Another communist success story
>>545329685with bolsheviks you win
>>545329685Vietnam is about as communist, as a urinal cake is a cake.
>"communist country">look inside>market economy
>vietnam vs indonesiaoh god, my parlay
>>545329685>overtakes islamic country in anything..oh wow
>>545329834Vietnam: had communist government since 1954, united under communism in 1975 after a 10 year way against the USA of all countriesIndonesia: pro-Soviet government overthrown in 1967, 3 decades of anti communist military rule follows where communists are hunted down and killedResult: Indonesia is a shithole while Vietnam is booming
>>545329685How do socialists determine whether to raise more farmland for cattle to feed people with meat. Vs using that land to grow beans to feed people protein. Surely socialists have an answer for this right?
>>545329946Could you explain the differences between communism and socialism?
Being richer than Indonesia is not that hard
>>545329685Vietnam is who China copied of of for their communist- capitalist system
>>545330003Why do I need to. They killed millions of people over this ideological difference in these countries and elsewhere, they can tell you the difference.
>>545329685>>545330071>>545330003>>545330019 (You)>>545330060>Muh GDPCan't wait for this retard global civilisation to get nuked and solar flared from the Heavens by the Gods
>>545330060Other way around. Vietnam started market reforms in 1986, but it's still communist just like China.
>>545330071Because they are two very different things. Do you know what you are talking about?https://youtu.be/d0nERTFo-Sk
>>545330105GDP per capita correlates more closely with how much of a shithole a country is than any other metric that isn't subjective and vibe based
>>545329685is being slave labor for the rest of the world really a success story?
>>545329834>>545329946Calling anything communism today is a stretch. They begin with pie-eyed ideals, then everyone who thinks it might work is killed, a totalitarian dictatorship is created and they call it communism. The real joke is that even perfect communism would never work, because people are fucking greedy. That's why the ones at the top try to convince the rest of us to "share" while they rape us and rob us blind.
>>545329969They actually do, is called science over markets
>>545330193Vietnam is starting to have its own brands and companies, their cars are dominating the Filipino market. Indonesia is pure slave labor, the place where they make nike shoes.
>>545329834The capitalistic west won the cold war against communism soley because of it's manufacturing base. That manufacturing base was handed over to communist China in the 90's in exchange for us also giving them nuclear icbm tech—thanks bill, best communist president ever.Now that communism has full intergrated the manufacturing base built by the american middle-class, expect every communist country to excel over everyone else.
>>545330209Idgaf. End story is country ruled by communist dictatorship has turned out more successful than country that hunted and killed communists for 30 years.
>>545329969How does trump determine the need to buy 10% of IntelHow do Larry fink and Sam Altman determine the need to take your money and give it to data centers
>>545330230I know that. I just want to see them explain it. As if there is something objectifiable via value... it is all hilarious.
>>545330357Because he is a fucking retarder oligarch. Just like any central planner.
>>545329834> a urinal cakeWtf is that? No, I don't want to know. Forget it.
>>545330300>That manufacturing base was handed over to communist China in the 90's in exchange for us also giving them nuclear icbm tech—thanks bill, best communist president ever.China had nukes by 1964, fired its first satellite in 1970 (before Nixon visited), fired ICBMs over the Pacific in 1980 and sold them to Saudi Arabia in 1988. All before your favorite Clinton boogeyman.
>>545330407So everyone does central planning and everyone does marketsBut in this case study communist Vietnam has clearly outperformed anticommunist Indonesia
>>545330498Could you explain the differences between socialism and communism to us?
>>545330563Idk. I'm not an economist or political scientist. I'm just pointing out clear observable results and don't like special begging.
>>545330650You're pointing out >clear observable resultsYet don't don't have the ability to explain the differences between communism and socialism?
>>545330260all that tells me is the people running the slave labor in vietnam are better at investing their profits than the ones in indonesia
>>545330780So communists are better at business and investing than anticommunists
>>545330300You can't keep low skill manufacturing in rich countries, as workers demand higher wages, costs go up and manufacturing shifts to cheaper countries. You then have to pivot to high skill manufacturing and services. >>545329969In practice they use a combination of markets and planningIn China they mostly do it indirectly through the state banks and other incentives, which capitalist countries also do to some extent
>>545330302Successful? What's your definition of successful?Mine includes having land, freedom and being left the fuck alone. Is that what you get in Vietnam?Speaking only within the context of shaping a society that functions, regardless of the happiness of the people living within it, narows the definition of "successful" to something that only applies to forcing people to live together, and simply managing that. We are a product of capitalist demands, and this applies to the leaders and creators of communism, too, except the only capitalists allowed in communism are the leaders.
>>545330889>Mine includes having land, freedom and being left the fuck alone. Is that what you get in Vietnam?You certainly can't get that in Indonesia
>>545330432I said nuclear icbm tech, chang, you bug people were too stupid to do it yourselves. Given the most powerful manufacturing base, one that literally won ww2 on both fronts, and you still can't do anything meaningful with it.Fucking embarassing. Communism is absolutly worthless without parasitizing off of capitalism. Nothing more than a lice ideology for the lice people.
>>545329834Then how come we can't do capitalism like Vietnam?>BECAUSE THAT'S COMMUNISM!
>>545330861if that's the spin you want to run with, sure, but you're really glossing over the slave labor part
>>545331058There's no significant amount of slave labor in Vietnam or in China. There is however quite a lot of it in India and Pakistan, both countries which rejected communism.
>>545330959I can get it here.
>>545330969>I said nuclear icbm tech, chang>The DF-3A (NATO: CSS-2) is a Chinese liquid-fueled, single-stage, nuclear-capable intermediate-range ballistic missile. It entered service with the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force in 1971,
>>545331099I'm sure that's the only differing factor, too.
>>545330302So you don't care what their actual economy or government is like, just what it's called?
>>545331304Indonesia spent 30 years arresting and killing communists just to end up poorer than communist Vietnam.
>>545330861What are communists? What are socialists? What are capitalists?
>>545331356Jews.
>>545330874>In practice they use a combination of markets and planningIn China they mostly do it indirectly through the state banks and other incentives, which capitalist countries also do to some extentThis was not an answer.
>>545330302>IdgafThat’s because you’re low iq.
>>545331001What is the difference between capitalism, socialism, and communism?
>>545331356It all comes down to what you vote for, communists vote for the communist party, socialists for the left, capitalists vote for no healthcare at home
>>545331356Communists are people who declare themselves communist
>>545331099>india rejecred communismDo you know who Utsa Patnaik is?Do you know the reason as to why the Indian nationals claim britain owes them 68 trillion dollars?Do you think Utsa Patnaik was a capitalist?
>>545331354Obviously a government that randomly hunts and kills its own citizens isn't a very good one
>>545331620But enough about britbongistan
>>545331615No one believes India is a communist country. They were pro Soviet that's all. Pakistan was an anticommunist American ally.
>>545331522>>545331391>>545331530No answer... LMFAO
>>545331698Then explain utsa patnaik.
>>545331756Obviously not communismIndia does have a communist party legally holding seats. It just so happens Kerala, the one Indian state where the communist party holds power, is the richest and most developed state.
How does per capita exist if nobody makes any money? Communism is you work, you get what you need, no money involved. Can someone please explain?
>>545332303>Communism is you work, you get what you need, no money involved.According to whom?Deng Xiaoping said there is no contradiction between socialism and markets. As he is an actual communist and you aren't, I'll take his word for it.
>>545329834and syou still couldn't win a war against half of them lol
>>545330300>>545330209These models only work with massive population and economies to feed them.Chinks demographics are fucked and eu is hosed and America is holding on for dear life.These systems are shit and are destined to die
>>545332382>A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access[1][2] to the articles of consumption and is classless, stateless, and moneylessRetard
>>545331167>bug tech is only tech, completely impossible that the west had better tech and gave it to the lice people.You're a testiment to your kind
>>545329685The denisovan hominids are diligent but not very smart, not like the Germanics.
>>545333234I'll take what communist leaders said over what wikipedia says
>>545330209You don't need pie in the sky ideals to recognize that there is a class of people who enjoy unnecessary extreme wealth by stealing the labor value of others while doing no labor on their own.
"Communist" Vietnam is ironically more free market than the entire "capitalist" West these days.
>>545333742It's a paradox that in order to be "more capitalist" you have to be less capitalist and have aggressive capital controls and taxes to stop capitalism from trending towards it's most natural state of entropy which is what we have now.I wouldn't say Vietnam is more capitalist but like China they probably use the government to keep capitalism in "early stage capitalism" rather than let it progress to it's only logical conclusion like what we have in the U.S with a few companies concentrating all wealth and capital at the top.
>>545333607>Everything I personally hate is capitalism
>>545329685so vietnam is a classless, stateless, moneyless society?
>>545331408I'm sorry, my responses are limited. You must ask the right questions.
>>545329685>vietnam>communistBыбиpaй oдин, дoлбoёб
>>545329685A lot more people will become communist because of US billionaires taking everything for themselves when regular people can't afford food, gas or housing
>>545329685>Less per capita than México lol
>>545329834so youre saying it's not real communism this time?
>>545334825Mexico is awfully shitty for how wealthy it is. Asian countries accomplish more with less than Mexico has.
>>545329685polish viets are based
>>545334825Mexico has had decades of NAFTA free trade to make money from Americans and is stuck below Russia
>>545334825Mexico would literally be fine if they nuked the cartels
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>>545329685I love this viet porn whore.
>>545329685>per capitaLol. LMAO even. Nope. The “per capita theory” has been rightfully proven wrong. It’s just outright misleading.
>>545339679Post the real rebuttal
>>545329685Another failed Muslim state
>>545339679Reddit is that way, nigger retard
>>545339785Amen brother.
>>545340030Yes, go there
>>545329685Human trafficking, cp, extortion and meth in flows
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>>545340045>Why is 'per capita' used to deflect from raw numbers when accountability is involvedIt isn't a deflection, it is a more accurate description when comparing different things to one another that have vastly different raw numbers. Basically it shows the disparity between things if they were actually equal in size. Example:500 rapists out of a population of a 1000 Afghans = 50% of the population5000 rapists out of a population of a 100,000 Europeans = 5% of the populationIts not hard to understand.
>>545334059No. What does that have to do with communism?
>>545333383So communist China developed with tech from communist USSR. Not from Bill Clinton like you claimed.
>>545340652>Its not hard to understand.Jamal has trouble with concepts that don't involve unprotected sex with unwilling partners or stealing something. Or committing violence.
>>545342310I think Jamal wasn't expecting someone who has an actual understanding of per capita to reply back.
>>545342492They never do.
