College is for fuckin LOSERS>the trades are the real redpilliykyk
>get replaced by an Indian>get replaced by a Mexican
Office work is comfy. I’m mostly just browse 4chan on my phone.
>>540328555>replacedlabourers are dummies. Skilled trades ain't going nowhere faggot
>>540328605I'm sure a Mexican can learn how to swing a hammer just as effectively as you can, Jim-bo
>>540328482Trades suck ass if you don't work for yourself. You can make a lot of money if you do though.
>>540328482linemen are hyper specific. The only reason they get paid so much is because they could die at any moment. most trades cap out at $30 an hour
>>540328670this is why you go sit at the industry's distributor in your town, and watch. if white men are coming and going youre good to go. landscapers and other low tier laborer shit like auto detailers go to home depot or walmart, there is no distributor for them
>>540328482Who does Joe think he's going to do work for? Aquaman?
>>540328688this. the only effective way to be in trades is to be a sole proprietor or to be in an ownership position. if youre a unionbro or working for someone youre just a wagie with a toolbag
>>540328670They can't run their own business and do high quality work for high level clientele. They can only create goyslop for goys and make money for their kike overlords.
>>540328482those arrogant faggots who go around disconnecting electricity are not tradesmen, they're losers who would still be the night manager at K-mart if they hadn't stumbled across that job.
>>540328555CheckedThe trades only allow shitskins, like every other job
>>540328858Lmao so mad you don't get free handouts.
The trades suck ass i worked at a construction site for 1 day and just walked off after like 3 hours. Nothing but a bunch of chainsmoking alcoholic retards being bossed around by some guy that actually had a degree who came in later and probably left earlier.
>>540328706lol i sat in the truck all day today and make 5k a week
>>540328555if you sign up for landscaping for laboring, you deserve it. get a real trade.
>>540328786union guys are absolutely crushing it
>>540328858>arrogant faggots who go around disconnecting electricity are not tradesmenyoure describing employees of local power utilities? those are wagies
>>540328706Only way to get the trades to work for you is to wind up going to some kind of school anyway. If youre electrician do PLC, if youre a welder learn some specialized aspect, etc. Everyone has to go to an actual school at some point the only people acting like every college degree is some libarts shit are so retarded they couldn't handle any of them. Just a bad attitude from a loser.
>>540328555Indians don't do trades cause it's too hard to fake it/pawn off work.
>>540329016>t. wagie with a toolbag
>>540328706i like how people who clear 800 a week in tips talk about 30 bucks an hour like its chump change.
>>540328482I make 6 figures as a manager at bucees. Enjoy your ruined body tradie. How many fingers have you lost so far?
>>540328916no i'm mad that those stupid faggots don't even knock on your door first they just walk up and turn it off like some kind of a burglar.
>>540329059wagie with a toolbag making doctor-level pay as a HS dropout.
>>540329139lmao i remember you and your MS Word pay stub. FYI, you still have a boss, wagie
A university degree is still the gold standard amongst my peers. It opens doors that would otherwise remain not just locked, but hidden. I know this is 4chan and to be cynical and anti-establishment is always going to be the name of the game, but I would implore young people not to take anything seriously on this website.
>>540329076>bucees manager disrespecting blue collar
>>540328482college is where you go meet the jew that actively sabotages your life so the town he came from doesnt know he's a jew
the military is where the dumber jews you meet that actively sabotage your life
>>540329177>i remember youhello again poorfag>you still have a bosssays "contractors" right at the top.
>>540328482College is for brainwashing. Turns out a bunch of woke retards
>>5403294094chan is where you meet the disabled jews that actively try to ruin your life
>>540328482The main advantages of white men over other races is our appearance and intellect. If you are a white man, you should get a job in business or STEM.
>>540328482>>the trades are the real redpilltrue true, until your body gets fucked up badly and you end up with nothing but liquid, most blue collars dont provide with medical expenses insurance meaning no way to pay for bills and no way to keep making dough tho
Uneducated think they can make more money ROTFL
>>540328482>be me>second year apprentice>making $30/hr>get to move around all day>get to shitpost irl at work>bringing home 2k/week net (fuck ton of hours through), currentlyOnly thing I can complain about is my foot and knee and that shit started 20 years ago (sports injury).
>>540329051Not true, plenty of Indians in the merchant marine. Good men.
>>540328482The irony is i knew someone like the left but he was Tim not Jim. If you went to uf 09-13 iykyk.
>>540329355Do you file a 1099? If you don't then you aren't a contractor
>>540329355retarded replies like this are how you out yourself and your MS Paint pay stubs. youre a contractor, yet a third party is taking deductions out of your pay? type more, wagie
>>540330281>Do you file a 1099?nope>>540330411>yet a third party is taking deductionsyes.any more questions, poorfags?
>>540330547>Do you file a 1099?>nopelol. lmao. Have fun working for literal communist for nonexistent currency you fucking retard
>>540330766yes. I'll continue to be rich and accomplish all my goals while you collect piss jugs.
>>540328555FPBP
>>540330868just make sure you wear a hard hat buddy
>>540330547>>Do you file a 1099?>nopeyoure a wagie you stupid bastard. also how come you still use your July 2nd MS Paint pay stub? its August dumbass!
>>540328555> acquires disability from a job > finds out the insurance is complete aids, get not 1/3 of the pay and struggle with permanent disability Trades are shit. Working under a boss pays shit. > just contract and find / maintain your own clientsThen you're a business owner / independent contractor. Guess what, consultants, programmers, lawyers who do that make way more without occupational hazards that require expensive insurance.
>>540328670I'd enjoy seeing an underpaid illegal Mexican install a 480 three phase control cabinet.
>>540328706$50+ is standard in many states. $100 total package is very achievable, even without living in a high cost of living area.
>>540331081I have heard of mexicans who have died from getting hit by 3 phase twistcords that fell in a puddle that he was standing in
>>540331191doing what kind of work?commercial?
>>540328555Trades are probably not as easy to replace with AI than most college miseducation.
>>540331232Operators, electricians, plumbers, pipefitters, carpenters, even laborers can all make $50+ if they're union.
>>540328482Sure but you will look 80 by the time you are 35, and walk around thinking stereotypical sun damaged males that watch sportsball type things and drive a large vehicle with way too bright headlights and be a scourge upon the earth. When aliens take over, the Ford Raptors, the Silverados, and the tesla drivers will be the first to hang
>>540331422>if they're union.does the idea of being a sole proprietor not even register with most people? the freedom of scheduling, the autonomy, the ability to give out cash discounts. what the fuck is it about these unions that draw people in?
>>540331191Exactly. All unions, even those in CA or NY, might start at $48/hr, but the real going rate in the field is closer to $100 at the higher end when the benefits are added in. t. I work for a private tech company but we do public projects. I get paid over $100/hr on the west coast. i actually have my BA in history too so I'm a true hybrid of OPs picrel
Encouraging white people to stay out of higher education was a psyop
>>540328482Enjoy working 50 hours a week and being crippled by 40 lmao
>>540328482Working is for losers. Winners get to have fun all day and live off the government for free.
>>540328482Joe the lineman had a large dick in his mouth and a ball sack resting on his chin.Thats the only way you get in the electrician union hall where I live.
>>540328482>lineman>100k
>>540328555Actually they have such bad reputations that people actually ask me before I do my quotes if my workers are jeets
>>540329051Tons of jeets in asphalt scamming people
>>540328482>implying the middle class actually still exists and are willing, paying customers insteadFix your own shit and make better at a white collar job. I saved $400 by replacing my shower's cartridge myself and all it took was a nine year old YouTube video, a trip to home depot, channel locks, an allen key, phillips head screwdriver, vice grips and a small brass wire brush to clean off the corrosion. Took 30 mins.
>>540328786>sole proprietor Start an LLC instead so you aren’t personally liable for losses
>>540328706What? No they don’t. I am in a trade and I make $100/hr+benefits, so all in like $150/hrElectricians, while high up the residential ladder, are mid tier in comercial.There are no Mexicans in big dick comercial where billions are on the line. Only whites.
>>540328482Enjoy the back problemstc $200k
>>540331828>BA in historyBy all means practically useless and very niche, but based fellow autist.
>>540328482>100k annually>works 80 hour weeks to get itThis is the part they always leave out
>>540328482>>540328555something profoundly fucked up about encouraging 17 year olds to move into a field where they're going to have to fight through a mountain of other workers every day to earn the privilege of not being able to function in your 40s
>>540332956Nah, I am 200k on the check with 40’s
>>540332881>concrete crewMexicans supervised by Whites>rebar crewMexicans supervised by Whites>roofersMexicans supervised by WhitesI reject your premise.t. Works in construction
>>540328482https://youtu.be/HwqjZ84gD_c
>>540333017Project manager or superintendent?
>>540328482Philosophy degrees aren't easy to get though, most of the holders go on to work jobs that require a brain and hence do well
>>540328916Lineman jobs are literally free handouts and heavily subsidizedt. Lineman
>>540333062it's always the foreman bragging about how hard he worked to take over his dad's company
>>540333017Lies
>>540331610>the freedom of schedulingUnion homebois working as contractors have that. You negotiate work hours at the start of a job. If you don't like that job? Leave. You'll find a new one within a day by calling up the hall. Want to take half a year off? Sure. Your platinum-tier healthcare is covered, too. You get way more than that, even.>autonomyYou answer to the customer and to lawyers if need be. Union bois don't answer to shit. Maybe the foreman if they feel like it.>cash discountswho cares, literally>what the fuck is it about these unions that draw people in?the highest pay, a million-dollar pension, free healthcare, job stability. Gee IDK anon
>>540328482I don't like being around either groupYou "do" you, Jew Anon
>>540333098Ah, gotcha. Least they keep it in the family.
>>540328482>look liberals! I am retarded! I have a boring job that gives me little money and no power!>look, I'm eating my own shit!
>>540331828>All unions, even those in CA or NY, might start at $48/hrThese niggas can't comprehend because they're so used to sucking red-colored dick to stop and think about how hard their 'based' conservacuck employers are raping them in the ass.>UPS drivers make $50/hrThat's the pay for fucking package car drivers in the Union. Meanwhile 'normal' wagies still think they're hot shit making $25/hr just LOL
>>540332847it is i suppose i'm referring to self employment>>540333217>cash discounts>who cares, literallyfucking lmao
>>540333032>lists the three worst trade jobs
>>540333227Stop namefagging
>>540333382>cash discountsthat's all you got out of my post? really nigga?pea-sized brain-tier shit anon. Do better
>>540333395I just rejected his premise on the facts, not the shittiness of the work. Tranquilo, panuche.
>>540333511could you post a more current pay stub?
>>540333119>>540333098>>540333062I wish I was a PM, then I would make so much more when bonuses come out. No nepotism either, I am legit a wagie with no stake in the company. I only make 28.25% over the normal rate, and am not even close to being one of the highest paid. There are a lot of very specialized trades that make a lot of money>>540333032Yah, I don’t mean the construction of the fucking core and shell building you retard
>>540333703The fuck are you then a crane operator?
>>540332918respect back to you fellow above avg IQ chud. we unite by virtue of LAN
>>540333703>Fed Filing Status>Mthe real victory bros
>>540333325Thats facts. This tech company only has to pay this out to their private employees by CA, OR, IL, and NY law. everywhere else, my job is a wagecucks job, in blue states, we are actually paid like the engineers we are.
>>540329051lol you've never been to vancouversikhs run a lot of construction companies. and almost every building going up has an indian investor, and many of them just buy companies outright and keep the white staff on. they also hire their useless relatives that they make do the dangerous/illegal things everyone else refuses to because you can't say no to uncle. i knew a guy who got his hand cut up because the indian electrician who installed the dishwasher ran 110 instead of 220 and it caused the glasses to overheat to the point they shattered when you grabbed them. everywhere you go, you see loads of sikhs doing roadwork with plastic turban covers for the rain.
>>540329198>A university degree is still the gold standard amongst my peers. It opens doors that would otherwise remain not just locked, but hidden.Only if you are connected or related to someone hiring. Or DEI. Or went to such a posh school that the right handshake get you into banking or something. The remaining 99 percent of degree holders get nothing - apply to 10000 openings, have 12 internships, years experience, every skill there is, then have to suck cock and grovel at interviews...then get to do that in an office full of henhouse gossip and passive aggression for decades. Wonderful.
My buddy is a plumber who does t pay his water bill then when the city comes and shuts it off he just turns it back on again.
>>540332727you basically have to diy. try and get a plumber to show up to your house, i fucking dare you. i defy you to do this.
>>540333703Oh yeah, ironworkers and millwrights handle that here. It's mostly Whites on the jobs, but you have some blacks and Mexicans mixed in there. If it's structural welding though, they have to have their certs. Welding certs arent something you can bullshit. I trust that paperwork any day over idpol. American Welding Society standards cant be faked.
>>540334058Based
>>540334058Homedepot sales the item needed to turn it back on, you dont even need a special tool technically. Water should be free or free because its covered by taxes
>>54032913968 hours a week is brutal though.
>>540334329its fake
>>540334058You know you can completely bypass a water or electric meter. It's illegal as fuck and you're in shit if you get caught, but it can be done.
>>540334021This poster typifies the classic "loser mentality" that seems to be common amongst generation z cry babies today. Just put the fries in the bag, I've not got all day.
Nearly everything done in an office is essentially adult daycare - "presentations", paperwork, answering emails, spreadsheets, etc. Such stupid work even retarded LLMs are poised to wipe it out. Only the highest level R&D pure science and engineering to make real shit at the frontiers, not derived from prior art, will be the kind of white collar work left. Otherwise you better upskill on making shit in the real world, be it trades, handcrafting crap, medical. No more Lazy Girl jobs, wagie.
>>540334460No, get a real job as per >>540334460 lazy girl.
Never ever work small company blue collar, You will have to work with your bosses retard son or daughter who can't do shit and earn more than you for doing nothing. And you will work for three people.
>>540328844That's where you get the Indians.
>>540334329>68 hours a week is brutalOvertime is optional. If I worked straight time I'd make 133k a year + pension + health&welfare + free healthcare. Total package over 200k.But seeing as I'm not a FAGGOT. How could I in my right mind turn down $100/hr?
>>540328482I fell for both memes. >t. 30 and unemployed
Best tradie job I've ever seen is this "stationary engineer" shit - no fancy college degree needed but real word knowledge in high voltage and mechanical systems. Half a million dollars!The fact a jeet took this good trade job should motivate you swabs, that could have been one of you!https://nypost.com/2018/10/05/this-nyc-sewer-worker-made-over-530k-last-year/
>>540334734>working 68 hours is based>pretending his ms paint paystub is realtype more
>>540334865cope
>>540333079It's one of the degrees people who want to go to law school get. But without getting a JD or MBA etc. a philosophy degree has really low return on investment and job opportunities. OP could have at least compared it to a nursing, computer science, or business degree, since those are the most popular fields. But those degrees are also pretty hard and require a lot of math, so people do something easier like a BA in English. But unless you got that English degree with a solid plan for what you're going to do with it, it's not a great option.
>>540334962still waiting for that current paystub. get the lines right this time
>>540333703>time and a halfAh yes, this bullshit:>"I work the trades and maje 6 figures">How many hours you work?>50 minimum How many 60+ hour weeks have you pulled? By this stub's data you worked 52 hours.*laughs in WFH data analyst*
>>540328482Trades ruin the body before 2 years
>>540334966Apparently AI companies are hiring lots of philosophy grads now for the various ethical safeguard schemes they are researching. As a dual CS and philosophy degree holder this is greatly amusing as it appears my humanities degree is apparently more valuable than CS in the AI era.
Honestly what do I do?I got offered a job for $27/hour doing what I used to do in a factory. But I don't want to do that shit anymore.It's not enough.Rent starts at $1500 a month around here. Houses start at 400kAll the trailers (which I'd be fine with) all come with a fucking 458 dollar a month HOA fee.If I don't start making 35 to 40 dollars an hour my life is basically nonviable.I don't know what to do anymore.I have almost 100k in savings. Living with my parents at 32.I thought about learning mobile car detailing, but the more I looked into it the less stable and less lucrative it looked so I gave up.
>>540334772>decide to look up stationary engineer >salary around $80 000 CADNot bad>job prospects:goodThe government always says there's a skilled labour shortage>job postings: 3 in the entire province Wut
>>540328482AFAIK trades alone is fairly shit, you also need to either go into a speciality and/or develop your own business within your trade.Maybe the public work pathway is also good although I imagine it's bureaucratic and difficult to get into without connections in many places.
>>540333032>I reject your premise.I reject yours based on work done in Arizona and New Mexico, whites are specialty work based on artistry and unorthodox tech but normal stuff is either mex or shitcanos.Also for some reason i do admit electrical engineers are becoming "rare" in Arizona despite being lots of tradefags, i suppose it's the pay because most people pay 25/h while traders want 40, hence poaching freshly-graduated engineers from border states down south.
>>540328482Dude on the right is like mid 50s or rough late 40's and still working a dangerous physical labor job.College is a grift, but it's also required for most office jobs as it signals you come from X background. Whether it's right or not, people stereotype each other for what sort of upbringing they had and they do this at all levels. The super rich dislike new money largely for this reason. College educated middle managers are threatened by someone without a degree having an office job.On the other side of it, college degree is a HUGE filter, even if retards can get one. It guarantees someone can plan long term, commit to something big and adhere to a schedule for four years. That alone filters out a lot of people and is useful from a hiring perspective when you're rolling dice on complete randos.
People just straight up die in the tradesNo wonder they like to party
>>540328482>100k Lol
>>540328706$30/hour sounds like a probably cap working for a small crew on residential stuff.I'm not in the trades, but I assume ambitious people graduate onto more industrial level stuff that pays more, if not start their own crew once they learn the businesses end to end.
On the other hand, people with psychosis, fears, sin, and addiction get killed off pretty damn quick and only the truly Virtuous seem to survive trades
>>540335186>>540329076>>540329615I can understand why women and some men do OF content instead of working trade jobs. The argument against OF content is "but what about muh honor? What about muh reputation? What about muh family name?"Ok, so working a body destroying trade job is honor? Getting horrible cancers, getting lung disease, going to surgery, and dying early is honorable? Medical bills can wipe out what you make in months or even years working at a trade job.
>>540328482what about a bachelors in some kind of engineering?why not mention that?why are you like a jew on the talmudvision trying to convince goyim they should steer away from higher education?colleges offer more than degrees like philosophy. and some are closely partnered with massive corporations like Goodyear + Akron University and offer many internships to get an education and work experience in a field related to your degreewhen Good Morning America is doing segments on how parents should be pushing their kids away from college and in to trade schools, you should be doing the exact opposite.
>>540336431See>>540336346
>>540328482What if I do neither of these and make 55k?No debt and no college
I guess that's why white collar construction managers are such scum, since they have to LARP like the virtuous tradesmen theyve seen before
>>540332583How does one ask that in a developed country without getting the diversity police literally knocking on their door?
And try to reconstruct their image of him from sheer monkey mimicry
>>540331081> crimping metal to other metalHow hard can it be?
>>540336152>It guarantees someone can plan long term, commit to something big and adhere to a schedule for four yearsDepends on college, if they make your entire schedule and randomize them every 6 months it's usually a sign that someone can withstand chaos and uncertainty but it filters the rational and methodical students
>>540331610Unions exist so lazy people don't have to do any of that. It's like a modernization of the guild system.
>>540331610>being a sole proprietorBest way to get sued into living under a bridge. At minimum LLC that shit. Even if you want to work alone. You can't do it until you're a master. You need the master electrician's license to pull a permit. So no starting out right from apprentice, unless you can hire a master and make him a corporate officer so he can license the company. That means you have to start as a wagie through apprenticing and journeyman. And if you can get good union work or at least davis-bacon union rate work, you earn more than if you work as some solo wolf's bitch or for some mom and pop owned small biz where MBA assholes ruin your life every day and don't understand shit but how to get their mommies and daddies to pony up 10% down for a $4 million SBA loan to bootstrap a crew, warehouse, staff, insurance, and office.
>>540335058>>540334376Bodied that freak.
>>540335737Go into a specialty then you sit on your ass 90% of the time Its a rule in america the people that make the most money do the least alwaysYou can bust your ass doing shit work or do something retards can't or won't
>>540336844it is an LLC. i shouldve been typing 'self employment'. and idk about master or apprentice or davis-bacon or any of that. i just install pool equipment for insurance companies and manufacturers like Pentair. in cali all you need is the D-35 and the guy who trained me signed the five year experience form when i asked him to. its comfy work
>>>/u/4586669Sup /pol/bros? We are celebrating summer with other boards right now. Can you come to this thread >>>/u/4586669and say "Happy S/u/mmer!" to us? We'd appreciate it. Thank you. Happy Summer, /pol/! With love from /u/!>>540328482
>>540336443going into engineering is the absolute worst thing you could do. all engineering fields have been thoroughly getting jeeted for at least about a decade.
This whole thread is retarded. Just wagies shitting on wagies shitting on wagies... Muh blue collar, muh white collar, what fucking difference does it make if you're working for someone else? Sure, I'd rather be in the AC than out swinging a hammer in the heat, but I'd go dig ditches for myself before I'd sit in an office doing shit to make someone else rich.>one life to live>spends 45 years of it working for someone elseI just don't fucking get it.
>>540328605>Skilled trades ain't going nowheretell that to a cabinet-makerthe industry has been eaten alive by ikea flatpack bullshit
>>540337119>>540335058You may cope.You may seethe.
>>540337181It would probably be easier if I just called you a faggot here.Happy summer, faggot.
>>540337361do you even do anything other than work and sleep with that many hours? how long is your commute?
