https://www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe/tko-wwe-ticket-prices-vince-mcmahon-not-totally-focused-maxing-opportunity/>TKO chief operating officer Mark Shapiro spoke at the annual Goldman Sachs Communacopia & Technology Conference Wednesday (audio below) and in talking about ticket prices for both UFC and WWE, he said “WWE is not where the UFC yet is on ticket yield. We have our work to do there.”>“We know we have a lot of room there because Vince McMahon was primarily pricing tickets for families and wasn’t totally focused on maxing the opportunity there. Now that we’ve seen what we can do with UFC, we’re replicating that in terms of ticket yield and holding back and advance sales when it comes to OnLocation on the WWE side and it’s working out really well,” he said.>He also had a warning of sorts for towns that are successful when WWE or UFC comes to their town, especially for the smaller events, using UFC Fight Nights as an example.>“If we have a St. Louis going up against a Des Moines, Iowa, and you want us back there and you’ve broken records and sold out both your arenas, you have to pay for us to come back or else we’ll take it to another town. And that goes for NXT, Raw and SmackDown on the WWE side.”
>>18790032Amazing that AEW's managing to lose to this.
>>18790032kekaroo!!e-piggiEs are spending all their money on piggiE slop. imagine paying for wwe when aew exists. aew is a infinitely better product and its cheap as fuck because tk already has the infinite money glitch. he is not greedy for my money. tk is a good guy!! goddamn aew is a dream fuckin come true!!
WWE is family entertainment. Pricing out families is beyond stupid and is giving AEW a chance to make a comeback.
>>18790032tko's entire strategy is just a pump and dump
>>18790032>making Vince look like a good guygrim
Nosebleeds for UFC are 500+ and WWE isn't that far behind. How anyone can actually enjoy wrestling from that far away is beyond me. The production and commentary add so much. Without them you might as well be watching a house show
well, if the TKO jews say so it must be true, these guys are ruthless
Sure TKO, the one flaw Vince had is that he was just too nice.
>>18790032>Vince was more focused on quality where as we are more concerned with ads and ticketsWhy tf would you say some shit like this lmao
>>18790079Thats what vince wanted wwf to be, im telling you this tko bullshit is bad news for the oldest family run carnival in american history. Vince just wanted to sell tickets, not bleed every damn nickel out of you JUST to get a ticket to the show. He made that money off of merch sales at the show. But vince only had to answer to vince, now tko has to appease shareholders and advertisers and media partners etc etc
on one hand I feel like this is an insane thing to say, but on the other I know that this is what stakeholders want to hear so I get it. plus it didn't necessarily kill the ufc, so I doubt it'll kill wwe. obviously on the consumer side of things this isn't what you want to hear though
>>18790032Says the kike with shekel pupils. He's about to extract all this value until there's nothing to milk anymore and the well dries up. Private equity type retards don't understand longevity and sustainability at all, literal vampires.
>>18790032I honestly do not care if WWE milks money from their fans or holds all of their shows in Saudi Arabia. I only care that the show STINKS. All of the money they are making has not made the shows better.
>>18790420you fail to see how the two phenomena are clearly related
>>18790429The show was declining under Vince too.
I remember a time were corporations weren't so blatant about their exploitation.
>>18790079>and is giving AEW a chance to make a comebackTony hates families.
>>18790445why bother coaxing your language with propaganda when you can accurately call your customers pigs who will eat it all up? who is gonna stop you? regulatory bodies? lmao
>>18790032TKO kikes:>uhhh yeah Vince just wasn't greedy enough he priced things for families lolI tried to tell you all, it was over the moment TKO bought this shit. The only hope for WWE is for it to go out of business so that hopefully the kikes will sell it to someone else.
>>18790432record lows
>>18790032This is just spin. You obviously tell people you know more than the previous owner did.>>18790079This. WWE's competitive advantage is hooking people when they're young. Most of us started watching when we were young. If those kids never get to attend a show in person because they cost as much as 2nd hand Taylor Swift tickets, they're not going to be loyal fans as adults. It's sacrificing the future audience for the sake of current profits. Finance people always do this. Cannibalize the company to improve short-term profits and then bounce in a few years using your credentials of "improving" the company before the mess you made comes crashing down.
>>18790032Lol at a jew complaining about Vince not bleeding his marks dry. TKO really doesn't understand the wrestling audience.
>>18790398>Private equity type retards don't understand longevity and sustainability at all, literal vampires.THIS. PE is basically a scam that lets the economy contract while still making it look like the number is going up.
>>18790032i don't even watch AEW, but i'm far more likely to go to an AEW show at this point just to watch some live wrestling.
>>18790032>Shapiroit's just too on the nose
>>18790445you can blame trannies or liberals and no one will care about what you do with your company. They don't care anymore, the average American is cattle now
grimtko's goals are entirely short term and entirely profit driven
It’s funny how TKO is just openly admitting WWE fans are dumb marks who will continue to drain their bank accounts.
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>>18790492>TKO really doesn't understand the wrestling audience.They’re clueless. The WWE isn’t the NFL, wrestling goes hot and cold constantly even when the companies aren’t openly admitting to fucking over fans.
>>18790032>Vince is not a very good business goy
>>18790079>Pricing out families is beyond stupid and is giving AEW a chance to make a comeback.kek, AEW is NOT a family friendly show
>>18790398Yep. Happens all over. They take something successful, fire the people that made it successful, replace them with middle managers that do nothing and jeets, extract as much money as they can from the customer base while they churn away as the product gets shit tier, by the time the rescusle crew is brought in they've already moved onto the next victim.
>>18790032>Vince McMahon was primarily pricing tickets for families and wasn’t totally focused on maxing the opportunity there.wouldn't merch sales make up the difference though? Surely WWE sells a helluva lot more merch than the UFC. TKO is gonna fuck this up
>>18790032>keeping it within the WWE family was badfucking jews
>>18790032>TKO went full blown giga Jews mode>HHH and Rock trying to veto their bullshit>both got humiliate and attack head on in public and media>both looks like they want to fuck-offYup, the old guard are losing and given up.
>>18790032>TKO says Vince was a bad businessmanwell, because Vince cared about the product, and putting on great shows for the in-house live crowds.TKO (specifically Ari) don't care about the product, they just want to make money by being a completely soulless product.yes, Vince wanted to make money just as much as TKO doexcept Vince didn't make billions of dollars being completely soulless.Triple H, Stephanie, Ari, Nick Khan, Road Dogg and The Rock are all just eating off of the fruits and labor that Vince produced.
>>18790032>Mark Shapiro>Goldman Sachs>Saying WWE should charge more and make cities pay to break back events even when they break recordsWWE really did sell out to Jews
>>18790032>he was a bad businessman because he was treating you like human beings while we view you as ATMsI mean obviously but why would you say this out loud how fucking dumb can you be
VOW hit the nail on the head. Vince THOUGHT he was a ruthless businessman, but he wasn't. He ran a family business and grew it a huge degree, but ultimately it was still a family business run by a wrestling promoter.TKO are the soulless jews that Vince thought he was. Nothing at all matters except for maximizing money.
Love the E but i’ll be watching from the couch (sectional)
>>18790563that's the thing, AEW hiked prices around 2022-2024 and by that time WWE and the Bloodline was in full swing white red hot and they ate AEW's lunch every single time so Tony had to scale back and re-adjust prices, but I dont see these TKO juws scaling down on the prices anytime soon
>>18792158they won't scale down, they'll replace papa h if the houses go down to see if someone else can get the numbers up
>>18792180mfw road dogg gets a promotion he's in no way qualified for
>smackdown gets cancelled cause fans are too broke to advertise to>WWE splits their programming across different subscription services >ticks prices go up and upYep, definitely not heading towards a cliff.
>>18790079$70 got me two tickets which were close to the ring. When I went to Collison. I payed $140 for one ticket in the upper level. For this upcoming Monday Night Raw. Like an anon said. If I'm gonna watch live wrestling. It'll be AEW.
To think I paid $375 for a 2-night WM40 with a decent view to boot. Now these fuckers want me to pay $200 for a nosebleed ticket for RAW. Fuck off
>>18790085My read is that their strategy is to squeeze live venues, audiences and possibly tickemaster as much as they can. They aren't trying to grow by making an attractive, affordable product. They're trying to grow with rent seeking behavior.Pump and dump is also a possibility. >>18790137the audience for this statement is investors. He gives zero fucks about the sports fans.
>>18790398They understand it. It's just not their gameplan.
this is also why they want to kill AEW. if they can get their TV contract down, they can cut wrestler salaries in half and pocket more money.
>>18790453>it's a "Vincel projects his daddE issues" episode
>>18792180>>18792192It won't be someone from the inside. TKO will inevitably purge all of the "old guard" and replace them with spineless corpo goons.
>>18791955>Americans giving a shit about "family friendly"Fucking ROBOCOP had a toyline nearly 40 years ago.
>>18792825If Tony loves families then where's his family? He's in his forties.
>>18791955kek there was a bunch of kids at the show tonight. You can literally see a couple of them in the first row
>>18792870>there was a bunch of kids at the show tonight.Poor little guys...
He wouldn't advertize on the mat
>>18790123He cared too much
>>18790479Meanwhile, "The Alternative", for all it's flaws have extremely reasonable prices.
>>18791955Man hit in groin with football is always funny to everyone at all ag3s
>>18792829Dude that's the most early 90s WCW thing I've read
Kids are a huge part of the business. If they're not going to a WWE show and seeing Cody and becoming young Cody marks then their parents will take them to something else, not even necessarily AEW or even something wrestling related in general.
Say what you will about Vince but under him, WWE was the last entertainment company/corporation not owned by some conglomerate super corporation or at least with ties to a bunch of other stuff. He loved the business and always wanted WWF and WWE to be family entertainment everyone can go to and enjoy. TKO era WWE is uninspired, dull and frankly, soulless.
Merchandise is still the number 1 driver in revenue across everh entertainment field. I've yet to see any actual explanations for why TKO, or WWE prior, does not seem to focus on that, or release merch sales numbers. Am I missing something?
>>18795571Tickets have always been king in wrestling because the people in wrestling are retarded and don't know how else to make money.
>>18795571Probably because you're wrong; ever thought of that?
>>18790032makes me appreciate randy even more from that one vid where he was told by a family that they were paying a shit ton of money to see him and he profusely apologized
>>18790137Because they're talking to investors and not fans
After this shit is bled to death, Tony Khan will own WWE in our lifetimes.
>>18792877Im sure youre very upset they weren't at a WWE show surrounded by pEdos
>>18795900Please explain how.
>>18795900This is a bot post
>>18790079Vince is the one that lead the sale... He literally hired Khan to set them up for this shit.
Why do these UFC guys think people watch WWE for the story lines and fake feud acting? The only reason people get into the story lines in wrestling is when they have some truth and shoot stuff in them like CM punk. Other wise people just want them to get into the wrestling not see becky lynch acting for 5 minutes about how her fake feud is real.
>>18790032>worst thing to be said about Vince is that he made sure that families can afford tickets and enjoy live showsGrim, grizzly even
>the problem with the previous owner is that he wasn't charging you schmucks enough>but don't worry, we're going to start increasing prices on every fucking thing>and you'll thank us for itthank you so much corn syrup overlords yum yum
>>18790032>Vince wasn't focused on maxing the opportunityHe was focused on family entertainment.Ain't no fucking family gonna watch Raw or Smackdown when they can watch Disney+ instead for the same money.The show's content is dogshit, the production is visually degenerating from all the ad clutter, it's too long, and live attendance costs a fortune most people can't afford.I don't give a fuck if corporations and influencers are hogging all the Ticketmaster action. Those are entities that leave once the prestige of wasting their time gets boring, and contrary to the click rate and financial proposition, they're worthless human beings that barely even register on the taxpaying scale.
>>18795571WRONGufc barely has merch and no one buys it
>>18790032Wow, Shapiro, what a great way to maximize short-term profits, while pricing out once loyal customers, and in no way fostering long-term goodwill with paying fans, cities and venues. I'm sure this will in no way backfire.
>>18790047Lol
>>18790079Tell that mr.Shapiro in floor #1127 of the highrise
>>18790143>He made that money off of merch sales at the show.Very true, reminds me of a story Paul Wight told once in some interview. At a sold out show at the Honda Center with about 19000 people he sold 300 shirts and thought that was really good. He then asked how many shirts The Rock sold and was told about 9000, he asked how many Stone Cold sold and was told around 11000. The merch is big money each shirt has huge profit margins.
>>18795518>WWE was the last entertainment company/corporation not owned by some conglomerate super corporation or at least with ties to a bunch of other stuff. All of the other stuff Vince tried to do that wasn’t wrestling failed though of course it wasn’t tied to the company. I agree with the general point though
>>18798338>The merch is big money each shirt has huge profit margins.And yet WWE, if not, TKO, focus much more on gate sales instead of merch. Why?
>>18798467All their shirts suck so no one wants to buy them
imagine being so investorbrained you would say this out loud in public and think it sounded good
I miss Vince
>>18790032>Bad businessman>Turned a successful company into a household name associated with pro wrestling all over the worldIf that's being a bad businessman because he wasn't nickel and diming his customers, then I don't wanna know what TKO's definition of a good businessman is
>>18790047It really is. Not as mindboggling as when they jobbed to full on cringekino 2020 WWE, but still.
This is also the reason why Cena stayed babyface and never turned heel. Vince knew that if the kids want to see Cena, the entire family will go to the show. If you turn him heel you lose the family unit
>>18790032you goyim pay premium
