Can anybody LOGICALLY explain why children born to parents here illegally have a right to US citizenship?Prev >>538113227
>>538124201Because without that genociding the white race via mass illegal immigration won't work.
The United States Constitutions says they have citizenship and the highest court in the United States reiterated that today
You can expand your influence if kids born in the US to illegals are americanized and are 100% integrated as americans.Mexico does the same thing, they claim all US born children of mexican parents are mexican citizens by birthright, not because they want to repatriate them but to expand mexican influence in the diaspora.Also, good luck deporting 25% of the working age population, i'm sure boomers will love having to take social security cuts along with their stock portfolio melting down when the US economy shrinks by 25%.
>>538124201an act of Congress can get it fixed but whether that will happen is anyone's guess (probably not knowing our Congress - too busy with insider trading to vote on bullshit)
>>538124201because thats what the constitution says
>>538124201Because of niggersSeriously. Go look it up. After slavery, the USA had to decide what we should do with imported niggers. They landed on a combination of "naturalization" + birthright citizenship. Niggers are the sole reason this country is complete ass. They are a cursed race - just look at every country that has a >10% nigger populous.
>>538124347kalergi stooge take
>>538124201Because it makes replacing whites easier. :^)
>>538124201How can they be a mexican if they have never been to mexico?
>>538124201>Can anybody LOGICALLY explain why children born to parents here illegally have a right to US citizenship?Because you haven't killed them, yet
>>538124524Why does a chink born in africa have slit eyes?
>>538124201'tution
Because if your born on a piece of the earth that you are from there, that shrimple sorry you need mental gymnastics and fake shit to deny reality so hard like a tranny.
>>538124423Niggers are devastating to a civilization, but I'd argue Jews and Indians are far worse
Because it makes miggers seethe. That alone is enough for me and most Americans to support this decision.
>>538124201if i can't marry a 12 year old white boy that's my soul mate then spics can't have citizenship in my country... souls are souls... why are the restricted to age ranges?
You lost, klanny
YOU LQST MIGACVCKDIVERSITY VVQNMELTINGPQT VVQNCOPE, CRY, SHIT YOURSELF AMERICA STARTS NOW
>>538124201They can stay, but the parents go. No more anchor babies. If you want to see your kid, sucks to suck. Then, we change their name, scrub any records, and use them for labor as we see fit.
>>538124201No. The only people who support it dont really support it they support the outcome of it. They want to replace Americans with a more supplicant people.
>>538124312It doesn’t say it, the court just didnt have balls big enough to fix something broken for this long
>>538124201because the US constitution says so
>>538124312letting women vote is fucking retarded
>>538125975> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.It’s plain and simple.
>>538124305You're so fucking retarded, ghe goal isn't hhe genoice of Whites, that is simply a consequence. They want power. More people ALWAYS equals more money, they've imported 100 million since 1965 and for that ENTIRE time they profited, it NEVER cost them.You are not special, they dont think about you or whites, they think about power, they dont give a FUCK who their subjects are as long as they have total power over them.
>>538124347>they claim all US born children of mexican parentsEven Mexico demands Jurisdiction over its foreign-born citizens.See copy and send First Draft of ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT of John Glover Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice of the United States, and four concurring Associate Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, in maintenance and support of their impeachment for High Crimes and Misdemeanors, specifically the bad behavior of fabricating jurisprudential facts, usurping the foreign affairs powers of the President, and striking a course for nuclear war.Exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of Americahttps://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538125975You can keep going “REEEEEEEE” and it won’t change anything. You just don’t have a capacity to understand what it takes to build an economy in a first world country. That’s because you don’t have a job, 401k, or pay rent.
>>538124201If land dictates citizenship rather than people I think the constitution is completely irrelevant.
Keep coping you stupid migger. Learn to realize you're being farmed for your energy and they weren't gonna do shit from the very start.
>>538126334Right, which is why they're doing it in every single European nation too. Nobody buys your bullshit, kike rodent filth. Your people literally admit that they're doing it to ethnically cleanse whites.
>>538124416>because thats what the constitution saysNo. The US Constitution/Fourteeth Amendment does not compel the birth of any alien-parented persons within the United States, much less compel that such persons born are "born ... subject to the jurisdiction". The Lying Chief Justice and concurring Justices did unlawfully abuse their positions to manufacture a direct threat to the national security of the United States, charting a judicial course toward open warfare with nuclear-armed foreign powers.https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538124201I'm not being hyperbolic or silly for (Yous), this country is finished. Because Barrett couldn't bare to see black kids cry, this country today is murdered. Now there is no concept of foreigner. India is actually just 1.4 Billion undocumented Americans. Sam with China, and Pakistan, and all of fucking Africa. I any anons have the ability to leave, I would do so within the next 5-8 years. It's going to get so bad and WHEN not if a dem wins and fully opens the border, it will look like Mogadishu even in the whitest parts of this once great nation. If you can't leave, stockpile guns, ammo, food, and any medicines you will need. Train like your life depends on it, because it will. Christ bless fellow anons. God speed.
>>538126255Foreigners are not US subjects.
>>538124201Our country now gringoyim
>>538126520Yet US subjects are apparently foreigners. (And I mean the citizens of the country in question are literally less equal than the people who violate the law)
>>538124524>How can they be a mexican if they have never been to mexico?Most nations do not determine citizenship solely by where a person is physically born (jus soli or "right of the soil")[1]. Instead, the vast majority of countries in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Americas primarily use jus sanguinis ("right of blood")[2][3].Under a jus sanguinis system, citizenship is a hereditary legal status passed from parent to child[2][4]. Because of this:A child born in the United States to a French parent is French.A child born in the United States to an Italian parent is Italian.A child born in the United States to a Mexican parent is Mexican: https://ecnl.org/sites/default/files/files/2021/MexicoConstitution.pdfAnd, see Articles of Impeachment of Chief Judge Robertshttps://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538126520If you're in the United States you are under its jurisdiction. That's it. So if you're 1. born or naturalized AND 2. subject to the jurisdiction thereof... They're citizens.>t. Lawfag
>>538126715So why add the clause
>>538125171>use them for labor as we see fit.Correct. United States can extradite from China, or send in Seal Team Six to extract, the children of Chinese Tourists or Olympic Athletes born in the United States, and conscript them into US Military Service (against China) or in US Olympic Team (against China). https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538126715they do not deserve tax payer benefits or federal loans, they should join the army before bringing their spic family here
>>538126157Okay so I'm going to traffick 50 Africans to my house as labor. The fuck is the government going to do they're scared
>>538126802Idk faggot why even have a Constitution? What a stupid comment
>>538126520Children born to foreigners are not foreigners
>>538126829Write a letter to Congress
>>538125929>They want to replace Americans with Chinese Communists raised and indoctrinated in China to hate and subert USA while holding Office as Citizen, Senator, Congressman or President.https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538126853>Idk faggotTop mind.
>>538124312No, The Constitution does not say that.The Bill of Rights was only the first ten amendments.>Amendments.And anyway, everything since TONA was memoryholed has been pure shit.
>>538124201They don't. The "Under the jurisdiction of the US" is just conveniently ignored. It wouldn't be there if it didn't have some meaning. Aside from being a citizen of some other country, it really has no other implication to being not under US jurisdiction. The obvious intent is to mean people who are citizens or otherwise beholden to some other country. This will be clarified via congress at some point. Nobody (not even trannies) thinks Russians should just be able to drop by and have a US baby whenever they want.
>>538126715It literally should be 3 categories. Born in borders, subject, born to two citizens. Simple as. Literal ground does not imbue the very government that sustains it, it’s completely people driven as for the reason the government exists to begin with. If a state must exist in order to preserve God given rights, the legal status of parents being citizens is paramount. Otherwise, none of this means anything. It’s just magic lines on a map pretending it has the power to make you a human being.
>>538126490Nice cut and paste.
Oh boy here comes the next wave of pajeets
>>538126927Wow you really got me there! I guess I'll just ignore the Constitution!
Because they were born in the USA, thats it. Get over it.
>>538124423“I know the law better than the right wing dominated Supreme Court”
>>538126255>born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,The provision does not mandate that persons are born, much less that they were "born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." This provision was included in the Fourteenth Amendment to ensure that blacks freed from slavery could be Taxed as "citizens" wherever they went in the world, and compelled (as "citizens") to serve in the United States Army, highway corps, agricultural corps, as needed. The provision enacted in 1868 burdened the 4 million blacks who were previously born as "subjects" in the 1830s, 1840s, and 1850s, and 1860s, long before the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified. So, the Fourteenth Amendment itself has no control whatsoever which aliens was or will be born as subjects of the United States. No Mandatory Language: The Amendment does not contain mandatory or prospective directives regarding birth itself. It does not dictate that any particular class of persons shall be born, nor does it mandate that those who are born to non-citizens must be born subject to U.S. jurisdiction. The Citizenship Clause’s principal author would explain that its languagewas “simply declaratory of . . . the law of the land already” which in his own time never purported tp mandate that the Sovereign must assert its Jus Soil Territorial Jurisdiction over an alien, much less that alien's offfspring. Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., at 2890 (Sen. Howard).
>>538124201because thats whats the retards who wrote a poorly worded 14A put down a piece of paper, despite them knowing and commenting on the possibility of it being abused by foreigners they neglected to write that part down in the amendmentwhoops!
>>538126373Interesting thought.But yes, it's been over since 1911, and then done since 1913.Enjoy the ride.
>>538127134This. Hey OP, why are you a citizen?
>>538127042When you think of the constitution do you think of the context and time period each part was written? Because that drastically changes the interpretation. Only through "living document" Jewish ignorance could you even begin to advocate for open borders
So many 1PBTID are here not to having discourse or even convince anons to support birthright citizenship. They are just here to start shit.>>538124201The amendment was passed as a loophole to give ex slaves citizenship. The plan was after making them citizens, they would vote in republican governments out of gratitude. This was combined with stripping ex confederates from voting to ensure republicans would control southern governments in perpetuity.
>>538126927Yet here you are asking for basic civics to be explained to you on /pol/, because you didn't pay attention in school
>>538127143"Hey ChatGPT, write an argument against birthright citizenship"Idiot. Statutory construction demands that obvious words be given their meaning. All the shit GPT brought up is context, not law.ChatGPT is a shite lawyer, but it looks like a good one to the uneducated
>>538126715>If you're in the United States you are under its jurisdiction."Lawfag" - LIAR. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.mdThe respondents completely ignored the statutory precedent of the International Organizations Immunities Act (IOIA) (22 U.S.C. § 288 et seq.), which proves that the political branches have the power to create statuses of non-jurisdiction for foreign nationals. In the absence of a explicit statute to the contrary, the President possesses the independent constitutional authority under Article II to diplomatically grant an express waiver of jus soli jurisdiction over an alien child at the moment of birth.
>>538127208>>538127309>Statutory construction demands that obvious words be given their meaningContext is not law. The Constitution is law. Your shit is just political history. Lrn2law
>>538127135
>>538126802>So why add the clauseDiplomats are not under the jurisdiction of the USUltimately this seethe is pretty funny. Even excluding Mexicans and the slave trade, the US is like 90% immigrants. Who the fuck would "true" US citizens be assuming this clause is retroactively revoked and we follow its natural conclusion? The direct ancestors of the people who lived in the US before the constitution was made?
>>538124423Those fucking dumbasses should’ve put an expiration date on that amendment.
>>538126983>The obvious intent is to mean people who are citizens or otherwise beholden to some other countryCorrect. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md And, the foreign sovereign very clearly will have motive for wishing such exemption of its natural-born subjects to any tax liability to the United States, and to future extradition and compulsory military service in the US Military (potentially taking up arms against such foreign sovereign!)The same groups included (and excluded) by [implied exemptions of] jus soli ... were the children of foreign ministers and members of 19thcentury Indian tribes over whom the United States hadceded a part of its territorial jurisdiction to preserve its relationship with a foreign sovereign (or quasi-sovereign)."The United States Court can not, by virtue of the Fourtheenth Amendment itself, compel any alien persons to give live birth within the Territory of the United States (versus abortion, or infanticidebefore complete emergence from the mother, or self-deportation). Nor can United States Courts, by virtue of the Fourtheenth Amendment itself, compel the Sovereign to refrain from explicitly and temporarily waiving its proprietary Jus Soli/ Jurisidiction over undomiciled alien persons born on the Territory of the United States.
>>538127364the practice of lies apparently, learn to lie. duh most people don't know what this means anymore lets say whatever we want duh. great stuff
why miggers hate american constitution?
>>538125975>shifting the blame from Congress to court
>>538124201They don't and we are supposed to let 9 useless pieces of shit tell us we have to. That picture is the same as you would get by dropping a camera into a porta potty.>>538124312Wrong asshole, you deserve to die.
>>538124201>Can anybody LOGICALLY explain why children born to parents here illegally have a right to US citizenship?Because you have law that says so. Its fucking amendment to constitution.
>>538127327This is retarded. What is your point? If you're in the US, you must obey its laws. That's what it means to be "subject to [a] jurisdiction." What you cited holds no bearing on the question. LLMs aren't lawyers bud
>>538127029It is my White Privilege under the First Amendment to Copy/Publish a Petition for Redress of Grievances.
>>538124201I don't like it but legally it didn't have any real ground to stand on. If you could take that citizenship away you could take anybody's away for any reason, it would be a bad precedent.
>>538127309not him but the law needs to change.
>>538127454>read words and give them their ordinary meanings>this is.... the practice of LIESLol
>>538127526Write a letter to Congress
>>538126459Just have kids you faggots. That's all it takes for them to stop importing niggers.
>>538127495I should have an unregulated machine gun. My gun rights shall not be infringed yet every politican does.
>>538127495>If you're in the US, you must obey its laws. That's what it means to be "subject to [a] jurisdiction."so it applies to literally everyone in the USwhy even make the distinction if it's a tautologyprotip: it's notalso see pic related
>>538127422It's an amendment, not in the constitution itself. And most people are the descendants of naturalized citizens, not illegals. The only ask was for going forward, could we please be reasonable.
>>538127618>so it applies to literally everyone in the USNo it does not, diplomats and other states persons are not subject to the laws of the US
>>538125975>my fanfic constitution is better than your real constitutionwhy are all miggers so delusional
>>538124423No other country on earth does "birthright citizenship" other than some latin american shitholes who aren't real countries. Even those ones have stipulations to prevent border-crossers from exploiting. The purpose of the 14th amendment was to grant freed slaves citizenship. It wasn't to allow every single 3rd world person to sprint across the border, shit out a kid, and automatically be a citizen. Thst's literally retarded.
>>538126715this.t. literal lawfag>>538127611Correct
>>538127618Because they're making a rule
>>538127667>you can murder people if you're a diplomatnah nigga>>538127715>t. literal lawfagcould you name one other country in the world that gives you citizenship for shitting out a child on their soil
>>538127600They made that nearly impossible. Socially or financially.
>>538127686and canada
>>538127309>The amendment was passed as a loophole to give ex slaves citizenship.The Judge's Assertion that Foreign Nations do not care if the offspring of their subjects are poached by the United States (conscripted into Military Service of the United States against the sovereign of their parents) is TOTAL LIES. Even the US demanded in express treaties that its citizens would not be subject to the jurisdiction of the foreign sovereign. Persia (Iran): Treaty of Friendship and Commerce (1856)Provisions: Article V granted U.S. citizens local immunity, stipulating that written or oral disputes between U.S. citizens and Persian subjects would be decided in the presence of a U.S. consular officer, and disputes exclusively between Siam (Thailand): Treaty of Friendship and Commerce (1856)Provisions: Negotiated by Townsend Harris, this treaty granted the U.S. consul exclusive criminal and civil jurisdiction over all American citizens residing in or visiting Siam.China: Treaty of Wanghia (1844)Provisions: Article XXI explicitly exempted U.S. citizens who committed crimes in China from Chinese law, placing them under the jurisdiction of U.S. consular authorities. Article XXV applied the same principle to civil disputes.Japan: Treaty of Amity and Commerce (The Harris Treaty, 1858)>>538127327>>538127422>>538127453
>>538127566Maybe read through the lines for me then? So the US government can traffic people here? And they use the same "we're all immigrants bro" excuse? Are they saying were were all trafficked into the US as low wage labor? What does that make "them"? HUH
>>538127686See here is the thing. The lawmakers never thought that this situation would happen. They did not expect America would be in the situation it is in now. If they though this law could be abused the way it is now, they would have thrown in caveats.
>>538124201TRAITORS CAUSE THE INVADERSStop the leak, then wipe up the invaders mess.
>>538127767why do you care so much about other countries? i thought you were an american? we follow american laws here. if you dislike american laws, move elsewhere or lobby ***congress*** to ***change the laws*** instead of pretending a president is king
>>538127599I’d go to jail.See the problem?
>>538127767>you can murder people if you're a diplomatYes my little retard, you literally can. You'll be expelled at best or the government will try to capture you at worst, but this is literally what diplomatic immunity is about.
>>538127495>If you're in the US, you must obey its laws.China: Treaty of Wanghia (1844)Provisions: Article XXI explicitly exempted U.S. citizens who committed crimes in China from Chinese law, placing them under the jurisdiction of U.S. consular authorities. Article XXV applied the same principle to civil disputes.Japan: Treaty of Amity and Commerce (The Harris Treaty, 1858)Treaty of Commerce and Navigation (1830)Provisions: Article IV of this treaty granted U.S. citizens extraterritorial privileges within the Ottoman dominions. It specified that American citizens charged with offenses should not be arrested or imprisoned by local authorities, but should be tried by their own minister or consul.Moreover, nothing in the Fourteenth Amendment compels the United States to poach the offspring of alien athletes participating in the Olympics or training for the Olympics in the United States, or touring or working in the United States, at the time of the birth of their (physically gifted) alien child. A nation such as China, which even guards the DNA rights its Panda Bears abroad, may well demand the return of any offspring of its own athletes, and any assertion of power "Right of the Soil" jurisdiction by the Courts over such offspring could lead to open Warfare between the United States and China, both being nuclear armed Sovereigns. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538124555Witnessed. /Thread.
>>538127866you have a first amendment right to petition the government and if that is infringed, you get a free handout from the courts. stop larping like you live in some soviet dystopia. my communications to zionist politicians mince no words and i am a free man.
>>538127715If they are born or naturalized then they should pay taxes, get car insurance, register their cars and abide by every single solitary law that everyone else does. They should get arrested for skirting.
>Birthright citizenship is upheld>They can still be denaturalized.
>>538127816From what I understand the modern interpretation of the 14th amendment originates from a note scribbled in the margin by a supreme court justice in a legal opinion. The court spent decades deliberately avoiding a ruling on the topic. Now we have some Heritage foundation justices with a libertarian market-ideology who believes in business profits and cheap labor. Their motivation behind this asinine interpretation is just 'profits, business, gdp....etc' like typical libertardians
>>538127523>I don't like it but legally it didn't have any real ground to stand on. If you could take that citizenship away you could take anybody's away for any reason, it would be a bad precedent.Not true at all.The US Citizen has a constitutional right to keep their citizenship, protected by "Due Process". Two US Citizen parents have a Constututional right to vest US Citizenship into their offspring as common law property/birthrights. The Fourteenth Amendment has nothing to say about that. The 14A only confers upon US Citizens the right to become USState-Citizens simply by moving and residing in a State.
>>538127813>read through the lines for meNo. Legal analysis is not reading through the lines; it's reading the line. The Constitution says what it says. Dont like it? Write your congressman
>>538124201You cant, the opinion nothing more then yeahbutts and whatabouts.
>>538127979Get a 2/3 majority and repeal the amendment if it make you seethe so much Trying to do cherry picking of laws is literal weasely cuck behavior The democrats do the same with muh well trained militia
>>538127667>iplomats and other states persons are not subject to the laws of the UScorrect. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.mdMoreover, nothing in the Fourteenth Amendment compels the United States to poach the offspring of alien athletes participating in the Olympics or training for the Olympics in the United States, or touring or working in the United States, at the time of the birth of their (physically gifted) alien child. A nation such as China, which even guards the DNA rights its Panda Bears abroad, may well demand the return of any offspring of its own athletes, and any assertion of power "Right of the Soil" jurisdiction by the Courts over such offspring could lead to open Warfare between the United States and China, both being nuclear armed Sovereigns. Thus, we strongly contest and take issue with the Court's assertion that "No such intersovereign concerns apply to children born of parents ... temporarily present in the United States; no foreign sovereign would 'have any motive for wishing' them outside this Nation’s authority [to impose uppon them the obligation of extradition, Taxation and Military Service and/or service in the US Olympic Team]."Morover, the well-documented History of the United States (and its prior ruler the English Crown) clearly demonstrates that a Soveriegn has repeatedly and expressly demanded that its various nondiplomat subjects/citizens shall be exempted from territorial jurisidciton while temporarily present in foreign soil.
>>538124201So whites can be replaced faster. Are you retarded?
>>538127839case law is the antithesis of written law, appointed officials get to arbitrate the fate of the countrybut to answer your question--if the implementation of birthright citizenship is natural and needed to running a country as a matter of course, why is the US the only country with it? Could you name a single EU country with a similar provision?
Because no human is illegal sweaty
>>538127767>nah niggaThey actually can. Diplomatic immunity is total, if a diplomat committed murder they would not be prosecuted in the US
>>538124201*Logic* has nothing to do with it. People 150 years ago drafted an Amendment to deal with a completely different situation in a completely different world, and had no idea that 150 years later people would still be interpreting it to mean that the children of Chinese birth tourists who are only here for a few hours, or the anchor babies that illegals shit out after illegally sneaking into the country should be citizens. If you went back and asked them about it, I guarantee that they would think it is insane that their words have been twisted to apply to situations that they obviously should not be applied to.
>>538128097>Trying to do cherry picking of laws is literal weasely cuck behaviorThe law was literally never intended to be interpreted this way. This interpretation is completely asinine. It's not cherry picking.>The democrats do the same with muh well trained militiaA well trained militia would be far more effective in opposing federal power. Once again guncucks don't actualy care about that, this is about their profitable industry.
>>538128141what the fuck are you babbling about? the amendment clearly states if you are subject to us jurisdiction at birth, you are a citizen. if you dislike that, lobby for the law and constitution to be changed. you keep invoking other countries laws like some weird globalist libtard. i could not care less how they address this.
>>538127805>>538127896Not reading your chatgpt slop. The Constitution reigns supreme. Stfu layman
>>538127686>14A was not intended to empower China to raise the offspring of its Chinese Birth Jihadists as Communists who have a constitutional right to become the future US Congressmen, or US Presidents. Thst's literally Treason. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538124312Reminder that the highest court in the US also reiterated today that you will never be a real woman.
>>538124201whites did the same thing to the native americans... barged in and had babies until they overtook themthe mexicans are doing it to you now and now you're mad... its karma
>>538128161>>538127893diplomatic immunity is waived all the time, literally multiple times a yearweird that they don't instantly become citizens, why is that?
>>538127944Should they have to pay taxes, and follow every other law like card insurance, vehicle registration? Should immigrants who are not naturalized be able to get arrested by ICE and deported without impunity? Should employers be allowed to hire people.not born or naturalized here and pay them cash?
>>538126334The Kalergi Plan drives literally every aspect of policy in the west.
>>538128289Because dipolmatic immunity is a narrow EXCEPTION (which proves the rule), and international law is complicated
>>538128205eat shit faggot, birthright citizenship in its current Judicial interpretation came about 100 years after the 14th amendment was ratified. Before that, anchor babies didn't exist at all.https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1951-2000/Immigration-and-Nationality-Act-of-1965/
>>538128293congress and state legislatures answer all of these questions. i love that you think it's some kind of gotcha or witty retort. you're so cute.
>>538127777Yeah that’s what made it impossible for you to have kids lol
>>538128289Why would they become citizens? They weren't born in the US
>>538128200>The law was literally never intended to be interpreted this way.The most literal interpretation was never intended to be interpreted this way? Do you realize how retarded you sound.It's written black on white:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.Your only cope now is that children of illegals immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. But you do realize what that means, right? You're basically granting children of illegals (and the parents) diplomatic immunity. If you claim they are not subject to the laws of the us, you literally cannot prosecute them. Diplomatic immunity is a VOLUNTARY waive of jurisdiction by the government, basically a gesture of goodwill.
>>538127944>>They can still be denaturalized.Not really. Only for Treason/TakingUpArmsAgainst after-the-fact etc. The US Supreme Court Committed TREASON. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538128281How does allowing vast numbers of foreigners benefit the Native Americans? Nobody has ever explained that. You're not helping natives you're just completing their destruction. What's actually killing the natives is left wing racemixing stuff. You dongive 1 fuck about the natives other than using them as a weapon to attack whites.
>>538128354i am aware of many historical examples where people have been wrong for longer than 100 years. not sure what your point is exactly.
>>538125975Thing is, they are the Supreme Court deciding on a constitutional matter, they are right and you are wrong even if you don't like it, you can throw a tantrum, piss and shit your pants while screeching on the ground but that's the reality.On constitutional matters wathever the Supreme Court decides is always right.
>>538128144Well then. You can tell the natives on their reservations they can no longer cry.
>>538126846Power to you brother
>>538124201Can anybody LOGICALLY explain why children born to parents here illegally have a right to US citizenship?COZ nigger Obama kids will have to leave if the law changed and MIKE TYSON would be very angry..
>>538127767>could you name one other country in the world that gives you citizenship for shitting out a child on their soilI'm a US Lawfag, California specifically, or do you think all lawfaggots know all the laws in all the world?
>>538124201>explain whyI can't, aside from jews.
On the plus side, a great victory for Corporate money into politics, and women who don't have to compete with mentally ill men like yourselves.
>Shills going out of their way to bury the news that Trump can fire anyone he wants in the Executive branch for any reason.
>>538128404>You dongive 1 fuck about the natives where did i ever say i didim just pointing out the funny karma you yt bois are receiving
>>538128041>Write your congressmanDemand that Chief Justice Roberts is Impeached for Lying and for constructive TREASON against the United States. See https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538128405>the law says X>it was interpreted as Y for 100 years>now it's interpreted as Z>see the law is infallible and says what it says, it's not the judiciaryanon snakes away from intellectual honesty forever, like a jew from accountability
>>538128516that's how law works anon. that's how it's always worked.
>>538128281Yeah, we should let the country be destroyed because of white guilt for shit that happened 150 years ago. Great idea faggot.
>>538128510Shut up retard or better yet go picket outside the Whitehouse like 100 other spastic retards do every day about shit they don't understand
>>538128474Yes, Trump can fire regulators and put corporate cronies and imbeciles in their place. But NOT the Fed, because the markets being steady is important to the rich.As Uncle Mitch intended.If you think that was good news for you, and you aren't on a corporate board, I feel bad for you.
Awesome. Guess we're just gonna start having millions of Chinese anchor babies now that this is the law.
>>538128390The purpose of laws is to uphold your society. It's not a suicide pact. If I see words on a page that says "you must shoot yourself" I'm not doing that, I'm shooting you instead. >the words on a page said your whole civilization needs to dieLmao like I give a fuck. These laws are meant for me, for my children, not for some foreign fucktard to abuse and get free shit at my disposal.
>>538128605snowflake easily triggered into violent murder fantasies by words on a page?
>>538128358I was asking an opinion, faggot. And I asked the other anon twice and he didnt respond but you answer? Switching IDs or something? Do you agree that they should pay taxes and be on the books like everyone else? What about employers hiring people for cash who snuck in the country illegally?
>>538128428Man he should have added that to the actual14th amendment
>>538128573sorry, timmy. america has already been beanified
>>538128640again, congress and state legislatures can address those issues, and they have done so. pretending they have not is your choice.
>>538128141>why is the US the only country with itThe 14A was needed to convert the freed negros (who were "subjects" of the United States) into "citizens" that could be drafted into the US Army, compelled to pay taxes, compelled to buy ObamaCare, perform labor in Agriculture camps while imagining themselves to be "equal" to white citizens. So, the tolal answer is; Because of negros.
>>538128640also i wish i knew how to flip ids easily, would make rustling you that much easier. i don't try that hard though
>>538127767>could you name one other country inPretty much every country in the americas
>>538128640>What about employers hiring people for cash who snuck in the country illegally?Those people have money, and Trump has promised never to touch them OR their hirelings. Last 4th of July in fact.
>>538128605Then write your congressman to put in a bill to change the law. That's how it works retard. But it's an uphill battle with constitutional amendments. So good luck. I agree with you btw lots of the Constitution needs to be updated but it won't and crying about it won't help
>>538124201blame the writers of the 14th amendment. although they clarified what exactly they meant later on, they were idiots who codified something completely different into law than was their actual intent
>>538128605>ackchually I don't have to follow the constitution if it hurts my feefees or tells me to do things I find badwell at least you admit your entire patriotism about your national mythology is a sham lmao.
>>538128041this is where that context comes in that's inconvenient for you
>>538128161>if a diplomat committed murder tThe power to expressly waive Jus Soli/Jurisdiction and create a status of non-jurisdiction for foreign persons (like by the IOIA) is vested in the Congress and the President. In the absence of any statute to the contrary, the President alone has the power to diplopomatically grant an express waiver of Jus Soli/Jurisdiction over the alien child at the moment of its birth.China: Treaty of Wanghia (1844)Provisions: Article XXI explicitly exempted U.S. citizens who committed crimes in China from Chinese law, placing them under the jurisdiction of U.S. consular authorities. Article XXV applied the same principle to civil disputes.Japan: Treaty of Amity and Commerce (The Harris Treaty, 1858)Provisions: Article VI provided that Americans committing offenses against Japanese citizens would be tried in American consular courts, and Japanese committing offenses against Americans would be tried in Japanese courts.Siam (Thailand): Treaty of Friendship and Commerce (1856)
>>538128638>snowflakeMy state of California has gone from 80% white to 20% in just 30 years. The white minority here faces significant legal discrimination and repression. Millions of white are fleeing the state since they can't get any jobs. This is the destuction of an entire civilization, a land area the size of germany, to a foreign invading army.
>>538124201Per Congress>A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a per-manent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens ofthe United States and of the State wherein they reside.Illegal aliens are not aliens engaged in hostile occupation. This was settled 130 years ago in US v Wong Kim Ark.
>>538128747Context is not law
>>538128733>But it's an uphill battle with constitutional amendmentsBecause of all the foreign invaders in the country it's impossible, yes. That's literally what we're trying to change.
>>538124201Because after the war between the yankees and the Americans, the illegitimate yankee government wanted Reconstruction to be Haitian Revolution 2.0 by arming newly freed niggers to rage a race war against white Southerners (Freedmen's Bureau Act of 1866).
>>538128209>Not reading your chatgpt slop.Generative AI provides accellerated-writing assistance to highly intelligent people. To you, it offers only amusing cat videos.
dead nation lol
>>538128795>but fearless leader told me the ruling was a cinch!>oh well, i'll believe the former reality tv host who was at least an acquaintance with famous nyc financier jeffery epstein
>>538128816What is law without context? Something you can bend to your will, and that's how it's done mostly. Like a deliberate game of telephone
>>538126715>in the United States = under US jurisdiction >therefore the text reads "you must be born in the U.S AND<~ born in the U.S"You lawfags are so retarded, no wonder the West is going to shit.
>>538128281>whites did the same thing to the native americans... barged in and had babies until they overtook themThe Whites maintained separate civil governments and separate citizenships and people. The whites generally did not demand to be "subject to the Jurisdiction of the Apache/Pohatan/Cherokee Tribal Government"
>>538125975
>>538128844Yeah but it hallucinates bullshit and doesn't understand law or any of the subjects it recites to you in fact. It's just a Dunning-Kruger machine>>538128831Oh you're doing it illegally though. The court is gonna stop that
>>538124201It's in the name. All people born in USA, are USA citizens. Rich for whitey to bitch about foreigners shitting out babies in ''their'' land. You're foreigners who shit out babies in a foreign land. Then you declared yourself a country. You're the original wetbacks. USA is a wetback country. Always has been and always will be.
>>538128349>dipolmatic immunity is a narrow EXCEPTIONNot necessarily.China: Treaty of Wanghia (1844)Provisions: Article XXI explicitly exempted U.S. citizens who committed crimes in China from Chinese law, placing them under the jurisdiction of U.S. consular authorities. Article XXV applied the same principle to civil disputes.Japan: Treaty of Amity and Commerce (The Harris Treaty, 1858)Provisions: Article VI provided that Americans committing offenses against Japanese citizens would be tried in American consular courts, and Japanese committing offenses against Americans would be tried in Japanese courts.Siam (Thailand): Treaty of Friendship and Commerce (1856)Provisions: Negotiated by Townsend Harris, this treaty granted the U.S. consul exclusive criminal and civil jurisdiction over all American citizens residing in or visiting Siam.Muscat (Oman): Treaty of Amity and Commerce (1833)Provisions: Article 9 of this treaty, negotiated by Edmund Roberts, gave the U.S. Consul exclusive jurisdiction to settle disputes between American citizens, as well as disputes between Americans and other foreign nationals within the Sultan’s dominions.
>>538126715My cat was born in the United States, so is she a citizen too?
>>538128915You can be in the US but not born/naturalized in the US. Those people are not citizens >a hurr a fuckin durr>>538128911Wow so brave you should write a poem to your Congressman
>>538128600Are you just here to lament then? Demoralization shill
>>538129004is she a person, anon?
>>538128844yeah no
>>538128844I can smell the shit through my screen raj
>>538128669They probably thought that kikes wouldn't take control of the country and pretend to not understand what>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereofmeant or that they would play word games. We're going to learn from them going forward, there will be no opportunities for the demons to play with the words.
>>538128979>posts other exceptions You're proving me right>>538129004Don't be daft
>>538129036A corporation is a person, so yes his cat is a person.
>>538129011But can you be in the U.S but not under U.S jurisdiction?(Yes)
>>538129036Who’s to say she isn’t?
>>538129011Why would you need politics if you didn't need to lie? Now you've got two liar's games and you say that's where to go for answers. Dumbass
>>538128946>The court is gonna stop thatFor literally decades the court upheld shit like same-sex marriage and abortion that was totally illegal, total stretch of the law. Yet you're saying that this blatantly retarded interpretation of the 14th amendment which was literally not intended for this, has to stand. And by the way it's impossible to change because tol many invaders came on. So this the law is a "suicide pact" that says the foreign invaders won and you lost. They successfully broke the rules and hacked your system, so now the words on the page said you need to lay down and die.
No. The 14th amendment makes clear they have certain legal protections but not full citizenship. All of our politicians and judges are captured. It’s really that simple. This case makes it more clear than ever that elections and courts are not going to right this ship.
>>538128390>granting children of illegals (and the parents) diplomatic immunity.only at the MOMENT OF THEIR BIRTH, is sufficient to prevent their vesting of Citizen status. No baby commits crimes at the moment of its birth, so it is inconsquential to waive jurisdiction over such newbords for the moment of their birth.The Supreme Court purports to interfere with President Trump's Comity "Gesture of Goodwill" of not asserting jurisdiction to extradite and conscript into the US Military the children of foreign tourists who broke water in the United States. These Lying Judges must be Impeached and Removed. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538124201What’s to discuss? America is fucking dead, and has been for decades. This a Jewish economic zone.
>>538129031>Are you just here to lament then?I'm here to spit facts into this cesspool of resentment.I TOLD YOU people when Trump was appointing Mitch's picks to the SCOTUS that it wasn't a win for MAGA (or MIGA) it was wins for Big Corp.Long after Trump is mouldering in golf course grave next to Ivana, these SCOTUS appointments and the super-Rights of Corporations will haunt us, for generations.
>>538128761Why did you list a bunch of examples of foreign countries granting diplomatic immunity to US citizens? If the president wants to grant diplomatic immunity to every child born to foreign parents he is probably allowed to do that. That might be an interesting way around this, although the question would be around timing, if it applied after they were born then would already be US citizens
>>538129089Yes under some narrow exceptions (like diplomatic immunity). But generally, if somebody comes to the US, they are subject to the jurisdiction thereof (and more specifically, whatever state they happen to be in)Sorry didn't realize I had to spell it out for you
>>538128406>they are right and you are wrongNo. Lies are Lies. These Judges have LIED in their opinion today to fraudulently create what they call "the apparance of propriety" https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538129089Yes, anyone explicitly granted immunity is not under us jurisdiction
>>538129264So when historic administrations rounded up millions of mexicans and sent them packing, did the law stand back then? Because they didn't seem to think it worked that way. In fact nobody in history thought it did until a couple decades ago
>>538129107I don't need politics. I'm a lawyer. Politics is retarded, and those who follow it seemingly moreso. I'm aware of the irony.>>538129130Keep crying, SCOTUS is the law of the land. You lost migger
>>538129181>only at the MOMENT OF THEIR BIRTH, is sufficient to prevent their vesting of Citizen statusNope, that won't be enough. The amendment does not say "at the moment of", so you can't do a "no u" by temporarily granting them immunity lmao. "Born in x" is a timeless fact.
>>538129257Donald HATES Legislation. Unfortunately Legislation is what creates a President's legacy. Trump's signing statements and emergency actions are just sandcastles at high tide. They will all be gone all too soon.
>>538129050>word games Just read what it says there’s no games
>>538124201Governments don't give rights, God does. Government offers privileges to a good dog. You care about the issues of the day because you're a mindslave. You don't even know the first thing about freedom.
>>538129345>vagueposting(You)
>>538129348Illegal immigrants break the law of the land and 100% of them will go, and their ugly squatgoblin kids.
>>538129356I get the impression he just finds legislation too hard l, EOs are far simpler
>>538129348Do you think there's some higher level of interpretation you're purposefully ignorant of when you're spinning your lies or is there just a complete lack of morality like a jew.
>>538129348The Judicial Branch does not create law. That’s not how our country is supposed to work.
>>538128205The irony of you calling someone a globalist libtard
>>538129423Yeah because the law of the land says they are to be deported
>>538129423Pssh. I'd let them stay here and fertilize the soil. Those are enemy combatants, not kin.
>>538129423Will go to your mom's bedroom maybe.
>>538129477Is that why retard? Is this all a game where we autistically obey the words on a page?The reason they will go is because the people want them gone, the law be damned. The law serves the people, and any laws that don't are illegitimate.
>>538129379>Governments don't give rights, God does.God just throws you into a cruel world with minimal guidance, a dozen enemies, and wishes you good luck and moral fortitude.
>>538129448>irrational shit flinging because you don't like the lawYeah I'm used to it. I'm a lawyer >>538129455Yeah no shit, but their interpretation of legislation is binding. The "law of the land" is legislation and judicial interpretations thereof>what is the Anglo American legal system?
>>538129264Or like, get this.... if the person specifically AVOIDED subjecting themselves to U.S jurisdiction when they entered the country.(Invading armies, illegal immigrants)
>>538129599A lawyer = a useless hack who produces nothing of value.
>>538129434>I get the impression he just finds legislation too hardHe's never built consensus between parties in his entire life. He was born thinking he knew everything about everything, so anyone else with opinions are just stupid.He's a "leader" who considers anyone below a foreign dictator an NPC. That includes his base and everyone in this thread.
>>538129541Why are you being so stubborn? Yes. We autistically follow words on a page. That's how law works. Write a letter to your fucking congressman if you don't think the law is "serving the people"
>>538129599A lawyer with no sense of context or time with a singular interpretation of the law, or does that depend on the pay
>>538129322What about someone who the U.S government has no idea they even exist?Is that person under U.S jurisdiction?
>>538129257>Why did you list a bunch of examples of foreign countries granting diplomatic immunity to US citizens?Because these documents and others illustrate that Judge Roberts LIED in his assertion that no sovereign has a "motive" to demand that its subjects (and the offspring thereof) are immune from local law during temporary sojourns. Judge Roberts must be impeached and removed from Office. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md Also, these treaties prove that the Sovereignty of the United States and the Authority of the US President includes no less than the same right to temporarily Waive "Territorial Jurisdiction" over aliens temporarily in the United States. President need only Temporarily Waive Territorial Jurisdiction over the un/born alien child itself at the MOMENT OF ITS BIRTH.
>>538129687Absolutely.
>>538128281Whites killed brown retards like you until there weren't enough of you brownoids to matter. Guess we gotta do that again and add jews and race traitors to the pile.
>>538129650>He was born thinking he knew everything about everything, so anyone else with opinions are just stupidWhy /pol/ love(d) him so much
>>538129666Any government that does not serve the people is illegitimate. A government that serves foreigners and businesses over the people is an illegitimate state. This was one of the last chances to save the country, now it's a dead edifice who serves nobody but themselves.
>>538129089Not really, unless a diplomat. That's why illegals still have constitutional rights like due process and protection from illegal searches. As for the 14th and SCOTUS one can read the ruling and dissents. Most of dissents read like opinions and not case law and I find that rather strange.https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2026/06/25-365_4hdj.pdf
>>538124201Obvious - Mongrel-Theist-Bigots
>>538129712 Those were all agreed upon treaties Anon, they weren't American dictates.
>>538129649>>538129677Right like that kind of shitflinging. I'm used to it from rural retard types with no understanding of the real worldAnyways I'm out niggers. Have fun crying in your gay ass thread>>538129757Boo FUCKING hoo
>>538129257>If the president wants to grant diplomatic immunity to every child born to foreign parents he is probably allowed to do that. That might be an interesting way around this, although the question would be around timing, if it applied after they were born then would already be US citizensThat is entirely correct! https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.mdIn the Absence of Statutes, the President is vested with the Power to Temporary Waive Territorial Jurisdiction over un/born alien Child at the MOMENT OF ITS BIRTH, preventing the vesting of US Citizenship. Thus, sparing the international Conflict of the United States claiming ownership of the offspring of the Chinese students, olympic athletes, tourists, and extraditing or extracting such "american citizens" from China to be conscripted into US Military to fight against China. [or to become US President] https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538129720How can they be under U.S jurisdiction if the U.S doesn't know they exist?
>>538128354They have just as much right to existence as your faggot ass. They pay taxes and social security. What else do you want.
>>538129772The dissents are just being contrarian. Clarence doesn't REALLY want to disrupt birthright, it would throw the economy of his rich patrons into Chaos.But he and Alito felt safe in being pricks because they knew it would never clear the majority.
>>538129772Of course you can retard, Indians were for like a hundred years
>>538128767This is the most retarded lie ever posted on pol.
The kid has the right, the parents are irrelevant. The supreme court got everything right today. If you're born here, you're an American. And they were right on the tranny shit too.
Get Some ZOGMongrel-Theist-Bigots gonna kill-you.Dead-Man-Walking.
>>538129812>rural retard typesIt's funny you have this sense of superiority and grandiosity, you're talking to a stem graduate with a better degree than you who can do high levels of math and has done actual published science. You are a worthless human being who produces nothing of value, like all lawyers. Your speciality is navigating the maze that you yourselves erected to prevent justice from being served. I speak justice, you speak judaism.>Boo FUCKING hooAll traitors will be hanged.
>>538129322>anyone explicitly granted immunity is not under us jurisdictionCorrect. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md But, Trump's Executive Order did not explicitly mention "immunity" or "waiver", and was a failure, for purporting to be an interpretation of the law, rather than the assertion of an Express Waiver of Jurisdiction. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538129650The opposition tried to kill him at least three times. They got a friend of his killed while former FBI head and many others celebrate both the attempts and the death of his friend. How do you build consensus with those who're actively trying to kill you?
>>538129812>I only know the law>what's your definition of the law>call your representative
>>538124201It's because it's legal here fag
>>538129966If the parents are irrelevant then why does it specifically say they have to be subject to U.S jurisdiction?
>>538129871If you and your wife have some baby in secret, and raise it beneath the stairs unknown to the neighborhood, it's STILL a US citizen with full Rights (that you are violating).And the moment the authorities are aware of it, you are in a lot of trouble.
>>538124347>good luck deporting 25% of the working age populationI no longer think they should be deported.
>>538129960What lie retard? I live here, you don't know shit.
>>538124201Because that's the the Constitution says. Every time SCOTUS makes a controversial decision, brainlets out themselves as not understanding anything about how the US works. SCOTUS wasn't deciding whether children of illegals should get citizenship, they were deciding whether that is currently the law which it is. If you disagree with the Constitution then make an amendment instead of crying about SCOTUS doing their job
>>538129348>I'm a lawyer. Politics is retarded, and those who follow it seemingly moreso. I'm aware of the irony.>>>538129130>I'm a lawyer. SCOTUS is the law of the land. You lost miggerNo, you are a Liar and an ENEMY. The Constitution is the "Supreme LAW of the LAND", not the Court, and not YOU. You are a CULT OF LIARS who think you are "licensed to Practice Lies" https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538130128And who has ultimate authority to interpret the constitution as per the constitution?
>>538130036Trump has been labeling his political opposition "enemies of the country", scumbags and worse since even before he was elected the first time.It's classic "Talk Shit, Get Hit" behavior.His entire political strategy is to keep both sides "Angery" while he fills his pockets.
>>538130185The people.
>>538127523There's dozens of countries that don't have brithright citizenships by way of illegal immigration and there has never been an issue with native born citizens losing their citizenship.
>>538124201>Trumps signs EO that blatantly goes against the constitution>It's ruled that it blatantly goes against the constitutionGee-wizz who would have thunk? Looks like Low IQ Dementia Don will have to amend it via congress. Oh what's that? He can't? Well tough fucking shit.>LOGICALLY You /pol/ fags don't give a single fuck about logic lol. If you mean logically as in regards to the law, then see above. If you mean logically as in regards to just, in general, then I would ask,>If any admin can simply change who's a citizen and who's not, do you think that is a problem and what are the border implications of that? Your reply will probably be some moronic "But I would never be affected" bullshit.
>>538130065I and my wife would be citizens, the child would get citizenship by descent regardless of where it was born.
>>538130205The logic is we're going to turn all the browns into fertilizer, and the lawyers too.
The language used in the 14th amendment isn't particularly ambiguous so I'm not sure why this was even up for discussion
>>538130194Most of those countries don't hand out citizenship period. Your family can be 5 generations in Japan and not be a citizen.
>>538129355>"Born in x" is a timeless fact.Nope. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md You are ignoring the bi-conditional express terms of the rule: Born "in and [born] subject to the jurisdiction". Born "in" is only one required fact. Born "subject to" is a condition existing only at a very specific moment in time (birth). https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md The "and" born "subject to" language proves that simply born "in" is alone insufficient.No Mandatory Language: The Amendment does not contain mandatory or prospective directives regarding birth itself. It does not dictate that any particular class of persons shall be born, nor does it mandate that those who are born to non-citizens must be born subject to U.S. jurisdiction. The Citizenship Clause’s principal author would explain that its languagewas “simply declaratory of . . . the law of the land already” which in his own time never purported tp mandate that the Sovereign must assert its Jus Soil Territorial Jurisdiction over an alien, much less that alien's offfspring. Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., at 2890 (Sen. Howard).If the Tipolitans had dared to assert Jus Soli Jurisdiction over a child born to US Citizens while the parents were held in captivity, or freely touristing working or passing though, in Tripoli that would have been causa belli, inviting the US President to bomb Tripoli again.
>>538129772>Not reallyBullshit. If Trump wanted a land war in Iran and decided to feed the machine with conscripts, you'll find out all the beaners who you claim to be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US will head South and there won't be a damned thing we can do about it. Hell, they'll probably win that at SCOTUS too if we pushed the issue.
>>538130220That wasn't the question howsoever.And by law, it applies equally to people trespassing in the country and their attic baby.
>>538130258The amendment was passed for slaves and confederates to becime citizens. If anyonr believed it meant "any random illegal immigrant" it never would have beem passed. That's absolutely retarded and was never interpreted that way until a few decades ago.
>>538129448He is a PROFESSIONAL LIAR, who believe he and his cult are "Licensed to Practice Lies". https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538127826I n f i n i t e j e e t s
>>538130316The child would be a citizen by descent, that directly addresses your point.
>>538130297>If the Tipolitans had dared to assert Jus Soli Jurisdiction over a child born to US Citizens while the parents were held in captivity, or freely touristing working or passing though, in Tripoli that would have been causa belli, inviting the US President to bomb Tripoli again.This.
>>538130185What needs to be interpreted about the constitution the supreme Court just makes excuses for the federal government, always has.
>>538128974When are you leaving the Aztec motherland, frijolero?
>>538129050 It was left vague because the radical liberals who formed the core of the early Republican party wanted to play word games themselves. The Republican party had already set it's sights on recruiting freed niggers as a voting bloc and wanted flexibility in regards to immigrants and Amerindian savages. Reconstruction may have soured all but the most ardent negrophiles on the notion of non-white voting blocs but they didn't go back and fix the mistake.
>>538124312Fallacious circular reasoning
>>538126334Nah, them freaking out at trump for importing a mere 50 or so SA whites shows it is indeed racial.
>>538124201Honestly I was just surprises that Barrett is a female Scalia.She gives 0 fucks about the politics, she just cares about her 250 year old dictionaries.
>>538130335>If anyonr believed it meant "any random illegal immigrantConsidering the USA's history of more or less constant inflows of immigrants from the rest of the planet, I feel safe saying that that carve-out would have been mentioned if that were the case.Now you are going to try and tell me that everyone who entered the US for the last 300 years was processed at Ellis Island, and weren't simply settling, raising kids and them being citizens.
>>538130057Read the amendment dipshit, it doesn't mention parents.
>>538130335If that were all true, perhaps they should have put it in the constitution as opposed to leaving Americans to just make shit up as they go.
>>538130429Hearing her talk about context makes my head hurt
>>538129649>A lawyer = a useless hack who produces nothing of value.As Sam Altman says, Generative AI will provide "AI Lawyers" at a tiny fraction of the economic cost of these useless parasite "attorneys".This company pays "law school graduates" a living wage to teach AI Attorneys how to replace Real Estte Attoerneys, Trust Attorneys, Judge's Law Clerks and other Litigation Attorneys. https://dataannotation.tech/
>>538130036>The opposition tried to kill him at least three times.Citation needed. Not that it matters mind you you MAGA fags lie about everything. Contrary to evidence, you think that Vance Boelter was a leftist cus of a vague connection to Waltz. Trump is 10000000% the cause of the rising political temperature, and you are beyond delusional if you think otherwise.
>>538129130I wonder how often you talk about others having persecution/oppression fantasies
>>538124201Who gives a shit, this was the last peaceful chance to fix anything. I hope the leftists take everything in the midterm.
>>538130452>try and tell me that everyone who entered the US for the last 300The Naturalization Act of 1790 says you're full of shit.
>>538130452>Considering the USA's history of more or less constant inflows of immigrants from the rest of the planetWhich the vast majority of the country always opposed, and the founding fathers themselves totally opposed. It was done by rent seeking political hacks. Now you're saying this shitty thing the government has been doing for a long time defines the country. Fuck off nigger.>Ellis IslandOnly became famous because that's where jews were processed and jews totally dominate the culture of the country. By the way, the 1924 immigration act was passed with overwhelming popular support to shut that down.
>>538130535>no argumentI accept your concession.
>>538127600>Just create more pay piggies for the net -negatives they're flooding inLol, no. Let it crash and burn.
>>538130564>The Naturalization Act of 1790Was written 70 years before the 14th Amendment, and what I am telling you is that there were plenty of non-white children of "non-negro" descent living in America, and the people who wrote the 14th were well aware of that. If they were intended to be disincluded, they would have been.
>>538130452Ellis island is a huge myth, there was no screening. If anything it was a meme to convince people there was some semblance of order
>>538130626>this shitty thing the government has been doing for a long time defines the countryYES.Like Central Banking, this thing the Government has done almost forever defines the country. EXACTLY.And there are legal ways to fix that, but the POTUS scribbling down his wishes isn't one of them.
>>538124201Because making brown people live with brown people is cruel or something.
>ONLY 0 DAYS UNTIL THE SUPREME COURT STRIKES DOWN BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHI-ACKKWAB
>>538129790>agreed upon treaties Anon, they weren't American dictatesThe point is that, contrary to what Judge Roberts stated, Sovereigns (e.g., even the United States itself) can have a "motive" to demand that its subjects temporarily within a place are not "subject to the jurisdiction" [AND THAT THE OFFSPRING are not "subjects" of the land where the mother broke water]. Treaties are written Evidence of the "motive" that proves Judge Roberts is a LIAR who must be IMPEACHED. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md Further, United States procured most of those treaties by "gunboat diplomacy" (literally BOMBED TRIPOLI ! Tripoli: Treaty of Peace and Friendship (1796 and 1805)Provisions: Article 18 of the 1805 treaty provided that disputes between U.S. citizens should be decided by the American Consul. [Here, the assertion of Territorial Jurisdiction would be a breach of Treaty and invite the President to Bomb Tripoli again.It makes no sense to suggest that the United States lacks the same Sovereign Right to WAIVE its territorial Jurisdiction over temporary aliens (and/or their offspring at the MOMENT OF BIRTH)
>>538130256>MAGA/Right want to live in a state that's akin to some lawless African country ruled by a war lord.I'll never understand this.
I was anti-birthright citizenship and for overturning.But one point that was rarely mentioned is the Immigration and Naturalization Act Congress passed in 1952 had basically an identical, word for word reiteration of the clause everyone said was being misinterpreted ("and subject to the jurisdiction").So it was a lot harder lift than those on our side, like Ann Coulter, was implying. 1952 Congress had to have known how that clause had already been interpreted by the Courts (pretty expansively), so them repeating the clause instead of acknowledging any controversy in regards to it makes sound pretty settled at the time.
>>538129953>retard, Indians wereDumb ass, tribal sovereignty and tribal powers predate the constitution. That's why tribal reservations are their own for lack of a better term. Yet they still have basic rights under some Indian Civil rights bill from before 1970 if I remember right. Plus some strange one off doesn't really change anything about the 14th amendment.. The fact it wasn't 9-0 is a bit surprising but as others said I too suspect some of the dissents where just to grandstand a bit. Being they read like some sort of well I think they thought BS.I'll agree with the angry drunk dude's dissent that there are modern issues at play the framers didn't expect but then he turns around and says he feels they would feel and that not how one should be basing a SCOTUS ruling. Mostly is real comical to see all the no college types here try to explain constitutional law. I have a criminal justice degree so I can fallow the train of though of SCOTUS but the legal wording is just too much.Mean while Toby with a GED is on /pol/ going no see here is how everyone was wrong! Ok.. Calm down there
>>538130793>The point is that the President doesn't have the power to do that unilaterally, it requires negotiated diplomacy, another thing Trump is laughably bad at.
>>538130775There are no "legal fixes" since the only fix is editing the constitution, which is impossible since there's too many invaders in the country. You're basically saying>the law is a sucide pact, you see it says right here on the page you have to lay down and die.I do not give a goddamn fuck
>>538129918>They have just as much right to existence as your faggot assThey should not be allowed to MULTIPLY THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINT 12000x by migrating from their shithole of birth with No AirConditioning into the United States.
>>538124201Fuck jannies to death
>retards actually thought we were going to start rounding up anchor babies and throwing them backabsolute retards.
>>538130662It’s not an argument it’s calling you a retarded faggot for being afraid something stupid, do you have night terrors of a 5’0 Guatemalan man chasing after you or something
>>538124312But why though?How is that good for the country?
>>538130816No I want to live in a country where the browns are helping pur agriculture in the fertilizer sense
>>538130488How can someone be subject to U.S jurisdiction prior to their birth, except through their parents you fucking retard?
>>538130869>the only fix is editing the constitution, which is impossibleThen take my advice, and be glad you still have Rights (below Corporations, thanks Mitch), and stfu and deal with it.
>>538130838>The courts ignored it so it's lawSure I guess
>>538130010>you're talking to a stem graduate with a better degree than you who can do high levels of math and has done actual published scienceDear STEM Friend, please help Generative AI train "AI Attorneys" to replace, and cause the decimation, of the American Parasites "Attorneys" https://dataannotation.tech/
>>538130853Yeah so the Indians were born in the U.S, but they weren't subject to U.S jurisdiction, so they didn't get citizenship.Funny that.
>>538130693No, you like many others implied that immigration has been a free for all until some recent date while the reality is that the literal 1st Congress legislated it. > there were plenty of non-white children of "non-negro" descent living in AmericaAnd if they were in violation of the immigration statutes of the time the 14th shouldn't have provided Citizenship.
>>53813091380% of the old people in california are white20% of people under the age of 20.are white.Why is there this disparity? It's a conquered land. Mexico owns california now. I'm not even sure it won't secede in a generation or two.California discriminates against whites so severely, they actually repealed a constitutional amendment forbidding racial discrimination, because it was complicating their efforts to discriminate against whites.If you are white, you don't get hired. Millions and millions lf whites are fleeing the state. Virtually all of my friends left since they can't get jobs here. The only whites who can exist here are super super rich people
>>538130090>SCOTUS doing their jobJudges are not supposed to LIE. The Opinion is based on ABJECT LIES. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538131030Giving the state baby tax rights to random gypsies is kind of weird
>>538130980>stfu and deal with itOr you know, I can fight for the country my ancestors founded. Fuck off nigger
>>538131080New Jersey is Italian conquered land
>>538131056>And if they were in violation of the immigration statutes of the time the 14th shouldn't have provided Citizenship.But it DID, and the framers of the 14th had no problem with it, or they would have addressed it.You keep behaving irrationally, because of intense butthurt, over some ruling that was NEVER going to happen. So now you are reduced to larping that you can read the intentions of people long dead, when they had plenty, PLENTY of time to address this exact situation in their lifetimes.
>>538130299Your dipshit fantasy situation doesn't change anything about how illegals still have constitutional rights. It's why ICE can't just kick in doors to grab a chink student for his civil court issue of having an out of date student visa.and a draft is a whole other issue.. Like I get you don't really know shit about legal stuff but you're throwing around apples when we're talking about oranges.
>>538131181Italians have roughly a 100 iq score. But mexican IQ is literally in the 80's. Mexico can barely keep a functioning democracy
>>538131142You aren't "fighting" shit, you are squall-bagging on 4chinz. You just want nihilistic chaos where you are "the guy in the chair".Fuck off.
>>538130185>authority to interpret the constitution as per the constitution?The US Constitution does not specify that. But, in Marbury v. Madison, the Chief Justice invented the Doctrine of Judicial Review from First Principles of English Common Law. But, Lincoln stated that the States have the Ultimate Right to interpret the Constitution, and if the US Government violates their Rights under that, or the People's rights, the states have the right to "seceed" and make war. The Roberts opinion contains ABJECT LIES and justifies succession, to defend the Free States from Foreign Subversion and Invasion by Chinese-raised ChineseCharacteristicCommunist-Indoctrinated "American Citizens" https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538131244>But mexican IQ is literally in the 80's.It's how they blend in so well in Texas.
>>538131189>But it DID, and the framers of the 14th had no problem with itProof? I'm serious: do you have a case or story of the naturalization of someone in violation of the relevant immigration statutes at the time the 14th was ratified?
>>538131281The US has a lower IQ average than Russia now thanks to hispanic immigration. The US is going to be basically another shitty backwater hispanic country that accomplishes nothing.
>>538131368I feel you are helping that along nicely.
>>538131142Stop larping then and do it then, I've been listening to you people prattle on about how you're gonna take the country back for ages, but you never do shit.
>>538131389With my degree from a top 10 university, ok buddy. The US used to be this bastion of world progress and advancement that landed on the moon, invented everything. A powerful white nation. Now it's just gonna be brazilz an anarchylands where nothing significant happens except the murder rate going up.
>>538131276>Marbury v. MadisonGotta get my banker friends government jobs
>>538131030because they where a sovereign power before the constitution was even written you dim wit. Never mind when the 14th was ratified in 1868.
>>538131474>With my degree from a top 10 university, ok buddy.This is 4chan, we are all MIT graduates making 400k a year, with 10" schlongs and 3 blonde children.
>>538131244>Using one test score that definitely can’t have outside factors besides race to determine if someone’s essentially subhuman Never change /pol/
>>538131569*scores from one test
Just tie citizenship to civil service
>>538130488>it doesn't mention parentsTrue. But "person born" does imply the presence of a pregnant adult human female (i.e., woman" for you Supreme Court Justices) being present immediately prior to the "born" part. So, the law "presumes" that the born baby will have the same "subject" status as the mother, relative to Terriorial Jurisdiction of the United States (since they are presumably one-flesh prior to birth, and they are presumably in the same place at time of birth). But, the statutory law and/or the President of the United States can give the un/born person a different "subject" status than the mother. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538128228So you accept that birthright citizenship ruling then?
>>538130532The "racial jungle" Biden supposedly had over 10 Million Voters come out to vote for him that have never been heard of before nor since.... Not likely. Biden's Open Borders brought in millions of migrants from shithole countries who MULTIPLIED THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINTS 1000x by entering the United States, causing a Global Carbon Dioxide Increase of 2 GigaTons (over the lifetimes of the migrants). Trump has been fighting to reduce that Carbon Footprint by excluding and deporting the illegal Carbon Multipliers. The Supreme Court's Lies about Jurisdiction are making it harder for Trump to Reverse Biden's 2 GigaTon increase of Carbon Dioxide. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538130186>talk shit>gets hitI know you're a nigger.>>538130532Already 3 confirmed attempts, that Boelter moron even wrote out that he felt that Walz told him to go and kill people.
>>538128345>The Kalergi Plan drives literally every aspect of policy in the west.sadly accurate
>>538130693>there were plenty of non-white children of "non-negro" descent living in AmericaTrue, [Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo made Mexican RapeBabies of the Spanist Rapequistadors "Citizens of the United States"] The Court's suggestion that the American-born offspring of Chinese subjects, athletes, students, Tourists, workers, highly valued by the Chinese Communist Party must “be American citizens by birth” and are compelled to provide services to the United States, and can later be taxed or forcibly extradited or extracted from China by the United States, could very well ignite a War. Moroever, the idea that China would be entitled to educate and indoctrinate an American-born child of Chinese student parents afterwards raised in China, and that Chinese-raised child would then be entitled by the US Constitution to become Senator, Congressman or President of the United States, is entirely inconsistent with the survival and preservation of the United States as a Free State among the several hostile nations of the World.https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538130070>I no longer think they should be deported.
>>538127816Exactly- but Thomas points out (pic) there is more than enough evidence was the architects intended.
>>538130853>no college types here try to explain constitutional law>>538130860>the President doesn't have the powerUnder international and common law, a sovereign nation possesses the absolute right to define its territorial extent and to choose whether or not to assert jurisdiction over non-citizens residing temporarily or permanently within its borders. The Fourteenth Amendment and no statute contains language stripping the President of this sovereign prerogative.The President, utilizing inherent foreign affairs and comity powers, may issue an Executive Order formally waiving the United States' territorial jurisdiction over the child of a foreign national at the precise moment of birth. By operation of this waiver, the child is not "born subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Consequently, if the child is timely removed from the United States, they do not acquire birthright citizenship and are not subject to the associated obligations of U.S. citizens, such as global taxation (including the Affordable Care Act) or compulsory military service.This interpretation is supported by the historical treatment of Native American tribes, the legal status of foreign nationals as members of quasi-sovereign groups, and the statutory precedent of the International Organizations Immunities Act (IOIA), which demonstrates that the sovereign retains the discretion to decline to assert full territorial jurisdiction over non-diplomatic foreign subjects.The President’s powers to conduct foreign relations, grant comity, and manage the nation's sovereign boundaries are deeply rooted in English common law and the executive vestiture clause. The explicit mention of certain jurisdictional exclusions in judicial interpretations of the Fourteenth Amendment does not preclude the President from exercising the distinct sovereign power to affirmatively waive territorial jurisdiction in specific cases.
>>538131531So now that we've established that it is entirely possible to reside within the U.S without being subject to U.S jurisdiction, surely it must follow that people who have entered the country illegally with no knowledge or permission of the U.S are outside the bounds of that jurisdiction.
>>538130869>the only fix is editing the constitutionNot true. Trump just needs to hire some competent people to draft a New Executive Order that EXPRESSLY WAIVES the united States proprietary Jus Soli/Territorial Jurisdiction over Alien Chinese babies at the Moment of their Birth. https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
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>>538130919>NOT good for the countryhttps://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538132034>Killed only Dems>Targeted only Dems>Hit List only included Dems>Roommate confirmed he was very right wing>Is on video evangelically preaching about how evil it is being trans/gayThank you for proving my point in real time lol.>>538131950>Muh stolen election Weird how the '16 election was fair and valid, then the '20 election was totally rigged and stolen, then the '24 election went back to being air and valid again. Weird how that works... Weird how the 2024 election was decided by only 100-250k voters in swing states at the end of the day...Weird how despite Trump's lies, it's almost like his "landslide historic" win isn't even in the top 40 or Fed US election wins... Weird how his "landslide historic" win is in the 30th percentile of Fed US election wins... Weird how he only won the popular vote by 1.5% Weird how there's zero evidence that the 2020 election was stolen... Yet you still "believe" it...Weird how there's mountains of evidence and testimonies that Trump tried to steal the 2020 election... Yet you still don't "believe" it...Weird how Trump explicitly kept the border open so he could run on the issue in the 2024 election...
>>538129687Yes? Why wouldn't they be
>>538132679>write amendment >essentially highest law in all land>people follow law as written and find loophole>don’t like that people follow law in way I don’t like >don’t try and amend the amendment Maybe should have included it in the final draft
>>538132988they didnt find a loophole, the assent cited nothing and its an entirely feels based ruling
>>538132925Insane dude did insane things. If it's actually the right going to work on the left you'd see more than just those on the list. You have no fucking idea how bad it is right now with this.
>>538130960>How can someone be subject to U.S jurisdiction prior to their birthThat is not a difficult question. Congress passes a law mandating abortion of all in utero babies of any two illegal aliens contained within the wombs of women who are currently Subject to the Jurisdiction.Federal Criminal Protection (Fetal Homicide): Under the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (18 U.S.C. § 1841), federal law recognizes a "child in utero" as a separate victim if they are injured or killed during the commission of certain federal crimes[1][2]. This law asserts criminal jurisdiction to prosecute the offender, but it does not establish sovereign ownership over the unborn child[1][3].Property and Estate Law (Inheritance): Under long-standing common-law doctrines inherited by U.S. states, an unborn child (in utero) is recognized as having contingent property and inheritance rights. If a parent dies intestate, the unborn child can inherit property, provided they are subsequently born alive.Tort Law (Prenatal Injury): Most U.S. jurisdictions allow a child, once born alive, to bring a civil lawsuit for injuries sustained while in the womb due to the negligence of a third party (such as a car accident or medical malpractice).Family Law (Paternity and Support): Courts can order paternity testing and establish child support obligations that begin during pregnancy, asserting jurisdiction over the biological parents' duties to the future child.Congress passes a law mandating abortion of all unborn "designer" DNA babies in wombs....Congress passes a law mandating abortion/destruction of all unborn babies constructed from Chinese-AI-controlled Gene-Sequencers currently gestated in biotanks or in human wombs existing in any part of the Planet Earth....
>>538129869I would be very interested to see this play out, I suspect it would also be shot down by the SC but it's much more iffy than this EO
>>538133120there was no previous court rulings to use for precedence?
>>538131080>Mexico owns california now.Even more grounds for Impeachment of The Suprem Court Chief Justice: "The respondents knew, or willfully blinded themselves to the fact, that foreign sovereigns possess deep motives to prevent the United States from unilaterally claiming their citizens' children. These motives include protecting their citizens from future U.S. taxation, extradition, and compulsory service in the United States military, which would force those individuals to take up arms against their native homelands."https://write.as/q1jc2dzd56xhp.md
>>538124201 Because if you stop having mercy and being good the 'Murica Freedom meme diesBetter that lady than uncle tom over here
Can anyone logically explain why is it in the interests of whites to let our country be taken over by other ethnic groups?Would it be sensible for nigerians to do that? Should nigerians become a minority in nigeria and have 300 million white people move there?Non racists are insane.
>>538131292>someone in violation of the relevant immigration statutes at the time the 14th was ratifiedYou might find that the only people migrating INTO the us during and after the Civil War were white people.. But, some people may have entered the US to make War against the United States...
