Do you know why Jesus taught the things he taught, or do you think they are merely good moral teachings? I tell you that these are much more than just good moral teachings. Have you ever asked what it means to have faith in God? If you know, read the teachings of Jesus and realize that these teachings follow naturally if someone truly has faith in God.Why do you think he said, "Turn the other cheek," or, "Do not resist an evil person"? Do you not realize that these are proof that your faith is real? What need does someone have to protect their life or possessions or ego if they trust in God? The only reason this sounds crazy to you is because you do not believe. You want to say you do, as long as it doesn't affect the way you live. In this is proven that God is just a tool for you, and anyone who treats God just as a tool is thrown into the fire and burned. Therefore, acknowledge your guilt and turn. Know that you are already forgiven, and let his grace transform you.Do not think that your works will save you. Neither will your church or denomination save you. Not one ritual will ever save you, but the transformed heart will save you. The one who loves does not condemn, the one who is merciful forgives, the one who is just does not show partiality, and the one who truly believes will live accordingly.Many of you people think you are serving God, but he does not know you. How could he? The only time he has heard your voice is when you condemn others in his name, or you repeat the same prayer at the church for the thousandth time, or you say, "We need to bring back Christianity." Do you know that this is an abomination in his eyes? He never told you to litigate behavior through governments and laws, not once. Let the wicked litigate the wicked. You are responsible to God. Turn and be saved.
>>543653144>christcuck schizo babble again
>>543653144>Let the wicked litigate the wicked.Very prescient statement.
>>543653144>Have you ever asked what it means to have faith in God?Somehow I find Vishnu pretty cool.
>>543653288Vishnu is based.
>>543653288>>543653453spotted the indians
Happy Friday anons!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY3oL9_cOtg
I'm hermetic. Christ reveals in plain language many of the hidden truths about this world. Christ is God, but this somewhat like a vacuous truth, because God is omnipresent. We are all God, but we are ignorant, and that's ignorance is our greatest vice.Remember that when you mistreat others, you are as God mistreating himself. Stop hitting yourself, and stop casting judgement for the actions taken in your own ignorance. Spread knowledge instead and do so freely. And yes, Christ was speaking literally when he said that with the faith of a mustard seed, you could move mountains. But do any of us have the faith Christ had?
>>543653591>he doesn't respect the Āryāthat's a shame, you should get over it
>>543653684this nigger worships a horse lmao
>>543653678>We are all Godnot what Jesus taught.
he would have called you a dog to your face for not being jewish
>>543653144You are correct but Christian morals should return, look at what Atheist degeneracy has brought upon Western civilization.
>>543653906That isn't true, and also Jesus wasn't even an Ashkenazi Jew. Ashkenazi and many Sephardic Jews practice kabbalism.
>>543653144This is not anything profound and in fact the Tao te Ching has almost the same message and predates Christ. > How do I know it is so?As for the world,The more restrictions and prohibitions there are,The poorer the people will be.The more sharp weapons people have in a country,The bigger the disorder will be.The more clever and cunning people are,The stranger the events will be.The more laws and commands there are,The more thieves and robbers there will be.Therefore the sage says:I do not act,And people become reformed by themselves.I am at peace,And people become fair by themselves.I do not interfere,And people become rich by themselves.I have no desire to desire,And people become like the uncarved wood by themselves.
>>543653847Read between the lines, Anon. Why is it that what you don't do for the least of your neighbors, you don't do for him? Why is it important to love your neighbors AS YOURSELF, and placed at a similar level of importance as loving God? Why are *you* capable of moving mountains through your faith?The corpus hermeticum explains the details a bit more clearly. What is the nature of God, what is our relationship to it, why does evil exist, and what is our "afterlife".
>>543654047When the government is quite unobtrusive,People are indeed pure.When the government is quite prying,People are indeed conniving.Misery is what happiness rests upon.Happiness is what misery lurks beneath.Who knows where it ends?Is there nothing correct?Correct becomes defect.Good becomes ominous.People's delusions have certainly lasted long.Therefore the sage is sharp but does not cut,Pointed but does not pierce,Forthright but does not offend,Bright but does not dazzle.
>>543654047>>543654324This is just cause and effect. If it makes no mystical claims it's not comparable to Christ.
>>543654263man was created in the image of God, man is not God.these commandments were given so you honor the other imagers of God as you yourself are an image of God.>Why are *you* capable of moving mountains through your faith?doesnt talk about moving mountains. mountains or high places were associated with lower g gods.
>>543653819yeah.
>>543654324Act without action.Pursue without interfering.Taste the tasteless.Make the small big and the few many.Return animosity with virtue.Meet the difficult while it is easy.Meet the big while it is small.The most difficult in the worldMust be easy in its beginning.The biggest in the worldIs small in its beginning.So, the sage never strives for greatness,And can therefore accomplish greatness.Lightly given promisesMust meet with little trust.Taking things lightlyMust lead to big difficulties.So, the sage regards things as difficult,And thereby avoids difficulty.
>>543654420Yes but this is grounded knowledge for earthly harmony not some pie in the sky wish tossed in the wind. One has to live on Earth, heaven is not promised.
>>543654517Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief. For truly I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. And nothing will be impossible for you. But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”
>Subhuti: How, O Lord, does the Bodhisattva, the great being, fulfill the six perfections and come near to the knowledge of all modes?>The Lord: Here, Subhuti, the Bodhisattva, the great being, who courses in the perfection of giving should, having seen beings who are hungry, thirsty, ill housed, ill clad, and devoid of beds and seats, consider as follows: 'Just so will I course in the perfection of giving that, when I have won full enlightenment, all these faults of those beings will in each and every way not take place and not be conceived. Just like the possessions enjoyed by the various classes of gods, from the Gods belonging to the Four Great Kings, to the Highest Gods, so will be the possessions enjoyed by the beings in that Buddha-field'. When he courses thus, the Bodhisattva, the great being, fulfills the perfection of giving and comes near to full enlightenment.
>>543654814>Jesus comes down from !Mountain!>expels demon from young boy>But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”connect the dots.next thing you should ask is what mountain was Jesus on.
>>543654925>Moreover, Subhuti, the Bodhisattva, the great being, who courses in the perfection of morality, having seen beings who take life, take what is not given, commit sexual misconduct, speak falsely, speak harshly, speak maliciously, prattle away, are covetous, with minds full of ill will, with false views, short-lived, with many afflictions, with many troubles, ugly to look at, insignificant, with few possessions, of low-class families, badly dressed, and mutilated—he should thus consider: 'In such a way will I course in the perfection of morality that, when I have won full enlightenment, in that Buddha-field those beings will not have those faults and that they will not even be conceived'. Thus coursing, the Bodhisattva, the great being, fulfills the perfection of morality and comes near to full enlightenment.>Moreover, Subhuti, the Bodhisattva, the great being, who courses in the perfection of patience, having seen beings who are full of ill will for each other, and having seen beings who belabour each other with clods, beatings, and swords, rob each other of their lives, and use staffs, clubs, and so on, on each other, he should consider thus: 'In such a way will I course in the perfection of patience that, when I have won full enlightenment, in that Buddha-field those beings shall not have these faults, that they shall become inconceivable. And the minds of all beings will become like that of a mother, father, brother, sister, son, or daughter'. When he courses thus, the Bodhisattva, the great being, fulfills the perfection of patience and comes near to full enlightenment.–The Perfection of Wisdom
>>543654814I don’t know anyone that can move a mountain by faith alone. Is no one on Earth faithful enough?
>>543654987I can!
>>543655036Ah the ol Book of Changes eh.
>>543655127That hexagram is very useful to understand. And the pages (93,94) add up to 187. I love it.
93 as in Neptunium, 94 as in Plutonium... 187 as in 11 by 17...
>>543654946He comes down from a mountain after being transfigured. He then goes into a crowd and heals a young boy. His disciples ask, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT?Is it because they're not God? No. Jesus points at the mountain he just came off of and says, "if you had even the amount of faith a mustard seed has, you could command that mountain to move."You know what doesn't go out except by prayer and fasting? YOUR LACK OF FAITH!
>>543653287"They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me."
>>543653288>>543653453you either worship demons or your own Divinitythere are no other optionsyou choose the former
>>543655571wtf are you even rambling about?this conversation is pointless if you dont know what mountain the mountain of transfiguration is, why it is special and what Jesus just did. so please educate yourself on that first. if you have questions just ask.
>>543655717You are neglecting the fact that he told his followers that they could MOVE that mountain. Something fully impossible by physical means, but by faith alone THEY could move it.
>>543655786>he told his followers that they could MOVE that mountainthats not what he is talking about. Faith is not about moving physical mountains.
>>543655709Do not reduce the Gods to the level of demons.
>>543655860Oh oh here comes the mental gymnastics. Go on, this ought to be interesting.
>>543655860Physical mountains can be moved!
>>543655977I just told you you dont understand unless you know which mountain Jesus was on and why that is significant.as long as this is the case you talk about apples while I talk about bananas.
>>543656033prove it.
>>543656092I shall!
>>543653144We don't really know what Jesus taught, strangely virtually none of it made it into the (((Bible))).
>>543656110spastic
I believe in God, but it’s literally impossible to know what Jesus was all about, and what if anything in the bible is even accurate. You have people studying this stuff their entire lives and end up having diametrically opposite ideas about it all.The stories have no real archeological evidence to back up their authenticity. I’m not going to be insulting about it all, because I’m genuinely a God fearing person, but I am not equipped to judge what or who God is. I go under the assumption that God is much, much bigger and grander than my tiny pea brain can even comprehend.
>>543656060Let me guess the partaking of the fruit in the garden of eden was also just a metaphor for “coming of age” from childhood to adulthood?
Op actually gets it.
>>543656221what nonsense are you talking about,.can we stick to the subject? what mountain was Jesus on?
>>543656150Disbeliever.
>>543656299youre a tripfag fraud.
>>543656381That's slander. I am not a fraud.
>>543653144Fight the good fight OP. God bless
>>543656411still waiting for you to move mountains...
>>543655860It isn't that faith is about moving mountains, but that's tasks as seemingly impossible as telling a mountain to move from one location to another are possible with faith.
>>543656465I have done so and will continue to do so.
>>543653144I've been a follower of God and Christ my entire life but I've struggled so much it's hard to maintain faith somedays, I know my struggles are for a reason to walk the same path as him but it becomes so tiring brothers, I know money isn't the source to happiness but I know it would make the difference between a constant struggle and being able to help others in also walking the path, but I also know if god wants me walk the harder path then his will I cannot change but I also know god helps those who ask and that doesn't just mean ask god but those who can help you, I love you brothers and I hope god walks with us all every day.3Cv3E5SqDUPsTbzJb8ay8vF11ePXT3pVZx0x9c6DCb5af3763dcE6D11Fe13bFf33e56492C73D9My btc and eth if anyone can help please please someoneGod Bless you all
>>543656522sure thing kiddo.>>543656467sure, thats basic faith, to overcome.but Jesus used that parable in a very specific context related to what he was doing.
>>543656275Well I felt that since we’re taking the liberty of interpreting the bible however we so choose, I assumed this was ok to mention or are we going back to literal interpretations now and maybe figurative later?
>>543653144i think if I were to put a gun to your head god would not want you to smile and be okay with whatever outcome. i believe god would want you to take action in accordance with whatever you believe to be the right thing to do in the moment. god leads us with intuition, pretty sure your intuition, if you are a man, would be to kill the motherfucker with the gun however you can, especially if you have a family. i don't know dude, god said some shit about good and evil and good men doing nothing you know isnt good fo the good.
>>543656674the bible in the correct context leaves little room for personal interpretation.
>>543656260>>543656454If anyone is willing to listen, there is much more for me to speak to you, but I have to be careful with my words. The wicked prowl and wait for you to make a single slip so that they can devour you, but they will have it: a person who is guided by truth cannot speak what is false.You have heard them argue about the Trinity, but consider my words: a man was locked inside a house for his whole life. He can look at the walls and decorations; he can look out the windows, but he can never see the house from the outside. The house cannot be seen from the man's point of view; it is impossible. Therefore, he asked one of his friends to take a picture of the house and come in and show it to him. Then this friend went and took a picture of the house and came in and showed it to him. Before, he had known in part what the house was like, but now he knows in full. The one inside the house is you, the house is God, and the friend who came to show you what the house is like is the Son of Man.Or consider this: it is like the sun and the moon. If you look at the sun, you will become blind, but if you look at the moon, you're able to receive the sun's light. The sun is God and the moon is the Son of Man, and by looking at the Son you are seeing the Father's light.Or consider even this: when a man stands before the mirror, the image in the mirror is him, but he is not the image in the mirror. The one who stands before the mirror is God Himself, and the image in the mirror is His Son, but He is not His Son, and His Son is not Him, yet the Son makes the Father known to you. Therefore: if you want to know what the Father is like, look at the Son. The Son came into the world to make the invisible Father known to you.
>>543656758So you’re a member of the one Holy and Apostolic Church founded by Christ with the first Pope being St. Peter? You are telling me you’re a Roman Catholic? If that’s so, then I will concede that your interpretations are valid and sound but if you’re a Prot, lol.
>>543653144Circular reasoning
>>543653144Why didn't Jesus teach us how to heal with our hands like he could?
>>543656981the "holy apostolic catholic church" under the pope has misused the Word of God like no other institution on the world.its is the seat of satans antichrist on the world.
>>543657054It’s because you are a faithless heathen dog, that’s why. You could heal if only you had more faith.
>>543653144Protestants are worse than jews. You live with this book and don't even begin to understand it.
>>543657086Nay I say unto thee, Christ has built his ministry on that rock, it is infallible my child. You have less faith than a mustard seed.
>>543657258and this is how easily satan gets you, believing his lies like in the garden of Eden.
>>543657315No sir, even your King James Bible says in Matthew that : “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it” (verses 17–18)So little faith do you have
>>543657458>and the gates of Hades will not overcome it>gatesyoure so close, but yet so far.
>>543656626The mountain of transfiguration had Christ's face shine as bright as the sun and the word of God confirm to good disciples that he was his son. Since no name is given to the mountain itself, it's not easy to connect to any other mountain mentioned in the Bible. There are no attributes of the mountain indicating it should be more moveable than any other mountain.I know it's incredulous to think that Christ wanted us to think we could literally move mountains, the point here is that your belief allows you to create transformations upon the world. Outside of Christianity, this principle is sometimes known as the law of assumption. But the issue with all things based on belief is that we are creatures of habit and almost always have greater belief that things won't change.
>>543657563Do you think Peter, heir to the ministry of Christ and father of the Holy Roman Catholic Church was lied too? Have you abandoned the fruit of Christ because there is a fly on it?
I thought I would learn more from this thread about Christianity than usual considering the lack of athioid sperging, but alas. This is just shittest pissing contests and vagueposting. Fuck you I'm going to church, you guys are stupid and gay.
>>543653591Would indians be different if they all converted to christcuckery this moment?
>>543657829You’re on 4chan bro, you honestly expected more?
>>543657829>Fuck you I'm going to churchAsk your priest if jesus was jewish
>>543657714you would understand what Jesus is talking about the moment you look up which mountain he is on and what this mountain is known for.but either you are to lazy to use one google search or you love the lie and not the truth.>>543657711it tells us which mountain they were on the chapter before.its all related to this specific mountain.
>>543658276I’m no lier, I’m a veritatis amator. They were on the Mount of Olives, which is an actual mountain and if you’re not a part of St. Peter’s Church I’m afraid you’re like the fig tree on that mountain also.
>>543653144>Not one ritual will ever save you, but the transformed heart will save you.aka Metanoia, mistranslated as 'repentance'Metanoia is Jesus' very first public teaching
>>543657458>>543657711>>543657714fuck it, I will take the gamble of casting pearls before swine.>13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”Google: Caesarea PhilippiCaesarea Philippi is an ancient site in northern Israel at the base of Mount Hermon, famous for its large natural spring feeding the Jordan River and its deep biblical and pagan history. Today, the location is known as Banias and is preserved as an Israel Nature and Parks Authority reserve.Pagan Worship: Originally named Panias after the Greek god Pan, the site featured a sacred grotto and cave that ancient people viewed as the "gates of hell" or underworld.>"gates of hell">"gates of hell">"gates of hell"tl;dr: Jesus just declared war on the kingdom of Satan.he was revealed as the Messiah, the Christ, to Peter by the Father.the Rock is the mountain of the pagan worship site that is called "gates of hell/hades".Mount Hermon is also most likely the mountain where the rebellious angels came down to mate with human women and where the entrance to the underworld is.Jesus is not talking about the roman catholic church or Peter being the first pope, Jesus conquered satans kingdom and hold over this world.after this he talks about him having to die.then the transfiguration takes place.then he foretells his resurrection.the next things that take place is his triumphal entry into Jerusalem and then his crucifixion and being raised from the dead on the 3rd day.this is what its all about.>>543658546>They were on the Mount of Oliveslolno, who told you this bullshit?>veritatis amatorthen why are you loving the lies?
>>543653144Why does God want us to get hurt? Do unto others...
>>543658976Wait a while and I will answer you.
>>543653144>Jesusnever existed, kike
>>543658976God did not create evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is parasitic. Look: genuine love is impossible without the possibility of rejecting it. God could have created man so that he can only do according to his nature, but are we then free? No. True free will requires you to be able to choose against God. This necessarily gives birth to evil, not because God wants it, but because it is an inevitable consequence of free will.A true free will causes evil because people choose to do that what is against that which is good. Then you say, "Why doesn't God prevent the evil?" If He did, is this system still free? It is not. However, the world exists in such a way where, even when someone does evil, it still brings forth good. When someone wrongs you, it is a chance for you to grow, or when you see another person being wronged, it brings forth compassion within you.The world is a perfect ecosystem of growth for souls. This is our time of becoming, but the time to come is for being. Death is what separates becoming from being. Do not ever think that it is God who causes the evil; it is the human who chooses to do what is against God's nature.
>>543657860no
>>543653144God you people are actually faggots.t.jesus
>>543659565>Look: genuine love is impossible without the possibility of rejecting it.If you love someone, do you protect them from suffering, or do you make them suffer? If love causes suffering, hen love isn't good. Something that results in suffering can not be called good. Simple as.> True free will requires you to be able to choose against God. This necessarily gives birth to evil, not because God wants it, but because it is an inevitable consequence of free will.Then free will isn't something that is good. Something that is good does not result in, or demand, evil. If it would it would cease to be good.>true free willI mean, i'ts easy to argue when you dismiss everything that isn't exactly your way as 'not true' X. >A true free will causes evil because people choose to do that what is against that which is good.Why do they choose evil? What is wrong with them that they choose evil? Why don't they choose good instead? Every time? Why such unbelievable resistance to doing things correctly? Why do you want to ruin things at all costs?Why were Adam and Eve created in such a way that they failed to make the right choice? Why weren't they instead created in such a way that they wouldn't have failed to make the right choice? One is ok but the other one isn't, right? It's ok to make them so that they fail, but it's not ok to make them so that they succeed. Seems fair... All this just so that you can excuse and support the existence of evil.
>>543653144Shove your jetus up your ass
>>543659565>inevitableThen stop talking about choices. If it was inevitable, then it isn't our fault that it happened, and we shouldn't be punished for it. You don't create something that doesn't work properly, then go and blame it for not working properly, and punish it for it.
If God had a penis would it be cut or uncut?
>>543660307>>543660394What good is it to be a robot who does exactly as programmed?
>>543653144> I tell you that these are much more than just good moral teachings> but the transformed heart will save you. The one who loves does not condemn, the one who is merciful forgives, the one who is just does not show partiality, and the one who truly believes will live accordingly.>Why do you think he said, "Turn the other cheek," or, "Do not resist an evil person"?[...] What need does someone have to protect their life or possessions or ego if they trust in God? >Many of you people think you are serving God, but he does not know you. How could he?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox_TWVW6nVM
>>543653144My wife is a christian, we went to church every sunday. She had an affair with her friends husband got pregnant, he turned out to be a pedophile.Why should I have faith in god
>>543653144Psychic powers or gtfo with the preaching.
>>543661041I was never speaking of Christianity, the religion. It is not of God. People have turned the teachings of Jesus into a ritual because they do not know God. Though they condemn the Pharisees, they are like the Pharisees.Know this: if there is no God, meaning, value, and purpose are impossible. They are evaluations, and evaluations are only done by a mind. And if there is no mind beyond us, then there is objectively no meaning to any of this.If then nihilism becomes true, why would you not hope and have faith that God is there and that there will be justice?Much love.
>>543659565>God did not create evil.Look. Before you become a parent you can be absolutely certain that if you have a kid, that kid will suffer in life. If you then go and have a kid, that kid will of course then suffer in life. At that point i would ask you why did you want the kid to suffer? Because it is you who caused this suffering. It is your fault that the kid suffers. It is not the kid's fault that he suffers. You knew that he would suffer if you made him. If despite knowing that you then go and have a kid, then that automatically means you wanted him to suffer. You can't say you didn't.Same with evil. God knew that giving us free will would result in evil and suffering. The fact that he gave us free will by definition means he wanted evil to exist, and wanted us to suffer. God knew what the consequences of his actions would be. He can't act surprised by results.
>>543653144Mods can we keep this proselytizing BS out of here. I know religion can be political but this is just promoting religion. Barely political in this context
>>543659565>it is a chance for you to growYou people do this a lot, you switch words so that they don't sound so bad. 'Growth' doesn't sound as bad as 'pain and suffering'. 'Consequences' don't sound as bad as 'punishment'. And so on... It's all tricks to make people suffer more. They don't want you to have a good life, they want you to have a life full of suffering. They will tell you it's a good thing. If you feel bad that's good. You should feel more bad so that it becomes even better, right?If something doesn't make you feel bad, it isn't worth anything, right? It doesn't mean anything, right? The worse it makes you feel, the more it's worth, right?
>>543661389>>543661630It comes down to what is significant to you and what is the purpose of life. Maybe the purpose of life is to create more life. The purpose you see and the purpose God has can be very different, and you are unable to understand why life with free will is more important to Him than preventing all suffering.And also, if you truly believe that there is life after death, you see these things very differently than someone who does not believe in life after death. You might see the suffering as ultimate because you do not believe in life after death, whereas someone who believes in life after death sees it very differently.
>>543660670Are you unable of imagining a being wise enough to be able to freely make the right choice every time?>What good is it Well you wouldn't suffer, for a start. You would only experience good. So making the right choice every time makes you a robot? What exactly is wrong with that again? Don't you want to do things correctly? Wouldn't you want to see everything work properly, so that nobody gets hurt as a result of things not working properly, like it is now? And besides, aren't we being held to robot standards anyway? And if we fail them, we get punished? And until we become like robots we will continue being punished? And they say God doesn't want robots...
>>543653144>the reason is you don't believe No, the reason is that I won't be suffering fools or assholes. If my worst trait is that I put shitbirds in their place then I'm better than 99% of people.
>>543659565>The world is a perfect ecosystem of growth for souls.Perfect apart from the fact that we suffer for it. It would be perfect if we wouldn't have to suffer for it.>A true freeLets see:>God makes Adam and Eve smart enough to not fall for serpent's tricks and obey him freely. >He gives them a choice>They make a choice (the right one)It's the same as now, only they made the right choice instead of the wrong one. They still made a choice. They were free to choose. I fail to see the problem.
>>543655914Eregores are eregores regardless of if you use the term god or demon.These are spirits created through collective belief.Your gods are literally memes given life.
Where's the politics? Shouldn't this garbage be in /his/???
>>543659565>growDoes grass grow if you keep stepping on it? Or does it wither and die?
>>543653144nice blog dipshit. didn't read.
>>543662530The grass doesn't have a choice, you do.
>>543659565>growWho grows these anyway? What for?
>>543662650"He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels."
>>543658810There are no specific mentions to which mountain Jesus was referencing and all arguments are merely speculative and tentative. But are we saying he was actually talking about moving a physical mountain?
>>543653144> Many of you people think you are serving God, but he does not know you. How could he? The only time he has heard your voice is when you condemn others in his name, or you repeat the same prayer at the church for the thousandth timeIronically god has literally never spoken to anyone alive, you just go off the word of others. But faith is a trivial yet crucial part of Christianity because its all bullshit. Why can’t god or jesus just tell us? Well he just won’t ok do you even love him if you need actual proof?
>>543663551yes, the mountain is mentioned right there in Matthew 16:13. there is only one mountain at Caesarea Philippi.>But are we saying he was actually talking about moving a physical mountain?no, mountains are spiritual rulerships in the Word of God.
>>543663628If Jesus showed up right in front of you, would you believe because you read what He said and you loved Him, or because He is now in front of you? God is not seeking for people who can only turn when they have no other choice.
Imagine you're throwing a party. There's this guy that everybody is telling you is really cool and that you should invite him. But he says if he can bring a friend. So you say ok. The guy seems cool, but his friend steals all the drinks, gets completely drunk, rapes the host's sister, and causes a fight that ends the party. Would you still say that the guy is cool? No he's not.That's how you see good. Good is the cool guy, but unfortunately he has to brings his asshole evil cousin to every party.
>>543663880Except for his disciples of course and all the jews in the Old Testament who talked directly to god. And so are you saying jesus only wants naive people? Yea i would believe him if he could do that. But he won’t. His words, be weak, I don’t find convincing.
>>543663880As for no other choice, many christians end up becoming one after hitting rock bottom.
>>543663899Which party is better, the one with the evil cousin or the one without?
>>543663628>Ironically god has literally never spoken to anyone aliveGod spoke audibly to me once. I thought the world was about to end so loud, imitating and authoritative it was. his voice was that like a multitude, like many waters and like massive thunders.you wouldnt live if God would speak to you like this all the time.
>>543664174>>543664249The disciples followed Him before they had seen a single miracle. And even when Jesus heals people, He asks them first, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" Or the people came to Him to be healed, and, "According to your faith it shall be done."
>>543659565>inevitable>Before you had free will, you were only able to eat lobster in one restaurant.>But hey, rejoice! Now you are able to choose between a lobster and shit! Unfortunately you will inevitably have to choose to eat shit. We're sorry, that's just how it is. It's so that you can know that lobster tastes good.
>>543664174>>543664249>>543664497The people were in a position to encounter Him, and that is why they encountered Him. If a person is refusing to encounter God, they will not encounter God. "Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you."
>>543663843It does say the region but doesn’t mention the specific mountain?
>>543664820there is only one mountain there. when Matthew wrote this people would make the connection with the infamous pagan worship site at caesarea philippi because people knew what was going on there.
>>543664820its like saying Jesus went with his disciples to the Himalayas and when its says he went up a high mountain everybody knew it would have been mount everest. get it?
>>543665005I told you I was a lover of truth, and I am. So I dug a little deeper and concede that I was mistaken. Still and all what are we to make of the Catholic Church being the rock upon which Christ handed down his ministry? I know the church isn’t perfect nor free of scandal but how do we reconcile that without abandoning what Christ established?
>>543665406>Still and all what are we to make of the Catholic Church being the rock upon which Christ handed down his ministry?where does it say that? thats roman catholic brainwashing.Peter fulfilled his Christ given role in Acts after Jesus reestablished him after Peter denied him 3 times.Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of heaven and he opened the doors to the jews, the samaritans and the gentiles as recorded in Acts.thats its, thats all that Jesus commissioned Peter to do, to feed his sheep with truth.does the papacy do what Peter does? no, it closed the gospel to the nations, it persecuted the truth, it slaughtered the sheep in its many persecutions. thus the papacy does not hold the office of Peter, its hold the office of Simon Magus the magician who wanted to buy the power of the Holy Spirit whom Peter rebuked.thats the end of the story.
>>543653144>A man cannot be saved because of his nature of existence>Unless you seek to be disparaged without defending yourselfI get what you're saying but you're also being a fucktard and omitting every time the decree was sent down to quit being a pussy and kill your oppressors.You're not supposed to be a cuck pusswad and seek refuge of fetal position in the corner while being abused and you will get left "unsaved" for that just as much as you will for being a judgemental cunt.tl;dr I'm not going to be a rape slave to your Jew friends and just accept it because I deem myself incapable of self defense
>>543660808> I tell you that these are much more than just good moral teachings> but the transformed heart will save you.look, this is true :)>What need does someone have to protect their life or possessions or ego if they trust in God? but this not...lmao>but he does not know you. How could he?nor this....:/ xDDon't get mad, i don't want to argue, i just say what is written, nothing special, love and hate are shit if untamed, what matters is to be positive, and to approach things positively not with hate, if you hate your job, search for one you love; pick a partner who you love, not one who you just see sexy..., bad persons around messing your life? leave them... and so on..., or you want to fight against a river? you can try... and learn some lessons there too... My life and my possessions are gift from god... how can i insult him not protecting them?????? you inject there the ego, but ego is your own shit in your mind, not a gift from god, it's a gift from satan.That is why there is no "turning the other cheek"—that is an crap introduced by the Synagogue of Satan. What Jesus said is that you must not succumb to extreme feelings like rage; you must walk the path and take action with cold logic rather than feelings. You must master your emotions and be a wayfarer, not a deranged fanatic consumed by hate or driven mad by love for a woman, a man, money, power, and so on. By shifting from "be positively active" (an instruction for civic action and control) to "turn the other cheek," you are replacing a stance of active resistance with a metaphor of submission or passive sacrifice. You are subverting the original instruction.About god... well... i can tell you i got my temple and he is there, in his throne.... he is there..., but i fell myself too small to be known by god... i can't talk in his name, so sorry, i can say only that he is there...and that i'm glad, fearful and grateful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWIx2Ikemps
>>543665406>I know the church isn’t perfect nor free of scandal but how do we reconcile that without abandoning what Christ established?if the church is not without wrinkle and blemish its not the Church Jesus established.
>>543665645This is now venturing into the world of opinion, so I will not judge, in your opinion, which denom comes closest tothe message of Christ?
>>543653144The only reason why you or anyone of us even still exists is because of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is the one who deserves phrase and worship and not some dead faggot from 2000 years ago.Remember that the next time you go to Church.
>>543665849its clearly recorded in the gospel, so its about trusting that the Word of God is the Truth.>which denom comes closest tothe message of Christ?none, Christ didnt establish denomination or human institutions. the Ecclesia are the saints of Christ who are called out of the world.they are individuals that are guided by the Holy Spirit continually.
>>543653144>You want to say you doNo. Jew, I don't even say that. You pathetic fucking kike.
>>543665997You are wise and have humbled a fool. Pray for me that I may be guided towards the truth, even if that means letting go of what I thought was true.
>>543653144Christfag alert
>>543653144>Why do you think he said, "Turn the other cheek," or, "Do not resist an evil person"?These expression has a meaning back in the time of Jesus. People take them literally without understanding the real meaning
>>543666120I am glad I didnt cast pearls before swine.Lord, guide this anon towards sound and sober bible teachings.
>>543666120also I will give you a further advice.look into the historicist interpretation of Revelation so you dont become trapped in preterist or dispensationalist errors.
Here is a comparison scoring each country from 0 to 10, where higher means more open or liberal on that dimension. These are my own estimates based on my general knowledge of sources like ILGA-Europe's Rainbow Map, the WEF Global Gender Gap Index, MIPEX (migrant integration policy), and refugee and visa data. I didn't pull live figures, so treat them as approximate. Please read the caveats below.## Christian-majority in 1926| Country | Border openness | Migration policy | LGBT rights | Women's rights | Racial/ethnic equality ||---|---|---|---|---|---|| Spain | 6 | 6 | 9 | 8 | 6 || Germany | 6 | 6 | 8 | 8 | 6 || UK | 4 | 5 | 8 | 8 | 6 || France | 5 | 5 | 8 | 8 | 5 || USA | 4 | 5 | 7 | 7 | 5 || Mexico | 5 | 5 | 7 | 6 | 5 || Brazil | 7 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 5 || Italy | 4 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 5 || Poland | 4 | 4 | 4 | 6 | 4 || Russia | 3 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 3 || **Average** | **4.8** | **5.1** | **6.3** | **6.7** | **5.0** |## Non-Christian-majority in 1926| Country | Border openness | Migration policy | LGBT rights | Women's rights | Racial/ethnic equality ||---|---|---|---|---|---|| Israel | 3 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 4 || India | 3 | 3 | 5 | 4 | 3 || Japan | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 5 || Turkey | 4 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 3 || Indonesia | 3 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 4 || Egypt | 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 3 || China | 1 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 3 || Pakistan | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 3 || Saudi Arabia | 2 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 2 || Iran | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 || **Average** | **2.7** | **2.9** | **2.2** | **3.2** | **3.2** |**Takeaway:** On these metrics, the Christian and former-Christian group scores higher on every dimension, with the largest gaps in LGBT rights (about 4 points) and women's rights (about 3.5 points). The gap on borders and migration is smaller, and the group's range is wide. Several countries, like Russia and Poland, score low on LGBT rights, while Brazil and Germany are among the most open on migration.
>>543666188Never take anything literally so you don't ever have to change and you are never responsible for anything. Why are you people like this?
>>543666314What are your thoughts on the nag hammadi scrolls? Why would the church discard those as not being official “inspired” canon?
>>543666725because they are spiritual poison. they sound almost right but thats the trap of those texts. they are spiritual garbage.I was deep into the nag hammadi always trying to make them work with the Word of God but it always resulted in confusion and circular thinking. the Word of God is a straight line, the nag hammadi leads you in circles. I abandoned them eventually and my biblical understanding became much better.my conclusion: satanic leaven.
>>543666725>>543666967In a way if you think metaphysically if God truly is soverign over all I don't think he would let his people be deceived through the bible, if the 4 gospels we have weren't accurate how could you blame the people for falling for it, therefore you must trust that the shepherd has guarded his word in such way where whatever is in the bible even if all not 100% accurate it still leads you to the right place. And when it comes to all the other writings you would think that if they were necessery for us to have them God would have arranged things in such way where they became part of the "canonical gospels". This is why I don't bother myself with texts outside of the bible.
>>543667352>if God truly is soverign over all I don't think he would let his people be deceived through the biblegod in fact doesn't allow his people be deceived through anything. ask anons here> if the 4 gospels we have weren't accurate how could you blame the people for falling for itin fact those 4 gospels, and everything in life act as a test, and they contain truth also, but mixed with lies :/, no one can respond you in the name of god, each one of us is alone with him >if they were necessery for us to have them God would have arranged thingshe arranged everything :DDDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKIM2i1choo
>>543653144You are a subhuman who believes in jewish desert fairytales.The entire Bible is written by Jews except for the Gospel of Luke.
a series of jews considering what would be most beneficial to jewsjesus never existed. he started as an egregore invented by paul, the character was developed later on for the purposes of [circle back to the beginning of this post]
vpning european flags to shill jew worship really isnt working btw. jew worship is in a death spiral and everyone knows it. they simply werent constructed for a digital age. it takes all of five seconds to undermine any single aspect of jewish religions.
>>543656537I hope you kill yourself faggot christcuck.
>>543656537i cant help but think you wouldnt be in this predicament if your religious predecessors hadnt sold out our country and a hundred more just like it to jews
>>543653144very well put and check'd
>>543672727Checked, fuck that faggot I hope all christcucks starve.
>>543671635nah, that ones jewish too lolthere may or may not have been a jewish sympathizing token goyim, there apparently was a number of those at the time. but he definitely didnt author that book.
>>543664343I dont believe you but take your meds
>>543653144Doesnt God cast judgment to a significant amount of human behaviour? So how can we not despise the sociophat scum that surrounds us and drag us down?
>>543672571Goated line up
>Did you know you have to worship jews?? The jews said so!!Nah fuck off with your abrahamic cults
>>543653144Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E
>>543673679>>543673632Always memeflaggots
Primary finding: Countries that were Christian-majority 100 years ago score far higher today on LGBT rights, women's rights and racial/ethnic equality. The gap appears in all three measures, and every one is statistically significant.Method: Each country is ranked against 174 countries using published V-Dem expert-survey data. Scores are percentiles from 0 to 100, where 50 is the median country. The composite averages the three areas. LGBT legal status is cross-checked with the Equaldex Legal Index (0-100).Christian-majority in 1926: Spain, Germany, UK, France, USA, Mexico, Brazil, Italy, Poland, Russia, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Sweden, Argentina, Colombia, Philippines, Ukraine, Chile, Peru.Not Christian-majority in 1926: Israel, India, Japan, Turkey, Indonesia, Egypt, China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Nigeria, UAE, Algeria, Iraq.Group averages (Christian-1926 vs. not):LGBT rights: 77.1 vs 34.8 (gap 42.4)Women's rights: 71.8 vs 39.5 (gap 32.3)Racial/ethnic equality: 62.9 vs 39.7 (gap 23.2)Composite: 70.6 vs 38.0 (gap 32.6)LGBT legal index: 80.0 vs 30.2 (gap 49.8)All five gaps are statistically significant (p < 0.01). The effect sizes are large, ranging from 0.9 to 2.3 (Cohen's d).Top scores: Germany 96.7, Spain 91.8, Sweden 91.2, Netherlands 91.1, Italy 89.6.Bottom scores: Saudi Arabia 7.2, UAE 13.8, Iran 15.0, China 18.9, Pakistan 19.3.Exceptions: Taiwan (82.9), Japan (81.1) and South Korea (70.4) score high despite not being Christian in 1926. Russia (22.4) scores low despite being Christian.Sources: V-Dem Dataset v15 (2025); Equaldex Equality Index (2026).
>>543653144Ok OP, give me everything you own then you dont need it.
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