support Israel.
>>537039754kek. Based.
>>537039804if youre ideology requires benevolent dictators to survive its fucking trash.
>>537039060So your argument is that if you can find another input that even accounts for 0.001% of the value, value being tied to labour is false? As an aside, have you ever formally had your IQ tested? I've found it helps in situations such as yours.
>>537039754keeeek
>>537039060see >>537039103
>>537039998...Nor is it even addressing the fact that allowing an actual retard to dictate governmental policy for 40ish years is a conclusive argument against the state being a meritocracy.
>>537039977The man he bought it from stole it. Humans dont just materialize owning land. Private ownership is a relatively new thing.Go read about the morale economy of feudalism, even then private land ownership was "iffy".Try to hunt on someone's land today. LolYou are not a very smart person>>Man steals ice cream from child>>Man sells ice cream to man 2ER MM WELL ACTUALLY MAN 2 BOUGHT IT!Think for 5 minutes.You are perpetually tricked.
>>537040025>So your argument is that if you can find another input that even accounts for 0.001% of the value, value being tied to labour is false?But value is subjective, branding for instance accounts for a fuckload more value than man hours (despite often providing no utilitarian value).
>>537039987it's not in support of your argument, its in support of my statement that Mao was an idiot. Says nothing else. Lysenko was already discredited and didn't held influence. Being head of academics means nothing when actual agriculture shifted from his theories. >>537039998while Stalin was a horrible leader, i would rather have Stalin than Trump, lol
>>537040165Tactical nihilism, very cool, yes indeed, everything IS subjective. Nothing can be known, and you've won the conversation AGAIN. Give yourself a gold star sticker.
>>537040120>The man he bought if from stole it What if he bought it from a native? >Private ownership is a relative new thing I can guarantee that you couldn't just walk into someone's house 3000 years ago without them trying to kick you out for trespassing. A lot of people owned their homes. >Rules about land ownership changed so that means the concept of ownership is iffy No it just means they allowed different rights then then they do now. They all agreed it was the guys land. >He stole it You keep assuming theft occurred without actually proving it. He could have legitimately bought the land.
Who ever did this is a Leftist in denial.Just draw that: https://ghoffarth.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/socialism-cartoon.jpg
>>537040335>it's not in support of your argument,When was the Sino-Soviet split?
>>537040364>Tactical nihilismNo? It's not nihilism, it's defined phenomenon. People attribute a lot more value to branded items than unbranded. It can make them foolish consumers, but it absolutely contests the labour theory of value.
"I want to help the poor""Well, start your own business"What a dumb fucking response.Comics really are the perfect way to make your "point". You can just set up any imaginary argument with the perfect dumbshit rebuttal, and then all the retards will lap it up and make their own opinions on this non-existent scenario.
>>537040979I don't give a fuck what you and every other leftist bastard in the West who worships Communist China has to say. Like most Westerners, you're nothing more than a dirty, self-hating, nigger-loving anti-white leftist faggot who does nothing when young girls are groomed and children are surrounded by packs of blacks and browns and attacked. Islam is your moral compass. Go fuck yourself asshole, then go fuck yourself more, you vile kike piece of shit.
>>537037143You can achieve great feats with slaves in the short termand then your civilization collapses, just like Russia has collapsed at least 3 times since the USSR was made and continues to be the worst place in 'europe' if you can even call it part of Europe
>>537041006yo it's the schizo "thus to all leftists" singapore schizo, i thought you killed yourself by now (you should btw)
>>537041006The bots really are getting intense nowadays. Not a good look for the future. Yeesh.
>>537040090your argument is part circular reasoning and part "I don't like it therefore it's wrong".>>537040025>input that accounts for x% of valueno. not what I said.>value being tied to laboryou can surely show a correlation between the market price of something and the man hours of labor, but to say that this shows that labor determine value is getting it backward.labor has value. the outcome has value, so the more value that outcome has, the more youll be willing to spend to achieve it (resources, labor, etc) but the the valuation is still always subjective>IQ testedyes I have.>situations such as yoursyou'd shoot your testicles to have it half as good as I do.
>>537037063>>537037143Modern commies are just as retarded as those before 20th centuryThere were no commies in space, only socialists>Why? Socialists are the same as commiesNo they're not, socialists have money and at least try to exchange shitMeme right here is a truth nuke that perfectly explains why not a single commie state is alive todayEven China isn't communist, and rather a socialist technocracy
>>537041306>your argument is part circular reasoning and part "I don't like it therefore it's wrong".can you explain how? my argument hinges on the fact that workers has the ultimate say, and the ultimate power. they are currently not aware of this, but they have it. unions work, strikes work, and there is a reason corporations spend billions to prevent their workers from unionizing.
>>537041488>my argument hinges on the fact that workers has the ultimate say, and the ultimate powerWhich is an emotional argument as the consumer is not obliged to buy from them.
>>537041205Shut the fuck up you nigger loving banana and rice eating kike. Your smoldering crater shithole is ground zero for the type of sodomite globalist mindvirus that has plagued the entirety of western civilization. The only thing you and every son of a bitch posting here under the US flag knows how to do, is kneel to blacks and worship transsexuals, fucking faggot. I can smell the cock on your breath from here. You received your education from a Quality Learing Center. You believe that men can give birth. Anyone competent at your workplace has been replaced by a DEI hire. Go kneel to George Floyd, get shot by ICE and set yourself on fire for Palestine
>>537041862>singapore schizodidn't read your post but stop spamming that video of that guy getting killed, everyone hates you, kill yourself instead
>>537041790>Which is an emotional argument as the consumer is not obliged to buy from them.explain what you mean.
>>537037766Misconceptions, the average man knows very little about China, Iran or any other place. But those things are not communism
>>537039103Market rate is the value from the people actually buying crap nobody cares about labor at all bevause it is irrelevant to people.
>>537037766Chinese govt and business works like a large cartel. Almost every company in china is propped up by state which explains why their exports are infamously poor quality yet cheap, because they can just undercut their own people and its not like you get a choice in china unless you can work in Hong Kong
>>537037143the commies started it to prove their superiority and despite the headstart still lost
>>537037143>they were the first to go to spaceThat dog was smarter than most of the rest who followed
>>537042819>Market rate is the value from the people actually buying crap nobody cares about labor at all bevause it is irrelevant to people.this economist dogma
>>537037482Move to China and live there for one year, traveling the country, then come back and tell us how well it's working.
>>537042873Yeah spot on, and they can shelter them from IP theft lawsuits yet still get their products out overseas (Huawei).
>>537039103>when you (and every other laborer) are solely responsible for that company's success.If that actually was the case, the laborers should be able to produce the goods without anything other than their labour. Go ahead and try that and see what the first hurdle is
>>537042515Exactly as I said, it's not a mystery. The consumer's opinion matters far more than the workers, the worker does not get ultimate say.
>>537043312your argument is>the owners DESERVE 100x the salary of their lowest-paid-employee because they are the only ones smart enough to can organize laboreres in the exact position/direction to produce that outputare you a capital owner? are you arguing for your own position, or against it? what factory/company do you own?
