Why were southern whites so poor yet so eager to defend the right for plantation owners to have unlimited access to free labor?
>>537258232/pol/ is a bunch of fake crusaders who regularly jackoff and scream that everyone is a pedo to deal with postnut clarity./a/ is a bunch of perverts who are still pretending anime isn't popular and they are edgy./fit/ is full of wannabe instagram fitness influencers who can't ohp 225 and are fat./x/ is full of people who think they have psychic powers./g/ is full of millennials who used to fix grandma's computer and now think they are nsa digital counter intelligence officers./v/ is full of people who suck at games yet their main hobby is gaming; basically a lamer version of squidward./biz/ is full of jeets and stay at home sons who get wiped regularly but think they are investment bankers./lit/ is pretty representative of the real world because all literature and english majors are useless psuedointellectual faggots.The only places here that are normal are places like /an/, and even it has a resident schizo troll.This may sound harsh but I think everyone here, including myself, should just die.We are going to end up like qanon boomers and still be larping in our 70s.
the average poor youre talking about has at least 20 iq points on you
>>537258349Northerners used to call them clay eaters because they literally ate dirt
>>537258232Sorry trannybut defending the jews right to own slaves is based and redpilled
>>537258429How brown are you that this makes sense
>>537258544Hello mosheIsraels days are numbered
>>537258232Poor?
>>537258634How were 92% of slaveowners Jews while simultaneously Jews were .1% of the population which is how you get the figure that 40% of Jews were slaveowners (sampling bias)? Fucking nigger
>>537258718How did 6,000,000 Jews die in the Holocaust while simultaneously being .1% of the population?
>>537258816They stopped teaching their language and said they didn't exist anymore
>>537258718Never heard of middle men? The jews owned over 94% of all slaves, slavery was 100% jewish.And Americans went to war against their white brothers to defend the jews right to own slavesAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
>>537259004I mean theoretically you could say Jews were at the top end of financing the slave trade but you retards never looked that far did you? A few ships
>>537258232WEAK ASS BAIT KYS OP
>>537258232>Why were southern whites so poor yet so eager to defend the right for plantation owners to have unlimited access to free labor?It's in their blood to be cucks. Even now, poor Southerners defend Elon Musk and Trump plundering the economy.
>>537259053Jew control everything.And Americans were ready to go to war and die to defend their jewish masters right to own slaves
>>537259004Northern kikes waged war on the south so they could buy up the farms for pennies on the dollar
>>537259209Go back to your country subhuman
>>537259053Jews and Anglos owned plenty of plantations.>As the small farmer, after the day's work was over, sat before his cottage smoking his long clay pipe, he could reflect that for him the country had fulfilled its promise. The land around him was his own; his tobacco brought in enough for him to purchase clothes, farm implements, and household goods.But he frowned as he thought of the slave ship which had come into the nearby river, and landed a group of Negroes who were all bought by his wealthy neighbors. If Virginia were flooded with slaves, would it not cheapen production[iii] and lower the price of tobacco? Could he and his sons, when they hoed their fields with their own hands, compete with slave labor?
>>537259209Bro it's okay to give some blame to the Perfidious Albion as well they are just as bad
>>537259312Who was giving away slaves for free in Virginia again I forgot
>>537258232>the civil war was about slaveryAnd the war in Iraq was about fighting terrorism.
>>537258232They weren't? Sherman's march to the sea is the reason the South was economically devastated.
Nationalism. Southern rich elites promoted southern nationalism and accentuated cultural differences from the rest of the country why they should be independent. And once the war started those rich people screamed "invasion!" And a lot of poor uneducated farmers were angry about their home state being invaded they joined the local militia or confederate army. >source: ancestors fought in the civil war.
>>537258232It's because slavery back then meant economic prosperity and independence for states and the people in them which allowed for a greater level of sovereignty within the Union instead of becoming economically subservient to the North. People today like to idealize everything about conflicts, and so the South fighting for slavery becomes this ahistorical abstraction where the South just fought for slavery because they just wanted to mistreat Black people so much. Slavery was unfortunately a symbol of the independence of the Southern states in the union because it offered them a means to rival the Northern states that didn't involve sacrificing the agrarian society they cherished. On one hand poorer Whites obviously had less to profit off of the war, but I think it just shows that they had their own sense of pride towards the region/state they would each view as home.
>>537258232southerns like being poor and oppressed so long as there is someone else even poorer and more oppressed. it's weird and inhuman but there it is
>>537258331>/pol/ is a bunch of fake crusaders who regularly jackoff and scream that everyone is a pedo to deal with postnut clarity.This is accurate. I regularly jerk off in lingerie and with dildos watching tranny porn (younger the better), imagining myself as a pretty girl. I edge for hours to this shit, and then I finally finish and rage post about degeneracy and crusading and hanging commies and killing trannies. Then, inevitably, I'll jerk off again. I think I just need to take her to chill the fuck out. I don't see myself becoming a commie or a card carrying lgbt faggot, but maybe some female hormones and a smaller dick and cute titties will help me to relax a little. Idk
>>537258232If some historical event doesn't make sense to you, check your premises. It is very possible that your information is incomplete.
>>537258232Because they are based. Any answer other than this is retarded and unrealistic
>>537259413Yeah, no shit. Abe Lincoln didn't even like blacks all of that much. He didn't even want to give them voting rights and just ship them back to Africa. Lincoln fought the Confederates because it was his duty to keep the union together.
>>537259374The slavery question was fundamental in whether manifest destiny would happen or not
>>537258232Why didn't plantation owners just enslave the poor whites instead of cursing the land forever with the presence of gross savages?
>>537259659The constitution gave southern whites legal status unfortunately
>>537259715Why didn't they just use prison labor then like we did in Soviet times?
>>537259659>Why didn't plantation owners just enslave the poor whites instead of cursing the land forever with the presence of gross savages?They did do that. It was called indentured servitude. The rich plantation owners paid for the passage for poorfags to come to the new world, in exchange, the indentured servants worked for some time. That went away though when they realized they could just get niggers from Africa instead permanently.
>>537259659They did? Look up share cropping. It was a near inescapable cycle of debt where you allow people to farm your land, rent the equipment needed and buy seeds on loans. Basically you own nothing and are happy. At the harvest time if anything goes wrong at all, even if it's not your fault, you're rolling debt forward to the next planting season. And so on. And so on. People were working full time in backbreaking labor and were making negative money in the long run. But it wasn't slavery, technically, so it continued after the civil war. Trapping rural poor people in debt cycles. This continued until WW2 when the war mobilized a lot of people to factories and then after the war people tended to stay where real jobs were
Why do Republicans vote to build data centers in their back yard?
>>537259746I don't think you realize how efficient chattel slavery is. Niggers were bred to be farm equipment no different than a work horse
>>537259858Poor whites were also hired for dangerous jobs that the plantation owners didn't want their expensive slaves to be doing since they wouldn't lose any investment if they died
>>537259659>Thus the so-called servants who had completed their terms and men who had come over as freemen found it easy to earn enough to buy small plantations of their own. That thousands did so is shown by the Rent Roll which is published as an appendix to this book. One has only to glance at it to see that the large plantations are vastly outnumbered by the small farms of the yeomen. It proves that Virginia at the beginning of the eighteenth century was not the land of huge estates, worked by servants and slaves, but of a numerous, prosperous middle class.Owning plantations of from fifty to five hundred acres, cultivating their fields of tobacco, their patches of Indian corn and wheat, their vegetable gardens and orchards with their own labor or the labor of their sons, the yeomen enjoyed a sense of independence and dignity. It was their votes which determined the character of the Assembly, it was they who resisted most strongly all assaults upon the liberties of the people.The colonists were REALLY REALLY rich legitimately. People became poor once the Industrial Revolution happened with a flood of immigrants. That's why the Constitution today is retarded because in the 1700's, even the "poorest" person has acres of land and could support 15 kids if they wanted to.
>>537259565Lincoln was a railroad lobbyist and the transcontinental railroad was one of the largest cases of fraud ever, basically a con artist like most politicians
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>>537258331The pedo panic is very weird. Seemingly everywhere you go, not just /pol/, everyone is calling everyone they dislike a pedo non-stop. Must be what peak Red Scare was like.
>>537258232>We should give niggers freedom and equal rightsYou both suck.
>>537258232https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drTtr_3tNX0
>>537258232If your country is invaded, you'll want to fight. Makes no difference if you like or dislike the government and elites.
>>537260382Northerners were much more opposed to niggers actually being here overall. The confederates literally wanted to flood niggers across the entire western half of the continent during manifest destiny
>>537260478Battle of the nigger lovers. Nobody wins
>>537260478It was more like:>We think blacks are inferior and stupid, but we don't think they should be mistreated or harmed. They just need to go back to Africa.
>>537260478Also, a large part of the whole Lincoln promising slaves freedom is because it was to act as a weapon so that the slaves would uprise
>>537260745It was a problem he was dealing with that had no compromise free solution unfortunately but something had to be done about the anglo slave economy before the entire continent had more niggers than Africa
>>537259869Yeah, but sharecropping effected blacks too. In fact, the KKK started was because poor white southerners got pissed off at the blacks stealing all of the jobs (because they were now free and often skilled from plantation work) instead of getting pissed off at the rich whites and (((whites)))) exploiting both of them.Colonization overall was pretty kiked even if Jews weren't technically involved. But Jews DID fuck over Native Americans a lot.
>>537260931You're really bad at larping, who are you? Some commie Jew
I don't know why the role of southern nationalism is so ignored as a cause of the civil war. Listen to the lyrics of the Bonnie blue flag or read primary historical documents and you'll literally see southerners portray themselves as a distinct group of people and over again.
>>537261038>Some commie JewExcept Jews actually despise communism. That's why they created psyops against it.
>>537261343They only despise it in societies where they don't already have wealth consolidation. They loved it in Russia because Germans were the aristocracy back then
>>537261266All wars are about nationalism that's implied. But the slave trade economy was the basis of their national sovereignty which created the pre-conditions for a war
>>537259400>"rich elites"You can just say jews here, this is not leddit
>>537258331Bruh I've lifted for like 20 years and still can't ohp 225. I can bench 335, Push Press 235, c&j 225, Hip thrust 500 for reps, Weighted chin ups with 45# for 10 reps.. 225 Ohp is elite shit don't even pretend any natties on this site that aren't 275+ lbs can do that.
>>537261343>Jews didn't like communism that much actually when it was establishedSurely there's nothing else to clean from this
>>537259004>Never heard of middle men?And those have to be pardoned?90% of dirty zog work from carrying out 9/11 to mass shooting are done by middle men. There is no line between Jews and Whites unless we see dead jews every day.
>>537261909>I can't ohp 225That's because, like I said the last time I went to your shit board, you need more mid upper trap development to stabilize the movement.Everybody their called me a dipshit and then suggested that volume at lighter weight would get you there (completely fucking wrong)I peaked at 305 ohp and 345 high pull btw.And I have never taken any gear (or fake gear).
>>537258232Sex with mahiro
>>537258232Poor people tend to defend the status quo because unlike middle class people they don't possess the financial cushioning to survive upheaval.
>>537258331>/pol/ is a bunch of fake crusaders who regularly jackoff and scream that everyone is a pedo to deal with postnut clarity.nah it's mostly shills and some retarded shizos here and there. Most posters i assume are browns>/a/ is a bunch of perverts who are still pretending anime isn't popular and they are edgy.perverts true, also edgy but nobody is pretending that anime isn't mainstream. They instead spend more time hating on popular anime than liking anything.>/fit/ is full of wannabe instagram fitness influencers who can't ohp 225 and are fat.this, but it's mostly homosexuals jacking off to pics of other dudes and some program/supplement shills>/x/ is full of people who think they have psychic powers.also shizos and retards who want to summon succubuss gf>/g/ is full of millennials who used to fix grandma's computer and now think they are nsa digital counter intelligence officers.it's mostly tech illiterate jeet vibecoders and ai shillbots nowadays>/v/ is full of people who suck at games yet their main hobby is gaming; basically a lamer version of squidward.true but also shills>/biz/ is full of jeets and stay at home sons who get wiped regularly but think they are investment bankers./biz/ is filled with utter retards who fell for every crypto scam out there and also shillbots shilling their scamcoins>/lit/ is pretty representative of the real world because all literature and english majors are useless psuedointellectual faggots.true
>>537258232brainwashed, 19th century equivalent to Trump supporters
>>537258232They weren't. The North was a completely dysfunctional socuety, where people worked a lot for little gain. The whole point of the war was that they were mad that the South sold cotton to England, and wanted to impose tariffs that would force the South to export to the North instead.
>>537262889The reason for the war was to decide if niggers would be flooded west of the Mississippi
>>537261741Slavery issue didn't cause the war. Not on its own. The vast majority of countries did away with slavery without even contemplating a civil war. The fuel for a civil war was everywhere. The slavery issue lit a match.
>>537263064The Missouri compromise was entirely about expanding slavery across the continent and delayed the war by 40 years
>>537258429Oh so now Chuds aren't racist any more because they found out all their "white supremacy" nonsense was really jews the whole time kek.
>>537263189I don't disagree necessarily, although I tend to believe the fugitive slave act of 1850 destabilized the country by compelling abolitionist areas to participate in slavery by returning slaves
>>537263039It doesn't seem like anybidy cared about black people, as they were oppressed for a century after the war. It really seems that the South wanted to keep their European way if life, while the North fought because its economy didn't work.
>>537258645I think that's a movie
>>537264466What exactly is it about a slave labor economy that enables a "European" way of life? Anglos in England didn't live like southern whites did
>>537258232Basically it was because the yankees were trying to foment a violent nigger uprising to cripple the South. This is why the Civil War is sometimes called "The War of Northern Aggression." The South was becoming more economically and culturally prominent as a result of the Louisiana Purchase and the cotton trade with Europe, so New England elites used schizo abolitionists (the libtards of their day) to ignite a race war. The North outlawed slavery in their states, sold their slaves to the South for a profit, then tried to ban slavery for the entire country so the South would be economically destitute and full of free niggers who would inevitably rape and kill the Southern whites.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLdyMPptl6Q&vl=en>>537259565>Abe Lincoln didn't even like blacks all of that much. He didn't even want to give them voting rights and just ship them back to Africa.This is ahistorical cope. Lincoln's views evolved over time, and he completely abandoned the idea of sending blacks back to Africa fairly early in his term. He became a huge fan of Frederick Douglass, and advocated for black citizenship and suffrage in his final public address in Washington D.C. (John Wilkes Booth was in attendance and ultimately resolved to assassinate the President because of this). The only people who actually made a serious effort to repatriate blacks to Africa were the American Colonization Society, which was mostly comprised of wealthy Southerners.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society>>537264466>It doesn't seem like anybidy cared about black people, as they were oppressed for a century after the war.Blacks were not oppressed after the war. Disallowing blacks into privately-owned white spaces is not "oppression." Oppressed people don't want to move into closer proximity to their oppressors. Only thieves and predators do that.
>>537264608The Southern culture was pretty much the same as prewar Europe. Both were destroyed in waslr, The South in the civil war, Europe in WW1.
>>537258232>so poor yet so eager to defend the rightThey are temporarily embarrassed billionaires, waiting to win the lottery and take their rightful place at the table.In the mean time, they are simply defending their future privileges.It all makes sense to them.
>>537264608The majority of southerners didn't own any slaves. Some had 1 or 2. Very few had big plantations. People have a warped sense of history where rich plantation owners are portrayed as common, when they were so rare as to be on a first name basis with state politicians. Much like major local business owners today.
>>537258232abolishment of non-whites were corrupt traitors + kikes trying to one-up each other. Setting up the start of Clown World.Some may say it had come around when christcuck spread and decay the roman empire.
>>537258232Access to information and literature was gatekept by region back then. In the north, abolitionists were speaking in the streets like rambling prophets going all the way back to the late 1780s and they had pamphlets passed around the northeast which ultimately shifted the culture towards abolitionists. In the south they did not have that. So basically what happened is all the poors in the north hitched to the anti slavery movement because it became cool to watch abolitionists rant and rave for hours (even if you could not read you could hear them readers speak and this is how many people learned the news and listened to opinion columns)in the south they did not have that, so they never changed
>>537266848I understand that but when the capital holders have access to unlimited free labor it creates an entirely different economic reality for them
