Doctors understand this.Normies don't.Doctors like it that way.For most conditions, the body can only heal itself.>But the drug my doctor prescribed will make me heal faster right?Wrong.It will likely give you benefit of healing faster due to the placebo effect, rather than from the drug itself.Every drug proven in a clinical trial comes with 2 numbers attached:NNT: Number needed to treatNNH: Number needed to harmThe first number is how many people in the trial needed to be given the drug in order for ONE person to get a measurable benefit above the number of people on placebo who got that benefit. NNH is the number of people who need to take it before one person in the group gets harmed.For tylenol, NNT is 3. You're actually UNLIKELY to get pain relief from tylenol, unless you're the lucky one in three. The rest get the placebo effect and kid themselves into thinking the doctor ordered it so it must be helping.For statins, the NNT is more like 50-300 and the NNH (e.g. risk of brain damage - but they call it 'cognitive impairment' which sounds better - from taking statins) is often on par with the likelihood of actually getting the benefit.
tylenol was always shit.nimesulid on the other hand? that shit cam bring back the dead.
Is there no way to compensate for the placebo effect in drug experimentation?I seem to remember that there is and that this is actually a standard part of any such experiments, but I must be mistaken.
>>540699699>/pol/ in 2016: Whites are superior because of their rationalist, scientific achievements>/pol/ in 2026: Reason and science are fake
>>540699907Nazis building rockets is not the same as kikes in pharma. Hope that helps.
>>540699802It's called a double blind study.Let's say I have 500 dosages.I use a random number generator to determine which dose is placebo and which one is real.Then I hand the whole tray to someone else.This person then distributes the dosages.This means neither patient nor distributor knows what is in the pill.We then look whose symptoms change faster.If there's no difference the drug is considered a failure.OP is retarded.
>>540699699Nigger what the fuck are you talking about. Paracetamol(tylenol) is a fever reducer and it WORKS.
How about medicine for animals you dumb nigger? You think they understand placebo, esp when they trying to spit up pills you have to trick them into swallowing?Holy fuck.
I hate that most cold medicine is just tylenol. How about put some shit that actually helps in it? At least get me high or something damn
>>540700153Take the whole package
>>540699699Fact: OP is full of shit.
>>540700153WDYM ACTUALLY HELPS NIGGER IT REDUCES YOUR FUCKING FEVER WHICH IS THE MOST DEBILITATING PART OF IT.HOW DO YOU NIGGERS CARE FOR YOURSELVES? YOU CANNOT BE REAL FUCKING PEOPLE THERE IS NO WAY.
>>540699699they usually just treat the symptom and not the cause.>back hurt>get opioids, >thatl be 1 gorrilion dollars goy>yay back doesnt hurt as much>oops you had a tumor this whole time, well time to dieOr something less dramatic. Heartburn. what do you do for heartburn? Take antacids so the acid doesn't irritate your esophagus. Whats a common cause for heartburn? Low stomach acid which fails to signal your lower esophageal sphincter to close. oops
>>540699699>everything is placeboYou are a fucking moron who can’t into chemistry. You are distrustful of the world because people lied to you, and now you’re on a journey to prove them all wrong about how they are being lied to. Just stop.
>>540700349Stomach ulcers are now known to be caused by H. Pylori; treatable with antibiotics. Doctors prefer to prescribe ongoing proton pump inhibitors. A walk around the parking lot at your local hospital will clue you in to which master they serve
>>540700286An elevated body temperature is how your body fights the infection. Of course you schemers want to bring it down; the same way you put ephedrine in cold capsules to stop the mucousal flush
>>540700496>rareflag. witnessedquiting coffee abuse and lion diet fixed it for me. of course doc prescribed inhibitors.they assume everyone is on pills, at least from 20+ onward>be me almost 50>doc: what pills do you take?>me: none>doc: surprised_pikachu.jpgEveryone I know over 50 takes at least half a dozen pills every day, they don't question it for some reason. They think I'm nuts when I tell them not to take statins and eat a lot of eggs. It's bizzarre.
>>540699802By giving 50% the placebo, doing a headcount of the number who get the benefit in both groups.If more than 5% more people benefit in the drug group than the placebo group, that's regarded as a statistically significant (proven) benefit.
>>540699821>help doctor a rusty nail bit me will I catch its diseases?it's a myth that rusty nails spread tetanus.
>>540701499Retard
>>540700135>my dog got better on drugs it must have been teh drugs
>>540700286In 1918 they thought asprin was the cure for the spanish flu because it numbed the body's fever response. People were strongly encouraged to take it.(greatly increasing the number of flu deaths)
>>540700286i want to feel better idgaf about a fever
MFW various pseudointellects getting upset in this thread don't have reading comprehension or understand what "likely" means.For the slow people let me explainify:- Likely means >50% probability. A drug with an NNT of 3 has a 33.3% probability. That's called "unlikely"*.- Drugs with an NNT <=2 are likely to help vs perceived placebo benefit.- Most drugs have an NNT >2 which makes them unlikely to help a random test subject.*They taught this at school but the vaxx causes memory loss.
Explain double blind studys
>>540701861OK retard.- 1 group gets placebo- 1 group gets real drug- Some people get better or worse in either group.- Statistical significance threshold is 5% or greater difference between the two groups. Hopefully higher but 5% is the accepted minimum standard.Drug is thus statistically proven to benefit more people than a placebo does.That doesn't mean everyone gets a >=5% benefit from their prescription. It means more than 5% of people over the placebo group got the benefit.Typical normie misunderstanding.
>>540699699No shit. Most medicines don’t treat the underlying disease. They mainly alleviate symptoms related to the disease/disorder so that normalcy can be maintained. However, if the medication regime is halted, the symptoms return. This helps generate continuous profit for the pharmaceutical industry. If they cure you, then they lose a lifetime customer. But if they just treat your symptoms, they have a consumer for life.
>>540702137Yes, a .05, or 5%, standard deviation is the established standard threshold for most scientific experiments. However, being 6% better than the placebo doesn’t necessarily mean the drug will be approved. Sometimes there are extremely negative side effects that have a low chance of occurring, but are so severe that the risk is not worth the approval. This is often overlooked though, like with the COVID-19 vaccines, depending on the situation. Basically, drug approval is all situational and relative. In our country, with how corrupt the FDA is, the process is held hostage by big pharma lobbyists.
>>540701144Did you take the vax?
>>540700153Why would you take medicine for a cold? Just get a blanket and some soup tf are you getting medicine for lmao
>>540700153Take Sudafed. It is like speed and treats a lot of upper respiratory and fever symptoms. You do get a slight high from it. And it is over the counter since recently.
>>540699907>retards in 2026: "I'm in this picture and I don't like it. Stop attacking me!"
>>540702407do I strike you as retarded?
>>540699699Most medications aim to reduce the symptoms or compounding conditions, which allows your body to heal more quickly and makes you less miserable in the mean time.Antibiotics are probably the biggest exception as those directly fight infections.
>>540702531A little. You think reducing fever pharmaceuticaly is a good idea. You go to doctors. You aren't totally retarded because you refuse the brain dissolving stations. Perhaps you are just young
>>540700090You need the fever to enhance the process of destroying the virus.. sure it works but not in your favor.
>>540699699it's amusing watching the "compulsory education" experiment fail as proles willfully revert back to the long-running mean: abject mental retardation.
>>540702868>You think reducing fever pharmaceuticaly is a good ideaI didn't mention that anywhere. Honestly once you reach 39C+ it may be a good idea to take it down a little for a while so you can get some sleep.I go to doctors when I need some paper signed or to allow me to take some time off work because I feel my body needs time to rest. Also when I suffer some injury due to sports usually.I had lumps under my chin so I was kind of worried, doc came to conclusion my esophagus is burned by my stomach acid. Would love to be young again, lmao.
>>540701144>quiting coffee abuse I have completely cut-off caffeine from my life, since August 2024, and it has been a bliss ever since; calm 24/7, and more energetic than before.
>>540703707>I didn't mention that anywhere. HSorry confused your flag with similar shaped different colors. Mea culpa. In the early days of coronachan, the chud consensus was a cold bath for life threatening protein cooking fevers
>>540699699yes bro antibiotics is all in your head people died of TB because they didnt believe
Fact: OP is a jeet who is envious of white people's superiority.
>>540699821Unless that rusty nail is sitting in animal dung on a farm you wont get tetanus.
>>540704169>picks the one type of medication is the exception to the rule
>>540705080dude youre gonna keep saying that for everything that actually works lmfao
>>540699699They were never meant to heal only suppress while also giving you more problems (side effects) so you take even more medications until eventually you get so sick from them you die.They want us dead. Go back 100+ years and medicine was completely different, and natural.
>>540699699So the placebo effect rule should be true for vaccines as well, correct?
The pill is nothing. The mind is everything. I’ve been able to use intense visualization to heal nerve injuries in my feet, a severe cold, at least two perhaps three times. What’s wild is initially it was trying to visualize, soothing, or removing things sort of mechanically which had one level of power and then I was able to get up into abstract, symbolic levels, where you’re actually manipulating energy to manipulate energy, and that seemed an order of magnitude more powerful. For example, I would try to create a black screen in my mindand then wait for an image appeared to me. I wouldn’t try to project my imagination onto it, but I just passively waited, and then in one case a chamber appeared in my mind made up of tissue. Like biological tissue I mean. And then everything looked fine, but there was this one anomaly in the corner, where if all the walls of the chamber were like a light white blue there was this one protrusion of the corner that was red. I focused on healing that with energy and then the protrusion went away and then in a couple hours, my cold was completely gone. Is an advanced technique, but the initial mechanical method I tried where I was focusing on nerves in my feet where I would soothe them with this white cream took longer, but eventually worked.I’m thinking this can be taught through intense imagination and visualization. Of course it would put 99% of the medical industry out of business.
>>540700090>I have a fever, the way the body fights infection >let's lower itNever understood this retardationSome are both pain and fever reducer but why would you want your sickness to last longer idgi
Actual useful shit:DMSOChlorine dioxidePeppermint oilMagnesium oil
>>540700013OP is not retarded. nothing he says contradicts with what you just said. In fact, OP wrote:>a measurable benefit above the number of people on placebo The anon you are replying to is retarded, and possibly so are you.
>>540705080Anticonvusants for epileptics work. You go off them and you will reliably start getting seizures again.Ask how I know.
>>5406996993 people take statins. Only one of them needs the statin to prevent another heart attack. The other two will not have a heart attack whether or not they take the statin. Nobody knows which one will be the one to have the potentially deadly heart attack. Statin side effects are mainly a bit of muscle soreness. Who takes the statin to prevent a deadly acute coronary syndrome and who boldly declares they are too smart for medicine? I'm taking the statin but that's bc in not retarded like OP.
>be retarded: muh medicare for all, muh universal healthcare>doctors: oy vey, i make 50k/month. who knew free healthcare could be so profitable>dave chapelle on reparations: They just couldn't get rid of that money fast enough (laughs in british)
>>540708805The word MOST was in capital letters in the thread title. You managed to misread it as "ALL" just so you could have your little reddit moment.
>>540710002You are taking statin also because you are amerifat and according to your doctor there is no other possible way to look after your body than by taking another drug
>>540709609Well you don't want to get too hot and cook your brain. But yeah, so long as your internal temp doesn't go too high, but does destroy the virus/bacteria, then your good.
>>540702137Is there a name for the type of study in picrel?I think it's pretty clever.>Give an active drug to 2 groups>Tell one group they're receiving the drug>Lead the other to believe they are receiving a placebo>Discover the benefits of the drug itself vs drug + wishful thinkingIt's a small study but a shame adverse effects weren't reported to form a placebo/nocebo profile.Such a study could also easily be expanded to include a real placebo group.
>>540711847idk what it's called but I can imagine why they don't do it more often
>>540699907this but unironically
B vitamins have healing properties
>>540699699>healing propertiescome from insurance. insurance companies. companies who care. care about you. you, the changing consumer values
