What the fuck happened here? The biggest crackship theory I've heard is that people were schizos before it and it got magically cured, thus leading to a civilizational collapse
>>541073344The sea peoples were possibly jews.Jews massacred hundreds of thousands in Cyprus a few decades after they crucified Jesus. True bolshevist style, I think they sawed native Cypriots into pieces while they were alive.
>>541073344>What the fuck happened here?Human natureAnd it's about to happen again. Human history has been wiped out many times over the last 1,000,000 years.
>>541073534probably trojans.
>>541073344It never happened. Modern historians made it up.The ancient people's in question have no record of it happening and never talked about it. The only reason why modern historians say it exists at all is because there is a 300 year gap in their timeline where nothing happened and they have no records. A "dark age" they can only explain by the collapse of civilization and the end of writing. But then the ancient people just came back, with the same language, technology and culture and no records anything ever happened.https://youtu.be/SFxZHg74nHg?is=0gLQVVry4ulxxDem
Dont use the term Palestine. Use the term Israel.What happened was the negroid civilizations were invaded by the whitoids. Whitoids were less civilized but more militariatic and they collapsed the negroid civilizations.
>>541073750this. the greeks launching a war for a whore is most likely what did it. the bronze age relied on palace economies, which existed in a literal chain/route, rather than a web or trade network. once troy fell that route was broken and it all fell to shit
>>541073913Was her pussy really that tight?
>>541073861>militariaticYou have negroid in you, huh?
>>541074221Yes, actually. One whore to rule them all. Without her tight gushy hole, troy wouldn't fall, aeneas wouldn't lead the trojan refugees to rome, and without rome christcuckery would never spread through europe.
>>541074221snatch was tighter than camel's in a sandstorm
>>541073344>turkeyAncient Anatolia was R1b Aryan, not "Turkish". When you see white Turks that's basically what these people looked like (they had first alphabet amongst so-called Aryans who migrated into Europe by the way).
>>541073344Collapse of Minoan Crete and their trading network when the volcano popped. Younger dryas.
>>541073750>But then the ancient people just came back, with the same language, technology and culture and no records anything ever happenedWell that's not really true. The Hittites never came back. Linear B died out completely. The Egyptians and Assyrians didn't go anywhere but rather existed in a diminished state.
>>541073534>The sea peoples were possibly jews.No the jews are descended from arab bedouin tribes called "habiru" or "hapiru". They were not part of the bronze age civilisations but lived on the outskirts of them, being nomadic mercenaries, robbers and goat herders.
Why do people always bring this up like it is some profound thing that relates to modern day? The fall of Rome has way more parallels with modern society, and the White West are inheritors of Rome (America itself being nova Roma and spreading the lingua franca of English through complete domination of politics and media) with almost all of our systems based on theirs.
>>541073344>What the fuck happened here?one theory is that climate change caused crop failure in the central mediterranean and the refugees (really entire societies) move east in search of resources and arable landthe civilizations in the eastern mediterranean were struggling due to the climate shift but were stable until huge numbers of people just showed up on the doorstep.the "collapse" started in greece and generally travelled clockwise around the mediterranean, with each civilization that collapsed adding more members to the refugee/migration wave>>541073750this is objectively false. we have records of kings writing to each other asking desperately for aid against foreigners invading their land and burning their cities. we can see the layers of ruined cities buried beneath later development. you can argue the collapse aspect is overblown, since rural areas seem to get along just fine and urban development resumes relatively quickly, but the palace economies characteristic of the bronze age mediterranean absolutely disappear and never come back
>>541073750that was a fictional 300 years. filler years. never happened.
>>541074781>No the jews are descended from arab bedouin tribes called "habiru" or "hapiru"."Hebrew" word means "one from beyond" as in an outsider from beyond the river...and outsider from beyond the border...lots of crossover there yo
>>541073344I think it was caused by the climate being fucked after a volcanic eruption, Correct me if I’m wrong.
>>541073344likely some sort of unrecorded volcano eruptionlots of "cold winters" or "bad crop seasons" or "rainy seasons" in history can be attributed to events like very powerful volcano eruptions that had worldwide consequences
/his/ hereIn 376 AD the Goths would cross the Danube to escape invasions by the Huns. Invasions of this kind were mass acts of desperation with almost every warrior levied and trying to win land quickly so their families do not starve. The Romans discovered the Goths with their Germanic shield walls were a match for their legions and the rest is history.It appears something similar happened around 1200. Around 1300 the Urnfield culture migrated to central Europe, by 1250 they had migrated south through the Balkans clashing with the Mycenae. The Mycenae resisted for a while, the archaeological record indicates massive fortifications projects, however these fortifications were burned and destroyed around 1200-1190, all except Athens. This event may well have sparked reverence for their protector goddess Athena.The sea peoples were not the Urnfield culture however, they are described by the Egyptians as various tribes ranging from modern day Sardinia to southern Italy to Greece and the coasts of the Aegean. They were already seafaring peoples and as the northern invaders and other desperate refugees approached, they took to their ships and sailed the eastern Mediterranean with one goal, take land before their people starve.Urnfield of course references their use of funerary urns, which are actually mentioned in the Iliad, meaning the Iliad took place after they had made contact and was possibly a consequence of this tumultuous era. They brought other artifacts such as elegant bronze long swords, which were adopted by the sea peoples and carried to the eastern Mediterranean. Only Egypt survived, the last diplomatic letters to their old enemies the Hittites a different tone, gracious and conciliatory, like quarrelsome brothers forgiving each other as one lays on his deathbed.
Brown people. The cause is always brown people.
>>541074852probably because of its link with the collapse of tin + copper trade, i.e it was a system of civilizations that relied on the equivalent of our global supply routes to make the tools that gave its rulers power
>>541073344it was a migration crisis. thats what happened. sea ppl came in, and stressed out the local economies and existing cities. then even more sea ppl came in just to raid. everything just fell apart, trade networks collapsed, and so the cities had to be abandoned. unlike today, where you can just go build a suburb to live in, it was like 5k yrs ago, so there wasnt anything out there but savages. everyone starved, then fought over the scraps. within a generation, most knowledge on how to run everything wouldve been lost. so they couldnt even put it back together again.cities are only sustainable when you have a functioning society holding it all together. mass migration coupled with longterm intl political and economic instability caused the bronze age collapse(s)
>>541074852It's brought up as an example because it illustrates how complex global systems integrated with disparate cultures can cascade due to external and internal pressures and contradictions.
>>541075059Technological change is enough to potentially break the tin trade: iron makes warfare a lot cheaper.
>>541073750I mean at least people suddenly forgot about cyclopean walls and potentially other megalithic work. However it does seem like there was a previous collapse already at the beginning of the bronze age, were people initially forgot how to handle big rocks. So it's possible that pre bronze age collapse, people were already larping and cargo culting how to play with rocks. And after a seconds collapse, it was just over for good and nobody remember a thing about anything and people just wondered and presumed it must have been giants that build the walls. Seems like our past is full of crazy shit and people suddenly forgetting everything about anything.
>>541073344Achilles harassed the Hittite Empire until it imploded
>>541075059The problems we have are nothing similar though. Basically all of our modern problems come from foolish and malicious management from retards, 5th columnists, and kikes. Trade isn't the problem either. It is, plain and simple, non White foreigners who cannot grasp the concept of sustainable populations or functional society.>>541075208I suppose the concept is vaguely similar of global systems collapsing, but the causes and problems could not be more different. Again, the fall of Rome is way more applicable just because of the sheer amount of corruption, collapse of trade as the empire became less safe and overrun by barbarians, apathy towards worsening conditions, and because the bureaucracy and framework is most similar to what happens now.
>>541073344Society became too complex, too centralised , and too dependent on long distance trade, for tin for making bronze All it took was a push for it all to come unraveled >biggest crackship theory I've heard is that people were schizosBicameral mind theory is a charming story but I'm not persuaded by it
>>541075095>so the cities had to be abandoned.the cities were generally not abandoned. most of them were sacked by "sea people" ie refugees looking for food or resources to try and trade for foodsome of the more fringe cities might have been abandoned
>>541075273Without writing everything is passed down through “know-how.” All it takes is a generation or two of societal disruption to potentially lose the knowledge of how to quarry, move and dress huge stones that gets built up for generations without writing. Even with instructions written down it’d be a huge setback.
Imagine living in ancient times like this. You have Elon Musk levels of money. Money and power beyond comprehension. And there is no social media, internet, or even any mass distribution of news. And most humans are uneducated people living in the bubble of their immediate community, their only connection to the outside world are nomads and merchants. You have all this money and power and you can just do whatever the fuck you want without fear of your actions spreading across the world instantly. Holy shit. Just imagine.
>>541075507We're seeing this already with knowledge gaps for things like making injection moulds
>>541073344It's the same basic progression playing itself out over and over again>civilization emerges>the powers that come to dominate achieve great success>the bronze age equivalent of the baby boomers know only good times>the society completely overleverages itself during the good times thinking the good times will last forever>they don't> a series of problems on every level begin to slowly erode existing systems, such as population increases that become dependant on overburdened agriculture which then suffers from routine climate shifts, droughts, etc.>output and the sources of power decline for several generations>increasing amounts of conflict emerges as everyone squabbles over what little resources remain>some hard men on the fringes smell blood in the water now that the armies are being worn down, the state finances are decrepit, and urbanization and overexploitation of natural resources leads to severe internal political and social disruption>said hard men invade and burn and loot and take everything overThis has played itself out repeatedly across history. Rome, the Maya, several times to China, and probably several others like the Olmecs. The Bronze age is just another example. The only reason it's so mysterious is because we have just enough records to know that it happened, but not enough to know precisely what happened.
>>541075542>You have Elon Musk levels of moneydelusional retards that think they'd be the 0.001% of royaltyyou'd be the illiterate peasant just scraping by each year
>>541073750Historians came up with a distorted timeline so that they could discredit the Bible. Whenever they find archeolgical remains of Joseph, Moses, the walls of Jericho, etc. they attack it by saying, "this site was already destroyed 300 years before the Biblical events therefore the Bible never happened".That's why they can't let it go despite how obviously false it is... because they would then have to admit the Bible is historically accurate.
>>541075507Yeah sure, but it's still strange as it didnt happen in one place, but all around the med shore region. It does seem like a whole culture got completely wiped out to a point were nobody even remembered them or wrote down anything about them. And it's not like people couldnt write at this point. Maybe not the builders of the walls, but at least their contemporaries. Also, why wouldnt people pass down the general gist of what's the deal with those walls. Sounds like you need a few generations of mad max, to completely forget anything about your ancestors. Or it wasnt your ancestors in the first place and you just settled in their ruins.
>>541075619yes. i am imagining being this hypothetical ruler. i didn't say this is what i would be.
>>541074781I always thought the perpetrators of the late bronze age collapse were the hyksos, who were kicked out of egypt 300 years earlier, and were a multinational federation of people but were mostly dominated by jews/canaanites/punics
>>541073750>and never talked about it.ok retard
>>541075946Semites have been evil barbaric shitskins all throughout history
>2072>the knowledge of how to compile programs in C is lost>global internet outage>chip shortage, LLMs become too expensive to use>people hoard functional electronics because they can't be replaced>expertise required to make the magic rocks disappears>societal collapse>computers and space travel become the stuff of myth and legend>ayylmaos laughing at us from their spaceships watching it all happen>again
>>541075584Agree. It gets memed here but the Apollo rockets were built by wizards.>>541075849That’s why my theory is the Minoans and their trade network collapsing along with whatever environmental effects of Santorini popping off around that time was a major part. They were a relatively technologically advanced maritime culture with nothing left to lose. Who knows though, really?
>>541075542Imagine having all that power and authority and proclaiming yourself a god, but still being riddled with parasites, burning up with no ac, and then dying anyway with mercury poisoning from the "elixir of immortality" your court physicians/quacks prepared for you.
>>541075946This seems possible, since Phoenicians were a sea going people
>>541073750The Egyptians recorded it extensively.
>>541076336lel>God, why have you cursed me? i sacrificed so many children and infused the heavy metals into my blood- what more could you want?
>>541073861We use the Roman calendar, it's the month of AUGUST, we're going to call it Palestine.
>>541076059>I get my history from HollywoodAnon I...
>>541076112indeed, and in the case of the late bronze age collapse, they wielded all the other browns against egypt and destroyed it because they couldn't control it, just like todaythen they founded carthage shortly after ca. 800 BCE, and shortly after that were the three greco-punic wars (ww1, ww2, ww3)then after greece faded and rome rose you have the three punic wars (ww1, ww2, ww3)then there were josephus' wars of the jewsthen there were the crusadesnow here we are today
>>541073344>What the fuck happened here? Easy. Some online shit told you that history is bullshit and that something, with a snap, destroyed the Bronze age. You are an American. There's the failure. You are dumb as fuck and should just kys. I hope this helped.
>>541074409>and without rome christcuckery would never spread through europe.The schnozz on this bot post.
>>541073344The bronze age mind was different. They weren't quiet seated behind the glass. That took the pressure and symbol processing of civilization to happen. More people began seeing inward and the old systems of outward dominance felt wrong so they simply moved on.
>>541076112some other historyfags would know more about this than me but i'm wondering to what extent the earlier civilizational collapse, before the late bronze age collapse, the fall of ur/uruk/sumeria was due to foreign punics in their midsti mean abraham himself is supposed to be from ur, but not a native of ur, right
>>541075584It’s ok, I know a guy. He’s like 70 and retired but I’m sure we can pull him out of storage whenever needed.
>>541073344Bicameral mind theory was made up by a jew. It’s nonsense. Best theory about Bronze Age collapse is that it’s an invention of historians; a collection of unrelated events, some of insignificance. Whatever was going on along the Mediterranean coast might have inspired the Trojan war. The (((Phoenicians))) existed before the “collapse” but historians call them Canaanites during the Bronze Age and Phoenicians in the classic Greek era
>>541073706The Trojans were settled. At Troy. The greeks are the ones that arrived by boat and destroyed the settled civilisation.
>>541075804Leave the room when adults talk, child.
>>541076799And it wasn't the Greeks because the Egyptians were very familiar with them.
>>541073861Palestine. Die in a missile barrage, kike.
>>541076730It could also just have been the shift from bronze tools to iron. Since iron was much cheaper, small settlements became more independent and the big cities and palaces became less important. A village blacksmith could produce tools which previously would have had to come from the king's bronze foundry. With this, the big cities lost their significance and withered away.Just an idea I thought of right now
>>541076413This. As they were the only ones who defeated those sea people. It prbbly was some shit with sun, that causes a mass starvation and a huge attempt from accross all of the mediterranian to take from egypt the last fertile land that grows at least something.
>>541075542you understand people were regularly murdered for their station in the hierarchy? >calumny>intrigue>detraction>torture was the preferred avenue for fact checkingthe history of people who thought they could do whatever the fuck you wanted is well documented
>>541073344Mycenaean Greeks and Sardinians having a lads night out and then becoming the Philistines or summat
>>541073344you had Joshuas war on canaan starting around 1360BC which destabilized the area, then the Trojan war in 1184BC against a major ally of the hittites when the hittites were weak and finally broke that empire, so all of anatolia and canaan and most of mesopatamia was in chaos and ripe for raids from veterans of the trojan war who plundered the eastern med at this time, partially leading to and partially congruent with a major civilizational collapse in many of these empires.
>>541074887yes and Egypts hyksos rulers were descendants of Joseph/Jacob.
>>541080452see the amarna tablets being completely consistent with Joshua's war in Canaan per the bible.all that stuff really happened.
>>541073344>Giants of Sardinia>Destabilistion of Eastern Mediterranean after collapse of Minonian Civilization (Atlantis)Look up archives for Hyksos and expulsion of Seth cultists from Egypt
>>541073344people were schizo before the collapse, then they stopped being schizo and it collapsed?i dont get it.either way, we need another collapse, so may the C people rise up again and reformat our drive, do you see?
>>541074781hapiru sounds a lot like ʿApiruor herbrew.
>>541080954>people were schizo before the collapse, then they stopped being schizo and it collapsed?>He's talking about the Bicameral Mind theory The hypothesis that the bronze age ancients thought of their internal monologue as the literal voice of the gods talking to them. So they just drifted through life in a hazy dreamlike existence, hand in hand with the gods. Your personal god tells you what to do and you do without thinking.Then as society became more complicated, they found themselves having to deal with unexpected situations more and more often, particularly with dealing with outsiders.This led to the abrupt realisation that the voice in your head isn't a god, it's just you thinking, and society fractured.This comes from a book "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"The author collects various pieces of evidence, both literary and archeological. Such as the noticeable difference between the Iliad and the Odyssey. The characters in the Iliad seem like automatons in the hands of the gods, whereas Odysseus has an inner mind which we can see.
>>541082182Just expanding on that, the author (Julian Janes) does make a pretty good case for his bold assertion, even if I don't think he ultimately succeeds.He starts off pointing out how ritualized the very early civilizations were. There was a little god for everything, which told you how to do the task at hand. And he points out the prevalence of ancestor worship. Skulls and even entire preserved corpses were kept in the daily living area as if the ancestors were still alive. So within that mindset, if you think to yourself "hmm what would my grandfather do" and the answer comes to you, might you not reasonably think that your dead ancestor is speaking to you.Essentially he asserts that the Late Bronze Age was the ultimate development of the ancestor worship mindset, before it all fell apart as people realized that the voice in their head is their own, not someone elses.I'm not persuaded that this situation lasted as long as the bronze age, but there might have been something like it in the stone age. But I think that was long over by the time of the bronze age
The children of Herakles were the Sea Peoples. Sea Peoples confederation:Denyen, Ekwesh, Peleset and Teres were from Minoa.Weshesh were from Minoa or Troy.Tjekker were from Troy or mainland Italy.Lukka were from Lycia.Shekelesh were from Sicily (possibly Minoans who fled to Sicily during the Bronze Age Collapse).Sherden were from Sardinia.During the Bronze Age Collapse, the Sea Peoples came together from throughout the Mediterranean as an armada, together they also became known as the Philistines, and to the Greeks they were known as the Phoenicians. https://executiveconcern.substack.com/p/sabbath-millennium
>>541073344Tin needed to be shipped around. They didn't know how to isolate tin, but they needed it for bronze. When one of the links in this supply chain failed, war (with bronze weapons and armor) became much more difficult. This led to a peaceful, but less mobile period. When iron was figured out, the raiding and travel began once again. Is that a collapse? not really.
>>541075059bingo>>541076680Civilizational collapse is normal. Every empire fades. >>541077722If no tools, then people would've been forced to leave the cities. If iron tools, then the cities would have enough food coming in to exist.
>>541073534Lmao yeah all those famous warrior Jews whose strength and military renown stretch across time lol lmao
>>541083151This sounds plausible
>>541083495Additionally.less men running around with weapons = less need for the safety of the city walls. Not having your own weapon = less likely to travel to city to trade your wares. Less travel = less stories of towns burned to the ground and everyone raped and enslaved, granting an illusion of safety in the countryside
>>541073534Sea people are from the mediterranean Europe, probably from Greece, dumb nigger.
>>541073344Ramses III man-handled them. Too bad his whore wife slit his throat while he was sleeping
>>541073344At a certain point every single succesful civilization becomes corrupt and inept as economic prosperity robs the culture of its vigor, and merchants and shysters displace generals and philosophers as the social leaders. This is turn makes the population weak as people start to value money and comforts above all other things. The structure rots from the inside out and the nation becomes primed for hostile takeover as the men who would and could fight for its survival refuse to protect it due to the state casting them and their values aside. We see this repeated time and time and time and time again throughout history, so it's a very predictable and easily observable state of affairs. Rome didn't fall due to the Huns sweeping down on them: Rome fell centuries before when they broke the social contract with the citizen men of the Republic and the legions became filled with foreigners and opportunities who were loyal not to Rome but to their generals, like Sulla and Caesar. So what likely transpired was a period of exceptional peace and economic boom in the Mediterranean weakened the great civilizations of that time, then foreigners driven by climate change or losing wars moved in, found the Mediterraneans weak, and conquered them with sword and semen, and after a few centuries the sea people had adopted the local culture and shed their own but for all intents and purposes had demographically and ethnically replaced most of the older peoples. Like how the Greeks of today are a mix of Muslims and Africans and central euros, all who have nothing genetically in common with the ancient greeks.
>>541073344The Philistines, (original Palestinians) Had Mycenaean Greek customs and material culture... one theory is that when they collapsed they moved east
>>541074221She wa a 14 year old blonde.Yeah, probably, at least until she got back to Troy.
>>541083974more than you thoughbeit, Rajesh
>>541073344>people were schizos before it and it got magically cured, thus leading to a civilizational collapseProbably more accurate than not, proving that schizos are actually not civilization destroyers, but civilization preservers. Now that the reverse is happening, and there are an increasing number of schizos, interesting times will finally once more arrive. The civilization destroyers of today will be erased.
>>541084149the eternal war of the schizo vs the pyschopath. Normies always lose.
>>541073344It was a bunch of smaller groups who figured out they could do constant hit and runs on merchant routes and people near the shores with little to no repercussions and became more emboldened the more success they had and the existing empires were too fat, lazy, and top heavy to do anything about it until it was way too late.
>>541074746Younger dryas preceded the bronze age collapse by about by nearly 9000 yearsNow if you want to talk about the XY bottleneck around that time, the increase of cannibalism during that time, or how the first neolithic explosion sputtered out at that time, cool
>>541084242>likely>believed>believed>linked>unclear>most mysterious, unknownI hate historians so fucking much man.
>>541082182The fucking stoned ape theory makes more sense than the bicameral mind
>>541083431kek
>>541073534No the jews were already established by this point as being in Canaan as per the Mernepte Stele.The sea peoples were specifically new comers, most likely from greece and italy as the collapse hit them hard so they probably just chimped out and invaded egypt and the levant.>>541074781Incorrect the Hebrews descend from Abraham (PBUH) who is the progenitor of the Ishamaelite arabs (arabs predate him, the ishmaelite arabs over time were dominant and intermixed with other arabs save for some areas) and the jews via Isaac (PBUH).Its a well accepted by scholars that Abraham (PBUH) was from Mesopotamia and so the jews and ishamaelite arabs descend patrilineally from what is now Iraq.>>541073750Egypt recorded it, the reason most records of it are gone is because the nations were gone.Its like if we collapse now and people go "there are like no records" and yeah a global economic collapse and war does that.>>541073913Almost certainly not the only cause, but yeah troy is calculated to fall during the collapse so it makes sense that under global strain of trade we would see key players on the trade routes fall.Infact its very possible helen being kidnapped either didn't happen or was a convenient casus belli since without her the greeks would probably be pushed to attack troy under the conditions of the collapse.If we assume the greeks turned to raiding and razing during the collapse then its another case for them being the Sea People's with their first victim being troy.
>>541073861Hey retard, Palestine comes from Filasteen which comes from Pelaset which are a tribe of the sea people's who invaded the region during the collapse.So Palestine is historically accurate as well since this specific period and topic relates to the Peleset.The Kingdom of Israel was established AFTER the collapse you absolute mongoloid.Palestine invaded before Israel did as the jews disobeyed God's commands to seize the land.So while the Jews WERE in the general region by this time they had yet to establish their nation as a political entity.So the big boys in the region were Canaan, then Peleset, the Israel.If you want to get spicy then you can go before Peleset with stuff like the hittites but lets not make it silly, we are talking about people who settled permanently.Go read up on some bronze age history and early iron age, its real good stuff man.
