Why did NATO weapons fail so badly in Ukraine?
>>544016345they were build for a different war and different era and most of these are monkey models operated by people who learned to use them in some 5 hour speed course.
>>544016345Funny and all, but what the fuck is wrong with his hand?
>>544016518What kind of war and what era?
>>544016605Line of sight warfare. Utterly outdated style combat
>>544016647Why is it out dated? Haven’t drones made it more relevant?
>>544016605>What kind of warww2/cold war fulda gap panzer blitzkrieg type of shit>and what era?1945 to 90s/early 2000s
>>544016726How would you describe warfare now?
>>544016578This shitslide is 10 posts in but i can mm already tell this post is underrated
>>544016345Russia produces ten times more missiles than all NATO countries combined. At the same time, starting next year Moscow will increase the output of such munitions by another quarter.You are completely mistaken if you really believe that NATO still exists and that Western Europeans will fight the Russians for some godforsaken holes like Romania.
>>544016759its just drones now.
>>544016345NATO weapons are still getting kills in pidorussia after they’re captured thoughbeit
>>544016759>How would you describe warfare now?Fake and gay.
>>544016345All weapons failed in Ukraine, because we are at a technological inflection point. But at least Russian weapons are cheap. Turns out that Soviets were right about survivability of individual pieces of equipment on the modern battlefield, and had the right philosophy of large stockpiles and cheaply/quickly manufactured stuff.
>>544016345>Why did NATO weapons fail so badly in Ukraine?made for desert not woods n fields n mud and not improved fro 30 years.fat lazy taco paco murricans as usual
>>544016345driven by slavs
>>544016816>Western Europeans will fight the Russians for some godforsaken holes like Romania.romania nowthe hohol ukraine yes of course
>>544016816Yet you're still only 50km from your own border and retreating again.
>>544016816What are the implications of NATO ceasing to exist, as you outlined? Will Russia go for the Baltics next?
>>544016345slavs are too retarded to use them efficiently
>>544017005Only Ukraine is retreating, niggerboy
The all mighty drone. Its cheap, compact and packs a punch. Why spend millions on a slow death copter or a cloaked jet when drony boy wins with plain of sight. Think of a old HDD drive, then the new SDD comes along. Smaller, faster, better. They are banning drones in the usa because they see how effective they can be in war. God forbid citizens have the ability to take out a government jet thats dropping bombs on their hometown when big gov decides they dont need wasteful eaters anymore.
>>544016816>rusbot animetranny postingDoesn't your government execute for less than this?
>>544016844It's literally not, you retard.
>>544016345Not enough of them, pound for pound they outperformed everythign else on the battlefield but 25 tanks isn't going to make a difference in a war of 10,000the tiger problem desu
>>544016816You don't need to produce missiles when you aren't using them because you aren't at war dude. If you think NATO can't spin up some factories if it needs to, you're retarded.
>>544016867>Killed a 4 years old boyIt checks out with the kind of targets NAFO likes to strike the most.
>>544017064Liar.
>>544016345Depends what you define as "fail" and also "weapon" Javlins were VERY effective against armor and mines were effective against Abrahms, so give and take I guess.
>>544017477But zogged news told me it is a literal gamechanger. It even had an independent ngo expert confirm the wunderwaffel will chage the tide. W-was I lied to?
>>544017477Incorrect, western tanks didn't perform any better than soviet tanks in this war. In some ways they performed worse, due to being so heavy for the terrain. And were many times the cost.
>>544017724Javelins were also a wet fart in this war. NLAWs were more useful in actual practical terms.
>>544017724Ah yes javelin, remember it hitting t-90 at close quarter and doing jackshit
thousands upon thousands of dead russian tanks vs this one abrams tank that gets milked for years
>>544017622Imagine being that retard, you take your kid to a faggy parade to gloat at muh NATO weapons, and then you have go home alone lolGot what he voted for
>>544017477>but 25 tankshavent heard abrahams or challengers running away like little bitches fro more than a year now
>>544017854>Jeets and chinks flooding you countryGot what you voted for, gayboy
>>544017760Wrong but you'll have to be more specific, they've received like 40 different western armoured vehicles in a shotgun of quantities and some performed better than others
>>544017854 kek>>544017987>Got what you voted for, gayboyI'm not saying you are wrong, but...https://kadamboverseas.com/indian-community-vienna-2026/https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/opened-my-eyes-indian-man-in-austria-lists-benefits-of-european-lifestyle-sparks-debate-8121066
>>544018037They all performed poorly anon, from the lightly armed leo1s, to the fancy-ass Stridsvagn 122s, bongonistan's chally monstrosities, and our own Abrams.
>>544016345They didn't. They helped Ukraine survive 4 years and counting
>>544016345They got Ukraine to their current advantageous position so its all good, basically went from wheat farmers to legit inventing new drone tech.
>>544016696Because the other tank is never in the line of sight. Instead, a drone is in line of sight, closing fast on the tank, at an angle
>>544018581Cheap Chinese drones are responsible for Ukraine surviving the last four years. That and a steady flow of Western money.
>>544016816Russia is outpouring all EU that is NOT on a war footing whilst russia is literally scrapping the barrel manpower wise (enough workers for war production and enough workers for the front)
>>544017513>If you think NATO can't spin up some factories if it needs to, you're retarded.It's not that simple. You need resources. You also need manpower and debt and inflation. There's a reason European countries were trying to pay as little as possible for defense until recently(to the chagrin of the United States). The only reason Russia can fight this war is because they have practically unlimited resources. Europe is already struggling.
>>544018618That too. But back then in 22-24 when ukraine had fuckall tanks the hand-me-downs came in clutch because ruskies did have a shitload of tanks.Id say the Bradley turned out to be better than the tanks due to their surprising firepower, even against russian tanks and their sufficient armor to survive drone strikes without trapping the crew inside
>>544018720Retard if Europe went to war they would switch to a war economy same as Russia is now, yes they can spin up some missile factories in that scenario.
>>544016345>Oh no one tank
>>544018682Russia is far from being on a war footing. Russia is spending like 6-7% of its GDP on the military. An actual war footing would be closer to 50% with mobilization and rationing and other restrictions/mandates.
>>544018618>Cheap Chinese drones are responsible for Ukraine surviving the last four years. That and a steady flow of Western money.and mass conscription
>>544018814>Retard if Europe went to war they would switch to a war economy same as Russia is now, yes they can spin up some missile factories in that scenario.THAT REQUIRES RESOURCES YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER. YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMETHING FROM NOTHING AND EUROPE HAS NOTHING.RUSSIA ISN'T ON A "WAR FOOTING". ITS MILITARY SPENDING IS ONLY SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN AMERICA'S DURING THE "WAR ON TERROR". WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE SPENT DURING THE ENTIRE COLD WAR. IF YOU ELEVATE SPENDING MUCH ABOVE THAT, YOU WILL CRATER YOUR CIVILIAN ECONOMY. IF EUROPE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING IT FIRST HAS TO IMPORT MORE RESOURCES. WHICH EITHER MEANS IT HAS TO GO FURTHER INTO DEBT, OR IT HAS TO BUY LESS OF SOMETHING ELSE, OR EXPORT MORE, WHICH IT CANNOT DO BECAUSE IT IS GETTING FUCKED BY CHINA SINCE EUROPE IS SPENDING 3X MORE ON ENERGY AND OTHER INPUTS(PROBABLY MORE NOW BECAUSE OF THE IRAN WAR).
>>544019049Yeah poor europe has no resources and Russia has unlimited. Where do you get this stuff?
>>544018805>22-24 when ukraine had fuckall tankskekthey had thousands of the old soviet stuffjust stop lying
>>544019049how's Russia energy situation doing? you forgot to mention someone here
>>544019075>Yeah poor europe has no resourcesso tell us what we have, faggot
>>544019125>how's Russia energy situation doing?better than yours, lying cia base shill
>>544019075>Where do you get this stuff?Geological surveys. Maybe you should educate yourself you stupid fucking nigger. Canada has resources. Tar Sands, Aluminum, among other things. Where in Europe is the equivalent of the Alberta Tar Sands? Or Middle-East oil?You think you can dig a hole anywhere and oil comes out? Are you fucking stupid?
>>544019049>EUROPE HAS NOTHING.Yeah right. We have one of the biggest coal deposites in the world, a lot of steel and copper deposites and we have enough oil from scandis to wipe out Russia from the map. We just do not mine it all for export because we can export other shit.>SINCE EUROPE IS SPENDING 3X MORE ON ENERGYRetard has no idea. Our high cost of energy is connected to taxation of energy sources and not because we lack energy sources. Just week ago Poland dropped its oil prices by 15% by just cuting taxes. And it was just a fraction of how much it is taxed.If Europe was to go into war economy then all these taxes would go straight to military instead of rapefugees. So better be afraid of Europe waging war you illiterate uneducated retard.
>>544016345what's with haitians posting super hard about SMO lately?>>544016816funny how a russian in one thread states that NATO barely has and barely produces any weaponry but a russian in a different thread says exact opposite >Why are you struggling so much to fight >>544013923 against combined military-industrial complexes and banks of US, EU and others? Are you weak or something?what is it cumrade?
>>544019049You know, writing in full capital doesn't make you right. Russia is spending more than 10% of its gdp while the us spent 4.7% at the peak of their spending
>>544019125>how's Russia energy situation doing? you forgot to mention someone here
>>544019159So by resources you mean just oil lol
>>544018814That's the neat part, they can't. Industrial capacity in the west has fallen sharply from pre-ww2 levels, not to mention specialized military industry and innovation (look at European history pre-ww2, through early mid 17thC. Shit was cash yo). Producing ww2 era munitions is significantly easier than contemporary munitions. As another anon pointed out, this doesn't even include sovereign capacity to produce and process the required raw materiel, the lack of which precludes advanced military industry regardless of capacity.As an easy example, look at the consumption rates of AA&AAA batteries for dismounted forces. Then look at production capacity (spoiler alert, it's effectively zero). There goes owning the night lmao.
>>544019182>Europe waging war>>544019182>coal depositesww1 is finished now, poldoski
>>544019159>Where in Europe is the equivalent of the Alberta Tar Sands? Or Middle-East oil?The north sea you stupid little fuckwit.
>>544018884Conversely Europe couldn't be further than being on a war footing, spending even less on war
>>544019102Thousands? Thats news to me
>>544019182>Our high cost of energy is connected to taxation of energy sources and not because we lack energy sources.You're literally retarded.
>>544016345>he still thinks weapons are made for winning wars you need to go back
>>544016345>nato weapons failed>there were no turret-toss olympics>the Ka-52 went extinct in the wild because of natural causes
what nefarious things will updating the phone to ios 26/27 do and with their Apple ai? Copying your data and sending it to their servers?
>>544016816>starting next year Moscow will increase the output of such munitions by another quarter.>also the chocolate ration will be increased to 20 grams
>>544019273Hey man, you should take the time to read up on contemporary industrialization processes, not to mention supply chain and logistics requirements for complex products. It will illustrate the problem far better than anons can.t. is involved with mil/civ industrial capacity readiness surveys/audits
>>544019224>Russia is spending more than 10% of its gdpIt's maybe 8% if you include anything that might be related to the military. It's supposed to be 6.3% this year. The US peak was about 5% during the War on Terror.5-10% was basically standard during the Cold War.https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=US
>>544019293would go through so many batteries. even more if they were some no name brand that weren’t the big 2 energizer duracell
>>544019273>So by resources you mean just oil lolNo. I mean basically every single resource. Why do you think Hitler lost WWII? Resources.
>>544017360>Putin is weakened, terminally ill with cancer, isolated, and sitting in a bunker.Putin interferes in elections around the world and pursues an imperial policy.>The Russian army has lost 1.5 million and consists of alcoholics and convicts with rusty Kalashnikovs.Ukraine needs to mobilize 30,000 every month; NATO, help with weapons.>Russia is a poor gas station where the population eats hedgehogs and which is about to fall apart.Russia will give us so much in reparations that Ukraine will become the richest and most high-tech country in the world.
yeah look at it failing
>>544019303>The north sea you stupid little fuckwit.What about it? It produces jack shit. And would be stopped completely in the event of an actual war.
>>544019049you say they have nothing and you seem mad about itI'm here to arguethey have lots. millions of people who came from places with shanties which never produced any single modern amenity.by sheer force of will they will turn that mud into crystal.
>>544018682>whilst russia is literally scrapping the barrel manpower wiseDid Ukrainian radio tell you about this?
>>544016867NAFO weapons doing what they do best. Killing unarmed children.
>>544016605not the todays dronewars where few cheap chink drones from aliexpress (aliexpress sells even the drone optical wire thingies btw.) with strapped explosives can disable 34 million $ tank
>>544019570>you say they have nothing and you seem mad about itI'm not mad. I just get irritated when I say something and some annoying Canuck and some Polish nigger tell me I'm wrong.
>>544016867NAFO tech yearns for the blood of the youth.
>>544019222Catherine II turned the throne of the Polish kinglets into a toilet seat for herself. Pole, you’d better shut up.
>>544016345If Russia was winning your daily cope threads would be unnecessary.
>>544018552yu'r welcomeget it [tanks]
>>544019522cant believe 6million soldiers with jewish ancestors died because of this, this is the 6th holocaust
>>544019721Unnecessary flag
>>544019713And now your countrymen are being turned to fertilizer every day using chinese toys. How the times change
>>544019770Lol i didnt know russia suffered such losses
>>544018805Ukrainians literally had two thousand tanks lol, a thousand in service, and a thousand in reserves. But there were never any big tank battles in this war, and maneuver warfare quickly became obsolete. This was simply never a decisive weapon in this war, the tank's chief contribution was as shitty indirect artillery, broken up by the occasional suicide run. On both sides.
>>544019721Cardifftrann, Cardifftranny, not a human, just a tranny!
>>544019713Is russian only succesful ruler a german woman? LMAO XD
>>544018964Constant flow of money enables that sort of thing from arming and training fresh troops, to calling up a chunk of their workforce, and scaring millions more into running. Ukraine doesn't need an industry or an economy to stay in the war. It just needs meat. Well, meat it's got, still a few million worth.
>>544019224>You know, writing in full capital doesn't make you right. Russia is spending more than 10% of its gdpAnother Western lie. Only 6% of GDP is Russia’s military spending, and counting quasi-budgetary operations — 8%. For comparison: the Soviet Union during World War II allocated 40% to this.Is a 2% deficit normal? It is not just normal — it is negligible against the backdrop of 32% in 1992 and 40% GDP losses in the war.
>>544019589No but I assume keeping normal economy running + war personal requirements + additional menpower for war economy is hard to come by with a population of 100 000 000
>>544019895> ANOTHER WESTERN LIEwould have been funnier
>>544019872Your dumbfuckery, for example, led to the fact that in 1939 Ukrainians and Belarusians refused to defend Poland. In modern Polish historiography, this episode is either presented as a “civilizing mission” or pushed to the periphery of attention — in favor of the narrative of Poland as exclusively a victim of its neighbors.
They actually didn't fail because they protected the crew most of the time when hit and incapacitated
>>544016345We're taking our fucking canal back.
>>544019980Notice how retelling the Cold War-era propaganda of the boomer generation does not make liberals any more sane. They literally look like German schizophrenics from World War II who wanted to invade Russia for oil.
>>544020009My fucking sides. I love r/ugh copes.
>>544018834haha get it, rolling averagethese charts drone on and on
>>544019986Hahaha HAHAHAHA TLDR Its now clear why your nation is so butthurt and full of complexes xD
>>544019713Marquis de Coustine in 1830s had this to say: "the more illustrious and glorious past of Poland is an impardonable sin in the eyes of Russia".He noted even then the seethe at something that cannot be changed, the past.Poland saved Europe, and as a thanks, the Austrians (the betrayal!!!), the Prussians (they got what they deserved) and rapacious russia dismantled it 3 times.I start to believe that the ottomans did nothing wrong. I go as far as saying that the Ottomans were fairer and more honorable than the russians (and austrians) ever were. At least as far as my country is concerned and 100% true for Poland.
>>544016816what happens when the war ends, most of russias economy is making missiles now, everything else is in a massive recession
>>544019834I had no idea xoxols had tanks of their own lmao coz they my started asking for gibs day 1 lmao
>>544020066I would be offended, but I have nothing to be offended by — you haven’t cited a single fact.
>>544020066>holy fucking humiliation ritualthe fact that russians still put up with this is incredibly impressive
>>544020098>what happens when the war ends,a new war. that's the only thing russia can produce.
>>544020164your autocorrect has a weird replacement for Israel
>>544020098>most of russias economy is making missiles nowDon’t continue anymore, you stupid asshole. Even 7.3% of GDP is a smaller part of the economy than it seems. The remaining 92.7% is everything else.
>>544020208>Israelmost israelis are russian too
>>544020162yes fun packaging is so hellish. imagine how terrible it would be if there was a new $1300 usd iphone every 2 years.the propaganda here is so 4d chess bc my flag has dorito shrinkflation and economic failure. people complained about the bags being mostly air so they took the air out and charged more for the sleeker package.
>>544020229the remainder is in recessionwhen you stop making missiles then your entire economy is a recession economydo you understand this
>>544020265something something population with 25% herpes incidentfuck that was hard to analogize without being racist against American Black Women
>>544020339Employment in the defense industry is only 5%. By comparison, significantly more people are employed in civilian sectors.
>>544016345The fundamental concepts behind the doctrines they were designed for were actually post hoc justifications to explain how propaganda narratives were possible, and entire generations of officers were trained on propaganda instead of accurate history. For example the OODA loop was invented as an excuse to justify the propaganda lie that American pilots got a 5:1 kill ratio over Korea, when that just never happened. AirLand Battle was designed to replicate the Israeli victory in the 6 day war, but it's based on the Israeli propaganda narrative of the war rather than the actual war. SEAD is like 90% bullshit and has never been nearly as effective as the air force claimed. So obviously the weapons procured to suit the doctrines aren't going to work, since the doctrines are wrong and retarded.
>>544020039They have great survivability actually. Don't know why you are calling it a cope.
>>544020339> let me tell you about your country, I learned all about it from experts on Deutsche Welle.
>>544020453> fleeing through a field shitting in a ditch getting home a week latersurvivability
>>544020138>but I have nothing to be offended byobviously, you already ARE a moskal xD>>544020162they love their amerislop too much. russians yearn to be west, they WANT to be part of the west
>>544020339>the remainder is in recession>when you stop making missiles then your entire economy is a recession economy>do you understand thisWhatever Maynard.
>>544016816Bring it on bitch, we are not afraid of youSage
>>544020126They had the largest tank army in Europe next to Russia itself. And they were actually quite good tanks. Mostly heavily modernized T-64s, which are still doing the heavy lifting in Ukraine's army, and a smattering of T-80s, and T-72s.All these modern tanks with modern ammo can kill each other, and all of them are quite well protected. But the current crop of anti-armor weaponry simply dominates the situation, and you can't concentrate them or bring them up to the front line, except as some dedicated FPV magnet.
>>544019303>The north sea you stupid little fuckwit.not with net zero you gay little cocksucker
>>544019338>Thats news to meim not surprised, cletus mcnigger III
>>544019445Idiots think they can just magically turn their car factories into tank factories like they did in WW2. They don't realise how complex modern factories are.
>>544019456reminder your data is enemy publication....
>>544019885>It just needs meat. Well, meat it's got, still a few million worth.to the last hoholbrought to you by carls junior
>>544020623>They don't realise how complex modern factories are.there is nothing being made in them right now anyway.
>>544016345Abrams is shit and hohols are dumb, american patriots and ballistics, for example, are performing pretty well
>>544020494On the other hand, you can blow up in fiery inferno in a Russian tank. Your choice.
>>544016345same reason why many weapons failed in ww1they were untested and mostly built on theory and not actual battlefield needs
>>544020821no you idiot. Most new weapons of ww1 were sucessfull. That was the Problem Militaries had because they could not figure out new tactics in time to better handle those weapons that's why the conflict went into a stalemate until the americans owerpowered the germans through sheer 1914-style meatwave assaults.
>>544016345>Russia stopped completely dead by Javelins and mobile rocket artillery Seemed like it worked fine.
>>544020809There is a reason why most of the time we see a tank going up its hatches are all open and it's just sitting there. Generally the crew is long gone. Instant cookoffs are a rarity despite the memes.Also both challies and leos carry ammo internally as well.
>>544020961>javelin wunderwaffe in big 26It sucked too, btw
>>544021066It didn't. You're delusional. Also the war didn't start in 2026.
>>544016816BasedYou bomb those eurosissy shitstains into oblivion while we rob them blind with our oil and defense exports.
>>544020921I meant weapons coming into ww1 not the ones developed during itpeople simply werent expecting trench warfare in 1900
>>544016605The kind of war where Americans would go up in billion-dollar tanks, multiple millions of fancy gear on each infantryman and direct air support against three dozen mountain goat farmers or sandniggers in sandals with rusty soviet-era aks, kinda what they have been doing non-stop after vietnam
>>544020097Nonsense. The Ottoman Empire was the only power on the European continent that opposed the partitions of Poland. Austria and Prussia pursued no less harsh a policy in their own partition sectors (especially Prussia).
>>544016345because we're only sending them our old used up shit because why would you give brown, third world subhumans new shit?>>544016605>>544016696cold war stuffwhy would we send brown subhumans our new shit?
>>544020921No. Far from all new types of weapons became successful immediately. For example, the first British tanks in 1916 often broke down, got stuck in the mud, and did not bring immediate strategic success. Chemical weapons depended heavily on the wind and quickly lost their initial effectiveness after the appearance of gas masks.
>>544016816I'm honestly rooting for you guys, ideally I'd want you to eliminate all of yurop so I don't have to see any yuroshitskins writing gay and retarded shit on 4chan, but even just eliminating every country east of berlin would cut down on like 70% of all the blacked and tranny dick posting
>>544016816You spent all your points on that, so your troops aren’t fighting mad max style which isn’t very efficient anymore in terms of gaining land, but horrifically expensive in terms of meat
>>544018552Retard. Roles have changed. War evolves. Tanks are now shoot & scoot sniper arty. Tanks are ancient and solved a problem from WW1.
>>544016947>made for desertmost of the shit we sent was made for the fulda gap in germany and then modified for the desert
>>544021351You’re fat
>>544021382you're brown and gay
>>544021096Yes it sucked in 2022 and 2023 etc
>>544016345NATO weapons are made by effeminate beta males and faggots.They're simply unsuitable for modern warfare.
>>544021328those were weapons created "by" the war not "for" the war so to speak. Those weapons were develvoped with the sole purpose of solving the western front specific issues. (that's why you see them less on the eastern front)I was mostly speaking about 1914 tech (modern artillery with recoil systems, automatic firearms etc..) almost all of the of the tech by the outbreak of the war was a massive success that would completly destroy most military doctrines of the time.
>>544019222>what's with haitians posting super hard about SMO lately? It's all vpnjeets and ziggerai.
>>544021373They're not very good at it, anon. There is just nothing much else to do with them.
>>544020961Russia has long since neutralized Javelin and HIMARS using electronic warfare (EW).https://www.theweek.in/news/defence/2025/03/18/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-details-how-russia-upped-electronic-warfare-to-counter-us-weapons-in-just-minutes.html#1
>>544021447the most surprising fact about the war for me is that General Infantry has not been obsoleted. both sides (more so russia tho) relies heavily on infantry assaults while with a few hundred thousands of dollars you can completly shut them down with drones.
A rapidly evolving war mixed with donated equipment that's decades obsolete, it's basically a pit of antiquated equipment that nobody's even trained in anymore in a serious capacity, from militaries that have not been in a real conflict in decades.Of course, the experience gap is rapidly crossed as the conflict goes on and the flood of new materiel is fast enough, gradual escalation into higher stages of war basically means they can keep burning through money + men and gain competency through ritual human sacrifice.>>544021373More or less, except there's nothing stopping a tank from specializing to be very good arty, or very good as a drone carrier and command post, or very good any other role really. They just need to specialize more. Such specialization takes time and refinement, and an armored cabin is still better than being unarmored and not on treads.>>544021500Peer-to-peer fights devolve into this. The drones are moved to higher priority missions and less important places are left vulnerable and assaulted by infantry, can't watch everywhere at every point in time until you have automated machine gun turrets (which will be droned so the area they're in becomes vulnerable again)You fight with what you have and you can always bring out better equipment with time and money, but said equipment gets concentrated where it would have an effect and that leaves certain places with less of it that are vulnerable to old shit. There's no magic bullet to this for any conflict that's remotely peer, it's just a question of throwing money + material at the problem.
>>544016345NAFO tanks are outdated, totally inferiorArtillery is so-so, vastly inferior to russianMRLS - a bit worse, russia has more types, only USA produces modern MRLS, othe NAFO members do notNAFO Air defense does not exist, only USA has more or less modern air defense which is also inferior to russianAPC/IFV or combat taxi are better than russian, highly likely whole NAFO trategy was based on delivery of mobilized goyim to frontline (zerg rush)Short range suicide drones - on par, its new weapon type for bothlong and medium range suicide drones - vastly inferior to russianMissiles - totally inferior to russian, nafo does not produce modern missiles, the only capable NAFO missiles were designed during cold war (ATACMS)Non-suicide slow drones (MALE) - totally useless type of weapon that nafo produces, it can be used only in africaBombs and ability to deliver them - totally inferior to russianAirforce - cant be compared because ukrainian and nafo airfoce is not used in frontline, its only purpose is to use outdated planes they have to shoot down drones in deep rarewe can continueNAFO furfags will not calm down until death
>>544021500Drones are part of the assault too. This has become a war of 2 man pairs, but each has drone oversight and command, recon drone support, AA and strike drone support, drone resupply etc - not to mention traditional artillery, and aviation. The tip of the spear has become a needle, but there are a lot of people behind these needles still.
>>544021441You moved the goalposts. At first the discussion was about new types of weapons in WWI, and now it’s about the technologies of 1914. Tanks, chemical weapons, flamethrowers, early aviation, submarines—these are also new types of WWI weapons, and far from all of them immediately produced strategic success.Mark I tanks in 1916 were unreliable, slow, often broke down, and got stuck. Their effect was local and psychological, not strategic. Massed use together with infantry, artillery, and aviation came only in 1918. And on the Eastern Front, new weapons were encountered less often not only because they were designed for the Western Front, but because of the mobility of the front, the size of the territories, supply, and terrain.
>>544021580>More or less, except there's nothing stopping a tank from specializing to be very good arty, or very good as a drone carrier and command post, or very good any other role really. They just need to specialize more. Such specialization takes time and refinement, and an armored cabin is still better than being unarmored and not on treads.They're drone magnets, wherever they show up they end up swarmed with drones. Survival on this battlefield means concealment first and foremost.
>>544019517>where the population eats hedgehogs
>>544021631With all of the new spotting shit literally anything is now a giant glowing target, like they literally glow, when you have modern drones in the air.A tank at least doesn't get 1shitted by a 1,000 dollar drone with a grenade strapped on, so they have to go up the ordinance chain and find something that can handle them. Even when this is said and done modern tanks can do arty shit from miles away and are still more protected than anything else, so taking your drone through miles of prepared defenses to attack a tank and it can't be a cheaper drone is gonna be an added thing they have to worry about.If anything the thing that ACTUALLY obsoleted tanks was hand-propelled rocket launchers all the way back in ww2, but they still have their uses as many of the solutions to that problem are also solutions to the drone problem.
>>544017622Exactly, outsource your failings. Accepting the truth is painful.
>>544019872Not so fast, Goldberg.
i like to imagine dead brits (or mutts) behind this vehicle but unfortunately they are too cowardly to fight by themselves
>dominican republic proxyHIVan thread
>>544021265You say nonsense but you're arguing my point.Poland saved Europe and for it Austria, Prussia and Russia dismantled it.Jan Sobieski III should have stayed home and let Austrians and the HRE handle the Ottomans the best they could.
>>544021374>the fulda gap in germanyand the very nice road network in germany, that doesnt exist in hoholand
>>544021584You just know this nigger ALWAYS has an excuse up his sleeve LOL
>>544023154Holand has the best road network in the world my nigger,.with more miles of motorway per square mile than any country in the world.
Death to ruskie subhumans
>>544021423KEKEvery single weapon in your picrel did a great job in fucking over russian
