Why is Russia losing badly against Ukraine?
>>546237824>Why is Russia losing badly against Ukraine?Why do people (sheep) think Russia is losing?
>>5462379313 day special operation
>>546237824Why do you try to force it into reality? It won't help it.
>>546238054>3 day special operationcool, if we put a number to a day operation this automatically makes Ukraine winin delulu land that is
>>546237931>>546238110The snow jeet brain is amazing.
>>546238110>Bombass status?>denazification and demilitarization status?>neutrality status?>Kijów status?two more weeks?
>>546238195>brain is amazingdo you have one?
>>546238219>Ukraine statusminus 50% of populationminus whole GDPminus ~2 million soldiersminus 20% of territorynext question about status plz
>>546238219>we are at the point in negotiations where Ukraine joining NATO is now on the table Absolutely embarrassing
>>546238284Two more weeks to flatten Ukraine.
>>546237824The war, which almost everyone is sick to death of and which has almost destroyed neighboring Ukraine, could not have ended in defeat for either side. Both sides believed they absolutely had to win, because, first, that was just, and second, the victory of the opposing side would mean defeat for themselves. And what we are seeing is an attempt to end a war in which both sides will be the victors—but that never happens. Among other things, because the forces are roughly equal. The forces of Russia, prodded on by Putin, and the forces of Ukraine, supported by the strongest countries of Europe and America.
>>546237824They're only losing soldiers and Russia doesn't give a shit about soldiers. If they keep going until Ukraine runs out of soldiers they will keep doing it even if their loses are 5 times higher
>>546238284so no russian goals have been achieved okaywe wait two more weeks
>>546238328>Two more weeks to flatten Ukraine.you probably didn't notice, but your response has no facts nor any kind of data or information nor even arguments in it
>>546237824> Why Because you listen only globalhomo point of view, probably BBC or CNN or some shit like thatThe reality is that Russia is winning HARD and Finland+Baltics+Poland will be leaving NATO soonTrump is a smart man and he reasonably thinks that is would be better to have Russia as a friend and a partner than an enemy, while Zelensky regime and EU is useless to him
>>546238241Catch a train.
>>546238367>so no russian goals have been achieved okay>we wait two more weeksif you invent some imaginary reasons in your head for what russia needs to achieve, and then pretend they haven't been achieved, then you can also claim Japan won in WW2
>>546238444>Catch a train.so you don't have a brain?
>>546238284>All this and still cannot conquer Ukraine in 5+ years
>>546237824Because russians are genetically inferior
>>546238492>All this and still cannot conquer Ukraine in 5+ yearswho said anything about conquering being a goal? Did it come from your discord channel?
>>546238367Only 26% believe that Ukraine is currently winning. The majority (62%) believe that neither side is winning.
>>546238474You aren't biologically human. You are below a nigger.
>>546238549You aren't biologically human. You are below a nigger.
>>546237824Ukrainians were able to pick up the advanced weapons that are so effective, they have natural military science minds that have created several new battlefield tactics that keeps Russia on their back feet. Luckily, Trump and Xi and Putin are coming up with a plan.
Are they though?From what is gathered from official statements and also leaks, it's mostly people from the country side that make up the current grind and also where most of the graves are.The actual army and the entitled class is still comfortable in the cities and get fed propaganda that everything is great but in essence only population reduction is in action so you can't expect much more from hillbilly Joe that failed as a farmer and now fail as a soldier.
>>546238529>Let's spend 5 years in a stalemate instead of a quick winStraight out of the Art of War I see
>>546238632>Straight out of the Art of War I seeyou think Russia doesn't have the capability to bomb all of Kyiv to shit?
>>546237824their doctrine hasn't changed since ww2. Just keep throwing meat shields at the enemy until they run out of resistance.
>>546238715you think that doctrine was invented in ww2?
>>546238691Okay, so Russia started a 5 year war that it has the capability to win but dont want to?
>niggers are in the russian propaganda bubble while they lose thinking it's a win thinking their psychic powers will make russia win if they believe enough
>>546238806>Okay, so Russia started a 5 year war that it has the capability to win but dont want to?it is winning it, once you understand that the war isn't about Ukraine but about the security architecture of europeukraine is just the cheap meat europe is throwing at russia
>>546238929can you explain to us exactly how is it that losing your territory means you are winning?I want to know the american scientific method of explaining that
>>546238939>Invades Ukraine not to invade UkraineAh I see. And I guess that successfully stopped other countries from joining NATO and made them all disband their armies?
>>546239094>Ah I see. And I guess that successfully stopped other countries from joining NATO and made them all disband their armies?Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia represent about 1% of Ukraine's military capabilities at best. The only real eastern adversaries in Europe is Poland and Ukraine.if you read history - that's where most of Russia's wars were fought for centuries
>>546238064That's all of Ukrainian propaganda. Lie about Ghost of Kiev, hope it eventually comes true.
>>546238929Imagine the situation outside historical realities - with talk for the poor about who started the war, who is the aggressor, and who is the victim - as a confrontation between two abstract forces, both equally ruthlessly thirsting for the opponent’s defeat. How can this end? Only in a resounding catastrophe, a total collapse of one of the sides; but do not delude yourselves - it will not be Putin.
>>546238939>about the security architecture of europeRussia's doing a terrible job at that too. They're fighting European hand-me-downs that would otherwise have been decomissioned, they jolted Europe awake so it started to rearm, they've wasted 5 years which Europe has spent getting its decrepit defense industry in order, all of it unmolested while Russia's getting droned here and there and losing men. And they've completely ruined their public opinion to the point where no one in Europe dares voice support for Russia. And they lost their resource blackmail advantage. By all possible metrics Russia is worse off than if it did not start the war at all.
>>546237824Because it is not one v. one. Ukraine has Europe behind them.
>>546239377But the fact that Russia remained a large and very inconvenient neighbor, harboring resentment, seemed to go unnoticed by European strategists, who assumed that Russia would sooner or later come to terms with the loss of its former role and its current, utterly negligible position. Negligible not in absolute terms, but negligible compared to its former greatness and habitual ambitions.
>>546239377>And they've completely ruined their public opinion to the point where no one in Europe dares voice support for Russianot really, it's just illegal to voice support russia in europe or you'll get arrested. But plenty of people still keep to their own opinion in private.>Russia's doing a terrible job at that too.it's not russia begging for peace summits, it's the west. And it's also EU that is chimping out about any settlement whatsoever.>they jolted Europe awake so it started to rearmEurope cannot re-arm anything without the support of males (90% of whom feel betrayed by their country and don't want to fight for it), and without USA's supply of weapons.And as things seem to pan out, USA is increasngly turning anti-Europe in all of this
>>546237824Because Russia is fake, an imposter. Kiev is the true heirs of Rome and have God on their side.
>>546238973If america invade mexico and claim they’d take it in 3 days, but instead five years later they still hadn’t managed to get anywhere near the capital while thousands of videos showed mutt zogbots being torn to shreds by drones operated by a 1.60 siesta gassy mexican that would count as a humiliating defeat for usa lol
>>546239677vidrel of true cocaine heir
>>546239702Guess why USA avoids invading Mexico, lol.And also, Russia lost 26 million people in WW2, and that didn't really classify as "humiliating defeat against Germany"Russia also spent 21 years defeating the Swedish Empire, after which the Russian Empire was born. The problem is very simple:you are sheep who use sheep slogans to push your sheep reasoning behind why Russia is LE LOSING while on the ground it is in fact Ukraine that lost everything
>>546238753Russians weren't always incompetent in warfare, anon.
>>546239815>Russians weren't always incompetent in warfare, anon.they never were, and they still aren't watch how USA now is scared shitless to do any ground operations anywhere in the world, after it saw what drones can do
From what I've gathered Russia primarily lost some of its professional standing army in the failed initial invasion. Since then it has been prison conscripts, poor volunteers, mercs and merc companys and foreign deployments. I've rarely seen the professional army do things other than take control points then fall back so these fodder groups fill the line and get pasted in their attrition war.I sincerely think that if Russia grinds down the Ukrainian forces enough, Ukraine is going to lose a lot more that 20% of its territory, like the south coast will be snapped up. Like the majority of their professional standing army is still around.Though I also think Russia is hitting stalls on the number of conscripts/volunteers and old stock they have available. Also I think that Ukraine's sovereignty is basically on if Europe/West physically intervene and cause chaos back home and potential regional war or let Russia take what it wants.
>>546239931>lost some of its professional standing army in the failed initial invasionwhat even is a "professional army" that has 0 combat exprience, anon?The current soldiers fighting the current war have a hundred times mor know-how about warfare than anyone sitting in barracks in Russia pre-2022 or anyone sitting in barracks in NATO right now
>>546239892Their only claim to fame, WWII was won by Ukrainians, Belarusian and other people from the satellite republics, without mentioning a the help given by the USA, russia is a nation of liars always posturing, bullshiters who have keep bamboozling the gullible retards who think they are either trads or still the USSR.
>>546239931Russia retained rotation and mass recruitment (≈850,000 contracts in 2023–2024).Professional units (VDV, naval infantry) did not “step aside” - they bear the main losses as the strike force.
>>546240012Equipment, support, coordination, training, regional operation exp etc. The conscripts/poor volunteers know how to survive not fight, they are the sponge for this attrition grind. I think Ukraine is kinda fucked desu
>>546240224>Equipment, support, coordination, training, regional operation exp etc.the equipment current soldiers use in the war far exceeds anything the Ukrainian/Russian soldiers had access to in 2022Same goes for support and coordination.Training now comes with very recent combat experience in the field, as opposed to theoretical bullshit from manuals.regional operational exp - what? What region?
>>546239604>it's just illegal to voice support russia in europe or you'll get arrestedHow about you give one example of that>it's not russia begging for peace summits, it's the west. And it's also EU that is chimping out about any settlement whatsoever.I don't know where you're seeing either of these.>Europe cannot re-arm anything without the support of males (90% of whom feel betrayed by their country and don't want to fight for it), and without USA's supply of weapons.So far the EU scaled up artillery ammo production fourfold, so numbers say otherwise.
>>546240340>How about you give one example of thatpersonal example: I literally was contacted by my director and threatened firing for disagreed ing with the NATO opinion on Russia war.>I don't know where you're seeing either of these.peace summits? Literally happening this week.>So far the EU scaled up artillery ammo production fourfold, so numbers say otherwise.that's cute, what did it scale down in return? The economy?First ~3 years of war in Ukraine so far are estimated to have caused $3 trillion in damages to the EU economy, not counting loans to Ukraine
>>546237824You lost
>>546237824Because Russia is not a superpower, it is a shithole. They hoped for a blitz takeover of Ukraine and failed. Now it is just about not understanding when to leave because jewtin still thinks he can win.
>>546240596>the hardest job for EU politicians is to convince Putin he is defeatedunironically a real news title from 2022
>>546240406>threatened firingThat's not being arrested, or proof of that being illegal. Are you sure you weren't just a sperg about it?>peace summits? Literally happening this week.How is that proof of Europe "begging" or "chimping out"?>that's cute, what did it scale down in return?>The economy?This is how rearmament works, yes. You think Russia isn't paying the economic cost either?>First ~3 years of war in Ukraine so far are estimated to have caused $3 trillion in damages to the EU economy, not counting loans to UkraineYes, this happens when you decouple from a resource supplier. It's also something Europe has had 5 years to deal with and an advantage Russia won't have again.
>>546240630Well if Jewtin is being fed AI videos by his underlings, he obviously will believe that he can win. There is nothing to convince him of, when drinkable water is just western propaganda to him. Just wait till the old jew kicks the bucket so that the next tzar can apologize to Europe and fuck off.
>>546240685>That's not being arrested, or proof of that being illegal. Are you sure you weren't just a sperg about it?people do get arrested for it tooI can give you a task. Walk outside now with a russian flag, see how it works out for you. Hope you're not pussy to do it.>How is that proof of Europe "begging" or "chimping out"?because even USA told Europe that its time to change the security architecture of Europe. And feminists in power with 1% approval rating said they will never do such thing.>This is how rearmament works, yes. You think Russia isn't paying the economic cost either?I find it funny that the weak/losing Russia is so weak and so losing, all of Europe needs to re-arm. Especially in the backdrop of German industry going bankrupt?>Yes, this happens when you decouple from a resource supplier. It's also something Europe has had 5 years to deal with and an advantage Russia won't have again.lol, the only reason the economic engine of EU even was successful in the first place (Germany) is because it built its entire industry on discounted/cheap resources from Russia.When you say "decouple" you pretend as if there will be someone else in the world who will provide Europe with same energy for same prices.Protip: there won't be. And along with that, there won't be any economic growth anymore in Europe.
>>546240596The front lines have barely shifted sonce about a month after the start, Russia has singlehandedly fought the entirety of the west to a stalemate. The have held donbass kherson and crimea, and will continue to do so.They dont have to do anything else now but stay where they and continue to slaughter the radioactive pedophiles from the ukraine on mass as they run head first into the meat grinder. Pic related
>>546240709>Well if Jewtin is being fed AI videos by his underlings, he obviously will believe that he can win. There is nothing to convince him of, when drinkable water is just western propaganda to him. Just wait till the old jew kicks the bucket so that the next tzar can apologize to Europe and fuck off.how about nothing from your delulu fever dream is true or will ever happen
>>546240877>forgetting the pic
>>546240877>Russia has singlehandedly fought the entirety of the westYou mean 1% of bunch of old cold war shit of the west. I mean this is such a pathetic cope. Le entirety of the west. Until B2 bombers aren't bombing the red square, Russia hasn't even touched the west.
>>546240709Putin is not merely the elderly leader of a large and resource-rich Eurasian country; he is immense arrogance that cannot be substantiated by anything other than the bowing of all Europe before a master who might, at the last moment, agree not to cut off heads bowed before him - but only if they bow down humiliatingly. And since this is not planned for the foreseeable future, there will be no truce and no end to the war.
>>546240937>it's a 1v1 Literal double digit iq take right there.
>>546240941You are large and resource rich, yet you are poor niggers. Jewtin is at fault by the way. Instead of making you rich and civilized, which you could be with a snap of fingers, you shittify your country and attempt to shittify others as well.
Wants the war actually ends and something like 10-15% Ukrainians still live the world and zelensky are gonna be like oops sorry but we had to lie to motivate our soldiers :)! Well build a bunch of memorials to remember how stunning and brave our fallen soldiers were for fighting until extinction and Slava ukriani will be reborn via endless Jeet migration to reboot the economy of the country :D
>>546240984I have never said that, but nice try you dishonest fucking nigger.
>>546241012Well, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Arrogant Europeans.
>>546238284what about stinky?
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>>546240870>people do get arrested for it too>I can give you a task. Walk outside now with a russian flag, see how it works out for you.I'd probably get beat up, sure. Not arrested. Now show proof of your claims faggot or fuck off.>because even USA told Europe that its time to change the security architecture of Europe. And feminists in power with 1% approval rating said they will never do such thing.Sounds to me like proof of Europe not begging for peace, you know.>I find it funny that the weak/losing Russia is so weak and so losing, all of Europe needs to re-arm. Especially in the backdrop of German industry going bankrupt?Just because a crackhead next door is 40 kgs dry weight and poor as shit doesn't mean he won't try to jump you with a knife.>When you say "decouple" you pretend as if there will be someone else in the world who will provide Europe with same energy for same prices.>Protip: there won't be. And along with that, there won't be any economic growth anymore in Europe.Yeah man idk, Germany's already done some sweet deals with Qatar. And China's not hurting either despite Russia being only one of their many suppliers, so I don't see why Europe would. Even assuming you're right, we're comparing to what'd been before the war, and between being able to blackmail Europe and not being able to Russia is worse off no matter who Europe's buying from.
>>546237824why are shills spamming this garbage as jewkraine is losing obviously?
>>546241012Maybe Ukraine is needed by Western Europe? And here there are great doubts. If it were needed, it would have been accepted into the EU on the very first day of its existence, instead of having an invitation dangled like a carrot in front of the Ukrainian nose for decades.Maybe Ukraine is needed by Russia? It was needed - but as a territory governed by adequate guys. Those times are long in the past, and there is no return to them. Moscow no longer wants to preserve Ukraine, which is why we have the new regions, and the number of which, one has the feeling, will only increase.
>>546241286>and the number of which, one has the feeling, will only increase.Sure thing anon, two more weeks and you might get one. Just keep banging your already bloodied head against a wall, there is a candy behind it.
>>546237824Because the guy who torture soldiers to extract from them sign-up money and then send them to die in premediated with ukrainian forces locations got promoted.
>>546241250I think you completely missed the part where Europe is kinda irrelevant to the world. It's not the 1900s anymore. Shit's getting expensive. Industries are closing down. Germany is even beating panic drums that China is taking Europe's plance in literally every product line Europe ever earned money from. And despite not being able to keep up with China in traditionally-European businesses, Europe is now also playing games with getting their engineers laid-off becuase they voluntarily cut themselves off from the only source of energy their industry depended upon. (and done so without being attacked or invaded by the way... entirely "le values" driven decision)Don't you find it fascinating how:- the economic might of EU (entirely fed by Russia)- the military might or EU (entirely fed by USA)produced a society that simultaneously believes it is the king of the hill, and simultaneously demands that everyone else has to solve their economic and military problems?This is the definition of a spoiled brat, who's hanging a hair away from a major spanking session from both parents that fed him.>I'd probably get beat up, sure. Not arrested. Now show proof of your claims faggot or fuck off.you have google...> Slovakia, 16 May 2022: Štefan Harabin arrested for publicly supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine on Facebook. Later acquitted.> Latvia, 10 May 2022: Aleksandrs Dubjago arrested after giving a speech while wearing a Russian flag. Criminal proceedings later dropped.> Poland, May 2023: Man detained in Prudnik for displaying Russian military Z and V symbols while dressed as a Russian soldier.> Czech Republic, 11 March 2023: Man detained in Prague for wearing Wagner Group insignia and a Russian Z symbol at a demonstration.> Lithuania, 9 May 2022: Pro-Russian activist Laurynas Ragelskis detained during Victory Day commemorations in Vilnius for disruptive behaviour and refusing police instructions.
>>546241348Formally, Putin continues to speak from a position of strength, no matter how much Ukrainian and émigré analysts try to downplay the significance of the slow but steady advance on the front line - it is real. Even if, for propaganda purposes, they resort to sly calculations of the territory that Ukraine has “liberated” in response - although for the most part it has liberated territories that no one was defending, simply shifting the border on the map in the grey zone.
>>546241592You lost 3% of Donbass in 2 months. Why aren't you defending Donbass?
>>546241665>inb4 we gift them donbass next weekKek
Why are there so many shills today, what blew up this time
>>546237824Russia always loses wars. That's how their country got so small.
>>546237824Modern warfare is a joke that's why.The idea of war is to commit such atrocities that the other side just give upbut we don't do that anymore and thus you have all these forever wars
>>546241753The problem is that nobody is going to gift shit to Russia. Jewtin wants Kherson. Jewtin cannot get Kherson. Jewtin will keep boasting how he wants Kherson or no deal. Jewtin has no military or diplomatic means to ever get Kherson. Therefore Jewtin will keep sending Russians to their deaths until he kicks the bucket. Then, the next Jew will apologize to Europe, leaves Ukraine and then we can talk.
>>546241552Displaying communist imagery and promoting communist ideology is illegal in the Czech Republic. Sorry.
>>546241902>Displaying communist imagery and promoting communist ideology is illegal in the Czech Republic. Sorry.neither wagner nor Z is a communist symbolit's like getting arrested for wearing a BlackWater patch
>>546241872You do realise there are peace talks next week right, and the offer is The Donbass, Jewlinski has said today he will bring the question to his 'population'.It's over lad
>>546242011Sure thing buddy
>>546241552>yadda yaddaOkay, great, but none of this is affected by the war in Ukraine. Russia would've still been better off in a possible future was if Europe was still dependent on it for resources. So the war still made their position worse.>you have google...Sounds like everyone was either acquitted or only detained. That would actually prove that supporting Russia is NOT illegal in Europe.
>>546242006>neither wagner nor Z is a communist symbolOk buddy
>>546242069so what you're saying is that your government/police can just randomly invent on the go what classifies as "communist" or "not communist" depending what fits their feelings/emotions in that year?
>>546242040Im glad we agree. And all the "refugees" will be shipped back to their radioactive bombsite of a country
>>546242100No, I am saying that displaying communist symbols is illegal in the Czech Republic
>>546237824When will ukraine retake any land back?
>>546242045>Okay, great, but none of this is affected by the war in Ukraine. Russia would've still been better off in a possible future was if Europe was still dependent on it for resources. So the war still made their position worse.yeah well who started EaP project?Wasn't it Poland the main sponsor of that?Who supported and funded Maidan? Was it Russia?Who spent 8 years (as Merkel admitted) lying to Russia so they could win time for Ukraine to re-arm?
>>546242147>No, I am saying that displaying communist symbols is illegal in the Czech Republiccool, so what does that have to do with this thread or with anything I wrote?
>>546242113Aaaaany second now, just like it totally happened during all those 100 other peace talks where it also all happened and those 100 other peace talks that will still happen after this one.
>>546242192Well you complained about it, so I just answered.
>>546242214>Well you complained about it, so I just answered.what did I complain about?
>>546242194Serious question, in good faith. How do you see this ending?Do you believe The ukraine will be bigger or smaller that it was pre 2014 afterwards? Will it have been worth it, in your opinion?
>>546242243That a man was arrested in the Czech Republic for displaying communist symbols.
>>546242316>That a man was arrested in the Czech Republic for displaying communist symbols.which communist symbols exactly?
>>546242333wagner imagery
>>546242160>WHATABOUTWHATABOUTWHATABOUTThanks for admitting that you have no counterarguments, shill>Who spent 8 years (as Merkel admitted) lying to Russia so they could win time for Ukraine to re-arm?That's a German lie to save face lol
>>546242353>wagner imagerywhat is communist about wagner?Does wagner have an economic policy or socialist manifesto?Or you just randomly label anything you want as "communist" for fun?
>>546242314>How do you see this ending?Russia will fold once their economic and demographic problems get too untenable. As for the land question, I don't know, Russia might get Donbass, but they will never get Kherson, which means they will have to change their constitution again.
So are people in Ukraine just living without heat and power or what?
>>546242427If you are a a private military funded by a communist state that does bidding for the communist state, you are a communist.
>>546242377>WHATABOUTWHATABOUTWHATABOUT>Thanks for admitting that you have no counterarguments, shillI literally gave you an argument. You can look it up if you don't believe me.Your government is complicit in starting this entire shitfest.>That's a German lie to save face lolmaybe if your guys would lie less there would be no war right now
>>546242477>If you are a a private military funded by a communist state that does bidding for the communist state, you are a communist.ok can you explain to me what exactly is communist about the Russian Federation?Give me a list of things.
>>546237824Because it is a proxy war for China vs Europe.And China is losing absolutely no resources over it.Everyone is trying to avoid realizing this because then it would be admitting that China has the ability to turn Europe's bogeyman into a proxy servant while Europe barely has the capacity to fuel and feed their proxy of Ukraine.Not only that, but they'd have to admit that Europe's recent pro-china anti-america bent is literally feeding into the people trying to smash them down.Europe is becoming a Chinese client state to deal with the cost of the war they're waging against a Chinese client state.
>>546242434So you have resigned yourself totally to having lost The crimea now?
Because everything russia manages turns to shit. There is not a single project in russian history that hasn't been a massive fuckup.
>>546242541>So you have resigned yourself totally to having lost The crimea now?he will win by calling Crimea communist
>>546242493>Your government is complicit in starting this entire shitfest.Yeah cool, but this has nothing to do with Russia being worse off having started this war
>>546242622No i am actually asking you in good faith. Im just some cunt on 4chan I win nothing lad.Im seriously wondering have The ukraine given up totally on ever occupying The crimea now?
>>546242517Have you lived under the rock in the last few years? Their army flies the Soviet flag regularly, they keep nationalizing private companies by force, their leaders are rich jews while the common Russian is just a poor fucker without a working toilet, the people have no rights and cannot protest, the state is completely pegged into all of its citizens messages, they jail people for speaking up against the state, they keep constantly affirming how they are the most anti-nazi country on Earth and the jewish leader has a boner for communism.
>>546242623>Yeah cool, but this has nothing to do with Russia being worse off having started this warfirst of all, Russia didn't start the war.These little guys with green armbands shooting at random civilian buildings in Donbass and laughing while it it weren't exactly Russian. They were your lapdogs on your payroll.Second of all, Russia's security doctrine is not opportunistic despite how many times you would pretend it is. If Russia goes to war, it is to ensure 100 years of national security needs, because that's how Russia's war doctrine has been established since the 1500s
>>546242541Crimea was lost in 2014 when Russia illegaly invaded and occupied it, yes. The land Ukraine gets solely depends on how much Russia is going to crash. It can go many ways. Russia can get Chechen boogaloo 3, it can also keep Donbass. So far it looks like they are going to get the boogaloo.
>>546242748now enough about France.I wanted to hear about Russia.
>>546242819Interesting deflection. Thanks for consneeding.
>>546242808I find it hillarious that you think Russia will crash or will get any kind of boogaloos
>>546242861not really that interesting.I'm still waiting for evidence of communist manifesto in Russia.Nothing from what you wrote has any indication of communism, because 80% of that shit is happening all over EU right now
>>546237824Primitive Soviet era military doctrine, autocracies statistically lose far more often.
>>546242789Interestingly manipulated video in a interestingly cropped twitter slop
>>546242808Ok well, only few years ago it was >not an inch>crimea belongs to The ukraine So why do you think the other territories will be any different?
>>546242904>because 80% of that shit is happening all over EU right nowCan I see EU forcefully nationalizing privately owned businesses?
>>546242953>So why do you think the other territories will be any different?Because Russia has no military prospects of getting them. Russia took Crimea whole. Russia can't take Kherson.
>>546242789>If Russia goes to war, it is to ensure 100 years of national security needsWhich is laughable because, like I said, Russia is worse off having started this war by every possible metric.
>>546238110Retard, it's not middle age or renaissance with decade long wars between big countries. Sure there are many perpetual civil wars but that's not the same. russia-ukraine war is the biggest and most destructive wars of modernity. The USA had military operations but in this SVO Russia takes giant hits as well. There are dozens of supporters from both sides behind Russia and Ukraine and the fact that NAMBA DVA IN ZE WORLD is stuck in Donbass for 5 years is astonishing. Either it's retarded government of Russia or this war is a deliberate meat grinder with the purpose of killing as many slavs as they can. Because logically this is impossible for everything being this bad, the moment Ukraine gains the upper hand it gets sabotaged by Zion Musk and the USA to maintain balance to not let either side win. Russia from the contrary doesn't need to prolong this war but it does and it makes economical situation there only worse with each day, every day for Russia in the war is missed economic gains and waste on the war that's why logically Russia must prioritise throwing ALL forces to Ukraine to finish it off but Pynia doesn't do that, he's playing with those peace talks to undermine peace treaty which puts him in position of traitor and his actions are treasonous.>Being in military conflict in one region longer than the entire WW2 campaignThis is a disaster and humiliation of ruasia
>>546242933>Interestingly manipulated video in a interestingly cropped twitter slopthe problem is that it's not manipulated, its a pretty old video that first appeared in 2015but 2015 was a year of communism for the internet, so most likely you will arrest it
>>546242996....remind me again who currently controls the vast majority donbass and has done for 4 years
>>546238284this was not supposed to be a 1700 day operation to cut ukraine population in half
>>54624307012 years actually. Russia has been controlling 30% of Donbass for 12 years. Then they took another 30% in a single month after a suckerpunch invasion which they lied about. Then in the next 4 years, they took uuuuh 10% of Donbass and in the last 2 months they lost 3%. Conquering all of Donbass would mean 3 million casualities. At that point you have to ask if it is worth it or not. I am not even talking about Donbass by the way, you are. I am talking about Kherson, which Russia will never get, because it is over a river.
>>546242585Who ranks second in arms exports?
>>546237824They didn’t ask for consent
Russia is gonna keep twisting Ukraine's arms until it is agreed upon that Ukraine will not join NATO.
>>546243197France
>>546239806Oh OK then, we must wait another 16 years for Russia to win... against the country of plains and steppe, pure delusion
>>546237931Which war objectives have been achieved?
>>546242961>Can I see EU forcefully nationalizing privately owned businesses?this has nothing to do with communism, and you don't get arrested in Czech Republic for proposing the idea of nationalising some business.But here you go some examples:> France | EDF | 2023 | 100%> France | Bull | 2026 | 100%> Poland | PKP Energetyka | 2023 | 100%> Czech Republic | RWE Gas Storage CZ | 2023 | 100%> Czech Republic | NET4GAS | 2023 | 100%> Germany | Uniper | 2022 | 99.12%> Denmark | Copenhagen Airports | 2025 | 98.6%> Slovenia | Sava | 2022 | ~90%> Italy | Telecom Italia (TIM) | 2026 | 86.952%> France | Alcatel Submarine Networks | 2024 | 80%> Hungary | Budapest Airport | 2024 | 80%> Romania | Blue Air | 2022 | 75%> Czech Republic | GasNet | 2024 | 55.21%> Spain | Sareb | 2022 | 50.14%
>>546243338None, but since Jewtin keeps changing the objectives every year, they might change them so much until they have been ultimately acheived.
Between Russia losing all its young men, and china having a surplus of men because of the one child policy, expect to see lots of Chinese men come to Russia to impregnate the women. This pisses me off because those Russian girls should be fleeing to the u.s. so I can impregnate them.
>>546243302>pure delusionthe pure delusion is you calling Ukraine a count of plains and steppe. The thing was explictly designed as an industrial powerhouse by the Soviets, with factories built to withstand nuclear warfare. As well as a spearhead against NATO in case the Cold War would go Hot
>>546243341National companies being bought or being national has nothing to do with nationalizing private businesses. Russian state literally takes companies from their owners under the threat of prison. Those are two vastly different things. Are you retarded by any chance?
>>546238573>unironically employing "NO U" in current yearyou (have continually) lost tranny
>>546243338>Which war objectives have been achieved?Ensuring Ukraine is not in NATO, and has a permanently broken army.>>546243369>Nonehe wasn't talking to you, timmy
>>546242997Why did NATO weapons fail so badly in Ukraine?
>>546243388You don't want Russian women, trust me.
Niggers
>>546243234Or Russia?
>>546243459>Ensuring Ukraine is not in NATO, and has a permanently broken army.Good job on enlarging that "broken" army then you fucking idiots. Those aren't even the objectives by the way.
>>546243341PKP Energetyka was bought out, not forcefully nationalized. I assume the rest of your list is just as bullshit.
>>546243488Russia is 5th after US, France, Germany and Italy.
>>546243479Russia won, trannies, get over it
>>546243197Not Russia
>>546243522CAWAT placed Russia second with approximately $15 billion in exports
>>546243460They sure did their job killing ziggers, which they wouldn't have if you didn't start the war lol
>>546243547Bro you won absolutely fuckall. Sure, you can pretend you won, but it doesn't change the reality, just like trannies can pretend to be women even though they aren't one.
>>546243187So you now conceed the donbass aswell.I'll tell you now, and screencap this, it ends when both sides get to walk away and claim victory equally.The ukraine will get entry into NATORussia will get the territory. And if The ukraine wants entry to Europe it can not have any contested borders as that is a founding principle of the union. They will if they want eu membership have to drop any claims to Russian occupied territory. /war
>>546243587You mean that "An independent research organization established in Moscow" has inflated your numbers to make you look more mighty than you actually are? No way.
>>546243471Why not?
>>546243554Have the Europeans built up enough icebreakers? Russia has over 40 of them, so how many does the EU have?
>>546243442you lost this argument, sorrythe most hillarious part is that you start larping that the guy in Czechia got arrested for wearing a communist symbol.When proven wrong, you shifted to "le nationalisation of commpanies is the symbol of Wagner" which is such a mental gymnastics jump, you should compete in the mental olympics
>>546243444>you (have continually) lost trannymirroring is a common tactic in debates, when your opponent acts like an obnoxious idiot
>>546243624Sure, if Ukraine gains entry to NATO, then Russia can keep the territories. Nobody cares about the territory. The only problem is that Russia is too retarded to allow Ukraine entry to NATO, which means that the situation in Russia will deteriorate like it has been doing for years now. The longer Russia is in this war, the worse outcome for them will it be. If Russia lets Ukraine into NATO with Russia taking what they currently have, then it is a deal. If Russia keeps making retarded demands like "give us Kherson" and don't get into NATO", then the war will continue and then Russia won't get the territory they currently have.
>>546243505>Good job on enlarging that "broken" army then you fucking idiots. Those aren't even the objectives by the way.EU enlarged it, Russia is making it go extinct
>>546243632According to SIPRI, Russia also consistently ranked second in the world
>>546243710Nice strawman, but as I said here >>546243605, pretending you won doesn't change the reality. Pretending that buying companies is the same as stealing them is a stretch and you have simply lost the argument when you tried arguing it in the first place. But sure, you can say that you are a woman, but don't make me pretend that you are one.
>>546243758This is the offer currently on the table lad.Russia gets donbass, the ukraine gets into NATO.That is the question jewlinski is currently 'bringing to his population' and is the subject of next week's talks.
>>546243832I ask you again, was the guy in Czechia arrested for nationalising a company?
>>546243822Not anymore. Once it turned out your shit sucked ass and is only a vaporwave, others took over. Your vehicles? Useless. Tanks? You already ran out of them. Missiles? Subpar. Guns? Well you got the AK, that's probably 90% of your current export.
>>546243858>This is the offer currently on the table lad.>Russia gets donbass, the ukraine gets into NATO.Which Russia won't take. And again, I have never talked about Donbass. I am talking about Kherson.
>>546243858>This is the offer currently on the table lad.>Russia gets donbass, the ukraine gets into NATO.max Ukraine can get is EUNATO isn't even on the table, because Russia's offer is for Ukraine to stay out of mutual Eurpean security policies
TZD
>>546243686>muh icesleds ok whatever ivan
>>546243868He was arrested for displaying communist symbols in public. Private military company of a communist state is still a communist symbol.
>>546243459>Ensuring Ukraine is not in NATO, and has a permanently broken army.I notice you don't have an acceptable cost listed here. Are you suggesting that if 99% of Russia was dead, but Ukraine had no army and wasn't in Nato, Russia would be "winning"?I could actually give a shit about this war but what is it with asiatics thinking how much of your own house you're willing to burn down for no gain is a mark of strength.
>>546243937>He was arrested for displaying Private military company symbolare private companies illegal in the Czech Republic?
>>546243933Funniest shit is Russia has built 0 new big icebreakers and delayed every single icebreaker project in the last 4 years, because they can't get parts to build them and Russia doesn't make those parts, because their industry is fucked.
>>546243877The Russian defense industry has shifted to a wartime footing. Ammunition production and equipment repair have increased, which makes it possible to sustain the army even if export deliveries are suffering.
>>546244021>I notice you don't have an acceptable cost listed here. Are you suggesting that if 99% of Russia was dead, but Ukraine had no army and wasn't in Nato, Russia would be "winning"?the problem with your argument is that 99% of Russia isn't dead.But 50% of the Ukrainian population left Ukraine.
>>546243896Russia have already agreed to it in principle though. 2 more weeks unironically. Also>the longer this continues the worse it is for RussiaThat works both ways>>546243909If they want EU membership they lose even more terrority though and have to drop all claims to any contested boarders, I dont see that happening.
>>546244055If they serve a communist state, then yes, their symbols are symbols of communism.
>>546244084Ah the "but I did have breakfast this morning" defense.
>>546244065and the hypersonic missiles hitting Kyiv are literally just very fast washing machines, with paper wings attached
>>546244068Well yeah, you are in a full blown wartime economy at this point. Getting worse every year too.
>>546244093>If they serve a communist statebut they don't? Find me a single political academic that would put his reputation on the line to claim that Russia is a communist state.
>>546244065If industry is 'in a sorry state,' where does the capacity come from to build RITM-400 reactors, hulls, and nuclear fuel for the Leader? The Yakutia has been commissioned, the Chukotka is being completed, and the Leningrad and Stalingrad have been laid down.
>>546244120You mean Oreshnik? Has it ever hit anything? No? Wow.
>>546244151Yes, state that forcefully nationalizes private businesses under threats of jailtime is a communist state.
>>546244111>Ah the "but I did have breakfast this morning" defense.the fuck are you on aboutyour outlandish example about 99% of russia dying was a hyperbole because you genuinely can't reconsile the fact that less than 1% of the Russian population actually has any involvement in the war, while Ukraine lost half of its population, and is projected to need multiple trillions of $ to rebuild
>>546244154How are those aircraft carriers coming along?
>>546244136The Russian economy is stable in the short term. The public sector is sufficiently stable to continue the war.
>>546244161>You mean Oreshnik? Has it ever hit anything? No? Wow.what do you mean? It consistent hits factories.And I was talking about hypersonic missiles. Like Kinzhal
>>546244154So you already moved on from the icebreakers which you have build 0 in the last 4 years? So now the goalpost moved to nuclear reactors? Something everybody can do too? Impressive.
>>546244191>Yes, state that forcefully nationalizes private businesses under threats of jailtime is a communist state.that's what you decided, or did your government tell you that?
>>546244224If the thesis were literally true, these events would not exist. Russia has over 40 of them, so how many does the EU have?
>>546244238>It consistent hits factories.It hit a neighbourhood 500m away from a factory, then it exploded over Russia, then it didn't launch, then it hit a field, then it hit a shed.>Like KinzhalRussia has temporarily suspended production of the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal since April 2026, meaning current monthly output is zero.
>>546244268Forcefully nationalizing companies is a central pillar of communism. You might want to go back to school, anon.
>>546244359so what you're saying is that you also get arrested for showing a Ukrainian flag in Czech Republic, right?Because...> Ukraine | Motor Sich | 2022 | Shares seized | Owner arrested for treason> Ukraine | Ukrnafta | 2022 | Private shares seized | Major shareholder later jailed pending trial> Ukraine | Ukrtatnafta | 2022 | Private shares seized | Major shareholder later jailed pending trial> Ukraine | AvtoKrAZ | 2022 | Shares seized | Owner detained in France on Ukrainian arrest request> Ukraine | Zaporizhtransformator | 2022 | Shares seized | No verified prison-related ultimatumIt is time you arrest Zelensky. The time has commeth, my fren.
>>546237824Because they are even more corrupt than Ukraine.
>>546244241>which you have build 0 in the last 4 yearsI literally listed the icebreakers.
>>546244333>Russia still has about 50 Kh-47M2 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missiles in its arsenal, despite pausing production of the munition in order to improve its accuracy, Ukraine's Military Intelligence (HUR) has claimed.ok so you're full of shit as usualeven your favorite heroes say the pause is due to redesign
>>546244398Oligarchs aiding against their state is a treason and under martial law, Ukraine has the ability to seize their businesses. Russia does it without any legal basis whatsoever. Ukraine isn't communist, Russia is. Try again. Or consneed like everytime.
>>546244469>ok so you're full of shit as usualI haven't said any lie. Where is the lie? Are you getting desperate?
>>546244486>Oligarchs aiding against their state is a treason and under martial law, Ukraine has the ability to seize their businesses. Russia does it without any legal basis whatsoever. Ukraine isn't communist, Russia is. Try again. Or consneed like everytime.When Ukraine does it, it's because of Marvel Heroes and Spiderman reasons.When Russia does it, it's because of Voldermort and Mordor reasons.I kind of get it now. Your brain is completely fried.
>>546244548Nice strawman. Let me actually repeat what I actually said to dunk on you even more:When Ukraine does it, it has a legal basis, because of treason and martial law.When Russia does it, it has no legal basis, because Russian government operates as a mafia.
>>546244486Nah, the USSR economy was failing and even the commie's lost belief in communism by that time. It was a planned fall, and Poland was already agreed upon (Jaruzelski-Rockefeller NY meeting in 1985) to join the west, but Ukraine and Belarus were supposed to stay in Russia's sphere of influence.
Reminder that the #1 globalist lapdog in America, Lindsey Graham, died from the stress of forever losing Ukraine as the one and only strategic front to topple Russia.
>>546244333Like some pathetic 50 post faggot like you knows what missiles Russia is building
>>546237824They aren’t.They took the ground they currently hold in the first month of the war, which was always their stated objective: capturing land primarily inhabited by ethnic Russians to prevent further ethnic cleansing by the CIA-installed Zelensky government.They overextended when they tried to capture Kiev disastrously (in large part due to NATO pilots flying NATO fighter planes for the Zelensky government illegally, risking nuclear exchange, but whatever). Since then they have just held territory.If you believe the front wobbling around 3 km a year is a gigantic loss you’re a coping nafo tranny or incapable of taking the long view on any of this shit.
>>546244622You don't have a sphere of influence anymore. You squandered it when you decided to stay a shithole instead of improving. Sure, you can stay a shithole instead of improving, but don't force the same on others around you.
>>546244511>I haven't said any lieyou said plenty, starting with the claim that a private company patch violated a "symbol of communism" law in CzechiaWhat about Russian flags flown by embasies in Czechia? Isn't that also illegal because of communism?
>>546244672Wow you are mad
>>546244290How many does the EU need? Russia is the only country with that much ice and icebound portsThe question was never about icebreakers anyway, you asked about arms exports.
>>546238432Putin is going to help out Iran and Communist China and it will hurt the U.S. bad.
>>546244611let me dunk on you even harder:>When Ukraine does it, it is as illegal as kidnapping men from the street under the orders of an unelected president>When Russia does it, it is legal, and Russia's government never skips elections
>>546244706>starting with the claim that a private company patch violated a "symbol of communism" law in CzechiaPrivate military company of a communist state is communist, yes.>What about Russian flags flown by embasies in Czechia? Isn't that also illegal because of communism?Do you seriously not know how embassies work? Are you even old enough to be here? Embassies are protected by special international laws that grant them inviolability.
>>546244702All my country does is scare 3rd world people, but largely they're still catching up in technology and are slated to remove western influences soon in the scheme of time. Iran won.
>>546244702What's there to be surprised about? In Ukraine, the people in power now are gangsters, traders, and sadists. The most common business there now is human trafficking, illegal organ transplantation, and drugs. And torture is just like that - they'll play with the soldiers a bit, then send them alive for organs and to the EU. This is real life; no wonder the kid has such a face - he saw torture and the forcible extraction of organs from a living person. Many people's psyches wouldn't hold up after seeing something like that.
>>546244804>Private military company of a communist state is communist, yes.you said yourself communism is anti-private enterprise, so your entire claim is an oxymoron. Next you're going to say something like "Capitalism is very communist">Do you seriously not know how embassies work? Are you even old enough to be here? Embassies are protected by special international laws that grant them inviolability.I know that the Russian flag is not a communist symbol and your government never claimed that it is.I also know that arresting that guy was illegal by itself.
>>546244757It's already is hurt bad and its nothing but a bunch of Mexican and Indian children and 80 year old whites with no grandchildren.
>>546244622Is that one of those NovoBigMacskis?
>>546244752The US and Canada need icebreakers and spend billions... but order them from Finland because they do not have their own industrial base. Russia builds its own. This is not “no competition” - it is an absence of competitors.
