>second biggest company in wrestling outside of WWE>refuses to expand outside of Mexico, allowing AEW to do the heavy lifting insteadDo they just have no ambition or something?
>>18810211They are the oldest promotion in the World.Pre-dating WWWF/Capitol Wrestling by 40 years
>>18810211They are Mexico First
>>18810211>>18810230>>18810239It's sad; CMLL really is the best wrestling/lucha libre in the whole world, but they're so comfortable in their position of success and as the leading company in Mexico that they don't care about making themselves known around the world. The little fame they recently have worldwide is thanks to AEW.They're too traditional and conservative, but the Arena Mexico is really the Cathedral of Lucha Libre.It's not easy for a foreigner to consume their product; a YouTube CMLL membership costs more than double the price of a NEETflix subscription. Fortunately, Tony has been helping them change that. I'm optimistic and know that great things will soon come. The world really needs to know about CMLL!
I think it's a combo of:- Lucha was banned from Mexican TV until about 1989. It's hard to spread without TV.- CMLL was affiliated with the NWA and wasn't going to expand to the US.- Guatemala, which is the next nearby country, actually had a good lucha scene of their own.- Mexico is very very big. Mexico City is almost 600 miles from the southern parts of Texas. Some of the western parts of Guatemala are around 700 miles away.- Mexico is also poor.
They just don't give a shitthey could hire like 2 english commentators and a couple of guys to subtitle and translate interviews and their website for the price of half a luchadorThey're an old school gate revenue promotion and they seemingly have nobody in the office with a different mindset
>>18810211There is a reason why indie fans and AAA fans call the CMLL el toreo widows. They refuse to change in order to maintain their "pure" style and have this sectarian attitude of you're either with me or against me. They also block independent wrestlers with whom they are in bad terms by blackmailing indie promoters. I've even seen cases of Japanese wrestlers blocking others, which is ridiculous
>>18810211They pretty much sell out arena México every time they run a show
>>18811347>toreo widowsNope, you don't really understand that concept nor do you know what a 'widow of El Toreo' is.>sectarian attitudeWrong again. It's not a 'sectarian' or 'childish' attitude, as people who know nothing and understans nothing about the business think. It's not that simplistic or easy. Do the deaths of luchadores like La Parka or El Hijo del Perro Aguayo say anything to you?When you are a serious and stable company, you have a series of calendars and commitments already drawn up in advance. Imagine that the wrestler you're promoting and investing money in suddenly gets injured or dies in an independent live show. Do you think WWE doesn't allow that either because they have a 'sectarian attitude'? CMLL protects its talent from luchadores/wrestlers who might not know how to work properly. It's also true that there are independent promoters who want to promote their local talent at the expense of a CMLL star. in an easy and advantageous way. Would you really let 'El Ratón de Tecamac', the nephew of the independent promoter, beat Místico and try to lower him to his level by humiliating him in order to avoid the long road and gain fame quickly? You have invested thousands and thousands and thousands of pesos, and many years building Místico, and suddenly 'El Ratón de Tecamac' is going to beat him (or injure him) to become a star from one day to the next without investing anything more than the payment of the star of your company? Don't be ridiculous...Certainly CMLL prohibits mixing their talents in live shows with AAA wrestlers due to the great betrayal that gave birth to that company, but that's NOT a 'sectarian' or 'cowardly' attitude, you're just smart enough NOT to let them hang on your prestige or your years of work. You're just taking care of and protecting your product and your talent. Didn't the death of Parka or El Hijo del Perro Aguayo teach you anything? AAA went straight to hell after that. AAA went straight to hell after that.
>>18811347>>18811639(Part 2)AAA went straight to hell after that. Ask AAA what they thought when Vikingo got injured and was out for almost a year. Do you think they would have allowed him to attend that independent live show? All their plans go to hell from one moment to the next
>>18810211They're not the second biggest in all of wrestling. They're second biggest in terms of weekly attendance, which is excellent, but it's concentrated in three cities, in venues the company owns. They run a hot territory, more or less.Maybe if they did expand their market they could be #2 behind WWE, especially with everything else losing ground lately, but they're obviously behind AEW and NJPW on an industry wide/international scale, even if those promotions are drawing poorly week to week.
Even if CMLL was going to expand in some weird scenario it'd just be to maybe build a new stadium in a different part of Mexico. They're comfortable with their position and far as they're concerned if their luchadors want to do stuff outside of Mexico they can work with CMLL partners like AEW or NJPW. I do think they're missing easy money though not having English commentary and some basic English translations thrown up on their Youtube and website though.
>>18811872The Lutteroth family has too much money and too many businesses, they even have a baseball team and recently built a new stadium. They even organize boxing encounters. You could call it a 'mexican TKO' (of course, keeping the respective proportions). I mean, if they really wanted to expand, they could do so without any problem. They have plenty of money to invest and make CMLL much bigger than it is. Do you want to hear the very veeeery sad part? They are NOT very interested in wrestling...The alliance with AEW has been good for them, as they have learned to value CMLL and Arena Mexico more and more. That's why the office decisions are made by a group of shitty old men (to whom the Lutteroths delegated the management of CMLL) who also don't want to change anything and who are not up to date with the global wrestling business. These shitty mummies are completely trusted by the Lutteroths, so any change could mean they finally leave the company and lose their jobs. But Salvador Lutteroth, who is the head of CMLL, is a good guy and has been observing the impact that the alliance with AEW and the opening of CMLL to the world has caused, and I'm sure he has taken note because changes are starting to happen. That's why I see a bright future for the next years...
>>18810350they have already done japan and uk tours with revpro and njpw
>>18811639>>18811663This anon is a clear example of a "viuda del toreo". It's the classic attitude of someone who likes to smell their own farts. They feel that no one can teach them anything and that the old and traditional is at odds with fun and spectacle. Of course, you have a sectarian attitude. You know what I mean because there are many stories about it told by the wrestlers themselves. The blockades against el tigre blanco so that he wouldn't get work, also when they prevented Hayako Hamada from fighting because otherwise they would stop sending CMLL wrestlers to the arena owner. You know very well about the existence of training fees that they demand from you just to deny you any opportunity because you don't have a godfather inside arena mexico, the problems with the unions, and I could go on. La Parka's death was due to a poorly executed tope suicida, and El Hijo del Perro Aguayo's death was due to not receiving proper medical attention. Only a shit ass would worry about el Místico losing in a non-televised event held in a forgotten municipality in the state of Mexico. He's still the godddamn Místico, and these are things you can't get into your head because, I repeat, you think wrestling is about your unbeatable idols and not about the show you give to the people.>When you are a serious and stable company You know very well that the CMLL is neither of those things, so why are you lying to yourself?>Certainly CMLL prohibits mixing their talents in live shows with AAA wrestlers due to the great betrayalThis is another one of those things that makes me laugh. AAA wrestlers even had a faction within the CMLL remember Alebrije? Charlie Manson? They gave Mascarita Sagrada a job, and that's how Mascara Dorada was born. For God's sake, they even gave hijo de tirantes a job. It seems that the problem isn't AAA's talent, it's that the CMLL doesn't make any money from those matches.
>>18810211>second biggest companyThey are the first (WWE is not wrestling by they own admission)>refuses to expandFantasticamania Japan, Fantasticamania UK and Fantasticamania USA and their wrestlers represent CMLL all around the globe. What are you asking them to do?
>>18810211Sorry but not sorry.For me is AAA
>>18813365let's also not forget MLW with the Azteca Lucha and Lucha Apocalypto shows as well.
That's kinda based desu
>>18811506having USD$3 tickets makes that easy
>>18813578oh yeah, MLW low-key the best partnership
>>18813819Based Templario.
>>18813819>>18813844Templario is one of those dudes you see for the first time and you become a fan instantly. At least that was the case with me. Good look, solid moveset, great mask. What else do you need
>>18813855Is it worth paying USD$50 for a 1st row seat to CMLL to watch him in action?
>>18813855Yes. This is what happened with me too.
>>18813885If I had the chance, I'd do it.>>18813892Based Templario enjoyer
>>18813170Absolutely, he has been schizoing many threads as bad as Hogwheels does, I'm afraid at the tought that hog could be autistic enough to actually use ai to make these posts
AAA is dead, just let it go already
>Konan posting hereKEK
>>18813170Man, you want to do math again? I've kicked your ass several times before, and you want to keep humiliating yourself. You just don't have a point, not a single one.>sectarian attitudeAnyone reading this is going to look at you like an imbecile.CMLL simply doesn't allow its luchadores to mix with AAA elements or with 3 or 4 unwelcome luchadores in the company. CMLL does NOT persecute anyone and does NOT cancel other people's events, nor does it leave anyone without their bread. If an independent promoter wants to feature CMLL luchadores for his live show, he must dispense with AAA luchadores. And if the promoter prefers to keep AAA luchadores, then CMLL luchadores won't be showing up for the show. That's it, and it's the same thing that happens in every fucking company in the world. Stop trying to demonize CMLL, you stupid hypocritical hippie.>>18814820OBVIOUSLY!
>>18814121It is currently more alive and causes more interest than NXT.
>>18811639Mistico got jobbed out to MidgetJewFaggot
>>18814121AAA is more popular than AEW
>>18815996>>18816324WWE brand.But interesting that "some people" are still trying to sell it as a collaboration or partnership
>>18810350Me on the center-left
>>18817217Kekmonito, is that you?
>CMLL>100% Mexican Promotion>Just granted the Hecho en Mexico seal of quality
MLW is American CMLL with a few white people.
>>18818045basado
>>18820010basado
>>18810211>mexicans still in mexico>do they have no ambitionIf they did they wouldn’t still be in mexico
>>18820397>>18813365
>>18819413Do you think Andrade might end up in MLW instead of AEW? They’d make him the top guy instantly and he’d still be able to work CMLL shows through that partnership
>>18820662I think he goes to CMLL directly, the only place he can rehabilitate his image.But you never know with CMLL, maybe he is on the blacklist now
>>18820662>>18820890Andrade is a prodigy of a wrestler, but he doesn't deserve a spot (at least not a main event spot) in either AEW or CMLL. There are many wrestlers in AEW and CMLL who have been working hard for a long time and who don't deserve to be displaced to give Andrade exposure.I hope he doesn't return to either of those two companies for now. It's better for him to reinvent himself or to consolidate himself, perhaps in Japan or somewhere else. He really isn't 'the idol' (yet) he claims to be. He needs to prove to the world that he truly deserves the place he demands, so he needs to make a career out of big companies for a while and show everyone that the problem really wasn't him or that he's grown up.
>>18821036If Naito still wrestled, they could do something in NOAH
