HAVE YOU CALLED UPON THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST?
I did, thank you and God bless
>>539834200Blessed! and toll free
DEAR JESUS, PLEASE NUKE ISRAEL
>>539834786Why do mexican people just straight up disobey the bible and idolize and consult with the dead (mary)?
>>539834786>>539835465https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WHinXHCDD-8
>>539834786>>539835465>>539835608https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRWZbMyjw7c
>>539835608>>539835673consulting spirits or the dead is prohibited by the law of God. its an abomination to him.we are called to obey God and not the traditions of man.are you so unwise as to rob God of his glory?
Imagine submitting yourself to a slave religion. Couldn't be me.
>>539835787Iconoclasty is also not biblical,God commanded the Israelites to put two statues of angels on the Ark of the Covenant and gave them healing powers
>>539835860>Imagine submitting yourself to a slave religion. Couldn't be me.
>>539835910>put two statues of angels on the Ark of the CovenantHOW MANY FUCKING PEOPLE EVER SAW THEM????
>>539835910>and gave them healing powersalso this is just made up.
>>539833986No, we don't pray to Jews here
Jesus and the other early Christians WERE GAYS.In Judaism, it is not illegal to have premarital or extramarital sex (unless the woman you are fucking is married) and while it is discouraged, it is not illegal to fuck a woman in the ass.Christianity is a religion for gays or retards
>>539836007Ok that was on me,i confused it with the healing snakes
>>539833986I love Him.>>539835673>>539835608The dead cannot hear us, for they are dead and awaiting resurrection.Communing with the dead makes spiritual deception a very real possibility as any contact is attributed to demons rather than the deceased.
>>539836350and the brazen serpent was destroyed to prevent idolatry and iconography of the object.
>>539833986I don't like asking for help or starting conservations
>>539833986Yes I have. And He is glorious. His salvation is beautiful and grace through faith yields eternal life by His hand.I love Jesus. /pol/ Kikes are extra seething lately about how impossible He is to defeat. Like this >>539836044 kike
>>539833986Jews are having a difficult time understanding that a massive revival is underway. It will not be stopped or curtailed in any way. In fact, fighting it will only make it more powerful. Jews are especially consternated by the fact that this revival will not result in new or existing Christians flocking to jew controlled cults or denomination. It's going to drive them nuts! Rejoice and be glad, humankind. This is your one last grasp at The Book of Life. I honestly thought it was over and that the Book of Life would be forever sealed (we are very near the end of The End). But God in His infinite mercy and love has opened it up for one last chapter. Don't miss out on this truly once in a lifetime opportunity.
>>539836411I was taught to pray to dead relatives as a catholic kid. Now as a Christian adult I see how horrible this is. God alone receives our prayers
>>539836289Yes, well, Jewry is organized satanism. So what's your point?
>>539836411If the deads are dead and cannot hear us,how could Jesus interact with Moses and Elijha in the transfiguration ?
>>539836479Saved this whitepill
>>539836581Jesus Christ is literally not you. YOU have no access to the dead. Those who trusted Him have access to Him entirely. What a bad question
>>539836581Jesus told his disciples specifically that they saw a vision. not that Moses and Elijah were present.
>>539836525True facts. And, most of all, we are in need of no intermediary or intercessors (no priests or popes or preachers). You have a direct relationship with God through Christ. That's why the veil in the Sanctus Sanctorum was rent in twain the moment Christ gave up the ghost. Be blessed, fren.
>>539836700He spoke to the real Moses and the real Elijah. They were instructed to listen to Christ alone.
Niggerfoot thread
>>539833986>>539834200Based.
>>539836750no>9 And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.” Jesus said they saw a vision. nothing else.
>>539836733That's 100% correct. I'm glad you're on /pol/ with me brother. The Christlessness on this board has gotten relentless lately and I feel God brought me to this thread to remind me that there indeed are still saved folks here. The righteous remnant that Elijah learned of at Horeb. Bless you friend, when we are both in the Kingdom with Him, I hope we get to say hello to one another!
>>539836839The fact that He called a vision doesn't mean they were not there
>>539836525There are no divisions within the body of Christ, His Church, we pray that all denominations cease their belief in "separated brethren" and the like.>>539836581You answered the question there, "how could God the Son interact with Moses and Elijah?"He is God, we are not. Matthew 17:9 - 9 And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.”God initiated the event (the vision) as a supernatural revelation confirming who Jesus is. It was a miracle.
>>539836839Lmao biblically illiterate. The Greek word translated "vision" (horama) does not necessarily mean an illusion or something unreal. It commonly refers to a supernatural sight or revelation from God.For example:Acts 10:3 — Cornelius has a "vision" of an angel. The angel was not imaginary.Acts 10:17 — Peter's sheet full of animals is called a "vision."Acts 9:10–12 — Both Ananias and Saul receive "visions."So "vision" describes the mode by which God revealed something, not whether the people involved were real.
>>539836773Nothing infuriates the jew like Jesus. As such, they're going to get a massive, massive dose of it. And all this is transpiring at the same time the Jews are losing their grip on the gentile mind. They can't even make compelling entertainment anymore, much less dominant the narrative. It's all going to be so very delectable.
>>539836926>>539836938so what?Jesus just resurrected Moses and Elijah and afterwards put them into the ground again or what?how deluded do you have to be?
>>539836938Great post
>>539837040They were alive with God in heaven
>>539837040Nice try. I accept your concession
>>539837040Elijah has never been in the ground. He was literally taken up to heaven bodily. Again you are biblically illiterate
>>539836851The Jews and their minions are doing a full spectrum push back against what they know is coming. They're so desperate they're trying to revive pagan gods from thousands of years ago. Jews shot the plot. The spell is broken and they can't recast it. >For behold, the spirit is mightier than the flesh.
>>539836733>True facts. And, most of all, we are in need of no intermediary or intercessors (no priests or popes or preachers).Yes I agree with you, but also remember that every Christian belongs to God’s royal priesthood. You are a priest just like the rest of our brothers & sisters in this thread.1 Peter 2:9 =“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.”Because we are God’s chosen people and royal priests, each one of us is called to represent Christ in this world. We are His ambassadors, entrusted with proclaiming the gospel and reflecting the light, character, and love of Christ through our words and actions.As Paul says, “We are ambassadors for Christ” (2 Corinthians 5:20). Therefore, our lives should point others toward the One who called us out of darkness and into His marvelous light.
>>539833986Yes I did and he never fucking responds.
>>539836938Yes, I totally agree with your exegesis. Another Saul, king Saul, once visited the witches of Endor to conjure the spirit of Samuel the prophet. He was panicked about this young upstart, King David. He did indeed conjure the spirit of Samuel. And he paid with his life for the affront.
>>539837083>Moses>alive with God in heaven>when Jesus didnt even pay for his crime of murder yetroman catholic fairy tales.Jesus said himself, nobody is in heaven but the one that came down, he himself.John 313 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.[g] >>539837126and later wrote a letter? you are the one that rather listens to mysteries of man than being biblical literate.also for you, John 3.13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.[g] so you both have two optionsA. Jesus is a liar and there are people floating in heaven before the resurrection.B. you are wrong and fell for fairy tales.
>>539837449Then what happened to Elijha after he was taken by the fire charriot ?
>>539837678he was placed somewhere, just as Philip was transported by the Holy Spirit.Acts 839 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.same happened with Enoch btw, he wasnt taken up into heaven. he was placed somewhere safe because giants roamed the earth in his days.
>>539837782Fair enough
>>539837001Cool.
>>539837182All very true. But that's of necessity going to confuse many. The workers of iniquity have been about for hundreds of years tirelessly trying to foist a new and completely synthetic form of "morality" onto the world. As such, we can't let ourselves get too enmeshed in their values, much less swayed by them. I think your verses are best paired with Pauls teaching about being convicted in our hearts. I, for example, smoke cigarettes. There is nothing at all wrong with this. I know this because if there were, I'd be convicted about it. This world with its synthetic value system condemns such, while at the same time proclaiming baby killing as a moral and virtuous crusade. We are moreover permitted to drink in moderation (but I don't really drink anymore). There is indeed space in our existence for such things that soothe the soul. But you will know which among them are permissible and which aren't by their actions within you and their very essence. That's why Paul insists that we test the spirits of various things. Like cocaine. That stuff is no good. A couple glasses of wine or something along those lines is totally fine. And that speaks to the type of trivialities that often plague and blight fellowship. The judgement and self righteousness in back of such things is far more pernicious than the supposed sin they are condemning. There is liberty in Christ. But this liberty cannot be confounded with licentiousness. It's s very important distinction. It moreover distracts attention from where it belongs -- spiritual sins.
No. I’m an atheist. I hate other atheists. Just because you don’t believe in God doesn’t mean you have to be a cock sucking faggot retard.
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>>539837883Do of course note that these cults and denominations are to be tread like the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored. The ceremony of the washing of feet was meant to embody Christs teachings that >If any among you desire to be great, let him be a servant to all. It's a sublime concept. And for these depraved and worldly preachers to appropriate such a thing and put it into the service of secular nonsense like jew subversion through diversity is tantamount to blasphemy. And they will pay s very serious price for this type of thing.
>>539837083Living believers are spiritually united with Christ and seated with him in the heavenly places. When believers die, they sleep in death without conscious participation in earthly life, awaiting Christ’s return, when he will raise them bodily to everlasting life.John 11:11-14 - 11 After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.” 12 The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” 13 Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died,1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 - 13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.>>539837962>I, for example, smoke cigarettes. There is nothing at all wrong with this.Yes, these things only become wrong when they become an "addiction" an idol essentially. If you are not enslaved to it, then it is, at worst, "unwise" but in the end, what enters a man's mouth does not defile him, but what comes out of his mouth (heart) is what defiles him.
>>539833986I wish to see many more threads like these. Thank you God.
>>539838725I personally would prefer an entire board dedicated to religious discussion
>>539838287Truly you are speaking and thinking in The Spirit. That quote from Christ >Man is not defiled by what goes into the body but what comes out of it. Is the perfect and perfectly apt summary of this principle. It's also a great illustration of why Christ repulsed all of Satans temptations with verses from the prophets. Its a form of spiritual checkmate.
>>539838827I agree, but I doubt that the powers that be would allow for it though. Here on /pol/ they can get away with banning our threads and moving them over to /bant/, but on a board dedicated to theology, they will not be able to shut us down, and that would spell their doom.>>539838956That's one thing that the false prophets will never be able to replicate. They spend years upon years trying to "learn" how to appear as one of us, but God has taught us that we must be born again of the Holy Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven that all of us are currently living in and helping God to expand in accordance to The Great Commission.We did nothing to make ourselves Christians; it was Christ who saved us. Yahweh Himself drew us to Him when He revealed the Truth we had been searching for all our lives. We were once spiritually blind, but He lifted the veil from our eyes and enabled us to see.We are saved by the grace of God through faith, and even this living faith is His gift, planted within our regenerated hearts.Man does not save Man.God saves Man.
>>539838956>It's also a great illustration of why Christ repulsed all of Satans temptations with verses from the prophets.an important detail is that satan used scripture to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.he didnt make shit up, he straight up misused the Word that was given to us by God trying to tempt the Word incarnate.so Chrsitians too must look out for those that misuse the Scripture to lead the flock astrays, false teachers and prophets, wolves in sheep clothing. (I am looking at you, vatican)
>>539838725You will. You will soon start to see the first drafts and sprouting tendrils of revival creep into your irl existence. People will just strangely start being friendlier, happier and more cheerful. They will be kinder, more gracious and more neighborly. That's when you know people have Jesus in their heart. These outward things are the manifestation of something changing inside. It's going to drive the Jews nuts! Truly, there is nothing they hate more than happy and kind hearted gentiles. People will wonder why such things are happening.>It's happening I will let the Jews in on a lil secret I know. I would conduct the Jews attention to the story of the Israelites and Pharoah. It is the custom of God to lift things up, imbue them with all secular power and splendor, to make them perceived as invincible...right before He delivers a devastating btfo. This is exactly what Scripture says about pharaoh. That he was lifted to the highest heights that God may show His might and majesty through their destruction. So, Jews, do you suppose you are playing the role of Israel or Egypt in this real life meta drama? Verily, Jews, you have been lifted up and vested with every secular power -- and in an unprecedented fashion -- for the purpose of serving as a foil to showcase the Might of God by serving as contrast, antithesis and nemesis. You are the supervillains in this episode. You will share in the fate of pharaoh and tip back a very bitter cup. I think you can all sense this already. And I wanted to validate those feelings for you all.Pharaoh too was stiff-necked and stubborn. https://youtu.be/RrxePKps87k?is=DviEEDOrkVaUz9DA
>>539839328>God saves Man.The God made up by man. When in reality it's man doing the work
>>539840006Do children make up their parents?Did humanity create the universe and all its laws?
>>539833986Keep your Abrahamic religions in your shitty desert.I'm sick of tolerating the presence of these disgusting Abrahamic Death cultists outside of their desert shitholes.Ban Kosher & Halal
>>539839328That is an impressive take. You do have The Holy Spirit indwelling in you. I'm sure you know, but I wanted to positively confirm it for you. And my awareness of that speaks to what you say; we can see each other, and very clearly. >Good fruit cannot come from a bad tree>And a bad tree cannot hear good fruitAnd that all speaks to a point I want to make. They are materialists. That is not necessarily meant as a pejorative, in the sense I intend it denotes a philosophical disposition. It informs their every belief and motive, but they're not even conscious of this. They're not structuring their thinking around a materialistic theme consciously; it's more to do with how they perceive the world in a fundamental way. >For God gave them over to a debased mind ..As such, we can distill and isolate their every motive. We can not only understand what motivates them, but also what they will do. They function on the level of animals. Sophisticated animals, but animals nonetheless. It is they who cannot either recognize us much less understand us. We are a complete mystery to them. It's an interesting thing to observe. We are like a curiosity to them. We perceive the world and our every experience in it in a profoundly different way. We -- I know I do -- evaluate every experience as a function of some spiritual phenomenon expressed in the material world. I see everything physical as an emanation of some spiritual form or essence. And I see purpose and design in everything where they see only nihilistic chaos. It's night and day, and it is they who live in the dark.
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>>539833986Yes and he gave me the strength wisdom and determination that let me throw off the shackles of boomer Christianity. Christian retreatism stops now. No more excuses, no more cowardice, we eliminate the threats to Christendom. We are heaven's colony on earth and the only foothold that the archangels have. We must push forward. We will win. We will bring wrath and destruction to satans horde.
>>539840620>It is they who cannot either recognize us much less understand us1 Corinthians 2:14-16 - 14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.>It's night and day, and it is they who live in the dark.2 Corinthians 4:3-5 - 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.Yes, it's unfortunate, Jesus Christ is who gives us the eyes to see and the ears to hear, in the end it's ultimately up to God to show mercy & compassion unto each person by raising them from spiritual death to spiritual life. While the person remains dead in his sins however they are totally incapable of discerning Truth.We have to remember, all that is Good is a reflection of God's character. This also includes Logic. And so to be divorced from God is to be divorced from Logic. This means that they're incapable of reasoning properly (which is shown by how tricky/slick/deceitful they are when they debate. All the deflections they make, all the untrue things they say that they know in their hearts is untrue but they say it anyways. The way they take things out of context and twist things, making strawmen out of them.I'm sure you know how infuriating it is to "reason" with them, hence God instructs us not to cast pearls unto them if they are completely unreceptive to hearing the Good News. All we can do is scatter seeds, and God will take care of the rest.
>>539840548A common practice among the European pagans was enslaving & selling each other to the Muslims.Christ, put an end to that practice.
>>539833986No, why would I?
>>539840299>Do children make up their parents?Depends on the ck text of the question >Did humanity create the universe and all its laws?Yes.
>>539841396keep it biblical. this 40k larp is cringe.
>>539833986>>539834200yeah he isnt picking up
>>539841399I just read Corinthians not long ago. I was blown away by the experience. This recent rereading of the Bible has been especially poignant for me. It's like I'm seeing it all with new eyes. And I have to say that, on this go-around, I'm especially impressed with Paul. His teachings are so incredibly profound. And you've here cited a few of the very verses I had to pause, take a deep breath, and process the magnitude of what he's saying. The irony is, a spiritually undiscerning individual will read those things and roll their eyes. To us it resonates with with something elemental in us. Like, something in us roars to a chorus of, "yeah, that is EXACTLY right!'...it makes us enthusiastic to read something so aptly and eloquently expressed. I seriously do get excited when I experience these things. And to those haven't ears to hear or eyes to see, its peak folly. It's so fascinating to me. It's so crazy when you come to understand that these simple and blunt-minded beasts think you're naieve or superstitions or something. It's like they perceive reality in 2D and you're trying to explain the concept of the 3rd dimension to them. So we should be forgiving and gracious to them.
>>539835608>>539835673>consulting the deadIt's weird that catholics think it's ok to break the law of the torah that that Jesus himself said he wasn't there to break or dismantle just because they think jesus fulfilled the covenant. In fact he was such a staunch practitioner many of his arguments against the pharisee were that they were breaking the law. Particularly when he attacked (rightfully) the money traders in the temple.
>>539841399I left my first comment after reading only the verses you cite. I got so swept away in memories of my recent reading of Corinthians that I had to indulge expressing it. Ive always thought that dexterity with Scripture -- the ability to access the right verse at the right time in the right context -- is a sure indication of spiritual maturity and the extent of the Spirits indwelling. I have to say, you've inspired me. I'm to get back to taking my reading of The Bible seriously. What you've demonstrated itt is truly impressive. And yes, they are judged within themselves. Why make an enemy of truth? What does it say about an individual when deceit is twisted a moral pursuit?...but only if it's for a good cause. But in such people there's still something redeemable. Their motive, twisted though it may be, is at least aligned with some vague notion of doing the right thing. That's ar least something to work with. It's the people who do evil and promote lies for their own sake. Those are the people beyond redemption. And though it took me a long time to accept this, I came to realize that there are many people out there like that.
>>539841399Btw, and one last thing, im starting to believe that the second coming has already come, that the Millennial Reign was the "dark ages" and that we are presently in what Revelations calls "Satans Little Season". The more I investigate it, the more convinced I become.
>>539843198>im starting to believe that the second coming has already comeexcuse me, but when was heaven rolled back like a scroll, the dead were resurrected and judged and the New Jerusalem that came down from heaven to earth?historical view on Revelation makes way more sense, we are in the Church age of Laodicea and after that judgement.we are just waiting for the implementation and enforcement of the mark of the beast now.covid and its restrictions was a foreshadowing on what is to come.
Jesus answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition.For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,” he need not honor his father.So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me, in vain do they worship me.Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.>>>"Catholic bros there isn't a single justification of traditions in the New Testament are you just going to ignore that"<<<I mean you can ignore me but you might want to listen to The Christ
>>539843198God bless you friend, and all in this thread, if we do not see each other again in this lifetime, then we will see each other in the renewed creation.Hold fast friends, we will continue to witness very interesting things.>>539843407>Church age of LaodiceaLooked that up and every box got checked off. Yep, there's no denying that.
I will rape jesus and obliterate god. I will find a way. There must be a loop hole or some kind. Maybe not. But whatever happens I WILL NEVER EVER KNEEL.
>>539844784yeah you will kneel and gnash your teeth if you dont repent
>>539844852And why are you so sure? Do I have free will or not?
>German flag>14 postsDon't tell me you're that Turkish guy
>>539833986No. What would that do for me?
>>539844852you're a joke you stupid christkike
>>539844929>muh hecking free willnigger you will stand before the throne of God which overshadows all creation and will look into a face of God whos face is brighter than the sun, his eyes are fire and then your whole life will be judged and every transgression will be like searing iron on your heart until you are completely burned up and cease to exist forever.everything you ever though you were, every encounter, good or bad, your love, your hate every good memory will be gone forever like you never existed. its the absolute worse outcome you could ever imagine.
>>539833986What's your evidence the earth is 6 thousand years old and dinosaurs were alive 5 thousand years ago and the fossil record was created by Noah's flood and what evidence Jesus was literally God of the universe here on earth in the flesh performing supernatural events such as coming back to life after being dead for three days and then flying away like superman after 40 days?
>>539845120All of my wrongdoings are god's fault and responsibility, so the dumb fag would have to judge himself.>cease to exist foreverSounds sweet.
>>539845074ok rabbi
>>539845278>dinosaurs were alive 5 thousand years agoDinosaurs and humans coexisted. Dragons aren't just some bullshit people thousands of kms distant from each other all decided to come up with. These stories are shared memory of dinosaurs. We see in Job 40 the literal description of a Brachiosaurus.“Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox.16 What strength it has in its loins, what power in the muscles of its belly!17 Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.18 Its bones are tubes of bronze, its limbs like rods of iron.
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reminder pagans!"Norse pagans routinely reproduced and intermarried with Islamic and Muslim-aligned populations"HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>539836581Christian fanatics say Jesus LITERALLY went back in time and intersct with Moses and Elijha while he was also in the present. They say it was Jesus who Moses saw when he spoke to God while getting the 10 commandments... and the 600 other commandments.
>>539845562That's describing a fucking elephant you ape brain. The cedar tree in that area is small and bushy, literally looks like an elephant's tail.
>>539845895>"Norse pagans routinely reproduced and intermarried with Islamic and Muslim-aligned populations"why is such genealogy nonexistent despite that we had consistent trade with them?
>>539846232Be honest, anon: you threw my text in some AI and just summarized the answer, didnt you? Very knowledgeable for some Australian retard on 4chan to know what the trees from "that area" look like. I dont want to talk to an AI, and thats why im not gonna talk to you.
>>539833986Obviously
>>539833986Is that Christ-chan's little sister?
>>539833986No.I rather not anoy him.Something about not invoking the name of the lord in vain.
>>539833986One needs a certain kind of schizophrenia to believe themselves to be Christian in the Mongolian Basket Weaving Forum.
>>539833986NOT POL. jannies shove this guy to whatever
>>539833986I do sometimes but I just dont see it. I understand the morals and values. They didn't come from god they fame from nature. I just cant see god!! surely he will understand my heart. Thats what I hope for.
