>>546286781
>how Russia lost?
They're still subhuman slavs who'll never be white.

>>546286877
But they are 90% White

>>546286781
russians are subhuman and low IQ

>>546287070
>90% White
77% "white"

There is no case for a world war because
America accounts for 60% of the monetary value of fiat.
All the other fiat iou slips bridge their worth
to the American dollar.
America gets its value in its promise to attack
for the interest of the federal reserve which
is a private bank.

War has to be funded and so deals are made.

911 is the ritual of many satanists.
It is the star of remphan or the philosopher's stone.
That is to dissolve the twin towers + wtc7
and rebuild a single tower in their stead.
The idea is that each tower represents a human being.
In that the twin towers represent male and female
And the small tower represents the child.

This is love and faith.
Because we ate the fruit of knowledge.
And because we arent perfect to prevent ourselves
from interacting with the curse of death
we are victim to death even spiritual stagnation.

So God gave us a way to continue existing;
That is through child birth.
However the star of remphan or the philosopher's stone is the idea of masturbation.
To merge the opposites and try to become
like a god in the flesh.
Getting rid of the need for a child and faith.
It is pride as pride is tool use and masturbation.
Taking tools to sexual reproduction is homosexuality.
All that is left is this ideology and perversion.
Its the bell curve. The majority have no idea and masturbate for the sake of perversion
However the idea is driven at the top by the devil
and his children(John 8, Rev 3:9, Acts 7:43, Gen 3:15, Daniel 7:25) by the lust of
the corruption of the soul in the philosopher's stone.
However man cant produce.
He needs more than bread he needs
wisdom, and he needs both because at the
fundamental scale he can produce neither
We can take from the resources but there is always energy loss
Thats what the heat laws describe

They commit to a ritual around 911 periodically and last year
They set up a ritual killing of white people
in Charlie Kirk and Irina.
Irina represents the Slavic countries that are already under attack.
And Charlie represents the Americans.

On their economist 2026 map they(if you follow the money trail)
insinuate a war between America and adversaries.
Truthfully ww3 cant exist as it is in the interest of the federal reserve.
The modern israel was bought in the haavara agreement just preceding ww2
And it was officially recognized in 1948.
It was that ww2 served to instate israel
And ww3 is the notion to expand its power
Using america which is a vassal state for nu israel.
As you can see in the blue print for and in the streets of washington dc
At capitol hill is an owl on top of a pyramid
with the star of remphan above its head
and an upside down cross inside of the pyramid.

They said
>the star(of remphan) will gorge itself on clay when the weather cools.

However it is enough to place truth in the high places
to dissuade evil.

>>546286781
>so far
It ain't over yet, as far as it goes they tried to take over the country and install a puppet dictator, failing that they tried to annex Kherson, failing that they're trying to hold onto what they've got and try make some deal so they don't have to keep shoving men into the problem. All the while their economy gradually gets worst over time.
>but so is Ukraine
Yea no doubt but being the bully who can't win a fight looks worst. Also the bigger they are the harder they fall.

>>546286781
>>>/g/108652062
>>>/r9k/85949244

If this shitshow is winning I'd hate to see what losing looks like

>>546287282
They have been in Crimea for more than 10 years.

>>546286781
>how Russia lost?
Last time I checked Russia still occupied Ukraine and not the other way around.

>>546287485
Losing is their army gets completely ousted from Crimea and Donbas and Ukraine regains control of those zones.

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>>546287560
That's like making a thread about Spain losing because we control Gibraltar. I can smell the Russian cum on your breath from here though so it's ok TZD

>>546287690
Actually yeah, Spain failed to get control of Gibraltar.

>>546286781
They are losing ground for a year now.

>>546286781
1) Be Russia
2) Give away your territory and your russian citizens to Ukraine, believing your empire will last forever
3) Destroy your empire because you’d rather produce weapons than consumer goods
4) Sacrifice 1.6 million soldiers - 500,000 of them dead - to recapture your completely bombed-out territory, which is now home to millions of alcohol-dependent retirees
5) Celebrate the fact that you defeated NATO, which took everything else from your former empire with zero casualties

total victory

>>546287142
Outdated, they are 72% white now. Worse than western Europe.

>>546287690
I can smell the shit of your breath, private patel. How's the GCHQ Sunday shift going saar?

>>546287856
That's like saying the UK lost WWII because it was forced to give up its colonies

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>>546287792
Yea but no one cares. If you want to discuss current war where it's more or less a stalemate except Russia is losing more men by attacking whilst their economy consistently gets worst every year then I'd call that losing or if you want because you like Russian cum a pyrrhic victory for Russia in gaining a few more destroyed cities in eastern Ukraine.
>>546287911
Whiter than you mehmet

>>546287488
Thanks Obama

>>546287488
only part of the strategy I'm not understanding, Shouldnt Ukraine just bombing the shit out of Russians there and fully take control?

>>546287911
He's likely a gay Ukrainian refugee in London living on government money or someone from the Army.

>>546287945
Ok, post hand with date.

You won't :)

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>>546287926
No that would be like trying to retake those territories, bankrupting ourselves doing it, getting slaughtered whilst doing it but tapping ourselves on the back because we captured Somalia or some shit lmao

>>546288047
You first mehmet you're the one asking.

>>546286781
Because they wanted to win in Ukraine you fucking retard. You by default haven't won if you haven't debellated the enemy or signed a peace treaty.

>>546286781
>Lose half a million working age men (in a nation with worse demographics than fucking japan)
>lose like 100 billion dollars in lost oil profit
>lose half ur airforce
>lose syria
>lose wagner
>lose great power status
>lose most important trade partners
>lose 90% of your modern armored vehicles
> gain (?) some bombed out shitholes in the donbass

Gee Bill idk seems like a real win to me, 100% worth it

>>546288082
>N-NO YOU FIRST!!!!
Yeah, we know.
You're brown, private patel. Enjoy going 30pbtid+ again like every thread your handler assigns you too saar!

>>546288211
>calls me brown
>expects pictures off of me
>is afraid to post his picture
fuck off mehmet lmao

>>546288241
See>>546288211

>>546287926
Oh, you uneducated bong.
The Donbass, all the way to Odessa and the Crimea, have been Russian for centuries.
The only reason that changed was because the Slavs fled eastward to escape the Wehrmacht. Before Operation Barbarossa, every southern city in what is now Ukraine was Russian, with up to 90% of the population being of Russian ethnicity.
The Ukrainians fled southeast to the cities, and the Russians fled further inland into what is now Russia. The Crimea and the Donbas are still ethnically Russian today.

>>546288304
see>>546288241
mehmet lmao

>>546287319
Wtf that's pathetic

>>546288054
But none of this has happened yet. The Russian Army still occupies Ukraine and the Russian economy hasn't imploded.
>>546288135
Isn't the war still going on?

>>546287945
>losing more men by attacking whilst their economy consistently gets worst every year
Wrong for both nigel

>>546288160
Lmao imagine being tarded enough to believe this let alone write it up...
You from k?

>>546287070
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

>>546288331
See>>546288211

>>546287560
If thats losing, then wouldnt winning be the complete occupation and subjugation of Ukraine?

With your reasoning, neither Ukraine nor Russia are winning (or losing) atm.

>>546288366
>and the Russian economy hasn't imploded.
Who said it would implode, if we wanted to implode their economy we would cut off all trade but that's not how politics works. That's like starting a war then going straight to nukes, you can't escalate off of that.
>>546288369
If i wanted a diaspora russians opinion I'd ask you for it.

>>546286781
They had both Crimea and Donbass before the 2022 via their hybrid war. They became too greedy and wanted to take the whole of Ukraine and failed miserably. Thats how.

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>>546286877
>>546287070
>>546287142

>>546288489
>With your reasoning, neither Ukraine nor Russia are winning (or losing) atm.
Yes that's correct

>>546288523
So they failed to take the whole of Ukraine but for the rest they are winning?

i'll show you.

>2021
- Russian is the 2nd most powerful military in the world - capable of destroying most countries in the world if it decides to.
- Has a strong MIC which exports to lots of countries as its gear is seen as a cheaper alternative to the wests, but still on par with it.
>2022
- invades its literal neighbour who is 1/4 of the size and a totally corrupt backwater in an operation it expects to last a week or so at most
>2026
- its captured less than 1/3 of that country with hundred of thousands dead and a million or so wounded
- its modern gear is outed as trash compared to 1980's wests gear that has been upgraded
- sanctioned to shit
- economy in the bin
- still using meat wave tactics (though this seems to be happening less, but it is still happening)

now, it has not LOST the war YET, but it has lost on the world stage against someone we all expected it to walk over and its frankly embarrassing.

>>546288892
inb4 russian dick suckers will just
>but they still got some land so they aren't losing

>>546288810
Fair enough, and any reasonable person would also conclude this. The war is just a pointless grind at this stage. Russia is slowly gaining ground but its not exactly compensating for the amount of human, material and economic loss after so many years. This goes for Ukraine+NATO as well. This war is a double-suicide, pure insanity that it even gets to continue.

>>546288892
>we all expected
Who expected what? That's like saying we all expected Iran to capitulate in a month.
Everything else sounds like cope because as I said: they are still there and you are not kicking them out.

>>546289111
you think the 3 day SMO thing was something ukraine/the west came up with?
there is video of them bragging they could take BERLIN in 3 days if they wanted (this was pre 2022 obviously)
you're just a contrarian coping.

>>546286781
They haven't achieved their goals and have spent far too much time and resources in what was supposed to have been a walkover. If you don't count their nuclear arsenal they've shown themselves to be a paper tiger.

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>>546289111
Ok but how and when will capturing these territories balance all the financial and human losses Russia suffered to capture them? That's the real question.

>>546289198
Ok and? You understand what military defeats actually looks like in reality? Getting pushed back from the land they have occupied.

>>546288873
Sacrificing millions of your own compatriots, your economy, geopolitical standing and future prospects for a few relativeky small pieces of land (which will inevitably go back to Ukraine after Russia collapses again) can be hardly considered a victory.
Chinx will annex the whole Taiwan without a single shot, any damage or sanctions, because they are smart, unlike rusniggers.

>>546289258
>balance all the financial and human losses
This is not what makes or breaks a military victory. That's like saying the Soviet Union lost WWII because 27 million died while Germany only Lost 1/10th of that.

>>546288892
This embarrassment cope narrative is retarded. Global politics and history do not care about "embarrassment". Ukraine will be a failed state by the end of the war, regardless of how much they embarrass Russia. Finland embarrassed the USSR plenty in the Winter War, but go read how the government felt in 1943 how much that embarrassment was relevant to them. It's literally only a nafo internet argument for retards that didn't know Russia was corrupt and backward prior to the war (or pretend they didn't) and that Russia is literally being forced into competence and currently has an army far more integrated and experienced with modern warfare. The US (the only NATO army even worth talking about) still does not have a coherent anti drone doctrine for any part of its ground forces. Our tactics are equally as backward as Russia. Meat waves is some dumbshit spouted by the usual suspects of NAFO retarders btw, there's never been a single recorded or properly documented "meat wave" and none of you retards could even explain what makes something a meat wave.

The US was embarrassed by Iran. Does that make a difference to the strength or weakness of the US or Iran? No.

>>546289312
If they manage to annex Donbas and Crimea that's a victory. If you BTFO them out that's a loss. Everything else is cope.

>>546289302
kek cope harder loser.
as i said earlier, they haven't lost or won the war yet. but they've "lost" regardless.
they're now on the same level as north korea, just a backwards shit hole with nukes, where as before they were a respected military power. they're not even inside the top militaries in the world anymore. number 2 to outside the top 10 due to your own retardation.

>>546289367
and which country was doing better 50 years later? germany or the ussr?

>>546289461
You know that nobody cares about optics and statistics and kpop polls right? If they get Crimea and Donbas they won. If they get kicked out they lost. Simple.

>>546286781
I don't think Russia lost, but they didn't exactly win. Kind of like Trump's Iran war fuck up. The US cannot realistically lose the war in any conventional sense, but you can still be a complete miserable retard that has created extremely negative knock-on effects in the coming decade(s) that would not have happened if you just kept your powder dry and didn't show your gaped asshole to the entire world for no reason. Niggers love scoring pyrrhic victories and then wondering why their country is so much worse off.

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>>546286781
>how Russia lost?
The war was started because the Ukies cut the water to the Crimea canal. This was costing Putin 1.5B a year in water transports.

The entire war was designed to go down the donbass and turn on the water to Crimea, they got there but the ukies blew up the water source and it is going to take years for water to get to crimea again.

>>546289561
yep, you're right. as sharp a mind as putin himself. russia is #1. you should move there since its so great.

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>>546289367
>This is not what makes or breaks a military victory
Indeed. There is, however, a difference between tactical and strategic victory.

For the price of millions of deaths Russia became 2nd most powerful country in the world for the next few decades. For the price of hundreds of thousands of deaths, infrastructural damage, sanctions and losing precious resource markets in the west Russia bought itself Mariupol, land bridge to Crimea and some Donbas clay, inhabited mostly by old people and crippled vets ATM. The question remains: was it really worth it?

>>546289523
Why does it even matter? The Soviet Union won WWII regardless of what happened 50 years later, which was not even related to the war itself.

>>546289561
>this retard thinks spending $1000.00 at the casino but winning $5.00 means he came out on top.
you're the prince from black adder.

>>546286781
Ukrainian propaganda strategy
>russia breaks half of your bones
>claim russia's objective was breaking your entire skeleton, so they didn't actually win
>declare victory

>>546289722
Except for the part where you tried landing soldiers directly into the capitol. Lurk more nufag.

>>546289791
So that operation failed ok. How does it even matter to the bigger picture?

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>>546289424
At least try to pretend youre talking in a good faith, rutranny. Germany lost WW1 despite having massive territorial gains.

>>546289823
Go suck a cock Russian Nigger. Get some (You's) elsewhere.

>>546289715
More like they walked into the casino with 1000, won 10.000 and lost 2000 so they are left out with 8.000

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>>546286781
Well you see pidors think what by killing 100k Russian with full NATO support they won while losing only two millions of pidors in return. Its how cockroaches behave eating a corpse of a human what died dusting them into the ground - no matter how many of them died a single white man dead is justifying their endless meat waves and gay rapes. Inferiority complex turned to the max - to all these butthurtbelters a Russia is a white master while they are themselves nothing but dirt under his feet and any amount of damage done is justifies their own suffering. If you don't whip them at the slightest misbehaving they immediately go apeshit, this is just how these slave bred animals bred to behave, not their fault they just not humans or sentient to realize it.

>>546289832
Ok and how has Russia lost this war? They are still occupying Ukraine and their economy doesn't seem to be blowing up. Nor they are forcing Russia to sign any Versailles treaty.
I asked for facts not "they have been embarrassed on the global stage"

>>546289791
>reminder that their paratroopers landed with their ceremonial gear in their bags because thats how easy they thought it was going to be

>>546289950
>>546289905
See >>546289678

>>546289954
Ok that operation failed. Why don't you just kick them out of Donbas? What's what a victory looks like for Ukraine.

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>>546289905
>they're ethnic russians!
>they're pidors who need to be whipped
Is that why Russians beat their own men so hard because they're equally enemy and friend?

>>546286781
Their purpose of the war was to crub NATO's influence. Instead they got more NATO nations on their border, are diplomatically isolated from any western nations, relatively closed off from their markets, and despite their friendly relations with China they are even mocked by Chinese people. Not to mention they lost other small allies like Armenia who they failed to protect, and Syria who was overthrown while they were distracted.
Their only """allies""" now are Iran, and North Korea. They lost strategically even if the war is still going on. Even a 'win' is a long term loss at this point. Hell, they even managed to breath new life into NATO all despite Trump's attempts to kill it.

>>546289791
>>546289954
when are hohols landing on moscow?

>>546290016
They don't need to.

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>>546290016
Lurk more and you might be able to reply with a decent sentence.

>>546290016
whenever NATO decides to.

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>>546286781
>hundreds of thousands of Russians dead
>Finland and Sweden in NATO
>trade and relations with Europe destroyed for generations
>Russia is effectively China's vassal now
>all to get some worthless towns and villages in Donbas
Explain how this is anything but a catastrophe for Russia.

PS Ukraine is fucked beyond salvation too.

>>546290008
This sounds like cope because their economy is still not crumbling and the army is still occupying Ukraine. Every nation that won a war made sacrifices. The UK won WWII but also lost a lot.

jews think if they lie enough times russia will collapse

>>546290114
>PS Ukraine is fucked beyond salvation too.
Not at all true if they manage to become a EU member after this shitshow ends (Russians don't officially oppose this, they only don't want them to join NATO)

>>546286781
>How did Russia lose?
THEY DONT EVEN HAVE GAY MARRIAGE IN RUSSIA!!!
THEY DONT EVEN ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN OLYMPICS OR WORLD CUP OR THE LAST ICE PUCK TOURNEY!!
ELTON JOHN WONT EVEN PLAY CONCERTS IN RUSSIA!!!!

>>546286781
In short, they lost because of corruption. Because everyone is afraid of Putin, they are afraid to tell him the truth (that the money that they suppose to be investing into their army was taken by some general or some other higher up), so Putin sends his army thinking that their are good trained and equipped, where in reality their equipment was not renewed and is still shit their used in the USSR. Plus the higher ups that command the armies dont really care about winning lol.

>>546289983
> second most powerful country in the world
This is legendary cope

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>>546286781
>how
hello?
that is what communism does best
kill its own supporters

>>546289950
I already told you, retard. They had everything before the 2022, then they lost 1.5 mil. rusniggers, lost Syria, lost Armenia, lost any perspectives to get the rest of Ukraine, recieved sanctions, barely survived a military coup, got NATO enlargement and worsening economy.
>b-but we got even more land
No one cares about it, i already told you why.

>>546290165
Maybe, we'll see. First this retarded war has to end.

>>546290266
Lost what exactly? They are still occupying Ukraine

>>546290276
Well they objectively were that until the fall of USSR.

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>>546287856

Goymany, yes! Slava!

>>546290295
>They had everything before the 2022
Everything what? This whole shitshow is about Russian security concerns from 2014.

the only way russia can win now is if somehow magically ALL OF THESE conditions will happen:
>gets to keep conquered territory de facto (most realistic)
>gets sanctions lifted (fairly unrealistic)
>gets business relationship with the west repaired (highly unlikely)
>prevents ukraine from joining nato and EU/being west aligned (literally impossible by now)

considering it'll realistically manage the first out of the entire list, it's over for russia. it collapses the nanosecond putin croaks or some sort of ceasefire or even peace treaty is signed.

>>546290314
Why do you keep avoiding my post, HIVan? >>546289678

>>546290314
They're still occupying 20% Ukraine and they've failed to move forward since 2022*

>>546290343
Ukraine joining EU means millions of Ukrainian immigrants in Western countries and I am not sure Western governments will manage to cope.

>>546290426
>kraine joining EU means millions of Ukrainian immigrants
oh no, not the beautiful ukrainian women!!
also bong, they're already here. nothing happened except me having lots of sex.

>>546290382
And you have failed to kick them out. So what?
>>546290356
Because it's the same cope unless Russian economy implodes and Ukraine joins NATO.

>>546290426
Not brown enough for London?

>>546287282
>a puppet dictator
Like the EU did with jewlinsky?

>>546290563
KEK

>>546286877
Does it matter? You hate Trump and voted for Democrats who make you kneel before non whites.

>>546287142
Does it matter? You hate Trump and wanted Americans to vote for Democrats who make you kneel before non whites.

>>546290137
>The UK won WWII...<< .lol lol lol..We won NOTHING...You must be a BRAIN WASHED RETARD who watches to much TV to be spouting such BULLSHIT..

We never won any world war 1 or 2,,it was all a STAGE SHOW to put OUR PEOPLE IN DEBT for the JEW BANKERS and the STOCK MARKET BETS plus the PUBLIC CONTRACTS they all got FILTHY RICH FROM..

War Is a Racket: Smedley Butler's Legendary 1933 Speech ...

7 Mar 2026 ... This video presents a narrated excerpt from the iconic 1933 speech, and subsequent pamphlet, "War Is a Racket" by Major General Smedley ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLgSgoj3cUc

YOU DIE FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO BE FILTHY RICH,,,A VERY GIMPY ACT TO DO,,YOUR NOT IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM A HERO..

YOU ARE A GIMP SOLDIER BOY TOSS POT..

>>546290523
>And you have failed to kick them out.
>you
Huh? I live in the most pro-Russia country in the EU.
>So what?
See >>546290114

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Funny how Russia is winning so hard Putin keeps trying to get a deal done.

>>546286781
Their refineries and other critical infrastructure is bombef daily. They lost half a million men, as in dead, with at least as many again maimed with need for llifetime care. But most importantly:
They failed to achieve their war goals.

>>546290341
Land. They had land. They had land before the 2022. Ukranian land. Russia doesnt have any security concerns that can be considered seriously, even mearshnigger acknowledges it.

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Russia did not lost thogh it is westoit pederasts who want case fire and le freez conflict. westoits want ''save'' the hohlostan or some part wich remain from them because collapse of hohlostan means fuck up for all westoid le world and natopidars specifically. westoid pederasts can not afford it literally. prohoholpidars will denial this but it's sad reality for them

>>546290523
>it's the same cope unless Russian economy implodes
Nigga that's exactly what I'm saying, Russia already lost more than they will ever gain from this war in terms of economy. Unless you can prove otherwise and convince me that they will turn things around and somehow benefit from capturing these lands instead of having to subside them for decades to come (like they've been doing with Crimea) and that these benefits will somehow outweigh all the losses they suffered and continue to suffer because of war?

>>546290673
So when are they leaving Donbas and Crimea?

>>546286781
>Crimea and Donbas
>Against Ukraine
>1.5 million russniggers dead
>45% only oil capacity left
>putin still gay
Kill putnigger

>>546290717
They didn't have Donbas and Crimea before 2014.
>>546290771
So you are saying that they lost because having to subsidize their new territories might cause their economy to implode in two more weeks?

>>546290800
When are they regime-changing Ukraine? Because that was Russia's stated war goal in 2022, not annexing some shithole cities in eastern Ukraine.

>>546286781
He should have invaded in 2014.
He knew there would be a coup in Kiev.
He had enough time to amass troops for an intervention.
Ukraine wasn't ready, could not have and would not have resisted.
Now he has to deal with this tiresome and costly mess of whittling down the AFU.
You can consider this an L if you want, even if in the end he gets what he wants.

>>546290800
When the offensive potential of Russia is exhausted. Given that Russia is no longer gaining ground this year, probably in early next year Crimea will become extremely difficult to keep hold of.
Crimea has more than a million Russians in it, which will be forced to leave for Russia and become internal refugees.

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>>546288546
>muh based ruzzia
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>546288546
saar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VICnmOFYscw

>>546288892
>>546288892
> an operation it expects to last a week or so at most
Where was claim ever made? No task of that magnitude takes a week or so. That’s absurd.

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>>546291014
Russia is based and trad, you stupid westoid!

>>546290887
Thats what i said. Before the 2022 Russia was winning. After the 2022 Russia is losing and i already told you why.

>>546290887
>So you are saying that they lost because having to subsidize their new territories might cause their economy to implode
I'm saying that if you start the war and suffer massive losses only to capture the territory that will be of no benefit to you, what's the point in starting the war in the first place?

Now do you get it? It's like buying a Crypto coin that's about to crash to zero while bankrupting your company and cutting ties with your most important trade partners. Congratulations on your "win" bozo.

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>>546287945
>Russia is losing more men

False
Ukraine has lost 1.7 million dead by 2025, probably around 2.5 million now

>>546291051
lmao

>>546290887
>ackchually war economies are super sustainable and shiet
kek, just like germany was on the best possible track during and shortly before ww2 because it was producing so much

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>>546291114

president Zlonsky will use negromancy and raise the fallen hohols

>>546290672
Putin keeps trying to get a deal done...Are you STUPID ?
Putin is not trying to get a deal done because he wants this war to carry on until he dead of old age you complete FOOL..
Putin make billions from his own peoples deaths just like the UK ROYALS and many UK MPs during WW1 and WW2...
How old are you ? You seem not old enough to know the REAL TRUTH of what the ffucks going on on this planet..

EVERYTHING IS A STAGE SHOW.,.YES PEOPLE DIE BUT OTHERS MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR DEATHS,,,THINK STOCK MARKETS BETS AND PUBLIC CONTRACTS MAKE SOME VERY RICH INDEED YET YOU PAY ALL THE DEBT FOR THIS BULLSHIT FAKE WARS AND FAKE PANDEMICS..

STOP WATCHING THE TV BECAUSE ITS PROPAGANDA THAT MAKES THE BRAINS RETARDED GIMPS OF LIFE..

>>546291068
Isn't the war about Russian security concerns and employing attrition to get what they want?

>>546291166
Russia's economy hasn't imploded and the army is still occupying Ukraine.

>>546291215
No. There were no security concerns because nobody wanted to invade a country with thousands of nukes, you stupid vodka nigger.

>>546289222
Who made this two more weeks style walkover claim. Russians don’t give a fuck about victory or triumphalism in western sense neither does the Russian mindset look at timescale the same way. It’s a completely different mindset that’s not based on the calendar or the clock or other delusions.

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>>546291114
>releases disinfo shortly after Ukraine actually hacked Russia showing their losses
Hmm general theme of that from Russia during this entire war. Like that time they tried showing dead Ukies on Snake Island only for people to show it was a Russian uniform kek

>>546286781
Ukraine will be cut in half along the river, at least, if you volunteer to guard the rest and take care of the Azov criminals and pay pensions for all ptsd terrorists.

>>546288892
>hundred of thousands dead and a million or so wounded
A small percentage of their population. Meanwhile Ukraine has been utterly devastated. It's embarrasing for Russia, but there's no way Ukraine can win. Even if the war stopped in the next hour, Ukraine would remain in demographic and economic ruin for decades.

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>>546286781
You ded

>>546291215
>Isn't the war about Russian security concerns
Is Russia more secure now that Sweden and Finland have joined NATO, and Ukrainie is more militarized and anti-Russian than ever before?

>>546291254
war economies famously implode after the war you brainlet

>>546291284
NATO has nukes, retard.

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>>546291323
>acting like Russia isn't also in full demographic collapse

>>546291389
And? MAD prevented war between NATO and the eastern bloc for 45 years.

>>546291386
Ok so Russia can keep Donbas and Crimea with other stuff about NATO going away but if they implode 5 years later they actually lost and Ukraine/NATO won. This is what you are saying?

>>546291386
just two weeks and russia goes bankrupt. Lada is already closing the factories.

>>546291323
>russia is fine there is no demographic ruin
>The Kremlin has designated boosting demographics a top national priority, pouring trillions of rubles into the national "Family" project through financial incentives, maternity capital, and family-oriented subsidies.
oh nonononono

>>546291404
>acting like Russia isn't also in full demographic collapse
No. I'm talking about the war. Russia's birth rate has been terrible for decades, war or no war.

>>546291457
>but if they implode 5 years later
there's no if, the second russia signs a treaty with ukraine joining nato and freezing the conflict it's over. the economy WILL implode because there's no need for the war machine.
the only scenario where that doesn't happen is a full russian victory, because you can offset the losses with the new revenue streams.

>>546291385
No, but Ukraine has always been a bigger security concern than Finland or Sweden for geographical, social and political reason. Also I guess NATO borders are part of the negotiation.

>>546291489
And guess what, having hundreds of thousands of dead Russians + however many have fled since 2022 is going to make it even worse. Congrats.

>>546291487
>>546291489
Russia's demographic problems aren't related to the war. Although it hasn't helped. Use your brain.

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>>546291290
>It’s a completely different mindset that’s not based on the calendar or the clock or other delusions.
Yes, Russia rejects such delusions of a white man.
Russia operates in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_time

>>546291536
>And guess what, having hundreds of thousands of dead Russians + however many have fled since 2022 is going to make it even worse. Congrats.
>humans breathe air

>>546291510
>the second russia signs a treaty with ukraine joining nato
Are you stupid or what? This is never going to happen. The whole point is no Ukraine in NATO.

>>546291547
Funnily enough it dropped around 2014 to current, what happened?

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>>546291547
>bring up Ukrainian demographics
>get countered with Russian demographics
>"Russia's demographic problems aren't related to the war. "

>>546291532
>No, but Ukraine has always been a bigger security concern
And that concern isn't going away, most Russia can achieve is capturing rest of Donbas, if they're lucky.

>NATO borders are part of the negotiation
In Putin's demented mind perhaps, lmao. Russia has no way to threaten the NATO members, if anything this war has only convinced them they made a right choice by joining.

>>546291487
Is there any country where low birthrate this isn't an issue aside from Bangladesh and Nigeria?

>>546291684
>it was going up
>it started going down again around 2014
but what happened bro

>>546291624
>This is never going to happen.
russia is not going agree to it*
it already happened, the war set ukraine on a forever anti russia course for at least half a century.
which is why russia is losing. please refer to >>546290343

>>546291668
Ok so this sounds like a stalemate. Russia has occupied Donbas and Crimea, Ukraine isn't kicking them out, Russian economy isn't imploding and their requests won't be accepted. So what?

>>546291684
Did any of those other countries start retarded wars that made their demographic problems worse?

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>>546291787
>So what?
TZD

>>546291767
Ukraine doesn't get to decide who is in NATO and who isn't. They can be anti Russia without joining NATO. They can develop their own nuke and drop it on Moscow.

>>546291654
>bring up Ukrainian demographics
I wonder why I brought this up given there is a war ongoing.
>get countered with Russian demographics
Which have been in decline since 1991.
>"Russia's demographic problems aren't related to the war. "
Obviously. It was declining before the war.
>>546291637
Peak population in 1991. Use your brain.

>>546291787
>Russian economy isn't imploding
Indeed, it is, however slowly bleeding and it will never fully recover to the state in which it was before the war started. Not in the next few decades, at least.

>>546291787
Crimea is functionally under siege. The water is gone because Russia bombed the dam from which the water was drawn, the supplies have to go over the occupied route which is attacked daily by Ukrainian drones. The bridge exists but can not transport fuel.
There is no reason for Ukraine to stop the pressure on Crimea.

>>546291814
Russia's birth rate situation isnt worse or better than other Western countries. And the fact that we are talking about this instead of how Ukraine can kick them out is pretty telling.

>>546291857
>Peak population in 1991
doesn't matter, it was going up then went down again around 2014/15 what happened?

>>546291851
>Ukraine doesn't get to decide who is in NATO and who isn't.
good thing russia does neither
>They can be anti Russia without joining NATO
russia doesn't want them to be. that's kinda the whole point of the war you fucking brainlet. once again, please refer to my original post and address it instead of talking about semantics

>>546286781
>Their army occupies Crimea and Donbas and nobody has managed to make them leave so far.
Even weeks after Hitler died, Nazi Germany still occupied Norway, Denmark, Czechoslovakia, Bosnia and the UK's channel Islands.

>>546291921
> it was going up then went down again around 2014/15 what happened?
It increased by over 2 million because they annexed Crimea. Use your brain.

>>546291908
>Indeed, it is,
See, many economies aren't doing well. A lot of Western economies haven't recovered post 2008. Economy not doing well is different from economy imploding. People in the UK are not turning heating on to save money. Doesn't mean we are going bankrupt.
If Russia gets what they want then "economy not doing well for a decade" isn't the end of the world for them.

>>546292010
>talking about birth rates
>moves the goalpost to claiming new land and new people
weird that innit, what happened about 2014/15 to make Russian birth rates drop lmao

Russians are spiritually indians. There is nothing to gain from attacking Ukraine. They have such heavy loses, they waste people, equipment, oil, lose all their partners and at the end of the day it's all over izzat.
They invaded to gain izzat. They can't leave because leaving would lose izzat. They need worthless areas that Ukraine abandoned and let them have because it gives them izzat.

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>>546292043
let me illustrate

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>>546292046
>peak population in 1991
>population went down in 2014
>no it didn't
>you're moving the goal posts
You're also wrong about the birthrate. Use your brain.

>>546292043
>If Russia gets what they want then "economy not doing well for a decade" isn't the end of the world

Like I said, if you feel like trading gold for colorful trinket is a good deal then be my guest, GG I guess lmao

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>>546292193
lmao nice try though lurk more nufag

>>546292126
So basically Russia lost because by 2035 the economy may collapse?

>>546292287
>birthrate dipped in 2014
>no it didn't
>shows me a pic of a graph showing the birthrate not dropping in 2014
Use your brain.

>>546291767
top kek, are you predicting future here like a gypsy? Things are much more simple. You send money to terrorists and they force Ukrainians to fly drones at russian soldiers, you stop it and the war stops. Responsible people go to gulag, the test finally can continue live their usual lives.

>>546292356
>may
will, unless they achieve a full victory. a massive stagnation while the rest of the world keeps going is also a collapse, it's the main reason why the soviet union fell apart

>>546292199
I mean this is Russia's problem isn't it. If they get their requests Ukraine and NATO would still have unquestionably lost and Russia would have won.

>>546292448
>If they get their requests
they wont, not in the current state of things at the front

>>546292429
A massive stagnation might also not happen at all. This isn't even how win and loss is determined. Germany lost WWII even if the Soviet Union imploded 50 years later.

>>546292522
>might also not happen at all
by what miracle will it not happen in a pyrrhic scenario? enlighten us, 41pbtid

>>546292369
>2013 12.98
>2014 12.94
>2015 12.90
>2016 12.85
>2017 12.81
>2018 12.77
>2019 12.48
>2020 12.19
>2021 11.91
>2022 11.62
>2023 11.33
>2024 11.11
>2025 10.89
>2026 10.67
Lurk more nufag lmao. Post war Russia is gonna be fucking funny when the economy goes into major recession then the real TFR shows it's face lmao

>>546292567
Economy can still be turned around or external factors may happen.
And this is not even the point. You're saying that Germany won WWII because the USSR dissolved and Russia is poorer than Germany? That's not how it works.

>>546292576
>randomly mentions the year 2014/5
>shows me data of russia's birth rate progressively dropping in a linear fashion
Lol. Use your brain.

Challenge me in what i said, please.
If anyone doesnt understand I will seek to
help clarify.

>>546292698
>birth rates going up until 2014 when it drops
>it's supposed to drop in a linear fashion when it was going up before that time
lmao zigger cope is fucking funny

>>546292776
>birth rates going up until 2014 when it drops
You haven't mentioned why you've used the year 2014. Clearly there isn't a big drops. There are other big drops on that graph.
>talking about russia's terrible demographics makes me a zigger
Lol. Use your brain.

>>546292846
>tries to snake his way out of answering why it suddenly stopped going up in 2014 and reverted
>brings up population size to avoid demographic talks
>tries to claim there isn't a drop
>copes by claiming the drop isn't as big
lmao anymore cope talking points? Lurk more FSB nigger lmao.

>>546287070
yeah and niggers are 99% human.

>>546292677
not sure if bait or genuinely retarded

>>546292448
how can anyone consider this massacre a win ?
millions of ukrainians and russians died, billions of dollars wasted, important ressources wasted, environments completely scorched, land that is filled with mines, bodies, rats, toxic metals, gold reserves destroyed, destruction of international law that makes it the stronger can grab your land whenever they see the opportunity. Pure serf mentality, out of all russians, it's like less than 0.01% that could see any benefit from this war. Russians who support this war are stuck in the beginning of the previous centuries.

>>546292939
>it suddenly stopped going up in 2014 and reverted
So what hapened in 2014/5 that made it drop ever so slightly?
>brings up population size to avoid demographic talks
>population size is not equal to demographics
>tries to claim there isn't a drop
It's been dropping since 1950. You mentioned 2014 for unexplained reasons.
>copes by claiming the drop isn't as big
Isn't as big as what?

>>546286781
Well you see when you launch a war with the intention of annexing a country and destroying their culture and you are unable to do that, in fact stopped dead in your tracks and lose over a million men and your army gets decimated in the process, it’s gonna be hard to sell that as a win.

>>546292939
>25pbtid
LMAAAAOOOO >>546288211 was right

>>546291912
>Russia bombed their own dam to flood their own nuclear reactor
The absolute state of nafo troons

>>546293038
> how can anyone consider this massacre a win ?
that is why it is not going to stop unless russia has something equivalent to its losses. Otherwise you get the nuke. Should have thought about it before starting this shit.

>>546292939
>>546289791
calling anons newfags while all your wojaks come from plebbit and knowyourmeme lol >>546287945

>>546293113
>first brings up Ukraine demographics like Russia doesn't have a problem
>brings up russian population size to counter birth rate decline
>tries to claim there isn't a drop
>copes by claiming the drop isn't as big
>but it's been dropping since the 1950's so why would you pick 2014!
>it's not that big!
kek
Also because you're retarded they had a baby boom from post ww2 and also the state financed shit for it. Then the soviet union collapsed and that's when it fell to the floor. What you see on the graph is the collapse of Russia (again)

>26pbtid
almost there jidf jeet

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>>546293366
>comes into the thread
>POST HANDS
>doesn't post his
>runs away
welcome back mehmet ready to post?

>27pbtid
3 more and bonganon is right lmao

>>546293365
>I would like to talk about getting protection just in case russia chimps out
>*russia chimps out*
they should never have trusted the US and Russia to keep their words and should have kept their own nukes. That is the one mistake that cost millions of lives

>>546293388
>>first brings up Ukraine demographics like Russia doesn't have a problem
>me mentioning ukrainian demographics being destroyed by the war means I think russia doesn't have a demographic problem even though i've repeatedly said they reached peak population 35 years ago
>brings up russian population size to counter birth rate decline
Never did that. The person I was replying to didn't mention birthrate.
>tries to claim there isn't a drop
It's been dropping since 1950. Like I said earlier. There is no massive drop in 2014/5 like you randomly claimed.
>copes by claiming the drop isn't as big
As big as what?
>but it's been dropping since the 1950's so why would you pick 2014!
Yeah. You still haven't explained why you picked 2014.
>Then the soviet union collapsed and that's when it fell to the floor.
Yeah. So why have you assumed I don't know that?

>>546293533
>massive drop
>massive
notice how you inserted that word to cover for your retardation in not seeing a drop?
>but but why did you pick 2014!
Are you retarded, because it's the most recent time in history where it inverted and what happened around that time? Anything Russia did around that time that inverted their birth rates? Anything that might scare of affect people? None you can think of?

>>546292992
"Russia lost because their economy will crash in 10 years" ok so I guess Germany won WWII because 50 years later it has a better economy than Russia, right?

>>546293651
>notice how you inserted that word to cover for your retardation in not seeing a drop?
If there is no massive drop, and birthrates are declining in most countries on the planet, why are you randomly mentioning 2014?
>Anything Russia did around that time that inverted their birth rates? Anything that might scare of affect people? None you can think of?
Tell me.

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>>546293747
>says massive again
who said massive you fucking retarded nigger the only person who wrote massive is you.
>tell me
na you're too retarded dumb nigger.
>BUT UKRAINE IS DONEZO RUSSIA IS OK IT'S ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THEIR POPULATION
hmm 1.5million + military aged males dead or crippled with the economy going to shit every year sure won't have adverse affects on Russian demographics. Oh never mind you're a retard who doesn't even know what happened in 2014.

Thinking in groups is an NPC hivemind mentality.

Its not a sport.
There are sheep and shepherds.
Talking about innocent men and women's
lives is extremely pathetic.
Something you have nothing in and will
regret in shame all your days.

None of us are safe. And no one has escaped
the grasp of the bad shepherd because all
are indebted in countries that have sold
their rights for debt and usury.

>>546293843
>who said massive you fucking retarded nigger the only person who wrote massive is you.
>birth rate dropping in a linear fashion, not a massive or even noticeable drop
>it doesn't have to be massive because 2014!

>na you're too retarded dumb nigger.
So you can't. Thought so.
>sure won't have adverse affects on Russian demographics.
Never claimed the war didn't impact Russian demographics. You made that up.
>Oh never mind you're a retard who doesn't even know what happened in 2014.
The big 2014 secret that you can't share. Lol.

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>>546293978
>I NEVER CLAIMED THE WAR DIDN'T IMPACT RUSSIAN DEMOGRAPHICS
>I'VE JUST BEEN TRYING MY HARDEST TO DOWNPLAY IT FOR THE PAST HOUR
KEK
Where's my super fan mehmet at

>>546294081
>I NEVER CLAIMED THE WAR DIDN'T IMPACT RUSSIAN DEMOGRAPHICS
>>I'VE JUST BEEN TRYING MY HARDEST TO DOWNPLAY IT FOR THE PAST HOUR
You can't provide a source for that claim. Just like you can't provide any information regarding that mystical year of 2014.

>>546293978
Arguing on the internet about innocent souls
is the horrible plight of retards that live
desperate to mouth breath over the most minute challenges.

You shame all of us in acting like babies.
All of you that are sat here doing this.
Everyone that cant think beyond the cloud
of pride that has infested their brain.

It is a shame. I dont want to judge you but
it is a shame.

It's grotesque.

Lend your ear to humility.
Put aside yourselves and cling to the
honesty of truth.
There is a bell curve and the sheep havent
argued their way out of a paperback.
It is a mouthbreathing contest.

>>546294200
Haven't seen that pasta in a while. Thanks for the nostalgia.

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>>546294132
>Just like you can't provide any information regarding that mystical year of 2014.
KEK
You want me to provide a source for you downplaying the impact on russian demographics for an hour? lmao

>>546286781
Do you remember when France sent boatloads of guns to the colonies during the revolutionary war?
Same thing

>>546294236
It is not pasta. I am actively trying to
help all of you understand.

>>546286781
if a bad guy breaks into your house, eats your food, watches your tv and fucks you wife for over 4 years and you can't make him leave that means you're winning, bigot.

Look at the real enemy and win this war.

>>546294276
>You want me to provide a source for you downplaying the impact on russian demographics for an hour? lmao
Yes. Since I haven't done that you'll find it impossible.

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>>546294372
Found one. Lurk more zigger fag.

Can someone explain without shitposting how Ukraine lost? Their army occupies Ukraine and nobody has managed to make them leave so far.

>>546294396
>Found one. Lurk more zigger fag.
So you can't provide one. Thought so. Just like you can't explain about that mystical year of 2014. It's a bit like if I talked about South Korea's birth rate being terrible and you then accuse me of being pro Kim-Jong Un. You are an angry simpleton.