Is solar energy the future?
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>>538677576>Is solar energy the future?It's good. I also like wave power. Vertical wind power is nice.
>>538677576Unironically for the right areas, yes, that and thorium reactors, all coupled with zinc batteries.
>>538677576I've had a 6kw system on my roof for over a decade, it's not that great. It might work in the future when batteries become better and less expensive, less likely to explode as well.
>>538677576there is no future.get what you can while you can and have a blast.
>>538677576it absolutely is but not a replacement.but you're also going to have to stop all the real life Bond villains we now have on Earth that want to do dumb shit like block the sun, feed people bugs, and fucking grow meat in a lab instead of some cow's womb.
>>5386775763 hours? I don't pay for power for 10 months of the year.
I've been saying this for over a decade, energy is the new currency. Produce and sell energy at a surplus and you'll get rich.
>>538677746ID checked
>>538677576Since when do we get free anything?
For the energy cartels, the media application of green technologies for electricity generation is merely a means of continuing to control energy production and supply, by distracting from or blocking the feasibility of revolutionary alternative energy production methods, such as nuclear fusion, in the media. And this works because green energy technology usually has a positive effect on the average human being. Because it is supposedly clean, it creates new jobs and it is something people have always wanted to enforce. Green energy is not really clean, if you look at the production and maintenance costs for wind turbines, for example. It does not create new jobs either, it is just a long-term redistribution of jobs and the creation of other training occupations. This alone makes these technologies the most expensive energy production methods ever. But it is precisely this very labour- and cost-intensive technology that is very useful for the elite in other respects; it generates new credit money in this way and the collapse of the economic and financial mafia can thus be delayed a little longer for the club until the envisaged date of the apocalypse. Above all, however, it can be used to suppress genuine alternatives and revolutionary methods of energy production, such as nuclear fusion, because that is exactly what is needed now, at this time, to change something about the control of the system. Because after the catastrophes that are to be initiated, nuclear fusion will be on the table anyway, but then it will be there to implement absolute control over humanity, as a special treat, so to speak, for the new lightness of life, even if this life is then under absolute control - with carrot and stick, that is. Nuclear fusion would have to be implemented now, at this time, so that we can become free through it. ... This is what led the elite to take up the subject of green energy production and to support it in the media.
>>5386775763 hours a month?
Green energy is absolutely regressive, inefficient, expensive and only there to control the system. It is silly if you know the real reasons for its implementation and the media propaganda behind it. It does not set people free, but keeps them under the yoke of scarce energy. Green technology has nothing to do with progress, nothing at all, on the contrary, but the normal brain-sabotaged human beings do not understand this, because they think it is something that has finally become accepted because they have fought for it. And they continue to argue that it is so clean, which is not true in detail. They continue to argue that there are no other technologically safe and clean ways to produce energy. If they are then made aware of the power and monetary cartels and the system behind them, they justify themselves by saying that somebody should always be in charge of energy management. They believe it would be like public utilities that simply manage and distribute energy. That is how simple the average person thinks.
>>538677761the people growing bugs are doing it to feed chickens. it would remove assloads of surplus grain from circulation, and that is incredibly based.>>538677576solar only became viable in australia because the GOVERNMENT doled out rebate vouchers for in-house (single serve) battery storage. it’s cool, but it won’t work like that in america.massive upfront costs in a country where everyone is in debt, losing plan. makes it so that solar guys look like bourgeois faggots, and to be fair, they are.correct urban design, bicycle adoption, and 3rd world starvation solves the climate crisis. still, big windmills are based, and ive never seen a nigger or a mexican work on them, especially not out in the ocean.
With nuclear fusion, the production of energy-intensive food would no longer be a problem, or the production of products that were previously unprofitable. Space travel, colonisation of foreign celestial bodies, energy-intensive transport systems, production of all kinds of goods and commodities by energy-eating molecular transformers, and the discovery of new fields of science would be further potential of nuclear fusion. Progress and prosperity, social prosperity. Dissolution of oppressive systems of rulers and social and financial hotbeds, gigantic developments. ... This means that people would have to take to the streets not only for groundbreaking free energy production methods, but also for the suppression and undermining of nuclear fusion, also to make it clear to the elites that they know that the development and implementation is manipulated. The people must stand up for the implementation of nuclear fusion. Nuclear fusion must be implemented at the same time as free energy production methods if freedom is to be achieved at all. Because "free" energy production methods alone will not be able to cover the mass of energy requirements in all areas. Industrially produced energy is always needed for industry and certain power ranges, which can be offered in enormous quantities. But nuclear fusion is being talked out of the public debate because it is said that it is not yet working properly or would be uncontrollable. That more time and research are needed, which is a badly formulated lie. But the media use of the misleading term "uncontrollable" alone is enough to push nuclear fusion out of the public discussion misleadingly over the label "dangerous". Omission, misinterpretation and information play a major role here. "Not controllable" does not mean the uncontrollability of a dangerous process, but the lack of technical implementation of a stable fusion which is necessary to be able to generate electricity at all.
>>538678041This does not therefore mean core meltdown or the like. For many people the blinkers close just hearing the word "core", they immediately associate it with nuclear fission. That is a real shame.
>>538678008>yoke of green energy>yoke of oil companieswait, tell me why the first one is worse.
>>538677576It's not free electricity. somebody has to pay for the solar panels. Yes, solar panels produce electricity when nobody needs it. That is not an efficient way to produce electricity. Electricity grids require consistent power output, which solar cannot provide.
>>538677786Explain.
>>538677620FPBPStay free from both ruskies and drafters
>>538678087those are both the same
>>538677576Yes.
>>538678096That's why you build batteries, and plants where you can burn biomass/trash/nat gas whenever the sun isn't shining. Hydroelectric plants work too if there are rivers. Solar panels are obviously not the whole solution, but a big part of it nevertheless.
>>538678104The sun is out and hitting my solar panels and charging my batteries for 10 months of the year. The batteries run down to about 30% overnight if I'm using everything. For the other 2 months, it's winter and there's less sun hitting them, I usually end up drawing some from the grid.
>Is solar energy the future?Lol no, it's the present. In my workplace around 80% of the electric bill is 0 thanks to our solar panels. The cost of installing them was paid off in 3 years lmao. It's really fucking free energy (at least in Spain).
I know it is probably obvious, but OP pic is untrue. A few companies started doing "free hours" where you don't pay for electricity, but it is always at shit times. In fact power is more expensive than ever, pretty much every power company put their prices up by like 20% this year. And they've also all lowered the amount you get paid for feeding into the grid if you have solar excess go the point it's barely even worth doing.Nuclear was the solution we should have implemented decades ago but boomers blocked it because they're NIMBY retards.
>>538678258Does your setup cost so much that you break even after 15 years?
>>538678145Everything requires oil
>>538678385My setup came with my house.
>>538678235Battery farms routinely explode.
>>538678385>>538678442Quick math shows yeah about 15 years to break even, if I was to buy new panels and batteries now.In the meantime I have power off-grid when I need it, I'm not impacted by price fluctuations, and I make money off any excess generated.
>>538677576Dumb question.Would adding millions of acres of solar panels cause extra heating of air currents? Or make no difference?
>>538678510Seems more like a vandalism problem if that is common where you live.
How long do solar panels last? How long before you have to respend billions to replace vast acres of solar farms and somehow dispose of the old trash in an ecologically responsible way?Why not just build new gen nuclear reactors? Stick them in the middle of Aus. You could build hundreds of them, an entire nuclear city hundreds upon hundreds of miles from anywhere. Safe, clean, effective. Enough energy to run the whole country multiple times over for centuries. Enough energy to pipe out to other countries for profit.No no lets keep throwing money at renewables that are barely sufficient at best and will need replacing as soon as they start to recoup their costs (if they ever do).
>>538677650your blubber should be rendered down for heating oil, like a whale.
>>538677980>3 hours a month?goy.... 3 hours. that is it. 2 hours is a lot. what do you need with 1 free hour of electricity?
>>538678677>Why not just build new gen nuclear reactors?well you see, we're being flooded with niggers and jeets (who are also niggers). these places will melt down.
>>538677746>there is no future.this
>>538678104He is lying just like Op.I have panels on my house , packing shed and loading bays and I haven't noticed a difference on my bills it says I'm loading into the grid but it's still more expensive than ever.
>>538677746>>538678920This is true only for angloids. The rest of the world will carry on and prosper.
>>538678096Why are you pretending to know what you are talking about? That is why synchronous condensers exist.
>>538677687Thorium reactors produce more weapon grade uranium than normal Uranium reactors
>>538677576Its a scam perpetuated by some cunning hook nose Jews.New electricity plan is required to get the "free" electricity, where daily supply charge is increased, as well as all other tariffs (peak/off peak, control load).Smart meter is required.Hot Water system uses Control Load circuit timer and metering, which is not the same circuit that can just use the "free" electricity.Hot water can temporary override tariffs by pressing the boost button, to get the "free" electricity. Don't fall for it, the same Jews pushing car rego cash back scam, requiring contracting to the digital ID.
>>538677620based
>>538678677>Why don't they stick nuclear reactors in the desert?Because it requires large amounts of water to cool, also you would put it near the population centres so you can distribute it cheaper/more effectively. Nuclear reactors are also one of the most expensive things to build and always go over budget and over time.
>>538678895Then I move to Aus and get to larp as a nomadic survivor driving a pursuit special chasing down homosexual biker gangs and eating dog food.It's a win win.
>>538679029Do you have a source to back that up, from what I remember thorium fluoride reactors mostly create U-233, which yes can be used to make weapons but it much less ideal than U-235. In any case you'd probably be better off with a dedicated breeder reactor anyways if it's weapons grade material you're after.
>>538677576In a roundabout way, yes.
>cover land with non-recyclable, 20% 'efficient' panels, and within a decade, fill that same land with them
>>538679109>Nuclear reactors are also one of the most expensive things to build and always go over budget and over time.nigger they pissed away a trillion+ on duplicating a power grid we already paid offfuck off
>>538677980A day, Louie; a day!
>>538678982They never pay you equal to the amount you put in, maybe like 1/10th of it.They SLURP up your power during primetime but because they also run solar panels they pay you pennies. Meanwhile when it's not so sunny and nice out they charge more to make up for it and said "more" will be magically worth 10x what they paid you for the stuff you sold them.It has to do with your specific market I imagine, because if your area is already saturated with solar panels there's legitimately nothing to do with said power and it's worth nothing (they still charge people who don't have them at this time lmao), and when it gets cloudy / dark out the power has to be made up with something else anyway.They have to turn a profit / break even so saturation is not actually good for them or you and can just wipe out your initial investment's potential gains.
>>538678289Let me guess. Purchase price heavily subsidised by the gov?>>538679543Everything goes over budget and over time when Australia's retarded politicians get involved. Especially the greentards.
>>538679460Looks like an aftermath of a storm. You can even see the untouched solar farms in the background.
>>538677813It has to be energy in an area with demand for it, solar panels at saturation don't make any money. It has to be produced in the right place for the right customer, solar panels in the middle of nowhere aren't this and are an indication that they overinvested.>But it's free tho!They will make their money back one way or another, they won't just say YUP I lost a couple billion oh well haha!, btw take this free shit!
>>538679645Spain is hot without clouds in many areas.With pretty much all environment sources of energy they scale exponentially, not linearly, so solar panels in spain / australia will be worth several times ones in england / sweden in terms of productivity.This is also true of wind speed, which scales cubically, so there are plenty of places that actually can get near-free wind energy (flyover nobody lives there though). but likewise lower than average wind means you're getting basically nothing.Basically environmental energy is... all based on the environment. It's near-free in many areas, and in many other areas it's the worst most retarded idea possible. No comparison between medditeranean sun vs english "sun."
>>538679109They don't have to be expensive. south korea builds them affordably.
>>538678982Here faggot.Just because your setup is trash doesn't mean everyone is lying.
solar australia or water australia, the great debate unfolds>>538677576>>538678103
>>538679986solar crocs it is
>>538677953Fusion is not being suppressed by wind and solar; it is not commercially available yet, while wind and solar are deployable now and, according to the IEA, cheaper than fossil and non fossil alternatives in most countries. also not an argument for fossil fuels. every energy system has material impacts, but fossil fuels require continuous extraction and combustion forever, while wind and solar need upfront materials and then generate without fuel.>>538678008wind and solar are being deployed because they are commercially available now and their generation costs are lower than fossil and non fossil alternatives in most countries. cope more>>538678041Fusion is not being suppressed. It is receiving massive public and private funding, with more than 160 fusion facilities operational, planned or under construction globally. sustained net electricity to the grid has not been commercially demonstrated. NIF achieved scientific ignition, meaning more fusion energy than laser energy delivered to the target, not a working power plant. ITER’s stated goal is still to demonstrate fusion power at power plant scale. So arguing we should reject wind and solar today because fusion might transform civilisation later is not serious energy policy. It is postponing deployable solutions for a technology that is not yet commercially available.
>>538679860Not necessarilySolar panels are less efficient when they get hotA cloudless day in relatively cold temperatures can be a lot more productive than a warm summers day in terms of solar panel power outputThis is why some high end industrial installations include water cooling systems
>>538677620Go get butchered in Ukraine you unpatriotic fuckface
>>538679029Which in turn can be made into weapons we can use on india and china
>>538677576not in the north, we dont get enough sun to justify the cost. it will take decades to break even then by that point batteries will need to be replaced.
>>538679962Fail.
>>538678982Skill issue. 6kw system makes your power bills $0 during the summer months.
>>538679645We got no help from the gov, but other people get around 50% of the cost. They make retard requirements so it's really easy to miss, for example, like us, because we paid some money in advance.
>>538678677>nuclearStop being antisemitic
Here's what my solar panels did today on a sunny winters day on the gold coast.
>>538680147Yes, you lose some efficience when they are hot, but that's not a problem. You lose 10%?, just add 10% more panels lmao. They are cheap as shit.Ofc this only works if you have a lot of sun and a lot of cheap land.
Today is one of the really rare days when we got a cloudy sky.
>>538681000Bloody hell have you got a football field of panels?
>>538681159Those are at my factory. The upper ones in this pic are from our neighbors.
>>538679930In south korea the entire country belongs to a single corporation which makes the phones for everyone on earth and everyone is regularly dying from brain aneurisms from overwork.>>538679543>Renewables are going to cost a billion trillion dollarydoosMajority of the grids were sold off to foreign equity decades ago. Money is fake and doesn't matter. They will just print more and import more indians.
>>538677576>>538677620They go hand in hand>free green energyOy vey
>>538682134the south korean nuclear power plants are all the exact same design and they've built lots of them and are very efficient at it. That's why it is affordable and we can either replicate their system or buy one from them. Nuclear does not need to be expensive
>>538677576Free electricity?Quick! Someone, send the Jew signal! "For some reason", when you're poor, you need a loiysense to exercise that freedom.
>>538677576Probably. Seems like different areas need different things, as surprising as that might seem. Like a solar farm would work pretty well in Australia. But maybe no so much in Michigan, but don't tell the liberals that.
>>538677576My work's parking lot is 200'x 2000' +/-At 20W per square foot per google, they could be making 8kW peak nearly every day as this is a semi-arid area.I don't understand why they don't just do that
>>538677687You don't even need batteries. Just build a hill with a train track on it. Put a train car on it full of weight and use the generated power to raise the rain up the hill, and use the train to store the power, letting it roll down as needed. Simple, clean, effective.
>>538677576free leccy, bonza
You know who else likes solar energy? Commies
>>538678258So you only dump batteries in the ocean once every 8 years?Now multiple that number by the billion people they want using batteries.
>>538682448Probably ineffective to mechanical losses. Pumping water up and back down would likely be better.
>>538677576Australia is a huge dry desert/scrubland that's sunny year round, so solar is great there. Wouldn't work too well in England.
>>538677576Let me know when the other 21 hours of the day are free too.
>>538677576Sounds like SOMEONE could use some extra DATA CENTERS with all the FREE ELECTRICITY huh. :^)
>>538682577They already use that system. They put a screw-like prop inside the water pipe and its pretty.efficeint.
>>538679460>energy production produces wasteOh no! What will we do with all this non-hazardous material after it has given us a decade of power?
>>538677576china has built a solar park that peaks at 21 gw nuclear is redundant
>>538678677Nuclear is expensive as shit, very slow to come online, AND you're dependent on nations that produce Uranium. France has to stay ass deep in the Congo for it.>>538682694They're also investing a lot on reactors, it isn't a black and white thing. But solar is just much much cheaper.
>>538682694Then why has China been buying those mini nuclear reactors from Russia?
>>538682758>They're also investing a lot on reactorsIf you mean buying them from Russia then yes
>>538682644Archimedes is SMILING
>>538679460I would think you could easily sell the scrap aluminum
>>538682758Nuclear is cheap if you dont have infinite red tape making it take decades to build one
>>538678332If you're in a region offering 'free', batteries start to become the deal.Charge up off peak hours, draw during.Sodium batteries are rolling out now. They'll be bigger than an equivalent Lithium cell (and if we're talking about anything that will meaningfully offset your power expenses, it's going to be big), but Sodium is cheap, and especially in a house, much safer.Still going to be a big upfront cost, and the more people that get the hint, the less you're going to get out of 'free'.But the options are now on the table that really weren't there before. Or at least, there will be. A few companies finally pushing some significant product to market. Likely all commercial users, but ignoring the risks of Chinesium, there will be more than enough vendors pushing large units to consumers. Certainly would feel better about a Temu sodium cell over lithium, at least.
>>538682812Rosatom is huge and has collaborative projects with CNNC in China but the Chinese are making their own now.
>>538677746There unironically is no future, and no past. The present is the only real thing. Future and past are purely mental projections, fantasies of the mind.
>>538684186the past is based on the present and the future will become the presentthe future you can influence so the present will be enjoyable
>>538677576No not really because the panels only last 15ish years.
>>538679460>non-recyclableLmao, you can't actually be this retarded
>>538684383They last far longer than 15 years, where are you guys getting this shit from. By 20 years they're guaranteed to still be performing at 75% of original capacity.
>>538684463>where are you guys getting this shit fromTen year old fossil fuel lobby propaganda, repeating figures from twenty years ago.The efficiency, cost effectiveness, lifespan, and recyclability of solar panels has increased massively in the past twenty years, mainly by the Chinese. And that's not including battery tech advancing even more.
>>538684546I presume this is all people brainwashed by fossil fuel lobby. Solar costs very little to install, makes you energy self-sufficient for decades, it's basically the perfect energy source when paired with a battery. You can be completely off-grid if you want and never pay a power bill again. Which would be devastating for fossil fuel companies, which I guess if why they lie to chuds about how ineffective it is, because they're the only ones dumb enough to believe it.
>>538684350*the present is based on the past
>>538680310You first, kike. Oh, and nice flag, (((anon))).Imagine being a meme flag defending the Ukraine and pretending to not be a subhuman poojew.
>>538684383my panels are from 2003 and they get buried in snow regularly, got 6 of them and only one of them failed because of birdshit corroded through cheap chink wiring, went from lead acid to lithium battery bank about 10 years ago which was the only expense after getting them
Solar is amazing if you can install the gear yourself.I put 1k worth of panels (+fixations and other electronics) on my roof in march and I'm getting around 12-17kwh generated every day. Aint got no batteries yet since those are expensive but I use about 50% of that power (90% on big heatwave day to drive my AC).For June last month that was 450kwh gen'd of which 60% avg got used so about 50 bucks saved. Lifetime of the panels probs gonna be 30yrs but I reckon they're gonna pay themselves pretty soon. Thinken of getting an electric car as well and slash another ~120eurobucks of the monthly gas bill.
