>irreversibly destroy professional wrestling by popularizing overly choreographed flippy sequences
>>18934393ONE OF THE GUYS
>>18934393The young cucks and Kenny Omega wished they looked as smooth as this
>>18934393There was nothing wrong with this. Unathletic, skinny-fat midgets trying to do it at half the speed and none of the impact killed wrestling.
>>18934393>duck under the leapfrog>turn around>stand there waiting instead of following Jerry to the ropes and smashing him in the head with an elbowpathetic
>>18934419why did bill alfonso not simply hit jerry lynn with a shoot whistle until he quit?
Flips are based and universally over and always pop the crowd, and I'm tired of pretending that hating them is legitimate or somehow more authentic. Such a really midwit contrarian opinion adopted by people so they seem like they have a clue when they really don't.
as bad as this is I don't see anybody no selling piledrivers so it's not all bad
>>18934444wasted quads on a figrider
even though you are probably right this still feels much smoother and more weighty than the crap we're getting today.
>>18934444checkedflips are based but the constant no selling and focus on spots with no psychology are gay
>>18934444Flips are fine.Flippyshit, however, refers to a non-stop barrage of flips with such frequency that the match becomes nothing but spots.
>>18934547Agreed
>>18934447bur
People love blaming indie shit no one watched for ruining wrestling. Here’s what really happened:>wwe kills the territories greatly reducing the amount of wrestlers who can actually work full time, which is needed to develop as a performer>wwe is waits until the late 90s to start a developmental system >through mismanagement and incompetence wwf ruins their developmental system and opens the unproven PC which is more of an expensive pr stunt than an actual training center >for decades wrestlers outside of the wwe system are lucky to wrestle once a month because it’s so hard to find consistent work, in a big part because the industry leader, WWF, is really bad and runs off potential fans every year
>>18934393>comparing modern flippy shitters to this
>>18934669
At least RVD was adult sized
>>18934669Look at how jacked rvd is here toonow compare that to hgh guy osmegma or skinnyfat assplay not even the same league, shit its not even the same sport >>18934677that fisherman suplex into a crossbody off the ropes popped the hell out of me now THIS is workrate
Meltzer used to complain when things looked overly choreographed.
>>18934627This makes a lot of sense
The way Jerry Lynn ran the ropes always annoyed me. He also had the worst ring attire.
>>18934588explain how a flippyshit match is any worse a match than WWE's restholds + melodrama slopfets>>18934669>even does the superhero pose at the end
>>18934701I didn't say flippyshit was any worse than WWE slop, did I? I try not to compare smelly turds to each other because to me, it's all just shit.
>>18934669>>18934677
>>18934690Omega has definitely been that jacked, multiple times in his career. He was basically a Jerry Lynn clone with curlier hair for a long time.
>>18934704>thought I had an opinion? Joke's on you, I'm a miserable cunt who enjoys nothing>>18934690>Ospreay & Omega look badlmfao nostalgiafag sizequeens are legit fucked in the head
>>18934714>>18934716im only really familiar with his later AEE stuff and not his main njpw run assplay on the other hand i have seen enough of
>>18934716>Ospreay & Omega look badcorrect
>>18934716>enjoys nothingSo the only two kinds of wrestling in the entire world, in wrestling history, are WWE slop and flippyshit?Anon, are you fucking retarded or what?For me, it's Japs giving each other shoot brain damage and old school Memphis/territory shit.
>>18934716>if you don't enjoy two bad extremes, you don't enjoy anything!Ospreay has been garbage since NJPW stopped wrangling him and Omega has been very slow since like 2022
>>18934728If you've seen 30 seconds of an asspray match, you've seen his whole career
>>18934737exactly its just a gymnastics routine
>>18934732why are you replying to ragebait lmfao
>>18934735Ospreay is immensely talented but he is at his best when he is wrestling someone who makes him slow down and actually have a wrestling match, like Jay White or Shibata.
>>18934737
>>18934732That’s what makes aew so great is you get all of these styles in one show. If you like all Japan from the 90s I strongly suggest checking out Samoa Joe and Eddie Kingston.
>>18934755nah dis gotta be bait
why come it seems like everyone was super jacked before taking the mark contract in tinys toybox and now theyre all kinda potatoey
>>18934737The joke is that they can’t do it. Not that what they are pretending to do is bad.
>That’s what makes aew so great is you get all of these styles in one show. If you like all Japan from the 90s I strongly suggest checking out Samoa Joe and Eddie Kingston.
I don't get why flippy shit that's literally a wrestling gets hated on so much
>>18934732Taue is so underrated, such a giving performer.
>>18934765Omega just has roid bloat and is too old/injured to keep his workout routine
>>18934765They work like twice a month and get paid regardless of performance. Tony saw all these promos where they talk about loving performing for the fans. And just assumed he’d get just as much hard work and dedication once they became near millionaires over night.
>>18934765>get paid millions of dollars so you don't have to work anymore>...>stop working
>>18934771*Wrestling style
>>18934771People think they hate it. They just hate the lack psychology and emotional engagement that is often absent from it when performed poorly. It’s the difference between a dragon gate six man and a dragon gate mainevent. The difference between Davey Richards and KENTA. The difference between the bucks and the Hardys.
Rolling Thunder is an absolutely based move and I won't pretend otherwise
>>18934765>why are wrestlers in better shape when they are younger
>>18934831>The difference between the bucks and the Hardys....one of them you watched in your childhood and the other made it in spite of the fed?
>>18934393ECW work rate > modern wrestling work rate
>>18934993>and the other made itwhat exactly did they make?
ECW is boring flippyshit like gayewGlad it got cancelled
>>18935017More money from that show than you do in a month.
Those are real men that I would fuck if I was a woman. Today's wrestled are fsggo thah smaleedicks can't drawl
>>18935039They lack honor and will not leave a legacy.
If anything it was the 90s era luchas in WCW that started the trend, which bled into WWE after the invasion, evolved into 205 live, etc
>>18934993One works the marks the other worked one mark with a lot of money and no sense.
>>18935083Who did they influence? All your top indie guys from the 2000s were all new Japan junior fans.
>>18934677>that snap on the suplex at 0:16why did god have to take you so early
>>18934733I never noticed how often RVD did that "jump into the barrier" spot until this thread.
>>18935017>sports based presentation
I’m fine with spottests. I think they can have their place on a card. Especially an action focused promotion. But the spots just look so much worse than they did 20 years ago.
>>18935065Their legacy is a mindraping of e-drones not seen in decades.>>18935087If the Hardyz were that good at working, they'd have retired years ago instead of crippling people in TNA so they can make ends meet
old sequences had nothing like this faggotry where they wave and point where the guy is supposed to go
>>18935303I think prime RVD and Prime Jerry Lynn would smoke Prime Will Ospreay and Prime Kenny Omega.
>>18935303this is a gymnastics routine
>>18935322They would never survive dynamite kidI don't think they can even have a tres caidas match
>>18935017>>18935303This is why Paul was so desperate to sign The Lucha Bros?
>>18935303Why do aew niggas do so many of these type spots where nothing is accomplished
Of the many idiotic fan views I've seen as someone who started watching again last year after dropping out around 07-8ish, the absolute dumbest by far is how many retards act like modern day wrestlers are great athletes who totally blow away old school wrestlers.Modern day shitters are 5'7 twinks who do some crossfit and can't even perform half the moves they try. Matches are *spot, spot, lay on the ground for 30 seconds and then repeat* because guys have no endurance or cardio and do those spots in slow motion to begin with. Watch any 90s or early 2000's match, its constant action and then you get a 1-2 minute rest hold and then 10 more minutes of constant action because 80% of the roster were actual athletes who got into wrestling after washing out of football or being an amateur wrestler. The literal worst thing about modern wrestling is the actual wrestling now. The storylines usually make way more sense, and theres way less absurdity in the presentation, but it all falls apart when anyone gets in the ring and does choreographed ballet routines instead of knocking the shit out of each other.
>>18935338Dynamite Kid was a roided up psycho. No modern wrestler would survive him. He fucked up Mick Foleys jaw with a clothesline.
It's crazy how much better things look when you >SLOW IT DOWN
>>18935402There was a time in wrestling when you could be 5'9 and just do roids made you an unstopable juggernaut
>>18935383> spot, spot, lay on the ground for 30 seconds and then repeatI knew smark wrestling had passed me by when the first ricochet vs Osprey match got a ton of praise and when I watched it they just took turns running off the ropes so the other one could catch them with a move and get a two count over and over again. I’m not saying this to be mean or condescending but if anyone reading this really likes AEW, unironically and not just because you want someone to make WWE look bad. But watch 2003-2008 ring of honor. Watch 2005 CZW. Watch 08-2020 Chikara. Watch dragon gate from its founding to 2009. Watch that 25 best NOAH matches list. I think you will really enjoy these, they’re all action focused and objectively have less botches and better setups for spots than you get in AEW.
>>18935500*08-2010 chikara
>>18935445Not to mention he had that Japanese strong style. I guess you call it that. Those dudes would shoot try to kill each other in the 80's.
>>18935303>where they wavekek
>>18935513Strong Style is a marketing term Inoki came up with where he basically claimed the way new Japan guys wrestle is a legit martial arts and it’s the best way to fight. Ultimately it means as much as sports entertainment, where the boogie man and Chris Benoit were both sports entertainers. Guys working a proto shoot style in the 70s and 80s are strong style and so are all the juniors like Liger who wears a silly bodysuit and do shit off the top rope. Dynamite just knew he was half the height of everyone and if he was going to look good he’d just have to be a complete bully in and out of the ring.
yeah lynn and rvd only did this spot like once a yearnot every single match on every single card every single weekmassive difference
>>18934393>>18935303The difference between these is night and day and if you prefer the latter you just don't get it pal
>>18935655RVD & Jerry wrestled each other 9 times in as many weeks in 1998
>>18935671And more than half of those were at house shows.
>>18934669ECW was dimeless and I’m tired of pretending that it wasn’t.
>>18935683>NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
>>18934669Is this the only ECW Hammerstein show that 90% of the show wasn’t filmed from that awful diagonal balcony level angle?
>>18935671>house shows
>>18935688Certainly even a lowly AEW fan understands the difference between the amount of people who watched a tv show or ordered a ppv and the couple hundred of people who would go to ECW house shows.
>>18934728Prime njpw Kenny is near untouchable. Pretend any of his aew shit never existed. Tony brings the worst out of everyone
>>18935715Do you think that there was a significant differential between how many Mutants went to a house show and how many ordered their PPVs?
>Prime njpw Kenny is near untouchable
>>18935775Cry me a river
>>18935758There was a wrestling boom and people regularly ordered PPVs. If there wasn’t a significant amount of people ordering ECW ppvs they would have been replaced with pornography or more replays of the matrix. You started watching wrestling in 2015. You don’t know how normal it was to watch wrestling back then, even a fringe promotion like ECW was more well known than AEW.
>>18934393make sure to include the WCW cruiserweights, in particular the luchadores. Think of them every time you see a shitty very choreogrpahed looking counter/reverse/counter/reverse sequence that ends with a standoff and the wrestlers staring at each other like fags.Thanks Dean Malenko ya fucking homo
>>18934393>The original spot Money>0 in-ring storytelling>No five star matches without objects/ladders/tables>Mediocre on the mic>No ginmick>Shitty physique with short armsSo why he was such a IWC darling back in the early 00s to the point everyone tought he would had been a WWE top name within a year?
>>18934769worked
post more RVD kino
>>18934399This poster is so fucking gay. Are they gonna fight or cry?
>>18935775>>18935754probably should watch his stuff but jewjamal are gay about their paywalls
>>18934393And not Shawn vs Taker at Mania?!
>>18935754Shit even when Kenny was in AEW, the few times he did New Japan stuff for em he looked insanely better than anything he did in AEW.Tony really does bring the worst out of everyone.
>>18934732That's shoot assault
>>18936738its genuinely funny to see omega show up in njpw, big ass entrance, huge fanfare, murders himself and others. then in aew hes doing goofy shit like spitting up marinara. i dont really care if he wants to be a comedy act, but the juxtaposition is hilarious
>>18935934>he would had been a WWE top name within a yearhe was
>>18935934you just described Triple Bypass
>>18934393He's right you know
