Bishop Richard Williamson>Everything going downhill since the renaissance>The inquisition was based >Enlightenment was bad>Democracy is bad>Monarchy under Papal rule was based >Fascism gets a bad wrap >Holocaust never happened >Vatican 2 was a coup>The Church should go full medieval and incite the faithful to establish a global theocracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyMCWXaVieY
>>543164758Mingling faith with politics is known, through secular history, to be 100% antichrist. Not a Christian spirit behind this. You can defend the truth without becoming like the muslims / jews.
>>543164758And what about that northern part of Ireland?
>>543164959It wouldnt be perfect, but it would put the breaks on some of the worst developments. How many abortions are there globally per year ? You know the Popes used to frequently stop wars, they had the power to do this. They would literally treat the Kings like bickering schoolchildren They would threaten interdicts (no masses, no weddings, no funerals) and the kings own consorts would force the king to obey They imposed many good laws on Kings who would have otherwise gone full tyrannicalPopes could not really go full Tyrant because they where held to the cannon and baseline christian teaching
yes
>>543166533>You know the Popes used to frequently stop warsRETARD ! ! !
its interesting actually, theres a huge section of the church who still believes in the aboveits why despite pretending to be frens with the church the CIA/NSA/MI5 ect. are all deeply suspect of the Church its not under state control like the Russian ortho church. Its an entity unto itself, and they are watched carefully because they are afraid the radical wing will take over
>>543164758The catholic church is the main reason we are in such a mess.
>>543168694how so
The catholic church is dead, i fear. Its just a place for boomers to repent, theyve completely lost the youth. Such a revival from this stage would truly be miraculous.
>>543164758He was so right.
>>543169676i think whoever does the stats is lying anon. The media says the church is deadyet where i live in rural ireland, every nearby town and village on Sunday...you cannot find a place to park a car, Churches are packed then there are even obscure Saints days that i never even was that familiar with...like in small villages, cars parked like a mile down the road,i think all the rampant media degeneracy has caused a resurgence
>>543164758Tell me, how will rubble rule the world?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1TSZDiiHOc
>>543164758Kill yourself fucking mongrel devil!
>>543170429its not bricks and mortar anon, they are just representations. the people in the church are beholden to the teachings/codexthis means if the church had control of the political sphere it would curtail/prohibit the worse aspects of the secular world/economy they would be restrained by the cannon and church. i know it sounds a bit strange to our modern minds but think about itthe church imposed a huge degree of humanity on the worst aspects of kingdoms back in the day. like i said when kings wanted to go off script and start huge wars the popes literally treated them like bickering schoolchildren and forced them to stand down. even kings where terrified of the popes because of the interdict you think the church is inhumane ? your an anrchosocialist ? you know cannon law put in place all kinds of protections and economic rights for the peasantry, communal land rights to farm plots on church estates and so on (all this has been written out of history)''the dark ages'', its technological determinism. the middle ages as the bishop explains where in many ways better (altho people had less money than now)
>>543164758Yes, the issue is not too much man-worship. The issue is not enough man-worship.If you could just worship jesus more, things will surely improve. You just have to believe more, then the power of the collective make-believe will sweep the entire world.
>>543164758Abrahamics have ruled long enough.
>>543164758the roman catholic system is the Babylon of the end times.come out of her my people.
>>543169520the jesuits who serve the papacy is responsible for the current state of the world.all authority was given to Jesus Christ, not the papacy.
>>543164758it is prophecy that the whore will subdue entire nations, yes.
>>543170429you know in cannon law its not illegal for the hungry to take food from the fields ?its not an issue of charity, they have a statutory right to glean enough to be full. the landowners legally had to allow them because the land didn't belong to the owner ultimately, it belonged to the church/God go and research the rights the poor had under the church that they lost (reformation led to full capitalism and so oneveryone thinks life was pure terrible in those times. it was very hard in tiling til harvest. but then they pretty much had the rest of the year off, tons of mandatory festival and holy days and so on
The priests at my local "trad" sspx parish beg me for money, try to hook me up with used roasties and are devout ziggermiggers. It does not matter if you financially support various established families at the parish: you are still not one of them and they ultimately want nothing to do with you. I have their numbers blocked so I never have to deal with it ever again. I hate german "Americans" so God Damn much its unreal.
>>543164758There was a time when the church was fighting for control of nations with rulers. It didn't work then and it sure as shit isn't going to work today.
>>543171230>its not an issue of charity, they have a statutory right to glean enough to be full. the landowners legally had to allow them >>because the land didn't belong to the owner ultimately, it belonged to the church/God >>go and research the rights the poor had under the church that they lost (reformation led to full capitalism and so on>>everyone thinks life was pure terrible in those times. it was very hard in tiling til harvest. but then they pretty much had the rest of the year off, tons of mandatory festival and holy days and so onWhy the fuck are you typing like that
>>543164758papism is a joke
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>>543168694The Catholic Church used to have the same approach to spreading the faith as the Muslims do today. That's why the Muslims are winning now while the Catholic Church is shrinking. The problems of today come from the Catholic Church backing off from the way they used to do things. Blaming Catholics for current year problems is like blaming so-called Colonialists because Africans can't help but destroy their own infrastructure and kill each other the moment they aren't ruled over with an iron fist.
>>543164758I'm just not all that keen on getting molested by a gay priest.
>>543164758The church would have be totally reformed first. Like every other institution on earth, it is infested with psychopaths and traitors.
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>>543164758>Everything going downhill since the renaissance>Enlightenment was badThe nineteenth century was peak tho
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Wtf. A lot of bots in this thread.
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>>543171123>>543171176>>543171227yes on the surface the reformation seems like it was good, but look deeper. yes, they where right about many things. in catholcism they veered from veneration of saints into idol worship (this is satan working in the churchbut the reformation has the spirit of rebellion also, led to huge wars. many who agreed with much of what they said just stayed quietly in the church to avoid thisallot of Catholics are a bit confused about idol worship, but the baseline christian teaching remains protestants while right about some things where also wrong in some doctrines, like the belief that faith healing by miraculous means was satanic and stopped after the resurectionprotestants enthusiastically took to modern pharmacia do to this doctrinesatan works in all movements as does god
>>543170161Yeah here it’s growing bakc again as well. Thank Jesus>>543171123>>543171176Kike alert
>>543166533> Advocating for separation of powersHes almost getting it
>>543171227Your women are the whore. your nation is Babylon. It will be thrown down to hell by God. (You) are a golem. Hitler was one of the two witness prophets in revelation. You’re fucked, kiddo.
>>543113342>So your fundamental position then is a soul sleep for prior to Christ, and then paradise after?>No abrahams bosom for those before because iirc you said that was just parable?>Im just trting to understand you better this pointthe biblical position is that everybody enters the state of soul sleep upon death. all those of faith from the OT and those after Christ are all waiting to be resurrected.nobody went to heaven or is conscious. everybody from Noah and Abraham until today sleep in the ground.Jesus explicitly uses the parable of Abrahams bosom to rebuke the notion of an afterlife since it was a pagan concept and not a doctrine of the hebrews.they simply picked the concept up from egyptian since the scholars studied in Alexandria, a mayor pagan hub.when you die there is nothing, but the next thing you experience is the resurrection and the judgement. no floating around or living in some other state or place. you sleep, and then you awake and thats it. no need to come up with mysteries about an afterlife.
>>543164959Faith and politics were synonymous for most of civilization.The word still used today to denote ruthless and psychopathic statecraft - Machiavellian - was coined at the very point om time that papal power waned and the secular rulers got the upper hand.
>>543164758The Renaissance had nothing to do with Christianity. It was a result of the Church being weakened to the point that people could rediscover Roman writing (Romans who, in their time, though Christians were retarded), but even the ideas that came after were tainted by Christianity's warped world view which is how you get Communism. Moreover, a fuck ton of the problems of the world are caused by Christianity. Immigration is mostly funded by the Church because the third world is more Christian. The faith also sucks the dick of Jews (I mean it says it multiple times in the Bible). In fact, the reason there is any push back against Israel is because of Christianity declining across the west. And you want to bring that shit back in full force?? If anything, the Church needs to die. Christianity is what has held back the European peoples. It had 1,700 years and it fucking sucks. Europe rose in spite of it, not because of it.
>>543171713jesuits were converso kikes that infiltrated the papacy.
>>543171856Ok rabbi
>>543171858Hey uh, Say that jews are satan’s disciples real quick for me, rabbi thanks
>>543171552Wut.
>>543171903You do realize the entire faith is based around worshiping a Jew (who was called a Rabbi lol)
>>543171646>but the reformation has the spirit of rebellion also, led to huge wars.do you not know about the many wars before the reformation under the papacy?how many christians were killed in the name of rome and the sack of constantinople?how many christians were persecuted and killed by the inquisition.how many christians did the papacy genocide for not bowing to rome?>like the belief that faith healing by miraculous means was satanic and stopped after the resurectionrome declared traditional healing methods satanic and witchcraft. it was all about having relics and blessings for healings which is false doctrine.God gave us every plant of the earth for our benefits.>protestants enthusiastically took to modern pharmacia do to this doctrinebig pharma is just another jesuits tool. the covid plandemic was the most recent example and had jesuit all written over it.>satan works in all movements as does godI agree, but God also identifies who Babylon of the end time is. and it fits the papacy like a glove.
>>543171856>Christianity is what has held back the European peoples.
>>543164758There's the inconvenient fact that the catholic church is the one behind mass immigration.
>>543172014Jewish in name, though a lot of what Jesus spoke of is very anti-Jewish. Namely, accepting worship and claiming to be able to pardon sins, things not even angels could do, only God. And rabbi just means teacher or master, it's only in recent history that we began to associate rabbi with 'someone who teaches the Torah and Talmud.'
>>543164758Fuck no, the Catholic church has been infiltrated for decades. Only a retard would care what it has to say. And this goes back to usury ie hundreds of years ago
>>543164758Yes
>>543171279>fell for the tradcath memeyou only have yourself to blame
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>>543164758It’s been extremely, undeniably anti-male, western and ethnic European for decades. The church was able to speak out against communism but not the demographic destruction, replacement and eugenics of western populations? Fuck off
>>543166533And ultimately the pope had the power to excommunicate the king and damn his soul for eternity, a threat that still meant something.Even in a secular world where spiritual consequences mean nothing, the body politic could employ social ostracism and opprobrium against leaders and elites.That people cannot even bothered to do that much against creatures such as the Epstein crowd (or worse, actually celebrate such behavior), probably means the world is too far gone for pronouncements from the RCC to mean much of anything.
>>543172100>the church generally curtailed intra christian kingdom wars>inquisition gets a bad wrap and the numbers are exaggerated (it was to prevent the ascent of things like liberalism that brought the modern world)>crusades....you have any idea how many people the caliphates where murdering and harvesting in slave raids in se Europe ? >trad healing was witchcraft powered by the blood of murdered infants >faith healing was powered through faith in christ>church was not against herbs as medicine >yes protestants big on modern science and pharma because they said faith healing was satanic >whore of babylon is new global techno-digital transhuman interface, powered by the main nations (catholic church tried to suppress science and innovation to stall this, that was the inquisitions purpose)
>>543173012>>the church generally curtailed intra christian kingdom warsthere was constant war under papal rome.>>inquisition gets a bad wrap and the numbers are exaggeratedno, the real numbers are being kept secret by rome.>you have any idea how many people the caliphates where murdering and harvesting in slave raidsthe caliphates were the result of papal interference in the first place.>>trad healing was witchcraft powered by the blood of murdered infantsthis is just complete garbage. herbalism is used to this day as effective medicine.>>faith healing was powered through faith in christno, because the papal institution is not under Christ. there were no faith healings under the papacy because it is antichrist.>>whore of babylon is new global techno-digital transhuman interfaceno, the whore of Babylon is a church just as Israel was called an adulterous woman by God.Babylon is a fake church that whores herself out to the world for power and influence and is fulfilled in the papacy.the popes twitter handle is literally @Pontifex
>>543164758all true
>>543164758Will need some militant faction to do assassinations to actually get anything done. Jesuits were / are all about that and the kikes of course are.
>>543164758>>543164959>Render unto Cesar what is of Cesar and unto Christ what is of ChristThey aren't even hiding it
>>543173320>no the vatican mostly stopped wars. there would have been far more without them. using interdicts highly successful, then Pax Dei (in war now forbidden to murder or enslave peasants, destroy vital infrastructure and so on...even during war totally forbidden - armies afraid to break these rules) like the bishop explains...they where literally terrified of the Church so certain lines where not crossed. Hard to understand now, even full psycho kings where afraid of the pope, and pope literally saw them as annoying bickering schoolboys >vatican tried to channel the factional infighting into the defence of the realm against the caliphates, who any objective history will show where objectively the evil of the two sides >church pretty much wiped out slavery in europe, gave extensive rights to peasents and funded huge expeditions from tresuries to go into caliphates and buy back thousands of enslaved christians >church never against plant medicine >church tries to suppress science and tech because it leads to the modern beast system (protestants much more in favor of science and tech)
>>543171852Not exactly synonymous, we can say that ecclesiastical and political life intersect because they both concern people living in a society, but when politics become the end in itself instead of a means Christ is no longer the focus, it's a spiritually disordered state were political victory, ideology, or power becomes the ultimate end.Jesus himself had to deal with problems of heated political nature, it's unavoidable, but always shifted their focus, or rather he subordinated them to a greater truth and reality, he didn't let the faith be reorganised around politics.
>>543173988>>church pretty much wiped out slavery in europeyes, because it became the new SLAVEMASTER>because it leads to the modern beast systemthe beast system was always the papacy. its a political empire.
The vatican is the whore of babylonHer many harlot daughters are all christian schisms and protestors stemming from rome>they keep her apostasy and traditions more or less intactPic rel, long time coming is her Judgement for being drunk off the blood of the saints- and this is one such perspective from research of baptists who themselves arent blameless either in upholding rome's traditions to a lesser extent
>>543174397you the zaddock calendar guy?
>>543164758Yes, we should be ruled by the Jews.
>>543172277>what Jesus spoke of is very anti-JewishBesides the fact that Romans 15:27 says to give the Jews money, the entire basis of Christianity is Jewish in origins. You know the whole "beating a Chicken" thing. That's basically what Jesus is (instead of the Chicken its a man and its all of sin). Same with the messiah. Its a Jewish concept. Not to mention the Old Testament, which is canon by the way, is taken straight out of the Torah. Nothing about this faith is not Jewish. Like Judaism, it's a slave morality (which is what the Jews were, funny that). Its worse than Judaism because it teaches that it's OK that the gigachad is making you suffer. You get to go to the fairytale land called Heaven because you were a good goy. But let's ignore that fact and just look at reality. A big reason support for Israel has evaporated is because people don't worship a Jew anymore. You can wax poetically how Jesus was not really Jewish or Christianity is different, but ditching Christianity has been the biggest boon for Europeans to escape Jewish control. On that ground alone, Christ should be rejected (and there is a reason they are scared of pagans)>https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/646214/support-israel-hampered-declining-religiosity.aspx>>543172165The irony here is that Hitler privately hated Christianity for its Jew worship
>>543171123You need to update your bullshit man. This is actually stuff addressed by the church. Don't just take shitposfs from /his/.
>>543174128>beast system was always the papacyWhilst i agree, though its not all clear cut and dry; more of a decentralized power pyramid in all honest accountsOnce they rejected the Cornerstone of Jesus Christ; they supplanted the eye of horus/false providence in His stead and made lucifer the capstoneJesus Inverts the masonic pyramid, for from Him and Him Alone are all the nations BlessedWe always see meme infographics like picrel and others floating around: most tend to incorporate new age heresies however, not realizing that majority od those psyops are intentionally muddying the waters and misdirecting peopleEver sincr tiktok hybridized this process of sharing esoteric occult secrets, alot of nonchristian influence has corrupted some of these fundamental truths of the grand spiderweb of connections and intricaciesAnyone with the Holy Spirit can always subject these spirits in question to testing and scrutiny; doesnt take much investment on your end when God's the One doing most of the work involved with Exposure of the devil's lies and slanderMost people subscribing to these things will be led to controlled opposition camps if theyre not born again by the Blood thoughbeit
>>543174128>no it abolished slavery in Europe almost entirely. as everyone in church/in Christ, it was full heresy to try to enslave someone with a christian soul >huge amount of rights bestowed under cannon law to the common ppl, the history and reality of this has been pretty much wiped out>this is why the primary way they would try defending people in colonial times was by converting them, once converted they could not legally be enslaved. the Vatican literally created armies to fight Spanish and Portuguese who tried enslave indigenous American converts all this was a result of the gospel through the church subordinating the political and economic systems to its power >his will be done on earth as in heaven contradicts the alternate view that christians should merely meditate and pray and wait for the afterlife its messy obviously because Satan controls much of the world system, but christian spirit still breaks through even when the institutions inc the church are perverted by satan
>>543174494Yessir, i came from the other thread once you invited me/us(?)>>543174632And you can likewise look at the actual fruit of the vatican- its pretty obvious how satanic it isJust take the jonathan kleck pill, picrel, its a crowned serpent that gets exposed through architecture as much as whats inside both literally in a physical sense as much as the corrupt false clergy that hails lucifer and mary/ishtarCatholics culturally appropriated christianity onto the babylonian mysteries; its literally that simple
>>543174591Something else to add onto this and this whole discussion. The fact is that Christianity is just in decline and has fallen pretty consistently. The least Christian group is Gen Z and its lower among Whites and Asians. You aren't going to "save the west" by trying to force the faith back. Worse, is that its declining faster with women. So any Christian movement is going to be a sausage fest. In a world that is becoming more feminine focused (due to a mass reduction in infant mortality), you can't have a religion that scares the hoes. The west will have to either accept a new spirituality (Paganism is far better because it has a better defined place for women other than "womb") or be atheistic and secular and create a moral framework (which is what Roman and Greek philosophers did but this requires you to be smart and Christianity tends to be for the stupid)
>>543164758No.Catholic church in the US is a bankrupt NGO.In central and South America they are mass human sacrificing to Santa Muerda idols.It's practically extinct in Europe.
>>543164758No
>>543174697>subordinating the political and economic systems to its powerthis was never what the church was commissioned for by Jesus Christ. we are not called to rule be to be subject to the rulers just as Jesus told Pilate that God had put him over himself.>>543174848yes, just wanted to answer your question from yesterday. nothing more.here >>543171821
>>543174591>Romans 15:27is about christian jews being persecuted by jewish officials.
>>543174913>It's practically extinct in Europe.my man, the catholic church infested every aspect of life in Europe politically and economically.its in total control.
>>543171821So are you stating the dead dont wake up in hell/heaven/whatever its just fastforwaed to the Judgement and then those respective eternal destinies?
also, what i observed is verified in the new figures >United KingdomChurch attendance jumped from 3.7 million to 5.8 million, driven heavily by young adults and adult baptisms.>IrelandLong considered a secularizing nation, recent European Social Survey data revealed a "strong uptick" in practice, with mass attendance among young Catholics aged 16–29 surging from 7% to 17%you literally cant find parking near any churches in my area on sundays esp saints days and things
>>543175117yes exactly. hell is not a thing until the judgement.heaven is what we experience in the new creation of heaven and earth with Jesus Christ in eternal life down here.
>>543175206how long do you think they can retain new converts? most of them will move on once they realize its not what they were searching.
>>543164758Have you seen the last two popes?
>>543175271most catholics just believe the standard christian gospel like you. some are just a bit confused/prone to praying to saints (church said as people asked for saints to heal them in life same in death)seems a bit wayward imo. allot of catholics would agree with protestant objections. good ones dont think to rebel, they just quietly lead lives in line with gospel (they might think the statue adoration a little off_)they just go to mass, do confessions, pray to God. likely as many good christians in Gods eyes who are Catholic as protestant
>>543164758Bro you play too much Warhammer
>>543175209Well i disagree on a couple accounts of some examples that may or may not relate totally or in part to what you and i can share as common ground and then up to when differences or disagreements ariseIll just state first that there is the case to be made with the 144,000 and the multitude that they lead out of the tribulation; another exception thst doesnt prove the norm instance where we were previously discussing what is necessary where you said we all die- these individuals rather will be preserved throughout the tribulation and never taste death in a similar sense to enoch and elijah; but in their instances they get caught up / raptured, and in the twinkling of the eye moment they get glorified and literally walk into the marriage supper of the Lamb and the new kingdomI know there is two ressurections as well as two Judgements; one at death and one before the white throne of God where all are Judged according to their works in the book of life of the Lamb of GodI basically wanted to concede from yesterdays discussion that while there are disagreements between our repsective beliefs around this stuff theres both a complexity and simplicity that goes above and over our heads- to know the exact Will of God on a case per case basis of every gentile or unbeliever that ever lived and died and, as some poorly believe in, say they all die and go to hell is a stupid assumptionI know the Living and Loving God Has Mercies even upon the wicked, the righteous just know Him and seek Him in that knowledge, but those without the law dont have the things contained in the law respective of their circumstances- and in the age after the gospel, we have a host of historical grievances as we were poor example also- seeing as we are in agreement with catholic apostasy also, how much more those that they led astray and blinded for countless centuriesIm not one to be judgemental of God's Grace or His Judgements on our eternal destiny, i see Grace abounding 1/2
>>543175542do you think the eucharist is a mere representation of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross or do you think its the literal blood and flesh of Christ that you need to consume to have spiritual life?
The Days Of The Antichrist Zionist State Of Israel Are Numberedhttps://youtu.be/4nMndElkUlA
>>543164758Why not, might as well go for the gold.
it sounds very odd from a modern thinking perspective that the church would persecute people for innovation and science but look at modern scienticim, pharmacia and transhumanism technology (5g brain machine interface) its like the tower of babal, trying to suppress scientific development was likely a good thingand they did not kill people so much, it was more harsh telling offs, and attempts to change their thinking and some short jail sentences. relatively humane to slow down the building of babel. allot good in the protestant groups that did this also. amish, hutterites. they refuse to use the technology, they will do well from this in the end (they may be the remnant - along with the good quiet christians in all churches)as for me i talk too much. and prone to ego
>>5431756442/2Now thatni fully understand your position, i now recall and remember some of the ins and outs of this doctrine, and to somewhat of an extent of how it gets more or less diluted by amateur hour theologiansI do believe however that the parablr of lazerus and the rich man isnt just metaphor. I maintain the belief that these were all real individuals and real dogs licking his sores; that the richman remains in sheol/hades until the great white throne Judgement and then they get the second death of the lake of fireBoth lake and sheol being different places of sortsI know you stated that this is pagan appropriation and stuff to level the understanding to their worldviews, butni dont see that as acceptable substitute for what i believe the bible maintainsId look to another example which is the cosmology of the universe, 99.999% of all pagan cultures have a cosmology resembling that of a hebrew or flat earth summary of thingsIn another account, they also share themes of flood mythosI beleieve rather these two instances and what you alluded to in afterlife thesis; is but several instances of us either knowing the Truth and corrupting it over time, but God only allowing for an upper limit to those dilution attemptsThe rationale behind that is again the instwnce where gentiles are Judged by their exclusion to the law but things similar to the lawCant say thats the best explaination and youll have to forgive me as my recollection of some of the ressurection topics is rusty for reciting some thingsAnd as such i still maintain God's Grace and Covering of sin covers a multitude of sins; not that either of us being right or wrong and accusations this or that has anything binding to our actual salvationI maintain the kingdom is a great opportunity to be Taught and Reconciled Directly by Jesus Christ within the templeI already know i get many things wrong and am flawed: i try and maintain focus with whats before us: tribulation
i dont think so across the board, but it would be interesting to have unique nations, even tradcath theocracies instead of globohomo situation we have now where everywhere is exactly the same. then people could live in whatever kind of society they want
>>543175727Jesus said do this in memory of me. but he also said it was his blood and his flesh. so we to think it is his blood and flesh.
>>543175644>where you said we all die- these individuals rather will be preserved throughout the tribulation and never taste deathoh, I agree with you.Paul writes about those who will be caught up into the clouds. I dont think its only the 144,000 but the saints in the end days in general. not every saint dies before the judgement day, some will transition over without facing death.>to know the exact Will of God on a case per case basis of every gentile or unbeliever that ever lived and died and, as some poorly believe in, say they all die and go to hell is a stupid assumptionI agree with you 100% on that.I believe God has his elect saints that are called for his purposes but also those outside of the elect that will not face hell.Jesus talks about that in Matthew 25:31 onward and in Revelation 20:11 onward.God knows the contents of the hearts of each person, and we do not.>I maintain the belief that these were all real individuals and real dogs licking his sorescould be.I see it more as a parable of Jesus rebuking the Pharisees. they were the rich, they had all the scripture, but kept the people by their legalism under a yoke where they kept them from entering into the kingdom.they had it all and thought they will be great in the kingdom of God.Lazarus had very little scripture to feed on, but what he had he valued ever the more.this is why in the parable Jesus paraphrases Abraham by saying ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’. its the Law and the Prophets, and so too on the mount of transfiguration you had Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah, the Law and the Prophets, in a vision.Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets and I dont talk he speaks about an afterlife in shoel at all, but their spiritual state in relation with scriptures.1/2
>>543176051>I already know i get many things wrong and am flawed: i try and maintain focus with whats before us: tribulationwe are all living though our own tribulations individually anyway. nobody is spared and just raptured. thats not what the bible teaches.>12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.listen, I was a bit hot headed yesterday, I always get worked up when dealing with trolls on such topic.I hope you didnt take offense personally or me calling you a false believer over the things with Enoch and Elijah. I just worked myself up to much.I like your posts because you remind of the Sabbath rest and call out babylon and the talmud.gotta go soon tho, God bless you.
>>543176051And for the record, id rather not deal with conjecture and stick to absolutes; only in the realm concerning life after death: would it that paul said it himself; he saw the Holy Things which were not lawful to speak of and return with us for insights about the placeWhat is and isnt revealed is for our benefit and good: that which is is our inheritwnce foreverI do not wish to seek to dilute the Truth or appear lukewarm in these attempts at brokering a discussion on this stuff either, i figured as much as our og discourse was about elijah and enoch i just wanted to make mention about the exception that would be our end of the age destiny for those that escape survive and endure- as having a similar likeness and that was my focus moreso than disputes on soul sleepI honestly cant take a stance on the destiny component of anyone else in speculation because i can only speak to my own affairs and my own relationship with God and the visions that ive seenAnd to that end i will go on a limb and say ive had a horrible vision almost 14-15 years ago now where i almost od'd and died and within it i saw the pit of torment, full of worms the size of your arm all mawing you with endless rows of teeth and eternal agony of both fire and pain as if your being stabbed in the guts, eaten alove, burning, and the worst line for welfare cheques thst is never ending for a perspective of eternity and all that torment includedIts horribleIt was enough to spook me straight and begin walking before the Almighty, though it took me years to understand what i saw, i basically experience isaiah 66 verbatim and understood years later when i finally read itAnd God Pulled me out of that pit and gave me a second chance again after the vision concluded, thats my anecdotal 2 cents
>>543176235>so we to think it is his blood and flesh.I mean, if it doesnt taste like blood or flesh then its not really literal.rather we are to feast on him in the Word since Jesus is the Word that became flesh. its the Words he speaks that give us life rather than the ritual of the eucharist.
>>543176367You would agree that the actual Church is in all Churches ? prob even outside of denominational churches as there are pagans who God will see fit to allow in
>>543176569I delved myself somewhat into NDEs and my personal opinion is that its demonic manipulation while your physical body is in great distress. they are very good at giving false visions and tormenting thoughts. I call it "fear porn" for them, they get off of the thought of us experiencing never ending torment.but God uses the bad for the good and if he allowed that to bring you back to him then it is for the better.I myself had to be waken up the harsh way and have my own experiences. but from what I can read from scripture, God himself is a consuming fire and it is more that the wicked will face his personal wrath and be burned up rather than some place where demons torture people. Hell is the place appointed for satan and his demons, not humans.my personal guess is that human will face a whole different form of wrath than the dark spirits of power.I could be wrong tho, so dont take my word for the truth in that regard.
>>543176694yes 100%, there are those of true faith part of the true Church of Jesus Christ in all denominations and walks of life.
>>543176367Yes its the 144,000 and a great multitude that john could not numberGod is the One Separating and Gathering His flocks abroad using the 144,000>rebuking the phariseesHe was also rebuking the sadducees who maintained something similar of a soul sleep notion and combined it with like a soul termination doctrineI know they reject some if not al notions of an afterlife and held to a position which rejected angels and other spiritual affairsThey were like reform jew agnosticsMoses and the prophets given as a rebuke was because you can still have a budding Messiah of Redemption and Atonement through the Law and the prophets; and you get the blossoming Rose of Sharon in gospels>>543176567Icharacter limit, meant to say great tribulation and preparing those i minister to on here with regards to thatI try and focus on tangible things that are black and white:Blood of Jesus Christ Is most important to the servicing of gospel preachingthe mark of the beast threatens everyone because you cant worship God and mammon both, the euphrates is drying, and we are 100% getting an altar but not neccesarily a temple nd that altar is chosen for the Rebuke of all nations, pslam 24 being recited over each evening and morning sacrifice and pslams 1 & 2 being the motivation for why (((they))) would get nations to conspire with one accord and reject Almighty God and His footstool>gotta go soonAll water under the bridge, i only called you a satan the other day because accusing is just that: accusing, and even Jesus told peter whom He Loved to "get behind thee satan" not that peter was actually satanic just being used to dovide and conquer the elect and subvert the Will of GodAgain, youre not trying to do that in these intentions but satan through each of us can set that in motionI know enough about you to call you my brother, and a brother was born for adversity: take care, as iron sharpeneth iron so too friend and frens
>>543174591I will concede on Christ's sacrifice being a Jewish concept, though that's sort of the point. He's the sacrifice to end all sacrifices. You don't have to kill chickens to absolve sins because Christ took your sins onto the cross. The Old Testament is really there as backstory, to show what life used to be like pre-Christ. The New Testament is literally about how you don't follow the Torah, so calling it Jewish is not really a fair claim. Jews vehemently deny Christ, whereas Muslims love Him (with the caveat that they don't see Him as God, just a messenger).
>>543177830There are multiple other sacrifices that have nothing to do with sin; Jesus Christ removed the penalty that was transfression of the law and willdul defiant sin against Him, the Father, each other, and the creationWe keep the feast of tsbernacles in the kingdom as a memorial for how we escaped the great tribulation; in similar manner to why it was made a Feast out of egypt as well: dwelling in a wilderness and Sustained and Protected by the Hand of GodWhen the abomination of desolation happens: thats the nations rejecting that particular Ordinance; its important because the reason for a daily evening and morning sacrifice is pretty much to declare God's Sovereignty over all the earth and its inhabitantsTheres also offerings of thanksgiving, whole burnt offerings, multiple offerings for cleansing ceremonies and because God Redeemed the firstborn ever since egypt, firstfruits is likewise parallel to both agricultural offerings as much as its literally our spiritual destiny as christiansAlot of people think all things burning on the altar are for sin, that is not the case: and Jesus Christ is Restoring the sons of aaron for the kingdom and they will be serving Him then as will we allPlus alot of these altar sacrifices turn into a BBQ feast we eatYum, cant wait to have a burning altar again in jerusalem>paul also kept a nazarite vow>all the disciples kept the feasts and so on until temple was destroyedSomething like kipparot however is entirely unbiblical and unfounded; try as they might to appease God with happenstance: God never Commanded substitutionary sacrifices, niather was Jesus a substitute or impromptu abolition of former things: He is taking our place for what we deserve as sinners that no amount of sin offerings and blood of goats rams and cattle can obtain beyind the moment those things were offeredYom kippurim was basically the only thing that came remotely close with a scapegoat concept
>>543177830Also if tou believe that following Jesus means you dont follow torah anymore, i would remind all that He Is the One Who Gave us insight and made so a Higher Standard of the law was presently so>bless your enemies>lust in eye is adultery in heart>if you love Me(Jesus Christ) keep the CommandmentsHe improved the passover seder by informing us He will not drink of that cup until He Is Present and with us during the millenial kingdom of ChristWe celebrate the marriage supper of the Lamb too day 1, wonder what thats like and for how long; usually antiwuity feasts lasted a week or longerWhat does come to mind though is some other things Jesus Said, with regards to what the time frame might look like for this or that feastTribulation is 42 months>pray not your flight be in winterGoes on to imply that the abomination of desolation occurs around the end of winter(?) More likely and a future passover date we come out of egypt and babylon on a worldwide scaleDuring this period: God is basically Judging His house first; anyone who speak against the altar and enjoys it being shut down? I dont want to be ANYWHERE NEAR (((YOU))) on that dayNope, ill go wherever the 144,000 show up and others with sensibility and the Holy Spirit of Almighty God will do the sameOr remain complacent and martyres 10 days captivity and crown of life.exe insteadOr>dont do thisHe lives by the sword and dies by the sword; perhaps to buy us time, those that lag behind, i know not, be of good courage and trust in YHVH, Yeshuah Ha Mashiach, He Is Regathering the exiles and Uniting Israel in our lifetime, all will come to pass and we shall see it and belief in Him Who sent Sore Judgements upon all the earth; just like in egypt day and sinai: DONT MAKE A STUPID CALF, and learn the lessons of Torah and dont be like them, be Holy for the IAM Is Holy Also, amenAll things in Christ Jesus, good luck my tribulation and rapture bros across all countries
>>543174591You're citing a rabbi as a rebuke? Read the bottom of your pic>Hitler privately hated Christianity for its Jew worshipThis is rebuked in the Mein Kampf excerpt please read more carefully.
>>543179656Oh i guess i forgot the latter half od that and just skipped to the blessing, woops>42 monthsIf it starts at a future passover dates, the elapsed time would put us around an auntumn harvest dateIt wouls be quite possible that we have the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and then that "rapture" pretext so to speak, would make sukkot / feast of tabernacles a likely scenarioThis just takes into assumption: God's calandar of things, the zaddok calandar from original bible tradition through time and God's Appointed Times, HaMoedim(?) - all this Designates Time as a Holy thing according to God's Order of thingsWe corrupted this with vain traditions of men and culturally appropriating things for sake of convention: of the faithful jews to these Feasts of YHVH, mjority use a babylonian calandar with even months being named wrong and passover deviatedThis and the biblical calandar are lunar ones and not the solar kind which is commonplace among conventional norms; and not coincidentally the occult/esoteric and other nefarious thingsSo anywaysIf the assumed parallel is these other Feasts, perhaps the Day of YHVH around the timeline of Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur at a future 42 month date intervalYour margin of accuracy: if Time is given to us in the order of; "how many sabbaths i experienced as refugees among the 144,000" So thats>we flee around a future passover, pray your flight be not in winter(?)>42 months markers, with added context in bible Schedule of other key notable Judgements and Events>euphrates one such example: 1/3 for every year, month, week, day, hour- a great death happensEvery sabbath will be 2x the hidden manna for our Time Times and half a Time>queue the 5 months of darkness during the last quarters of the final yearAll those marked by the beast are tormeted those 5 months>nobody can remember the day or the hour for 5 months straightId imagine though there would be peace and righteousness and song among the campsY'all pick
>>543171473Wrong shit tier retard indulgences are temporal punishment not eternal luttr lr you are inbred
>>543164758>Things were better in the pastIncluding the Catholic Church.Why would you trust today's Church?
>>543171520Yes thats them vs emperor Nero level and then titus
>>543176694God can call anyone out of spiritual darknessHe can also Give one over to a reprobate mind that refuses Instruction and Chastisemebt from the Holy SpiritNo man's sins can stray him too far enough for the Living God to not have Mercy, rather, you blot your name out of the book of the life of the Lamb of Almighty God by your own handWhy would anyone reject john 3:16???The answer is always they do so willingly and more often than not id argue full well knowing what it is exactly theyre doingWe are just like the children of israel: slaves coming out of egyptTheres going to be alot of lessons for relearning when God Finally Does This Thing and Seals the 144,000Do you want to trust in institutions like catholic this or that, orthodoxy of xyz country, protesting eveything under the sun, cults to likewise pervert, and wolves in sheep clothes likely to decieve>we all know the flaws>we also know the 144,000 are SealedId sooner put my faith in God's Annointing than to learn to mine own or a religioun's particular understanding>where two or more are Gathered in My Name, there IAM among themYou must worship in Spirit and in TruthNot only did God Give us Torah, He Gave us the Book of the Acts of the Apostles of Jesus Christ: the Guide and goto for how to teach anyone and everyone; to the jew first and also to the greek, how to be Disciples of Jesus Christ as much as the Gospels, and the New Spirit and heart he put in you and your soul at the time of being born againWe are in those days my guy, just hold out, He Separates the sheep from the goats here soon enough
>>543171454Church of specialist your novus ordo sext is an new thing you are the faggot
>>543171713Yes no lutheranism same sacraments emperor Nero was right
>>543180246>pay $10000 or granny spends another 5000 years in purgatory
>>543172014Vulgate not kjv bibble Satan you are a faggot ad a satanic twisting tongue retarded one
>>543164758>>Vatican 2 was a coupso he is not a catholic
>>543176235>>543176235No He Said to do those things contained in the context of a passover seder; wirh unleavened bread that youd be eating the next several days at all mealsevery day of the week for basically a week of the year plus the passover itselfAt the Time Appointed by God, with Firstfruits Feast in the middle of both Passover and Unleavened BreadSometimes firstborns fast prior to passoverGod Opens the wombThe eucharist is antithesis to passover, and the abomination of you striking the Rock not once or twice as did moses; but literally every single mass on every sunday mass and moreThis did not Jesus nor His Disciples; and you KNOW it was a passover because the jews and their passover followed the babylonian calandar which deviated from datesJesus Christ was crucified and Ressurected on the zaddok calandar's Passover and FirstfruitsA eucharist is not an actual "feast"It's a poor immitation copy taken wildly out of context, and the saddest of all is the modern christians that dont have an actual feast either, just doing their "Communion" and maybe potlock snac, and thoubeit God's the One to Know the heart, least of which is these sheep that continue this way these misled places were all led astray to a dimunitive form of a Holy Feast we can enjoy with God and remember Him in worshipThose that get it at least right and understand it in their hearts what it is to have that passover with God and the context of Messiah's Blood and Flesh being broken and bruised and upon the cross- i dont judge anyone's heartSimply, the eucharist isnt what it is; corrupted christianityMystery babylon culturally appropriated to christianity: where else in mystery babylon do you find such counterfeit offerings to false gods?Alot>there shall be many false christsJesus even says this, take a look into every idol and image within these churches, even non-cath onesUsually have a false palm pierced Jesus, its more likely His wrist as not a bone of His was broken
>>543171123i think i follow your youtube channel based on the way you talk and your flag lol
>>543164758No. The Renaissance was fine and the "enlightenment" was more of a consequence of the Protestant reformation which in turn was a consequence of Church's stupidity. And even if you're an idiot and disagree on that point, as it stands the modern Catholic church is eternally cucked, Vatican 2 is permanent and the old Church is never coming back.
>>543169676My TLM is 30% zoomer men and 30% millennials with 3-5 kids
