I'm what you guys would call a woke SJW. I'm a Liberal Democrat, college student. I support socialism, oppose racism, oppose nationalism, etc.One of my best friends is a Neo-Confederate who defends slavery. I have a lot of Neo-Confederate friends but most just say the Civil War was about tariffs or states' rights or something. This friend argues it was about slavery, but argues slavery is based since it benefitted the white man, and if we whites can and are able to enslave blacks and make them our servants, no reason not to. He argues against my appeals to universalism, human rights, and utilitarianism (which is, I know, a different line of reasoning) and says the world would be better for whites, which is what he cares about, if it colonized and enslaved the world permanently.
>>538955509Nigger
>>538955509>>538955848Double nigger.
>>538955509triple-nigger hattrick
>>538955509Lots of words to say you’re a retarded faggot with no life experience
>>538957002Or maybe I have something called an education
>>538955509>but argues slavery is based since it benefitted the white man, and if we whites can and are able to enslave blacks and make them our servants, no reason not toThis prevents people from innovating and also takes away what would otherwise be an important tax base.
>>538955509These meme flags are all Greece. This board is nothing but a blog for Greece.
>>538957080Tax can only be levied against the productive capacity of a nation. It's a portion of proceeds of productivity.Productivity can be measured as outputs - inputsIf slavery produces higher net outputs than inputs, because even though slaves are less productive on gross than a free person, their input costs are so much less... than it would theoretically increase the amount of available productivity for a government to tax.Not defending slavery but this argument doesn't make sense. There's a reason slave owners chose slaves over free labor, the cost savings from not having to pay them overrode the loss in gross productivity, overall they were more productive on net.
>>538955509You're an OP so you're a faggot..That's all I needed to read. Fucking slide thread bitch.
>>538955509Niggers are fucking retarded and science literally proves it. Even most Redditors agree like you.Give a random nigger an IQ test and he will score sub 100. Of course this isn't his fault it's the fault of the white man.Anyway I'm glad that the Supreme Court banned "race-conscious admissions" for Universities. Already more Whites and Asians are being admitted.Niggers can work at Wing Stop and fuck up my order.Browns and niggers fuck everything up pic related. Hope I helped with your argument OP.
>>538955509I dunno, from the current political climate your fellows would lump you with us simply because you would consider our opinion worth listening to.But to answer your question, the slave system is what is currently encouraging garbage policies like for-profit prisons which lead to social issues like repeat offenders are allowed to basically commit crimes in return for community service. Slavery encourages the existence of fent demons/crackheads and the tolerance of violent illegals who can likewise be shoved into a license plate factory to work for practically no wage, and the public bears the consequences of their and the businesses who would allow them there's actions.THAT should get into his head why it is distasteful for a just, conservative society.
Help clarify what, you never ended up asking a question you spiritual nigger.Anyway, the fact that the civil war wasn't about slavery is proven with two very simple facts you can vomit into any AI handholding simulator to verify.The removal of slavery was done via the 13th amendment. The emancipation proclamation on freed the slaves in the states that were in rebellion to the union. If the state sat down and shut up and didn't cause problems the north was more than happy to let them keep their slaves. As such, it couldn't have been about slavery you retard.Now. With that said. Your friend is a retard as well. Slavery is stupid for two very salient points. 1, it's inefficient when contrasted with a properly functioning incentive system. That's why we moved away from it, not due to any sort of appeal to human rights nonsense. You really think corporations or the elite or whoever your boogieman is care about you / other people / freedoms / etc. ? Laughable.2. The main problem with racial or chattel slavery however (because economic systems can survive inefficiencies) is that it gives an excuse to have a (probably inferior, but not always, don't feel like getting into it here) people living amongst your own. No level of artificial separation will keep the people's blood separate indefinitely. Look at what happened with India and their caste system. Rigid and strict, but they all ended up a brown mess regardless over millennia.tl:dr; civil war is provably not about slavery, and also slavery is undesirable from the perspective of any serious racist, only the larping manchild approves.
>>538957582Funny enough this doesn't change the argument at all.Even if black people are lower IQ on aggregate, and on average, it doesn't mean they deserve to be denied basic human rights. It doesn't mean that a black person should be compelled to work for free for someone else. It just means that not everyone is born with the same gift.We had this exact discussion and I even acknowledged the whole Kevin MacDonald argument
>>538955509What a coincidence. Ive seen this beforeWhat you need to do, op, is stand in front of your friend. Drop to your knees. And suck that cockThats right, op. Go ahead and slobber all over your friend's knob. You fucking faggot.
>>538957592I am very against for profit prisons but he would argue that's just an inefficient democratic version of doing it where the only way to justify slavery was to first convict someone of a crime. For profit prisons with crony capitalism is very different from just mass enslavement and putting everyone on a planation to work for profit.>>538957634>The removal of slavery was done via the 13th amendment. The emancipation proclamation on freed the slaves in the states that were in rebellion to the union. If the state sat down and shut up and didn't cause problems the north was more than happy to let them keep their slaves. As such, it couldn't have been about slavery you retard.Not worth reading beyond this, even my friend would call you an uneducarted loser for espousing this garbage point. Maryland and Virginia don't at all dispute the narrative that the civil war was about slavery. You're entirely uneducated and that's irrelevant to the argument.I respect the opinions of anyone educated, you clearly lack education
>>538957714Yeah well they already have "basic human rights" and they can get EBT and SNAP. My Mexican friend with no job was denied EBT because it's for niggers only.This is also because they will chimp out and the government employee getting paid $18 per hour isn't going to deny a she boon for her EBT.I don't think anyone is trying to take away "basic human rights" we even have them for disabled and crippled people.Of course this is "equality vs equity" we have equality but equity says "GIVE ME ALL YOUR SHIT" which is probably what you want because you're 18 and in college for some libtard humanities course.
>>538957714>Even if black people are lower IQ on aggregate, and on average, it doesn't mean they deserve to be denied basic human rights. It doesn't mean that a black person should be compelled to work for free for someone else. It just means that not everyone is born with the same gift.I actually agree with you entirely. I simply take it to the logical next step.If they are less capable, society does not benefit from having them (as opposed to if they were magically replaced 1:1 with europeans or asians). As such, any and all affirmative action or attempts at dealing with inequity is only serving to hinder advancement of society and mankind itself.Resources spent on caring for them would be better spent caring for higher IQ populations so they can eventually birth with greater frequency individuals who would make advancements to said society. tl:dr; You need a large base to create the exceptional outliers, so make sure your large base is as high quality as possible.
>>538957879>Yeah well they already have "basic human rights"Yes, thanks to Lincoln. If the Neo-Confederates had their way they wouldn't.>I don't think anyone is trying to take away "basic human rights" we even have them for disabled and crippled people.My friend is arguing they should be rounded up and sold as property to white slave owners, who can rape, torture, force them to work, and separate them from their families.That's a violation of basic human rights.
>>538958065You don't have to give them any resources, you just let the market forces do it's thing.If they're lower IQ, they won't be able to get into the best universities, they won't be able to become A.I Executives, they won't be able to make a ton of money in science or finance, but they'll still be able to live and exist by providing value where they still can. They will still be able to work retail, or do manual labor, or whatever it is they do.
>>538955509>white people are good because we're destroying Americas woodlandcertainly a take
>>538958160>You don't have to give them any resources, you just let the market forces do it's thing.And yet we are doing such to this day, unfathomable amounts of money spent on addressing something that can never be satisfied. And were you to attempt to argue with your perceived political peers and allies this position, they would shun you and call you a nazi.
>>538958092All the black chicks will throw themselves at your friend and then he will buck break them and create the next generation of single mothers.Most American Blacks are like 50% black at most. Even quadroons consider themselves black.This is because Southern confederates like him drown in black pussy.Anyway you shouldn't be racist 24/7 but you should be wary of a homeless black man about to pop you in the back of a head in an alleyway at night.
>https://youtu.be/N5m1W4jECn0
>>538958297>Most American Blacks are like 50% black at most.It's 80%, I forget the source but there was some look at massive amounts of (freely given) genetic data. >Even quadroons consider themselves black.This is true, but for varying reasons. Identification doesn't change the reality, however, you get massive amounts of funding and opportunities for being black so there's zero reason not to. Same thing in Canada and Australia for claiming to be Aborigine.
>>538958291There's a lot of Liberals that want minorities and LGBTQ+ to have rights but also understand we need fiscal responsibility.We're dealing with people like Matt Walsh who want to fully ban transgender healthcare, and people like my friend who want to re-enslave blacks, or people like Stephen Miller that want people sent to worse-than-death camps in Latin america.>>538958297How the fuck would my friend who's born and raised in New England and went to all white private schools in New England ever even be near a black person?This is retardation
>>538958443>>It's 80%, I forget the source but there was some look at massive amounts of (freely given) genetic data.No, no, no OP you fact check this RIGHT NOW!I'm not letting you off on this. Black are like 10% of the population at most. They have way less racial preference.And how many generations since lets say 1776? Slaves were here before 1776 from the Spanish and Portuguese you know.
>>538958444>minoritiesWhite people are a global minority and we get chosen last for jobs in our own countries. Yay, white privilege!
>>538958444checked.>LGBTQ+ to have rightsThey already had the same amount of rights as any other person, this is an absurd protest.Murdering them is still illegal, as is assault and whatever else.And any attempts at saying something along the line of workplace discrimination should instead be met with "there shouldn't be a special exemption for alphabet mental illness, instead all people should be protected from workplace unfairness e.g. non-job related firings or whatever". They're making it a faggot issue when it should be a worker issue.>>538958558"You see all of those different ancestries in each of these groups," Bryc explains. The average African-American genome, for example, is 73.2% African, 24% European, and 0.8% Native American, the team reports online today in The American Journal of Human Genetics. Latinos, meanwhile, carry an average of 18% Native American ancestry, 65.1% European ancestry (mostly from the Iberian Peninsula), and 6.2% African ancestry.https://www.science.org/content/article/genetic-study-reveals-surprising-ancestry-many-americansImagine being too dumb to look it up.
>>538958867>They already had the same amount of rights as any other person, this is an absurd protest.In the 1950s gay men could be arrested and thrown in asylums where they were treated worse than holocaust victims.They only got the same rights after a supreme court case.>stead be met with "there shouldn't be a special exemption for alphabet mental illness, instead all people should be protected from workplace unfairness e.g. non-job related firings or whatever". They're making it a faggot issue when it should be a worker issue.A business should be allowed to fire a worker for whatever reason they want, it's THEIR business.
>>538957298>Muh productivityKill yourself. Slaves took away jobs from heritage Americans so their owners could reap more profits.
>>538955944Triple nigger
>>538955986mo-mo-mo-mo-mo-mo-monster nigger...nigger....nigger
>>538959073>In the 1950s gay men could be arrested and thrown in asylums where they were treated worse than holocaust victims.We were talking about X, you brought up Y.This is entirely irrelevant.>A business should be allowed to fire a worker for whatever reason they want, it's THEIR business.I can accept this argument, however that simply means that they should be entitled to ire someone for being trans (or being black) and the entirety of the protected classes needs to be removed from the civil rights banner. In which case based.
>>538958867OK so that's 73% African lmao all niggers are fucking mutts. Meanwhile I'm 100% European. That means none of my ancestors even looked at a nigger.Maybe it's the racial admixture that makes them chimp out because 100% Africans always seem nicer at least in America.
>>538959230>We were talking about X, you brought up Y.I'm talking about the history of marginalized communities.You're talking about gays in 2026.Nothing you said was relevant.>I can accept this argument, however that simply means that they should be entitled to ire someone for being trans (or being black) and the entirety of the protected classes needs to be removed from the civil rights banner. In which case based.THey should but i would boycott that business.
>>538957714Niggers aren't even conscious you fucking idiot. 90% of them have zero internal thoughts. Their biggest accomplishment is fuckin peanut butter. Same with beaners and jeets, ZERO inventions or accomplishments ever. Only Whites and Asians are fully human.
>>538959092>Kill yourself. Slaves took away jobs from heritage Americans so their owners could reap more profits.Increasing productivity and boosting GDP is what allows heritage Americans to have jobsRot in hell racist.
>>538955509Slavery is retarded, it stunts the productive spirit of your own population and creates unsolvable class divisions and strife. The wealthy will replace local labor with cheaper slave labor over time, and often leads to war to get more slaves. Both Rome and the Islamic world ran into this issue, you keep needing to raid or conquer for new slaves to keep your economy afloat.And them you have to deal with the grievances of a constantly hostile population (slave revolts) and have to worry about not being outbred by them in your own home.Rome attempted to solve this by trying to integrate the slave underclass (crisis of the third century, Carcalla’s Antoninian Edict, institutional Christianity, etc). Didnt work, their culture and empire crumbled once once the slaves outnumbered their masters because they did nit have the will or desire to keep it going.The islamists tried to avoid this by castrating their slaves, but this just forced them into a death spiral of infinite raiding and a lack of innovation. As soon as their rivals (Age of Sail Europe and China) outpaced them, they ran into a wall. Slave raiding dried up, economy shrivelled up and dies, and the arab/ottoman populations were too despondent/dependant to muster the will to fix it. Maintaining a permanently aggrieved underclass is a like holding a sword of damocles over your civ’s head.And of course mixing between populations will occur if they are forced to live in such close space over generations, and even if you dont agree with the “racist” interpretation of “dysgenics”, one can quite easily imagine just the myriad of cultural problems that might emerge from the general messiness/blurring of lines between who is part if the slave population and who is not.
>>538959411Dude why are you resorting to insults? I thought this was a place to have a civil conversation and talk about nigs...
>>538959411How about I burn down your house to increase gdp you turbo retard?
>>538959578To someone who threatened my life? They belong in a Federal Prison>>538959587Because that would decrease real GDP
>>538959111Nice trips my quadruple nigger
>>538959558This has to be the dumbest shit I've ever heard.Without cheap labor, your own people will never get high paying jobs. The rich only get rich off the low wages of the poor. I oppose it for moral reasons, but only a retard would oppose it for economic reasons.
>>538957028>studentYou don't though. Academia is dead. You aren't even getting one.
>>538959652Go read the broken window fallacy dipshit. Here, here's another for you to contemplate. Your friend can pay you $100 to eat a pile of dogshit, and you can pay him $100 to eat a pile of dogshit. Wham bam, you just generated $200 in gdp.
>>538955509Both whites and blacks were better off during slavery. Blacks had jobs and couldn't rape and murder whites. And whites didn't have to fear for their safety around blacks. You can judge for yourself whether slavery was right or wrong by the results that have followed abolishing it in America.
>>538959655So many doubles and triples ina thread calling OP.a niggerHe is with us
>>538957714Niggers don't deserve basic human rights because they're not human in the first place. All shitskins are not the same species as actual humans - Europeans.
>>538959698OK well if you're a barista you are never going to be paid more than $20 per hour. So maybe go into STEM and become a based AI engineer or a drone pilot and kill browns. Then you can have a high pay salary and shit on broke ass niggas working at wingstop.You have to have SKILLS not skills like posting with a flag on 4chan all day debating troons and Neo nazis like me.You need to learn systems engineering or become a banker and become based and red pilled and fuck niggers pilled.Also I am an Electrical Engineer and some of my co workers are brown and make good chicken shawarma so I'm not entirely racist! It's OK to be a little racist OP! Try it sometime!
>>538955509>but argues slavery is based since it benefitted the white manIt didn't benefit the White man, it benefited the planter while it pushed most White men to marginal lands and forced them to compete with slave labor. Also a socialist wouldn't call himself a liberal, even though that's obviously what you are if you oppose racism and nationalism like capitalists
>>538959881Asians are human as well, they've actually invented things and contributed to the world. Whites and Asians are the only real humans, everyone else should be eliminated with a biologically engineered virus.
>>538955509What an incredibly useless memeflag thread, and imagined scenario
>>538955509You live in two different mental realities. One that is cringe, the other that is based. Never will the twain meet.
>>538955509Slavery did not benefit whites. It put poor whites out of a job so some fat cats could get wealthy. The founding fathers were against it. Blacks should not be on this continent
>>538955509>I'm a Liberal Democrat>I support socialism>Anarchist FlagBAIT!
>>538955509>I'm a Liberal Democrat>One of my best friends is a Neo-Confederatecute fag couple, but you're both retarded>but argues slavery is based since it benefitted the white manhe's extra retarded
>>538959778>Broken window fallacyThat proves my point you fucking retard. >Your friend can pay you $100 to eat a pile of dogshit, and you can pay him $100 to eat a pile of dogshit. Wham bam, you just generated $200 in gdp.That wouldn't boost real productivity or purchasing power stupid.
>>538959928Baristas actually are richer than engineers when you account for tips and the fact that they don't pay taxes.
>>538959764You're a sex predator.>>538959801The people that got "raped" by blacks all had fetishes for them. To Kill a Mocking Bird proved it.
>>538960052>It didn't benefit the White man, it benefited the planter while it pushed most White men to marginal lands and forced them to compete with slave labor.It only benefitted white workers, not plantation owners since their margins got bid downs.
>>538960095This is all you and your friends talk about, you're ragebaiting too.
>>538960541Tips are taxable. In the US (and most places), tip income is wages. Baristas report it and pay income tax (and usually payroll taxes) on it. Cash tips don’t make the income non-taxable; underreporting is illegal, not a loophole.Engineers still earn more on typical pay. Software engineers’ median total pay is usually well into six figures in many markets. Baristas, even with tips, are often closer to low-to-mid five figures depending on city and shop. Tips help, but they don’t close that gap at the median.So: baristas do get tipped, and they do pay taxes. That framing doesn’t make them richer than engineers.
>>538960513You don't even know what productivity is you fuckin jeet. Kys and your homo boyfriend.
>>538955509White people didn't own slaves, jews did. Jews were less than 1% of the colonial population but nearly 85% of jewish households owned slaves, and all of the auction houses and slave ships were owned by jewish businessmen. Jews were overrepresented in the slave trade by nearly 50,000%, statistically. I am telling you this not because I expect you to understand or admit to anything, but because I know you are a shill, I know this is bait, and I know you're only here to make our board a worse and less interesting place overall. Maybe you're paid, or maybe you're doing it for free. In the end, it doesn't really matter.And instead of playing your game, I'm flipping the table and refuting a point you are attempting to take for granted, which was white involvement with slavery in the first place. Slavery was never a white institution. The chief slavers in history were niggers, arabs, and jews, in that order. White people are, if anything, one of the biggest victims of slavery, and slavery was ended primarily because the white rich men you loathe so much decided to end it because it offended them. You cannot subscribe to a worldview that argues that Africa should belong to the africans and they should have total power to decide what they do with it, that indigenous land should belong to those people and they should have total power to decide what to do with it, but then pretend that white people shouldn't own white lands and have the total authority to decide what to do with it. You cannot argue that the victims of slavery are entitled to so many things, while also pretending that white people were not the chief victims of slavery throughout history.This is doublethink. It is delusion and propaganda.You believe that God isn't real but He did create everyone equally. You unironically claim that everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.Your entire outlook on reality is just a combination of mental illnesses and cold war psyops.
>>538955509Your goy opinion do not amuse me.
>>538959928>just become a ZOGbot Fuck off globohomo jew
>>538957714what argument? you never even posed a question. bringing blacks into the country for slavery has been an absolute disaster by every conceivable metric and anybody who thinks it should be reinstituted instead of casting them out or even better tnd is a bigger idiot than you are.
>>538955509 The Civil War was in essence a power struggle between the New England merchant-industrialists and the Southern planters with the issue of Slavery being a vehicle for that power struggle. As for Slavery itself, it turned out to be an awful idea simply because Anglo-Saxons are too softhearted to maintain it, and New Englanders especially are too maladaptively moralistic to tolerate it, even though the consequences of ending slavery in the way that they did have been profoundly negative.
>>538955509You lost loony troon.Do the world a favor and KYS.
>>538960622>It only benefitted white workers, not plantation owners since their margins got bid downs.you're retarded
>>538960962>White people didn't own slaves, jews did. Revisionist nonsense based on moralistic cowardice. Jews were the primary slave TRADERS in the South, no question about that. The Jew has ever been an unsavory middle-man, but the idea of the Jew being the supreme upper class of the antebellum South is anachronistic, the modern reader transplanting the present situation onto the past because he can picture nothing but the present. The proof is in the Aristocracy of the South, if the Jews were the true Slaveholders and therefore the true rulers of the Antebellum South then why was Jefferson Davis, a Gentile, President of the nascent confederacy? Why then were not Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Alexander Stephens and all of the big names of Confederate leadership gentiles. And yes you'll cry "but what about Judah P. Benjamin". A mere court Jew, and the fact that he was the only truly prominent Jew at that level of government just proves what the real position of the Jew within the society of the Antebellum South was: an influential and affluent but mistrusted minority, not the true center of Southern power.>White people could never be so ruthless.Give your ancestors some credit, they did what was necessary to make something of the region. If Anglo-Americans had been more ruthless and less morally misguided then the United States wouldn't be the hellhole that it is today.
>>538960298You're dumb and uneducated, what's new?
>>538960689Your lack of education is as apparent as your subhumanity.
>>538960652Engineers make $55-60k a year, fully taxable.
>>538961661You're dumber than an uneducated crack addict in a trailer park
>>538959655That would have been legendary if you hit the quads, my quintuple nigger.
>>538962375You're uneducated white trash.
>>538955509>>538955944>>538955848>>538955986Hello I would like to offer the following view:
>>538960652>underreporting is illegalA retard... Neat!
