What an awful inconvenience.It has been 1,200 years of Jew worship.It really prompts the question how anyone could be a White nationalist if White people are subverted this easily.If the neopagan & secular nationalist narrative is correct, it should be the ultimate blackpill:How can one not have a Machiavellian or dim outlook of your own people & people in general if they abandoned their own heritage and worshiped Jews instead for 1,200 years? At some point, you have to admit to having a pessimistic outlook it you accept it has been bad for 1,200 years.The grueling reality is White people make horrid nationalists and never have been racially conscious enough.Christian Conservatives like GK Chesterton in "The Judaism of Hitler" and Jacob Rees-Mogg are pretty much correct in saying that European people have always been too much of a hopelessly "motley people" for nationalism, that nationalism is a completely modern and novel idea, and that for 1,200 years people have been content to only be "Christians" and there was only Churchnat until the French Revolution invented nationalism.For 1,200 years, "nationalism" was Churchnat, centered on being the True Israel/Church, centered on Jew worship, & the Old Testament.Most people in our society have Jewish Biblical names and are circumcised like pawns.
The whole foothold of our religion is Jewish.White children today are raised by Jewish sages in their religion, raised by Black men in sports and music, raised by Japanese men with their anime, manga, and video games; today's society is so hopelessly cosmopolitan and internationalist that I don't think even the nationalists here have the gall to oppose it, because who doesn't live without foreign influence at this point? Whole generations have been raised to accept it that they cannot even think without it.That and the basis of rightwing politics and Conservatism in the West is Christianity.I don't say this with pride or enthusiasm, but with great remorse and loathing. White people are hopelessly predisposed against nationalism no matter what you do.
>>543802380Dragon Ball has a literal [Zen'nō no Kami] as the supreme God. Do you think that's a coincidence?
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>>543802350The right has always been a dead end
You should be loyal to tribe not nation.
>>543802350what a terrible inconvenience some people don't want to be part of the lefts race to the bottom
>>543802350Notice how all Whites sit around on SoMe and keep talking and being offended. It's almost as if they still haven't realized that violence is the only solution, and that they can literally just go out and commit mass violence on an unprecedented scale. You know, like storming parliaments with a frothing hatred, hunting down local politicians, pigs, traitors, shitskins etc.
>>543802725I am loyal only to God. Everything else is a sacrificial pawn.
>>543802743They already got a firm grip on us. They'll just pull us down with them if we don't start fighting back. You are a cuck, and you deserve to see everything you love be raped to oblivion in front of you.
>>543802776Jew faggot. Total Abrahamic Death.
>>543802812No one will answer your prayer. You worthless subhuman atheist scum.
>>543802743The epically based right wingers in Florida and Texas imported jeets and beaners to drive down labor prices which is totally different than California who did it for cultural enrichment. Ronald Reagan announced his candidacy on the site of a famous lynching and ended his presidency granting amnesty to 3 million spics. Being a white nationalist is a humiliation ritual. Have fun watching the kikes showboat after their far-right parties win big in Europe and further sell their countrymen out to Israel.
>>543802725>tribe not nationThis is just semantics.>>543802749>he believes people respond to a "duty to revolt"You are a fool to believe that. That is a comforting lie people tell themselves.This is the Just War & Just Rebellion outlook.You are too optimistic about the nature of people in general.People don't go to war because it is a righteous cause or because it is a just war.People don't revolt because it is a righteous cause or because it is a just war.You only fool yourselves in thinking people naturally respond or -must- revolt because they have a moral duty ro revolt and go to war.In reality, people only respond to factionalism, opportunity/ambition, or personal harm, and only dare to revolt on these terms, but not because of "Just War" or "Just Rebellion" which they have an implicit moral duty to fulfill.People just don't give a fuck.That people don't revolt now is sufficient proof.
>>543802350>How can one not have a Machiavellian or dim outlook of your own people & people in general if they abandoned their own heritage and worshiped Jews instead for 1,200 years?This is a final-level blackpill, because it leads you to investigate the imposition of Christendom onto Europeans at the sword, the rape of tribal matriarchs and slaughtering those that refused, and the loss of the old ways (Druidry, general clannishness, and tribal ritual.) Essentially, yeah, it was 'over' 1200 years ago, and the subsequent events that followed threw Europeans into the corporeal mire - with industrialization, ubiquitous racemixing, nation building, and intersectionalist societies. Its bleak. But that doesn't mean you can't look forward to the possibilities that may emerge in the world today.>For 1,200 years, "nationalism" was Churchnat, centered on being the True Israel/Church, centered on Jew worship, & the Old Testament. OT informed some of the belief systems of this national sentiment because of its relation to the NT and broader biblical adherence and some interpretations, but Christianity can be recognized as a rallying point for Europeans due to its iconography. With Jesus, a White man, the Accuser of the Jews, rebuked by them, and subsequently crucified by Romans. Its a rallying point for identity, of shared racial subjugation, and Christ being the one who informs this outlook based on his suffering. Of course this is a racialized interpretation of the NT, but groups like the Klan utilized Protestantism with Celtic Pagan characteristics ("Crann Tara" / burning cross, Gaelic 'Clann' meaning family)and even the Amish today, with their fundamentalist Protestantism, possesses somewhat of a Germanic clannish orientation, with the 'Ordnung' emphasizing order and discipline. The significance of Christendom lies not only in the usefulness of its appropriation, but its seamless integration with latent Pagan impulses within Europeans.
>>543802681Yeah just give me anti-immigration left and I'm all in
>>543802941>but Christianity can be recognized as a rallying point for Europeans due to its iconography. With Jesus, a White man, the Accuser of the Jews, rebuked by them, and subsequently crucified by Romans. Its a rallying point for identity, of shared racial subjugation, and Christ being the one who informs this outlook based on his suffering.You say this is a "rallying point" for "shared identity", but what identity?You're wrong to say "European".The only identity these people know is "Christian", and that applies to all foreign people as well, so long as they are also "Christian".True Christians don't care about race that way as a rallying point. Their only rallying point is Jesus. Their only family is in Jesus. With any other Jesus follower.Even if Jesus was a White man (Jesus wasn't).That Christians cope that Jesus was White shows no end to how much people will grasp at straws.
>What I frankly & flatly deny, in history as a whole, is that any Nordic Men ever brought anything in the way of an idea into the world. The Germans came in due course to describe their piracy as imperialism; but they borrowed the idea of imperialism from the Romans. They produced a sort of Prussianism that was praised or blamed as militarism; but they borrowed the idea of militarism from the French. The German Emperors modelled themselves on the Austrian Emperors, who had modelled themselves on the Greek Emperors & the Roman Emperors. The greatest of the Prussians did not even conceal his contempt for Prussia. He refused to talk anything but French, or to exchange ideas with anybody, except somebody of the type of Voltaire. Then came the liberal ideas of the French Revolution, & the whole movement of German Unity was originally a liberal movement on the lines of the French Revolution. Then came the more modern & much more mortally dangerous idea of Race; which the Germans borrowed from a Frenchman named Gobineau. On top of that idea of Race, came the grand, imperial and insane idea of a Chosen Race, of a sacred seed that is, as the Kaiser said, the salt of the earth; of a people that is God’s favourite and guided by him, in a sense in which he does not guide other and lesser peoples. & if anybody asks where anybody got that idea, there is only one possible or conceivable answer. He got it from the Jews.- GK Chesterton>The English are a mongrel people, not an Aryan master race.>They are not pure-bred Englishmen. There is no such thing. There never has been. The history of our nation is one of an English culture that runs through this: A freedom-loving people, a people who value everybody under the law, a Christian people. But a society that has taken people in, has ADOPTED them, has made them part of culture, Not a society that has said you keep your different way of living, you are an outsider. We have adopted everybody and brought them in.- Jacob Rees-Mogg
Even if the rightwing was limited to Christian dogma, it would be an immense improvement over this current Christian Zionist (aka heretical) hegemony.Actual Christianity is basically "live and let live" & "the Golden Rule", and that cooperation allows the Church, aka Body of Christ, to flourish and it's people feel belonging, stay industrious and gradually conquer other nations indirectly through their shining example.This has been replaced with a perversion, namely Prosperity Gospel figure-headed by Supply-Side Jesus, where the core belief is "richness equates to virtue" and "ends justify the means" where smash-and-dash corporatism and imperialism are not just condoned but actively encouraged, as if indulgences can be purchased for the right price. If the native population objects to such a morally-bankrupt Epsteinized world, then foreign interlopers will gladly fill in the void to do the dirty work instead.
>>543803459>You say this is a "rallying point" for "shared identity", but what identity? Its anyone.Not with the Amish. They are wary of inducting newcomers on the basis that they're 'Englishers'/outsiders if they're White, and foreigners if they're nonwhite. Their identity is largely Swiss-German. The Klan had a racial tier-system that even motivated them to push legislation banning immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe at one point on the basis that they were Catholic, and some 'swarthy'. >True Christians don't care about race that way as a rallying point.Maybe you're right, but I was referencing particular strains of Christianity, and its offshoots appropriated by Europeans that took on a quasi-Pagan representation. Obviously now you can point to the Church as broadly being an anti-White organization based on facilitating immigration and universalism, along with instilling values that draw parallels between 'original sin', and the 'White guilt' of the intersectional era. But this is all relatively new stuff when you consider the history of the Church and its role in European hegemony.>Even if Jesus was a White man (Jesus wasn't). That Christians cope..The literalist interpretation of Jesus rebuking the Jews and being executed by Romans can be seen through a racialist lens, based on the text alone. Christ called the jews hypocrites, rebuked their dietary laws, and genital circumcision. This is the rationale for muscular, anti-semitic, racial Christianity. In the contemporary US with its decadent cities, multiracialism, and alcoholism - the Amish today take on a likeness to that of the Germanic Pagans with their insulation, animal proximity, and rural living. At least, they are reminiscent of them. Likewise, Jews and Muslims themselves classify Christians as idolators (and yes, sometimes even classifying them as 'Pagan') on the basis that they worship Christ as opposed to Yahweh. This also reinforces the basis of historical Christian antisemitism.
>>543802350If white people are not enough, why not transcend white people.The available genetic engineering tools are perfectly enough to pull a Human Speciation program for a select group, upgrade into Elves, and abandon the downsides of being white or tied to the parasitic ideas infecting them.
What exactly is the tangible issue with Christianity that paganfags seem to see? What good does it prevent? Natsoc Germany was Christian.
>>543804851the main issue is that Christianity gets subverted by Zionists every couple centuries, or Dispensations, if you follow the Scofield degenerates.
>>543804947Zionism didn't exist until the 19th-20th Century, what are you talking aboutAlso Zionism is currently decreasing while Christianity is increasing, and barely any zoomers believe in dispensationalist Christianity so it's a non-issue once boomers die off.
>>543805135so christians should be blamed for the gazan genocide?
>>543803459The identity everyone knows is blood and nature.Give them something better than christianity and they will go with that instead.The post-enlightenment empirically-minded man can't hold on to muh talking snake stories anyway. Everyone is organically turning away from these stories but they return to them because the human mind needs a story.It might sound simple but it will take a real genius to build something truly era-defining that fits under this specific framing.Since apparently we are all retarded, maybe the AI god can do it.
>>543805135That is a valid point of criticism.A lot of you Christians focus on what "Christianity once was" rather than open your eyes to what Christianity is now.As far as Christianity is tangibly concerned, you have the Christian conservatives like GK Chesterton and Mogg who oppose nationalism. Is it really that hard to understand why secular nationalists oppose Christianity? Christianity is fundamentally opposed to nationalism.Some of you Christians act like it is the nationalists shoving daggers into your sides, but you haven't glanced or taken notice of the Christians who also jab back at us.Secular nationalist discontent with Christianity exists because there are grievances with Christianity.NATSOC Germany might have had a population of Christian Germans.But NATSOC / nationalism is not a Christian doctrine--very much to the contrary, Jesus insists that a true Christian should be willing to divide a nation if it means Jesus comes out on top, which is incompatible with Hitler's aim to unite Catholics and Protestants for the sake of nationalism (and not Christ's sake).
Ultraclericalism -- from its Jewish origin -- was always opposed to Nationalism....Just read these verses...Isaiah 60:11-12>Therefore your gates shall be open continually;>They shall not be shut day or night,>That men may bring to you the wealth of the Gentiles,>And their kings in procession.>For the nation and kingdom which will not serve you shall perish,>And those nations shall be utterly ruined.Isaiah 60:16>Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings.Psalm 2>Why do the nations conspire>and the peoples plot in vain?...>The kings of the earth rise up>and the rulers band together>against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,>“Let us break their chains>and throw off their shackles.”...>The One enthroned in heaven laughs;>the Lord scoffs at them.>He rebukes them in his anger>and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,>“I have installed my king>on Zion, my holy mountain.”...>I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:>He said to me, “You are my son;>today I have become your father.>Ask me,and I will make the nations your inheritance,>the ends of the earth your possession.>You will break them with a rod of iron;>you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”
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>>543805135Kikes were always disgusting
>>543802560i think gt mogs super
>>543805822>>543804851>>543802350To a certain large extend Catholicism and Orthodoxy are primarily composed of european pagan beliefs and philosophy wearing a jewish coat of paint. From the beginning local beliefs and customs were integrated into it, and then thousands of years of constant additions made. Don;t forget numerous bloody holy wars against other christian sects all the way from the empire level to individual towns! There was a time, a very very long time, where "christian" was synonymous with white european and no other word need be used to indicate who you meant akin to a hindu or a muslim or a jew being a defacto ethnicity.This is why protestants have effectively reverted into jews after throwing out everything but the Bible(Torah). The religion may have originally been jewish, and it may have been tainted in recent decades, but remember that it contains the entire philosophical output of all of europe over a thousand years. Any conceivable position you chose, and argument you make for how society should be operated, any philosophy or religion you devise, has at one time or another been put forward under the banner of christianity. It's entirely possible for you to lead a mass pagan religious rebellion against christendom, totally overturn every single precept and belief, and wind up in the end simply having revived a century old heretical sect. In other words don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Christianity might be totally fucked in current year but if you completely throw out the last 2000 years of european philosophy along with it you'll be in serious trouble.
>>543805822>Christianity is fundamentally opposed to nationalism.How so?>>543806059Regardless of whether it was a "Christian movement," the country was Christian. So obviously people being Christian didn't prevent anything.
>>543802350And in addition, saying someone is "christian" is about the equivalent o saying they're "european" or "white", it's certainly a real grouping with legitimate value, but it's at the same time sweeping an awful lot of differences under the rug. There's a continent of difference betwene a spaniard and a russian, and an ocean of difference between an american and a brit. We are now, have always been, and will always be a very individualistic mercurial people who constantly comes to blows over internal disputes and never agree on a single central philosophy for long. This has been the cause of all of our problems histoically and in the present, and may even lead to the doom of our entire race, but it's inescapable fundemental quality of our blood, and it's equally lead to every single advancement, innovation, and success in our history. There's a reason the chinese, the blacks, and the jews can look back 10,000 years and see the exact same people doing the exact same shit and claim that their only mistake was not being even more slavishly devoted to their ancient laws, but all we can see in every era is people in the past being total retards and fucking everything up for us until we of course are stuck straightening it all out, only for our descendents to think the same as us. Don't take it as a blackpill, while it's certainly a harrowing journey, there's no way off the ride, and all the other passengers may seem psychotic to you, but at least you're not a nigger, and in the end that's all that really matters!
>>543805135anon, Zionism, aka Spiritual Usury, has always existed in some form or another>Continuously pilpul for 500 years about unleavened bread and preferentially setting up good goyim like Charlemagne, leading to the East-West Church schism>No longer encumbered, the Church wages 200 years of Crusades to reclaim the Holy Land, that only wasted blood and treasure for what amounted to a losing battle against Muslims that usherred in a Dark Age>the heavily-indebted Holy Roman Catholics degenerately started selling Indulgences, basically existence taxes, that led to the Protestant & English Reformations>those splinter groups were then free to experiment in all manners of Zionist subversion and ultimately were divided-and-conquered by Keynesian economic forces (of the Devil).
>>543802350Christiniaty is jewish communism from the antique. There is no such thing as "right wing christianity" because christianity itself is the template for communism and all later neomarxisms.
>>543804851>What exactly is the tangible issue with Christianity that paganfags seem to see?Christianity is a religion based on worshipping and adoring jews who are gods chosen people and the only people ever to make a deal (covenant) with the only god that exists which also happens to be the jew tribal god. The continued existence and prosperity of jews is therefore super important to christians because that proves that the jew god is real and protects them. Christianity is actually universal reform judaism sold to goyim under another brand name. The difference between a christian and a reform jew is that the reform jew thinks rabbi yeshuas message was only for the jews (which the rabbi explicitly says in the new testament) and only applies to jews. They also do not believe in the trinity, which was added to christianity 400 years after rabbi yeshuas death. Some christians, like Jehovas Witnesses, also do not believe in the trinity, but they believe in the universalism, making them almost identical to reform jews. As you can see, the difference between christianity and judaism is so small that they are essentially two different sects belonging to the same religion. Christians are thus ersatz jews.Islam is arabized judaism with some elements from christianity added. All three religions are different sects belonging to the religion of Abrahamism. All three religions worship the same god. Americans say christ is king, arabs say allahu akhbar, both mean the same thing.
>>543806646>To a certain large extend Catholicism and Orthodoxy are primarily composed of european pagan beliefs and philosophy wearing a jewish coat of paint.European pagans did not believe that jews were gods chosen people, that only the jew god is real, that a jewish rabbi was the son of god and also god, and all that other bullshit you find in the bible. You just made this shit up in the hope that it would stick. One thing I have noticed that christcuckers are just like jews, they constantly confabulate new "facts" into being and then start to claim that these facts are real, not something that they just made up, in the hope that the lies will stick. And if you explain why their "facts" are lies, they will slink off, then come back next day and repeat the same lies. I gradually started to hate them. All christians are irredeemable scum that has to die so that their plastic version of judaism finally dies.
>>543807913>The continued existence and prosperity of jews is therefore super important to christians because that proves that the jew god is real and protects them. It wasn't during the Inquisition nor in Nazi Germany, again. This is a modern phenomenon not an inherit flaw of Christianity.
>>543808055>European pagans did not believe that jews were gods chosen people, that only the jew god is real, that a jewish rabbi was the son of god and also god, and all that other bullshit you find in the bible. You just made this shit up in the hope that it would stick.Yes that's the paint, they didn't believe in any of those things because they're entirely alien concepts that meant noting to them and thus were ironically easy to swallow since they didn't contradict anything.All the holidays, all the festivals, most of the saints, all the numerology, all the demonology, the costumes, the architecture, the laws, the philosophy, the art, etc... were purely european in origin. Nowhere in the bible can you find any support, or even mention, for 90% of the supposedly "christian" faith. Everything from the devil himself to the afterlife is a pagan addition.
>>543802350That's because a big part of rw politics is the ability to say "that's just how it is, I don't make the rules". While the left gets sensitive about every complaint, the right is more likely to tell complainers to shut up and default to tradition. To the white American rightwing, it's more vital to avoid talks of fairness, justice, equity, etc because at the core of these conversations is the history of white male rule in every aspect of American culture, commerce, and government. The farther right from that you are, the more you need to face that historical reality while convincing everyone that that is the way it should be now. Talking about racial supremacy and birthright through conquest don't go over well, so the best way to do that is to believe in a God that guides you to vote in favor of the American rw due to cultural issues.
>>543808107>It wasn't during the Inquisition nor in Nazi Germany, again. This is a modern phenomenon not an inherit flaw of Christianity.The inquisition was not concerned with the presence of jews. It was concerned with jews following judaism in secret because christianity was the only allowed religion. Jews that converted to universal reform judaism (catholic sub brand) were fine and good to go. Which the jews did, and then jewish converts founded the jesuits and did a counter subversion operation on the catholic church. So the inquisition was not hostile to jews, it was hostile to judaism, and it was a typical case of sectarian infighting between traditional jews and universal reform jews. Nazy Germany was explicity antichristian after 1933 when Hitler didnt need to pretend any more. NSDAP invented a new type of christianity called "positive christianity", where the entire old testament and half of the new testament was deleted. The remaining half was then retconned to make rabbi yeshua into a normal non divine germanic man who brings no salvation to those who believe in him. This mega heresy enraged christians all over the world, Now they claim that it means that Nazi Germany was christian like them. Liars. You are just a typical moron christcucker trying to confabulate something that sticks. Christianiaty is an insidious mental poison that the mark integrates in his own ego, making it very hard, and often impossible to remove. That is why the easiest way to deprogram a christian is to unalive him, just like the easiest way to deprogram a communist (scientific christianity) is also to unalive him. There is no coexistence with you christcuckers and there is no discussion with you. You are a traitor to your kin, your ancestors and a worshipper of jews. You need to die because you are unclean.
>>543808326>All the holidays, all the festivals, most of the saints, all the numerology, all the demonology, the costumes, the architecture, the laws, the philosophy, the art, etc... were purely european in origin. Nowhere in the bible can you find any support, or even mention, for 90% of the supposedly "christian" faith. Everything from the devil himself to the afterlife is a pagan addition.Holy shit what a stream of lies. First, the holidays and festivals. They were completely mutated, the original theme being replaced with christcuck inventions. One exception here is midsummer, which was impossible to retcon, because souther mediterranian chaos darkies do not celebrate midsummer and since the christcuckers ran by a centrally set formula (remember, christianity is the precursor to communism and its central planning) they just ignored it. As for the other stuff, the pagan "daimon" means a spirit that is immortal but lesser than a god. It was inverted into the christian demon, which is invariably an evil thing. Christian "demonology" consists of the former pagan pantheons, now turned into evil beings seeking the death of mankind. Another inversion. Concepts like equality and universalism were introduced with christianity, pagans had no problems making racist laws or laws specific to some people. F.ex german paganism was hyper racist, swarthoids shall be either enslaved or killed, because the gods command it. Only fair people can be free men, and the nobility has blue eyes, blonde hair and ruddy skin. Christianity was the inversion of this, where fair people are to be equal with and brothers to the swarthoids and negroes. As you can see, christianity is not european nor pagan in origin at all. Everything is in christianity is a jewish mind poison. The sorry state of Amerimuttistan, the most christian western country ever, is no coincidence, it is the logical consequence of whyte amerimutts being the most christian whyte people ever.
>>543809106Actually Americans are probably the least christian whites in history, having abandoned almost 100% of christian philosophy and religion in favor of single jew book fundementalism. American christians are just jews basically.
America is a decaying shithole filled with neomarxisms and antifa precisely because a large component of whyte americans are descended from fundamentalist christcuckers ejected from Europe. According to Pew Research, America is a fundamentalist christian state very similar to Iran, except that the Iranians are shia muslims. Instead of yelling "allahu akhbar", the american yells "christ is king". Instead of posing with korans, the american poses with a bible. If christianity was so beneficial to society and white people, then why does America look like it does? And why are whyte christian americans deranged degenerates that easily turn into antifa? That is because communism, aka "scientific christianity", is just new testament christianity minus supernatural elements. Same formula, same morals, same philosophy. A whyte christian amerimutt is already 90% of a communist and once he goes to college he easily takes the step to upgrade to next generation christianity and integrates it in his ego. This is why whyte amerimutts cannot be allowed back into Europe. They are all toxic, either blue bible thumping cuckservatives or red antifa liberals. They need to stay in America and perish in the coming whyte amerimutt holocaust, the logical consequence of adherence to universal reform judaism, which they call christianity.
>>543809428>Actually Americans are probably the least christian whites in history, having abandoned almost 100% of christian philosophy and religion in favor of single jew book fundementalism. American christians are just jews basically.Christianity was always judaism under another brand name. Didn you read my post above? You are just inventing bullshit in the hope that it will stick. And white americans are the most christian euro population ever in history, since fundie europeans from all across Europe were chased overseas by the state churches. F.ex "dispensationalism" was invented in Europe 180 years ago but the inventor was forced to emigrate to America taking his derangedness genes with him. Then it turned out that the state church was for people who was only formally christian and didnt believe it in.
