Previous: >>539028628Day 1,604 – Daily assessment: understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/#research▶Latest>Rallies in several Ukrainian cities against dismissal of Fedorov>Drones strikes at the airbase in Engels>Ukrainian mid-range drones attacked the Shakhtarsk Railway Station in russian-controlled Donetsk>Fedorov confirmed that he is leaving as head of MoD of Ukraine>Trump told Fox News: I think russia is ready to reach an agreement with Ukraine soon (two more weeks frfr no cap ong)>+20 ships struck in the sea of azov. 136 total>Strikes on Afipskiy, Gelendzhik and Salavat reFINEry.>Ukraine conducted the first robot amphibious landing operation in history by landing a single UGV on the Kinburn peninsula>Stanislav Luchanov (former brigade commander) and nine other soldiers of the 155th brigade have been arrested in murder probe - Zelenskyy>Strikes on Krasnodar Krai oil facilities and Moscow/Moscow Oblast>Oil depot was attacked in Mikhaylovsk, Stavropol Krai>Ukrainian Forces Strike Syzran Oil Refinery, 10 Tankers and 4 Ferries>VTB introduced restrictions on cash withdrawals in Crimea>Despite not being repaired, the moscow oil refinery has been hit again>russia's gas shortage is now acknowledged by TASS>Peskov begs the U.S to ask Ukraine to stop bombing its oil & gas infrastructure.>india asks Ukraine not to bomb its humanitarian aid to russia>Prominent Z-tard Thirteenth bottled.>Sniffings in Moscow continue. New strike.>China strongly rebukes Russia and forbids it from using Nuclear weapons in its war of aggression.>Sweden authorizes use of its Meteor Missile in Russian Territory▶Telegramrentry.org/telosint2023t.me/ukr_pics▶Intelt.me/DeepStateENodin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)▶Mapsdeepstatemap.live/enliveuamap.com/en▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik)TOURS 1-4: https://files.catbox.moe/19avc9.zip▶russian confirmed KIA updated daily: https://hochuvernut.com/
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATHBOTTOM TEXT
kill all ziggers and zigger shills
nth for political lesbians
B-b-but I baked!
>Zelenskyy doesn't have enough votes to appoint the president’s candidate for defense minister.thank god
>>539039339Lindsey Graham status?
Have the shills already claimed that the rallies against Fedorov's dismissal will somehow save Russia?
fedorov is doing a presentation right now, there's a livestream but no translation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX-aX-DlpV0
>>539039441>Lindsey Graham status?
>>539039453Give us a tl;dr.
>>539039453do a QRD once its over
>>539039451yes
TZD also keep Fedorov you dumbass Zele
>>539039404you was the last to announce, so you're OUTnice to see someone who's slower reading here than myself
>>539039441Still in heaven you fucking nigger
>>539039441probably still deadalthough, sometimes they come back to haunt you
>>539039505But they were locked in baking paralysis. But oh well. TZD.
>>539039471he's reporting about the results of his work, what he managed to achieve, what he did not and for what reasonstill watching but he mentioned a lot of resistance/sabotage from the existing army officials
>>539039339TZD
>>539039451No one gives a shit about the inconsequential shuffling of traitors within the Rat King's cabinet.
>>539039451yup they went full throttle with that metodichka. Of course they will pretend it never matters in a couple of days
>>539039404why would you even do that, baka~
>>539039181>>539039237>>539039245grim
uoooooooohhh headline dramatic ZOVerTZD
>>539039516
>>539039453notice how even your supporters cant be bothered to follow the finer workings of the most corrupt country in the worldsee also: >>539039471>>539039473
>>539039545What's the purpose of the presentation? All the "I achieved XYZ" sounds masturbatory. I'd expect him to say what should happen from now on.
>>539039287That's comforting. Prokopenko is the epitome of basedness.
>notice how even your supporters cant be bothered to follow the finer workings of the most corrupt country in the worldor perhaps its because i cant fucking speak ukrainian you kike worshiping retard
>>539039545How do you interpret it, just some PR stunt or he is actually trying to rile people up against the old army establishment?
>>539039585I am not the "most prolific shill in uhg"I just pop in from time to time to discuss the war with the trannies.
>>539039635>IhorIs that ukie-speak for Igor?
>>539039635yeah he's giga based, I would trust his opinion
>539039555>No one gives a shit about the inconsequential shuffling of traitors within the Rat King's cabinet.And yet here you are, in this thread, reading about it.Curious.Also you sucked off a tranny in thailand lmao.
>>539039655you do often reply to yourself
>>539039650>or perhaps its because i cant fucking speak ukrainian you kike worshiping retardis the problem a foreign language, or your inability to read subtitles?
humanitarian relief seggs with Lera bensina
>539039655I've never seen a single day where you haven't posted here. You are one of those people who's convinced he's the Joker to the thread.
>>539039655you didn't deny being scared of lesbians
>>539039608So that’s not Russia then is it not?Ukraine has had a culture of corruption from being russified. Russia, india and china, the asiatic swarmholes are ruled by corruption, ie globo. It literally completely openly rules those places. But then you just babble things. Really nobody should reply to little poo cretins like you because jeets aren’t worth talking to.
TzDThe russia is losingThe Global Brown is malding and coping.
>>539039608I don't understand the language you retarded bald alcoholic faggot.
Reminder that none of the ziggerian indian shills are interested in honest discussion & you should only bully them whilst posting or discussing news
>>539039700there are no subtitles it's a fucking livestream
I really, REALLY hope that TZD doesn't slow down because zlonsky fired Fedorovwe were just getting started...
>>539039655>I just pop in from time to time to discuss the war with the trannies.Hoping to suck off another tranny dick I take it?
>+11 shadow fleet vessels neutralized on July 16 by SBS drones (10 in the Black Sea, 1 in the Sea of Azov): 5 oil tankers, 1 LNG/LPG tanker, 3 bulk carriers, and 2 tugboats.>During the SBS operation "MoLoCHKa", from July 6 to July 16, 147 vessels belonging to Russia's shadow fleet were struck.>117 vessels — Sea of Azov>30 vessels — Black Sea
I'll give a TL:DR once it's over.
>>539039759thisthe russia has already lost, therefore nothing gulagshills say or do bears any relevance or should be taken as anything resembling good faith argumentsalways breathe this fact in deeply before *engaging" with them
REMINDER: Iran is actively supporting the massacre of Palestinians by arming Hamas.Iran is directly responsible for the genocide in the Gaza.
If only you knew how brown things really are
>>539039780>>539039756>>539039650You will reap the rewards of your own laziness------> >>539039833
>>539039822>11Actually not bad, considering how few of them there are still at sea.Godspeed, Based Madiar.
>>539039877stop intruding on my safe space
>>539039857Don't forget that China is genociding Russia by arming them with drones and other resources
>mass replying>double replying >replying to himselfa literal attention whoring tranny, it will debase itself in any way for a crumb of attention from internet strangers
>>539039655>from time to timeCome on Mearshie, you are here almost every waking hour.Now say thank you that I gave you a (you) fot once.
>>539039857>Iran is directly responsible for the genocide in the Gaza.Do you realize this is a bit like playing hide and seek with toddlers?Israel would take gazan land regardless of who arms them.The war in ukraine was an entirely self inflicted wound. There was no overarching set of circumstances that leads to the destruction of ukraine.ukraine asked for it.
>>539039918That's also true.I hoped President Donald J. Trump does something about the ruthless mass murderers Xi Jinping and Ayatollah Khamenei Jr.
>>539039969>you are here almost every waking hour.Do you realize the position you just put yourself in?If I am here almost every waking hour, and you "know" this to be true, then what does it say about you?
>>539039981mearshy can you tell us more about your adventures with ladyboys in Thailand?
>>539039957>>539040010deleting posts is gay
>"Today we will talk to the president again. Today we spoke on the phone," - Fedorov>TCK is subordinate to Syrsky and the General Staff, not to me; we will not resolve the mobilization issue unless we release Syrsky, — Fedorov.>"I don't need the position of Minister of Defense to be Minister of Defense. I need this position to win the war," Fedorov said.>The Ukrainian people did not come out for a specific Minister Fedorov. The Ukrainian people came out because when the initiative was seized on the battlefield and in the sky, the trajectory was broken, — Fedorov.>The Ukrainian people feel when something is happening not on the basis of the values that are cultivated here.Also the EU commission took notice of all of this like during last year's protest, currently I feel like there's a chance for course correction.
I'm glad to see that the US is striking back at the Voldemort Tehran junta again.
>>539040034There will be no course correction without intense external pressure. I don't think the G7 cares about Fedorov *that* much.
>>539040034hopefully so, syrsky needs to go die with the rest of the sovok subhumans, unfortunately zelensky is clearly beholden to those useless niggers
>>539039339Is uhg betraying Ukrainian democracy by posting during this emergency?
Imagine being pidor soldier. Your corrupt chain of command hates you, Ukrainians hate you and your comrades hate you.
>>539040011>what does it say about you?That I skim through the bakes I missed during the night or when I was busy?That's your second (you) now Mearshie, you could at least give me another spaghetti recipe for that.
>>539039555then why do ziggers try to make it look important?Ah, yeah.. shit, walls...
>>539039387>>539039399>>539039358>>539039404>>539039420FEDOROV IS LIVE RNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX-aX-DlpV0
>>539040014>mearshy can you tell us more about your adventures with ladyboys in Thailand?Imagine being paid to go to Thailand to participate in Cobra Gold.You will never know how great military service in the Pacific can be. I intend to keep it that way.
>>539040088G7 isn't the lynchpin, the EU and its 90 billion loan ishttps://xcancel.com/SavchenkoReview/status/2077658539972075803#mThe commission presides over it as far as I'm aware.
>>539040031I agree, I dun goofed
>>539039654>rile people up against the old army establishmentnot getting this kind of a vibe, but he mentioned he once did a proposal to remove Syrsky, lol
>>539040120I know it's shocking, scatzuca, but people have the right to protest in most countries.
Cordon bleu for lunch. I kinda like chicken keef more these days, way juicier. We are comfy, russniggers are dismayed. This comfy fact will always neutralize any hooked agitator and shill.
>>539039471>>539039545Right now he's talking about us choosing if he stays or notTHIS IS A DEMOCRACY BABYYYY
>>539040136>FEDOROV IS LIVE RN>4 people viewing now!!!kind of tells you where you stand, doesnt it?
>>539040142The EU is part of the G7.
>>539039655>from time to time>does it 27/7seems to be clinical already, if you believe that yourselfgo to see a shrink again
>>539040164>63,732>4 peopleKEKDead ziggers like you still amaze me
>>539040142>64k viewers watching nowBased Fedorov.
>>539040165The EU also contains more than a few G7 members. Also doesn't change the lynchpin status, current US, JP and UK support could not replace EU support.
>>539040195Please don't bully them too bad they're not good at calculating ratios.
>>539039687>Also you sucked off a tranny in thailand lmaoonly because his wiener is too short to suck himself
>>539040213It's okay, they'll never learn to cope right
>>539040136You niggers are the dumbest cßttle imaginabke, this is just as embarrassingly atroturfed as the stupid NABU ”protests”.Whoever owns this federov guy plainly is the same as owned the NABU people.Nobody believes anyone thinks they can ”protest” in Ukranda, or that the government would do anything except what happened to the anti-TCK protestors.
>>539040256Seethe tranny
>>539040247>It's oka-ACKKKKKK
>chart of lost vs gained territory (oct 25 > june 26)>acting asymmetrically is extremely important>cutting off starlink was a complete gamechanger, russians have no replacement for it
>>539039655>I just pop in from time to time to discuss the war with the trannies.Chug is down the hall to your left.
>>539040213Hurr-durr math is racist
>>539040289>I'm whi-AAACK
>>539040256Cope
>"Actually, when the president said he doesn't plan to dismiss Syrskyi, I said that I agree—it's his decision as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and I'll learn to work with him. But we've encountered a complete blockade of all our initiatives. And Syrskyi isn't ready to openly discuss problems face-to-face. He's ready to attend meetings, weave intrigues, think that someone's ordering campaigns against him. And he issued an ultimatum. And instead of figuring out how to asymmetrically defeat Russia, he figured out how to fracture the country."Does Sirsky have a video of Zelensky fucking kids or what, why is he so protected
>>539040125What an annoying bitch.
>16.668%TOTALBONDDEATH
>>539040034Can somebody explain?
>>539040292Yeah doing more of this and less soviet assault garbage is the key.
>>539040292>cutting off starlink was a complete gamechanger, russians have no replacement for itAnalogov net, but there is a nuance.
statistics of drone hits at 20km+ range (jan 26 > current)
>>539040125>voenkomat lied to you and instead of a 'rear position' you are put straight into an assault group>your commander assrapes you and takes all of your cash>if you try to retreat - Akhmat will assrape you and kill you>if you refuse - assraped until you agreewhy do you think so many of them kill themselves at the first opportunity?
>>539040334Do you recognise her? I bet she’s some retard streamer.
>>539040336A bit of salt and cope on Fedorov's part. Decision still not taken (not officially, at least).
>>539040137>imagine being paid to go to Thailand to participate in Cobra Goldanon this is not the flex you think it is. the navy's entire cobra gold contribution is one amphib playing taxi for marines at Hat Yao, then everyone anchors off Laem Chabang - 25km from Pattaya - and 5000 sailors get ferried into town for liberty. pattaya police hold coordination meetings with the US embassy before you arrive because they know exactly what's coming. they've had to RESTRICT your shore leave over itso he asks about ladyboys and your defense is naming the exercise that ends in pattaya every single year. kek.
>>539040292>WHO THE FUCK BOUGHT TRUHA???>WHO THE FUCK BOUGHT IT FOR 1 BILLION HRYVNAS?>WHO WRITES TEZES TO GETMANCEV?Fucking NIGGERSI DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF NABU ASWELLFUCKING NIGGERS BUYING MEDIA HERE ASWELL
>>539040355To tha moooooon
>>539040328In Poland we call this beton. Some boomers are just insanely entrenched.
>>539040358I backspaced the end of my post about killing themselves for yous. :> Shameful, I know.
>>539040375No but she's posted all around the site and it's exactly the kind of performative female that I dislike.
>>539040163so he's urging on the protests? ooh boy (I'm still at 30min mark)
God I'm so fucking angry, just how many soviet dumpsters we have in Sumy
oh thats interesting, i think that means Klymenko also wants Fedorov to stay?
>>539040034I’d love to play Putin at war. He’s so fucking bad at it. Play him from the position of Ukraine vs Russia. The Ukrainians I suspect have long been getting “guidance and assistance” from britain, we have both signed a formal 100 year alliance together. But I do worry, I do know about how utterly corrupt our unpoliced politician abuse rings are and our ‘10,000 sir jimmy saviles’ civil service. I see them mixing with the comedian turned billionaire via politics zelensky (how is that possible, well look at putin) and I worry. But I’ll tell you who is worse and who can only make things worse, putin, russia and the russian oligarchy. All the asiatic swarmholes are the worlds worst examples of open corruption as the ruling force. They do not subvert for globo they openly rule via corruption. You may have noticed that /pol has spent every waking hour calling out and opposing unpoliced politicans, abuse, corruption, media, money lenders - that’s why its “politically incorrect” and not “turbocucked subhuman goblins sucking off dictators and parroting their oligarch narratives” which is what the Igor and Poo shills represent. They sneak around the internet like the wretched subhumans that they are trying to use our opposition to globo corruption to support their masters - who are agents of globo in 100% of cases. This is a case of shades of grey. I don’t like it. But if it collapses the russian oligarchy then … GOOD.>TZDGOOD
>>539040336You mean like, what's going on in general? Ukraine's Minister of Defense was dismissed, and people are absolutely pissed since he did a great job and basically was just fired because a bunch of soviet-era boomers didn't like the way he reformed things.
>>539040404>I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF NABU ASWELLNigga what country do you live in? It was all over the news a year ago.
>>539040479probably doesnt want the hate and to become a scapegoat
>>539040479DEMOCRACY BABYYYYYYYYYYTHIS IS NOT FUCKING AMERICAWE'RE MAKING HIM STAY AND NO RETARD OR A PEDOPHILE OR A RETARDED ORANGE PEDOPHILE WILL TELL US WHAT TO DO
>>539040479that's actually smart on his part, he sees the shitstorm coming and this is the best way to let Zelensky backtrack
>>539040479He didn’t have enough votes for parliament to be confirmed as def min, Zelensky party members are also not voting for him so they’re backpedaling
>>539040328probably involved in a corruption scheme together and has him by the ballsthat's how it works in post soviet land, Ukraine has began the process of getting rid of that detritus only recently
>>539040539Based
>>539040522NOTHE FUCKING CURRENT HOLDERS OF TRUHA, WHICH IS A FUCKING ZIGGERHE IS A FUCKING ZIGGER HIDING ABROAD, PULLLING STRINGS FOR A WHILENOT A NIGGER FROM EU OR ANYTHINGA FUCKING ZIGGER
>From March 2027, temporary protection will be granted only to those who have fulfilled their military obligations in Ukraine, a move aimed at strengthening Kyiv’s armed forces in response to requests from the Ukrainian government.>To obtain refugee-like status in the EU, Ukrainians will have to prove that they left the country legally by presenting a passport bearing an exit stamp or a document confirming exemption from military service.Imagine if they did the same thing with African niggers and dune coons from the Middle East haha!
>>539040539This is why I like you people, sure you have the same legacy of soviet corruption as all of east Europe but you can actually fight back and win. Hope this works.
>>539040539>WILL TELL US WHAT TO DOukraine does not have a right to self determination.you will always and forever be told what to do.
>>539040336>>539040034Zlonsky was pressured into resigning him by FUCKING TRAITORS IN OUR RANKSHoly shit, I'll get to the bottom of every nigger in thereAt least that's what our future defence minister said
>>539040464The rare moment where peaceful protests might actually change something.
>>539040651NIGGER5 YEARS INTO THE WAR AND YOU MOVED 25km IN>25FOR 5 YEARSKEKAROOOOO
>>539040644You guys did it too, so don't downplay yourselfYou have to fight back chat control for now at least in your city
>>539040651>ukraine does not have a right to self determination.You do not have a right to refueling.
>>539040699>5 YEARS INTO THE WAR AND YOU MOVED 25km INDoes Russia win the war by taking more ukie land?If Russia took 100% of ukraine today, would that mean the war ends tomorrow?
the ass is in the ass
>Update: Zelensky had a phone conversation with Fedorov today. Another meeting is also scheduled
>>539040754/chug/ ALREADY TOOK IT 5 YEARS AGOWHERE ARE THEY NOW ZIGGER?KEKAROOOOO
>The Minister of Defense will not be elected today. There will be additional consultations in the faction, because Klymenko allegedly refused the position, - People's Deputy Maria Mezentseva
>>539040256>Nobody believes anyone thinks they can ”protest” in Ukrandathey are literally protesting today you retard>what happened to the anti-TCK protestors.anti-TCK rioters deserved to be suppressed
>>539040791>zelenigger is starting to cracknice, i might even call him based if he fires syrsky
>>539040479You don't even need to want Fedorov to stay in that position, you want to not look like the "a cucked replacement" kek.
>>539040596Expand on the Truha sneed. I remember reading about it on TG.
Federov is now calling for the sacking of Syrskyi, also high level officials such as deputy air force commander are resigning in protest of Federov's sacking... Palace coup underway?
I have seen several Ukrainian telegram channels referring to Soviet boomers like Syrsky and their way of thinking as "Cheese", sometimes even just using the cheese emoji for that - Could any Ukie explain what's up with that or where that figure of speech comes from?
>>539040826damn it zisters, how do we spin this as also being bad?
>>539040754>Does Russia win the war by taking more ukie land?you tell me anon, I have questions:if land doesn't define winning, why did putin write four oblasts into the russian constitution in 2022? is putin confused about his own victory conditions?if land doesn't matter, why is russia's #1 demand at every negotiation that Ukraine hand over the rest of Donetsk? why is the peace plan fight entirely about territory?if land DOES matter, what does 0.77% of Ukraine in a year at 83 casualties per square kilometer tell you? who's winning that exchange rate?>if Russia took 100% of ukraine today, would the war end tomorrow?interesting question. if occupying 100% of a country doesn't end the war, what does occupying 19% do? what exactly did 1.4 million casualties purchase?and if conquest can't produce victory - your words - what's russia's theory of winning? say it out loudone more: when russia takes a village you post the map. when the pace comes up, land suddenly proves nothing. which is it? does territory only count on days russia moves forward?
>539040903>ukraine will save russia
>>539040907Cheese is syr they're just making fun of his name
>>539040907It's because cheese in Slavic languages is "syr".
>>539040907because cыp(syr) == cheese
>>539040858>Expand on the Truha sneed.Been confirmed by investigation that zigger supporters bought it outThey are funded by ziggers and were ACTIVELY sabotaging the populus by propaganding ipso about certain people who were helpful to us, making the lives of them hell when they cannot report on thisAlso gathering info and such from unsuspecting UkrainiansGod it's so OGRE
>>539040699two more centuries and we're fucked
>>539040939Are you a retard? I haven't said that this is good for russia.
>>539040903We're protesting already, we will see if Rada decides to listen to people or notWe live in a democracy, not autocracyIf majority decides that the changes have to be made - they will be made and ziggers will be thrown out
BREAKING: TRUMP AND PUTIN ARE CLOSE TO A PEACE DEAL IN UKRAINE>Trump expected to announce deal in his speech tonight BREAKING: TRUMP AND PUTIN ARE CLOSE TO A PEACE DEAL IN UKRAINE>Trump expected to announce deal in his speech tonight
>>539040957>>539040958>>539040965Alrighty, thanks.
>>539040970>crypto entrepreneurlolhow embarrassing
>>539041021nobody cares, TZD will go on until it is done
>>539040903no, this is how actual democracy works lol
>>539041021cool... at least russia will now stop killing burgers in UkraineHow's benzin btw?
>>539041021let me guess, it's just the 2022 demands announced for the 285th time?
>>539040903>Federov is now calling for the sacking of SyrskyiYup, not gonna happen. It's over for Fedorov.
>>539041005Is it true that United24 employees have taken the day off to protest? I wonder if Zaluzhnyi could return as a result of the protests. In any case I just hope Syrskyi gets sacked, that guy seems to be hated by virtually everyone in Ukraine.
>>539040982how would a coup in the middle of a war not be good for russia?
>>539041021>As part of the proposed deal, any country providing non-humanitarian aid to Ukraine will be hit with blanket 150% tariffs by the United States.>Trump will also push for an election in Ukraine by the end of 2026.
>>539040903What he describes about Syrski is unironically an issue which often exists even when the person isn't doing shady shit or anything like that. It's a soviet thing. People with any modicum of power are turbo-paranoid and "know" that any criticism isn't a real element but something used to undermine them and replace them later. Because that's how it was in soviet union. Hence they are okay with doing the song and dance of meetings, because those are viewed as just circus and decorations, while real shit happens outside that. This is unironically a big cultural issue, since people basically can't acknowledge issues because they view that as a preamble to them getting sacked. Zoomers are less fucked up by this, but still.
>>539041093Ukraine will get to keep whatever it will has now. The current frontlines become the new borders. Hohols should be thanking Trump.
>>539039632Romania's head of anti corruption used to do similar presentations about her achievements, before the mafia chased her out.
>>539041107nice source jim burger, nobody cares about your orange man who has zero cards
>>539041021You might want to try /lit/ if you want to continue writing fanfiction
>>539041103>how would a coup in the middle of a war not be good for russia?It's way worse for the war effort on the long term if Federov is sacked and replaced by another corrupt Sryskyi puppet. A bloodless revolution in Kyiv will not detriment the frontline situation in any way.
>>539041107This is so unimportant that no Ukrainian news outlet is even mentioning it, lol.
>>539041143along with the demands that it completely disbands it's army, banned from EU and NATO, sanctions against poccua lifted, etc etcnobody is going to sign that you dumb piece of shit.
>>539040934>what's russia's theory of winning? say it out loudI have said it a million times. Why are you suddenly pretending this has never been explained to you?Why play the hatchling? You tell me how Russia wins.
>>539040975>>539041005now, Fedorov's replacement with Klymenko seems like the usual - the old, Sovietized structure resisting reforms. the people ofc have every right to protest.but what if Fedorov was unable to deal with the manpower / mobilization issue in time? let's assume that Muscovy announces another major mobilization later this year and possibly opens up another front in the north towards Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv or even from Belarus again. AFU's lines could be too thinned out to deal with this
>>539041107the russia lost
>>539041200>A bloodless revolution in Kyiv will not detriment the frontline situation in any way.Ukraine needs a coup by Based Azov.
>>539041177My mom's cousin works at the state department. It's unironically ovyir
>>539041143>The current frontlines become the new bordersThat's what Ukraine has been asking for, though - to freeze the conflict alongside the current lines of contact. This always has been the Ukrainians postulate that the so-called russia keeps rejecting.
>>539041107so, business as usual as - if it would be true and not your brainfart - zion don would forgot about it tomorrow and would call for the exact opposite to happenHow would it end russia's benzin crisis btw?
>>539041021>BREAKING: TRUMP AND PUTIN ARE CLOSE TO A PEACE DEAL IN UKRAINEaiee donald-sama tell them to stop THEY ARE HURTING MEEEErussian century of humiliation
>bond yields rising again>moex flash crash below 2000 imminentim not feeling so good zisters
>>539041270does she give you tips how to keep the floor shiny and sparkling clean?
he basically said he does not know of a way to win this war in a configuration where Syrsky remains
>>539041236>I have said it a million timesthen a million and one costs you nothing. one sentence. right here. go>You tell me how Russia winskek. you're asking your opponent to write your argument for you. the defense doesn't rest by asking the prosecutor to explain the alibi
>>539041238That's all well and good, but:1. it's not like the current mobilization system is efficient at all;2. you don't win against horde of mongoloids by trying to go tit for tat with meat against them, you win by being more efficient;
I don't understand Ze's thinking. He's not seriously contemplating running for another term after the war is won, right? All bro has to do after the war is hold elections and step down to secure his legacy, Can't he just literally tank whatever the soviet boomers may or may not have on him, it couldn't possibly overshadow what he's managed to accomplish so far.Can I get non-zigger clarifications, what am I missing?
Kyiv
>>539041345he needs to plead to the EU even if the faggot union is kinda split when it comes to wanting to ukraine win or not. big pressure is needed and ukrainians should start heading back home to protest.
>>539041402
>>539041236>"Play the hatchling" is not an English figure of speech.
>>539041238The problem is Fedorov was actually taking into account the morale issue and wanting people to know their lives will be valued, have good terms when joining up etc, as I understand it most people actually in the army support Fedorov's way rather than the old Soviet shit especially with the scandals around Syrskyi's assault troops. You also can't really fight quantity with quantity forever, Fedorov's asymmetric combat doctrine has proven to work much better.
>>539041402>>539041419Godspeed.
>>539041270>america will save the russiakek
>>539041378why are you assuming is he will run for elections again?
>>539041378>after the war is wonAfter the war is won Medvedchuk is gonna be the interim president.
>>539041414the fact that these protests are happening should already force zeleboba to address it in some way, we'll see
>>539041414>faggot union is kinda split when it comes to wanting to ukraine win or notEU is EXTREMELY afraid of poccua collapsing that's why the support from west has been half-hearted at best, because they know a UA victory is an instant death for the russian "empire"
>>539041347>you're asking your opponent to write your argument for you.no, you have had this explained to you many times.why are you pretending that isnt the case?again, this is a bit like playing hide and seek with a toddler.
>>539041378I figure it's just a large entrenched Soviet era remnant that doesn't want their power "usurped" by the bright up and coming tech savvy newcomers who won't even pay or take bribes. Maybe he doesn't want to change the army command in the middle of the war and he feels it's either or.
>>539041522they're probably seeing the writing on the wall now though, Russia's done, it's just a waiting game at this point.
>>539041522trvke
>>539041378It's not about being overshadowed, that's just a propaganda point. It's just him being under pressure from a fuck ton of sides. E.g. Fedorov obviously pointed out issues with Syrski and called for removing him (because he correctly identified that the guy doesn't actually receive constructive criticism), but Syrski is basically the guy which made the current shit work overall, even if with flaws and such. He has a fuck on of his own people in the system and all that. You'd need to carve out a fuck on that cruft once you remove him. That would include things tied to army command, logistics, mobilization, procurement, etc, etc, etc. And that's scary to do during a war. Doubly so if when the only one pushing for this is the young ex-minister of Digital Transformation. So he obviously sees removing Syrski as more of an issue or more risky than removing the person who raised a stink about him.
>>539041525>you have had this explained to you many timesthree posts telling me I've been told. zero posts telling me. anon the explanation is shorter than your refusals - it's one sentence. you've now written 60 words dodging a 10 word answer>hide and seek with a toddlerin hide and seek the one hiding is you, and I'm counting loudly. also the last time you came out you said the war was "effortlessly cheap" for Russia. then Siluanov begged the cabinet for a spending freeze because "reserves are not infinite." I understand why you went back behind the couch
>>539041568I wish that were the case but even in the worst scenario Xina will attach jumper cables to the corpse of russia to keep it alive (and completely, utterly dependent on it, kind of like how Belarus is right now)
>>539041501Medvedchuk won't be allowed to live for too long.
YIELD STATUS???
>>539041414The commission already noticed this shit is happening and is asking why
>>539041522These people are so stupid. It's like they don't get with every choice you make you move the needle toward either "russia loses" or "russia wins and the war moves westward with +tens of millions more refugees and economic collapse everywhere". They think if you were to do nothing everything would magically stay in stasis, or they know it's fucked but want to kick the can down the road so someone else has to deal with that.
>>539041457I try not to think of this but what if the jews controlling both sides saw that Ukraine would destroy Russia far too fast for more genocide of slavic men to happen.
>>539041352>it's not like the current mobilization system is efficient at all;that's fair, I'm not that knowledgable on it>you don't win against horde of mongoloids by trying to go tit for tat with meat against themit's not about meat. if you lack the infantry, then the pidors will exploit the gaps between your positions to infiltrate 1-2 soldiers at a time until you have a pidor infestation between and behind your positions. if you had sufficient infantry, you could 1) make it harder for them to infiltrate in the first place and 2) use reserves as "firefighters" to remove the ticks from basements, houses and forests>>539041457yes, lack of demobilization / longer leave is ahuge problem and will only lead to desertions and demoralization. but why can there be no demobilization? because there's a lack of men. so you'd need to catch more draft dodgers, return the dodgers from EU countries and also return women from EU countries who then work in vital industries and civil defense instead of living off of irrelevant service jobs and welfare in our countries
>>539041345No shit, Syrski can fight but he can't get out of the soviet mindset.
>>539041657Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand so much for Trump saving the russia kek.
>>539041107>blanket 150% tariffs by the United StatesBring it on, then EU will bring out the bazooka.Remember that Europe is the only remaining market that buys US products and services at all. China already replaced you in all other continents.
>>539041636I suppose, but a zombified Russian corpse putted by Xi is Russia in name only. The important part is killing the version of Russia that's gradually crawled across europe and the north of the middle-east consuming countries and leaving bastard rape babies in it's wake.
>>539041635>anon the explanation is shorter than your refusalsThe disgust of your constant tranny games is indefatigable.>also the last time you came out you said the war was "effortlessly cheap" for Russia.A different subject. The war in ukraine is effortlessly cheap when compared to what it costs NATO.ukraine is Russia's backyard. we must run logistics half way across the world before ukraine sells it on the black market.
>>539041674The problem is if people thought they would be treated more like russian mobiks and there was no longer a real plan for victory then they would be a lot less motivated and more likely to desert. Syrsky seems to have that kind of reputation right now.
>>539041669well, the #1 reason for this is nukes - western support was very explicit about this, that strikes inside poccua are a red line that must not be crossed, anything to avoid a "provocation"now imagine the central authority breaks down, some rogue states get nooks in their hands with nothing to losethis scenario made the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and Washington to shit themselves in fear
>>539041657Explain
>>539041657NEVER SHOULD OF COME HERE
>>539041703>Trump lifts tanker sanctions>Ukies lift drone sanctions on tankers
>>539041743He's quoting some brown website which doesn't know what it's talking about.
>>539041657The line goes up, anon. Are you sure you're an expert?
>>539041506Zlonsky will definitely say somethingOn press conference just now they said that he was against it but was pressured by "others"Who are those others they cannot sayWe need to start killing ziggers.
>>539041792Again this is stupid. Everything you do or not do will lead to either russia moving on to western europe until they're stopped, or russia losing with whatever that entails. Since the former is not an option you just deal with it and handle the russia loses option the best you can, even if it collapses into civil war just bribe whoever has access to nukes or whatever (they probably don't work anyway). At least by this point everyone should realize the red line thing is bullshit but somehow they don't.
I still do not specifically understand what the point of contention between Syrsky and Fedorov was, or is that just not acutally kown publicly, i dont mean vague reasons like; zoomer vs soviet mindset. I mean actual tangible reasons why they couldn't get along, only thing ive heard was about procurement of artillery ammunition.
>>539041657>16+% what in the fuck
>>539041903I mean yes, Ukraine did prove all of them wrong by assraping their petrol industry with no nukes in sight and Xi wagging his finger to Putin "Nuh uh don't even think about it"
>>539041918Fedorov apparently nixed a lot of useless contracts for shit that wasn't used but funnelled money into the old guard's pockets.
>>539041657Nabiulina is getting thrown out of the window tmrw
>>539041918Most positive scenario is extreme differences in strategic approach while loving their country and believing theirs to be the better one leading to this.More likely less noble political ambitions also play a part.
>>539041808I decided to explain it to you cryptically by making this meme
>>539041792they had that concern when the ussr fell apart too but they still let it.
>>539041990>plz let me quit>no>plz let me quit>no>dear god this shit is fucked, please let me quit>no, and you will die if you dont do as I pleasepoor elvira. I almost feel bad.
>>539041979Yeah, lol I remember back when Kursk happened and western euros were shitting themselves, now everyone can watch Moscow burn and wow the world didn't end. We fucking told you so, dumbasses. Biden falling for the nook threat and constantly trying to put limits on what Ukraine was allowed to do was insane, Trump is worse but Biden genuinely thought he was helping.
>>539041775kek he finally said the theory out loud. took four posts. and it's "russia wins because it's cheap." okay let's check the receipts>effortlessly cheap7.5% of GDP, highest since the USSR died. 38% of the federal budget - 46% in Q1 this year, every second ruble. they raised VAT to 22% specifically to pay for it and burned HALF the national wealth fund. anon nations do not hike taxes on bread and drain the piggy bank for effortless things>compared to what it costs NATOUS total over FOUR YEARS: ~0.56% of one year's GDP. russia: 7.5% of GDP EVERY year. moscow now spends more on this war annually than washington spent in four years combined. and NATO's price tag includes zero (0) casualties vs your 1.4 million. lmao the exchange rate>we must run logistics halfway across the worldholy kek. russia imported 8 MILLION artillery shells from NORTH KOREA plus 12,000 of their soldiers to defend KURSK. pyongyang to donbas is 10,000km of rail. rzeszów to the front is a truck ride. the side running planetary logistics is yours, anon - into its own "backyard," which it also can't hold without borrowing a foreign armyalso >"WE must run logistics" - glad we agree whose side you're on. weird team to worry for while cheering the other one
>>539041238>AFU's lines could be too thinned out to deal with this We already have reserves and not every man is at the frontEven Kharkiv is full of men who work on normal jobs and wait in line to get to the frontI'll say it again - even KharkivWhat I don't see is the army reform that Sternenko and Fedorov were declined to make.And those infidels in our ranks should be disposed of.
>>539042012the west did send a LOT of aid to the former RSFSR to stabilize it
>>539041674Even if you do want more men, there are two main issues with that:1. It's a chicken and egg problem of "people avoid service because they don't trust that training and supply will be good, that command will be good and that their service will be normal, including the protections of their rights, vacations, end of service, etc", and some of those things are bad because there are not enough people being recruited. You need to reform shit and show people that shit's better to get more people into the system. I know people who wanted to go but got convinced by their already serving friend to not go because of the issues at hand. 2. At the end of the day the issues with quantity and quality are also tied to corruption. Why do you think those retarded mobilization videos from Odesa appear routinely? Because of corruption. It's a three prong issue of a) retards basically "selling" too many deferments from mobilization, then when they get fucked by the higher ups about their KPI they b) go and try to get numbers, grabbing even people who are obviously not fit for service and, what's even more of a disgrace c) some of them grab randoms not even for the goal of mobilization but specifically to try and extort a bribe under threat of mobilization. Basically that whole region should be sterilized in terms of recruitment system and such. But elements of that obviously exist in some form in other places as well.
>>539041627There is always a great deal of tension between the MoD and the army. Usually the MoD is headed by Mr. Spreadsheet trying to make the sums add up whilst General BigNuts in the army runs up the bill. The relationship is fraught enough during peacetime, one can only imagine how difficult it is in wartime. If Fedorov, and friends, can't name a successor to Syrskyi who is waiting in the wings and is poised to take over then I think it's probably not going to work out for them.
>>539041918Fedorov's main point is that in order to win against such an enemy, we NEED to act asymmetrically. The inflexibility of existing system and political / non-meritocratic decisions within military are an issue. Syrsky just did not let him do what is needed.
>>539041808The bigger the yield, the more expensive it's for the state to borrow money.
>>539042048She could've fled to US and asked for assistanceBut I think her family is too brainwashed to move with her
>>539042130I C
>>539041990she is the sole reason it's not past 20 already, all the other retards want her to aggressively cut rates and destroy what's left of the russian economy in the process
>>539042084>burned HALF the national wealth fundMore actually. You need to check what is actually the liquid part of the wealth fund, since a ton of it was actually replaced with junk bonds and such of state corporations as a way to prop them up post-2014 and post-2019.
>>539041808If you buy a bond, it produces money every month. Generally very little, but the bond is a safe asset because the issuer (Russia in that case) will never default haha.If the risk increases, the payoff needs to increase to compensate the holders for the risk they take.
>>539041990Nabiulina is basically Putin's Hjalmar Schacht, she is one of the last people on the defenestration list
Ukrainian domestic politics status?
>>539040464After I took a look at it all it seems that we might achieve something
>>539040907Syrsky means cheesemaker's son or something.
>>539042244public assembly, unlike in rusnya where even waiting in queue for fuel is considered a crime, is actually allowed in Ukraine
>59 companies were competing during the procurement of drones to be used for bombing crimeadamn lol
>>539042120>If Fedorov, and friends, can't name a successor to Syrskyi who is waiting in the wings and is poised to take over then I think it's probably not going to work out for them.IMO anyone from the younger commanders would work. Pretty much the main publicly shared by Fedorov issue with Syrski was about the soviet mindset - not even in command, but in how he thinks, behaves and navigates the "bureaucratic battlefield".
>>539041808Line goes up on bonds is bad. Any country sells bonds and government over 10 years promises to pay 16,5% over the borrowed amount and at the end you receive the borrowed amount back. It’s crazy expensive for the government due to sanctions, spending and inflation.>>539042011Kek
>>539041657TBD bros we are eating good>>539041808What the other anons said and this. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/y/yieldtomaturity.asp
>>539041808A bond is basically a private investor loaning money to the government.Borrowing money at 16% Annual interest is bad.
>>539042244It's not stable, we're getting rid of ziggers >>539040907>Could any Ukie explain what's up with that or where that figure of speech comes from?Syrski is actually pronounced Syirs'kiySyir = Cиp = Cheese
>>539042210checked and correct, I was being charitable:liquid part isn't down half, it's down ~70% - from $113bn prewar to ~$36bn, lowest since 2019. the "remaining" 60% of the fund is bailout paper: a quarter of it is sberbank shares the state bought from its own central bank, plus aeroflot covid rescue stock, VK bonds, and 300bn rubles spent buying back the airplanes that sanctions repo'dmy favorite line item: $3 BILLION in yanukovych's 2013 eurobonds. defaulted for a decade. still on the books at face value. the kremlin's rainy day fund contains an IOU from a guy who fled kyiv on a helicopter and they refuse to write it down. kek. that's the "effortless" war chest
>>539042322TZD
>>539042220>>539042346>>539042349>>539042365hmm myes
>>539042189>she is the sole reason it's not past 20 alreadyThis. She surrounded herself with highly educated financial experts educated in West. Pic notrel.
>>539042365Explain how this is related to Nabiulina being pressured to lower rates.
>>539042322Lmao based
>>539042220>will never default haha.The MIGHTY RASSIYA? Collapsing? They'd never.
>>539042336
>>539042346>>539041808>>539042365>>539042220Our current bond rates are high for companies in our country and low in foreignThis boosts domestic growth by like 25%, so it's more profitable to make a plant here rather than in EU
>>539042322The golden goose is in the loose and never out of season. TzD
>>539042537Yes, I would support him
>transparent procurement system for ammunition let the government save 100M on artillery shells, notably one of the companies cut a whopping $1000 off the price per shell
>>539041808anon your 10 year government bond yield is at 3.5%. to compare: Germany's is at 3.1% and Italy's at 3.9%.16.5% is pretty bad. and multiple bond auctions have already failed, so interest rates will have to rise even further
>>539042549On the loose. ESL phone.
Two lads arguing about bonds with questions and answers pulled from AI by both sides corrrrrr
>>539042336One would think that's something Zeleboba ought to sympathise with given that he's in his 40s.
>>539042589Yeah why do that when you can post about Jews and trannies.
>>539041635It's a typical russian lying tactic. Saying that they have said something multiple times and won't repeat it, when they have not said it even once.
>>539042537>>539042555I have a better candidate.
>>539042594Zelya is mentally post-Soviet.
>>539042450Money stuff is complicated, but to put it basically; people want lower rates because that means lower inflation and lower borrowing costs.But ultimately the bank doesn't decide inflation so much as try to steer it, Russia is inflating, there's no escaping that, so she's trying to balance between fantasy and reality to an extent.
>>539042660>>539042594We will zee, cause Zlonsky is pretty progressive for any boomer in EUHe reminds me of when 4chan wasn't a shithole it is now, and was actually fun
+11 ships struck overnight btw.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRiKNRbFz4
>>539042594Zelensky has to weigh in a ton of factors. One of which is what's easier and less disruptive. Forgetting that disruptive things are also often needed.
>>539042657Better or not is debatable, but definitely also a good one.
>>539042450if you lower interest rates without fixing the underlying issue, inflation will spike again which means money is worth less in the long term. if money is potentially going to lose a lot of value then you want a much higher return rate in exchange for lending money to the government. obviously the government dont want to borrow at a high rate, especially when it's already in big deficit.
>>539042672Right. So what happens if pypa has his way and forces her to drive the rates down even further? Hyperinflation?
>>539041636>>539041765Who benefits from a norfkorified nation right on the EU's border? The europeans who don't want the russia to collapse, are only kicking the can down the road.It's much easier to just collapse it now, than have to deal with a nuclear blackmailing hermit kingdom with a crazy leader 100 years in the future.
>>539042577Funnily enough Sternenko also said this>Main thing we did was buy shells that can be fired from 19-26 km away, so that our troops wouldn't die>HQ wanted instead to buy short range 15km shells for the same cost
russian index still tanking worse than spacex. went under 2100 yesterday, now looking like it might get under 2000 soon.
>>539042762AZOV IS SUPER SUPER
>>539042771>>539042768Cheers. I hope Nabiulina realises the genius of monkenomics and listens to the Beloved Leader.
>>539039453lol making the video in UkrainianYou guys really are pathetic you know that?
>>539042322Everyone wants to join in on the fun.
>>5390427810 is the fair price.
>>539042778that's exactly the issue, they don't react fast enough to the current realities, like drones nuking any artillery piece within range
>>539042672>people want lower rates because that means lower inflationjust to clarify because your phrasing is ambiguous: lowering rates mean the inflation is being tamed
>>539042806thanks, we are doing our best. TZD.
>>539042781Please get below 1000, it will be so funny KEKEKE
>>539042772you can still buy gas from themfor instance germoney based literally all of their industry around cheap gas and metals from poccua
>>539042806And 404 won't exist soonTotal Bond Death
>>539042772those fucking boomer bureaucrats care only about avoiding risk and so the main force behind Western democracies is institutional inertia. The idea of actually shaking things up and entering the uknown terrifies them beyiond anything.
>>539042781VK (ruslim facebook) also isn't doing so hot.
>>539042905YEBAAAAAT
>>539042860>Please get below 1000, it will be so funny KEKEKE2900 -> 2000 that is like half way to 1000 already
>>539042450Most corporate bonds are floating. The formula is something like bank rate + 3%. A lot of mortgages are also tied to the central bank rate. The amount of interest being paid nationally is enormous. Obviously you can't invest in this sort of climate, but that's sort of the point. Most people aren't supposed to and only the Ru MoD can to fight the war. But now even the Russian treasury's advantage in sourcing cheap finance is evaporating.
>>539042824>they don't react fast enough to the current realitiesMajority are stuck in the past like a polish kurwa in their ministry of defence, thinking drones are just expencive toys on the 5th year of war
>>539042804What’s worse, the federal pidogovernment strongly encourages local governments to buy their shit bonds or locals won’t receive budget at all or a restricted one. A fucking shitshow Nabulina has to deal with.
>>539042589Are we arguing? I was just providing the answer as context for someone who asked. I don't even know who I'm meant to be arguing with.>>539042771I think the idea is basically that it spooks investors. If the interest rate goes down too far too fast, when compared with something like expected bond yields, it implies there's something fucky at play and basically people get too scared to buy up Russia's debt.That pushes bond yields even higher because there's no demand, or, it triggers a panic, people start trying to find clauses to escape from contracts yada yada. Kinda like a bank run.>>539042837Thanks bro. Appreciate the help, this shit is hard to explain.
>>539042781YEBAAT!
>>539042905buy the dip bro
reuse>>539039348>>539039348>>539039348
>>539042959dip?
>>539042889True, on the other hand, the glowie agencies also run a lot of shit backstage, they have stability and should know better. I think they are infested with low iq zigger sympathisers, and there's no way to cleanse them.
>>539041657And they'll tell you inflation is in the single digits, lmao
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