>putting Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes in your Mt. Rushmore but not even mentioning Cena and Orton
Nobody cares your gear monkeys, kid. They never drew a dime.
>>19059278this but unironically. funk is in my top 5 and dusty isn't far off, and both are a million times better than lolcena and stanky whoreton.
>>19059286>>19059288So you felt called out
>>19059303You smell.
>>19059288>stanky whoretonbig kek
>>19059286if nobody cares why you answered Op faggot
>>19059318It's my job to put people like him in their rightful place, under my shoe.
>>19059329So you do care
>>19059288Why do you like them more than Cena and Orton?
>>19059288>stanky whoretoni'm using that
>>19059339Better matches, better promos and a million times more natural charisma. Plus Rhodes and Funk didn't need a corporate machine behind them to get mega-over.
>>19059354Maybe promos as in the content of their promos but mic skills Cena wipes them both. They finna mumble and bumble when he makes another Thugonomics callback
>>19059278>OrtonHow is he different than Funk or Dusty?
>>19059362lol just one of Funk's old memphis promos mogs everything cena ever did, and neither cena nor orton ever did a promo as famous or memorable as the "hard times" promo. You're comparing real GOATs to imitation GOATs.
>>19059377A single >THE CHAMP, IS, HEEEEEEEEEEEEERE!Swallows all them boomer fake tough guy soliloquies
>>19059339They both speak to the primal soul of manTerry Funk is just insane, he has been everything and anything in the wrestling business and you can believe every single one of his words and every one of his moves. He is an incredible promo with the greatest range that any wrestler ever achieved. You can listen to his rants against Lawler as the gruff southern man who wants to whip anybody he don't like, against Ric Flair as an unhinged maniac, or as a wisened veteran keeping the dream alive in a devastated wrestling landscape after the Shane Douglas/Sabu three way match in ECW and that man is fucking real all the goddamn way. Dusty really is the American dream, in all its complexity, nuance, beauty and pain, eternal underdog who owns up to his mistakes and rises up once more for the title. He may actually be the greatest orator of the 20th century, anybody can listen to Hard times, and in 120 seconds they've folded and they want to see him beat Ric Flair, whoever that may be, because they can believe and feel every word he just said, I've seen it.Both Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes are so easy to believe in because they are both complex men, who never shied away from showing their more selfish instincts and playing up their internal conflicts to resist them (Dusty) or let them lose completely (Funk)These are the asperities that caught people and made them believe that wrestling may be fixed, that wrestling may be fake, but neither of these guys will ever lay down on the mat for a paydayCena and Orton give hope to kids and pop the marks but they don't have that thing at the bottom that lets you think maybe, just maybe, wrestling is real.
>>19059387boring shit, cena is a wannabe superstar and orton's only distinctive feature is a move he stole from fucking DDP of all people.
>>19059492damn that really was a fine speech and fine digits too
>>19059492I usually watch joshi shit but man I really need to check out more Terry if that wording is accurate. I had shied away from his work while he was alive.
>>19059519I think his promo work in memphis against Jerry Lawler would probably be the best.
>>19059519Watch the three way match at The Night the Line was crossed and the post-match "press conference", it's some of the best shit I've seen in wrestlingHis entire program against Ric Flair in the late 80s-early 90s is top tierThere's a 3 or 4 hours match and promo compilation video on the WWE Vault youtube channel, it's a good place to start too
>>19059507Cena is a household name and the third most popular and famous wrestler ever after Hogan and the Rock
>>19059667lol no he has a lot of name recognition but only because he's been astroturfed as a legend for so long. Also I'm pretty sure he sucked literal jew cock in hollywood
>>19059667Taker is literally #1.
>>19059677He probably sucked cock to get Peacemaker, but he's still more famous and popular than Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes' entire family put together. Call it branding if you want. The fact of the matter is Cena was the last megastar in wrestling and Funk/Dusty never were
>>19059692He's up there but not above Cena, Rock or Hogan. My grandma has never so much as stood on American soil and she knows who Hulk Hogan is
>>19059695GOATs don't suck jew cock, and Cena was just a temu Hulkster.
>>19059667Cena being on top, or rather shoved down everybody's throats far longer than reasonable, is the literal reason wrestling almost diedIncredibly talented guy, but should never have been THE guy because he's fucking boringWhen Stone Cold was the guy, wrestling got bigger than everWhen Cena was the guy, all these people left and wrestling shrunk to be smaller than it had ever been
>>19059692I wouldn't completely agree but Taker does mog Cena and Whoreton by a country mile.
>>19059716You weren't his target audience in the PG era so of course you'd think that. Are you willing to commit and say the Rock is also below Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes for sucking cock in Hollywood?
>>19059695kek the fact is Cena is the champ that lost 4 million viewers, Funk and Dusty are the guys who almost prevented WWE from becoming a monopoly
>>19059720worst part is, they did the supercena thing at a time when they still had a huge number of highly talented people. They really could have done a lot better.
>>19059725In legacy, if there is such a thing in wrestling, he does mog Orton. Not Cena. And in fame he also doesn't mog Cena
>>19059278Terry Funk is a better professional wrestler then anyone active today. Dusty Rhodes drew more money then anyone active today and is bar far a better promo. You know nothing about an industry that you are probably obsessed with. Feel bad. Good bait though.
>>19059732We're talking about who's more famous at the end of the day, not who you prefer from different times, places, creative directions and gigapushes. If you can't like Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes more than Cena and consider them superior wrestlers without also conceding they're nowhere near his fame and renown then you're delusional
>>19059729yes, I think he got his original seven bucks by sucking off some local rabbi and as soon as hollywood came calling he said fuck wrestling and went to do what he really does best: Getting down on his filthy coconut nigger knees and deep throating schlomo with all his might. Can ya smeelllllllll what the Rock is gargling? Well I can, and it smells like bagels and matzah!
>>19059720Does that make Cena any less of a famous household name when compared to Dusty Rhodes and Terry Funk?
>>19059736Everybody knows who the Undertaker is, he's every bit as famous as Cena without having his face plastered all over the fucking mcdonalds menu.
>>19059750Thank you for that colorful image
>>19059749anyone who actually knows about wrestling at all knows who Funk and Rhodes were, and how great they were. I don't give a shit if some normie knows more about Cena simply because he was in some shitty movies.
>>19059278>>putting Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes in your Mt. Rushmorehow old do you have to be to do that lmai
>>19059756I told you he doesn't mog Cena. Not that Cena mogs him back>>19059764What you're talking about is a niche. John Cena is both mainstream and global and was just that before and regardless of his Hollywood career
>>19059764This, we are talking about a pro wrestling Mount Rushmore, mainstream opinion and notoriety in 2025 doesn't matter. No wrestler aside from John Cena, The Rock, Hulk Hogan has any real mainstream notoriety in the United States. Depending on the age of the person you ask and your region, Dusty, Flair, The Crusher, The Von Eriches, Bruno, Andre, Gorgeous George, Slaughter, Piper, Macho Man and a few others might get a "yeah I remember hearing about that guy" or "I used to love that guy."
>>19059775You needa be a hipster in your 20s who thinks old = good, not old yourself
>>19059362>>19059339>>19059387>>19059667>>19059695All these bait posts. Are you bored at work or something?
>>19059789Quit operating entirely on the mistaken assumption that everyone models their opinions to get (You)s, (You) dumbfuck.
>>19059788This particular conversation is an offshoot of a post claiming Cena wasn't a superstar. You could have Santino Marella in your Rushmore for all I care, but let's call a spade a spade here
>>19059810OK. That assumption is objectively wrong, I'll agree with that. Cena isn't on Rock's level of notoriety, but he has definitely done enough to be considered a mainstream star.
>>19059799I didn't accuse you of being insincere
>>19059755Give what metric you use to asses what a household name is and I'll tell you
>>19059782He literally drove away millions of viewers. People talk about Hogan never putting people over in the 80s but Cena and HHH were far worse and people abandoned wrestling in droves and it still hasn't recovered.
>>19059775Old enough to have internet access I guess>>19059789You're a complete faggot
>>19059815>Who thinks old = goodOld doesn't necessarily mean good, but discrediting the in-ring of Terry Funk or Dusty Rhodes' drawing/promo ability makes it hard for me to think anyone arguing that Cena and Orton are superior in anyway, but their physical appearances, is arguing in good faith and should be taken seriously.
>>19059788completely correct, the OP specified the subject of Mt Rushmore, he didn't even say anything about mainstream name recognition but now he's trying to move the goalposts.
>>19059830what about the RKO? it's arguably the greatest finisher of all time
>>19059841Its an internet meme.
>>19059818I don't have metrics as this isn't a science. I just intuit based on my personal experiences
>>19059850And how old are you?
>>19059841it's a sloppy diamond cutter lol
>>19059823Yeah. So what? Is Cena less famous than Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes because of it?
>>19059859Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes didn't tank the business, they elevated it. So yes, that does make them more popular overall. Cena is only popular with present day WWE fans because everyone else left.
>>19059857Too fucking old and it makes me sad to think about
>>19059865>muh ratingsNobody cares lil bro
>>19059865To play devil's advocate for anon, Dusty's booking hurt JCP/WCW, but that was after he was responsible for drawing huge in Florida and as a wrestler for GCW and JCP, so I'd say he was a net positive in terms of gaining fans and drawing houses, neither of which WWE or AEW does.
>>19059871>>19059877I regret playing devil's advocate for anon kek. What a retard.
>>19059865With respect to Dusty and Terry Funk, when compared to Cena, nobody knows who they are. That's fame. Cena's target audience that stayed, alone, is bigger than theirs. The minuscule, I'm sure, fraction that likes Cena, is certainly bigger than the huge fraction that would say Terry Funk and Dusty were bigger stars. It's perhaps bigger than the total sum of wrestling fans who know about Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes. The fact that PG pissed away viewers won't change that
>>19059890I think anon is saying that Dusty and Terry were more beloved babyfaces then Cena, which I think is true. For the bulk of his career Cena was only liked by children and some of their mothers.
>>19059823>and it still hasn't recoveredI think this is the funniest and most ironic part, and how I know the people who "unironically" praise and love Cena now ARE the ones who grew up with him, tolerated him so much that it turned into stockholm syndrome, or normies who only know of him through memes and let that warp their perception in all of their low critical IQ. Cena (and Triple H) TANKED RATINGS. They OBJECTIVELY did. People will throw a bitchfit and threads about people who "made ratings drop" back in the old days like Bret and Shawn or whoever - NONE of them came close to what Cena did. And this is how bad it was, in the long term: even when WWE is available on a GLOBAL PLATFORM like Netflix, purely internet reachable, no cable programming, no exclusive deals or anything, just 9.99 on fucking NETFLIX - THEY STILL ONLY CRACKED BARELY SUB 7 MILLION VIEWERS. They had 8 million viewers in 1999! And you mean to tell me that people, an entire global population of over SIX BILLION, are so uninterested in wrestling, that even when opening the global gates they only draw in six... million? ...Really? For clarity, 6 million of 600,000,000,000 is 0.00001%. Hell, let's cut that generously and account for kids, no internet access, a complete lack of interest or awareness of pro wrestling and/or WWE and assume the limit is 1 billion. That is STILL 0.001%. And even if we use the US' current population, which is around 342 MILLION, let's say it's 100 million for graciousness. That's still 0.06%. They can't even get ONE PERCENT of the population to give a shit. Cena has done irreperable damage to WWE, only made worse by Roman's utter apathy during his push and Vince's obsession with him. And shit like this is why I'm not personally upset by his garbage tour, because he deserves it because he's a fucking hack and a fraud. I'm only more upset it was wasted TV time that could've been used elsewhere.
>>19059906I do remember him getting booed in and out of the arena every week, even when he wasn't down my throat and up my ass. Would you say Cena is more beloved than Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes?
>>19059920No, I'm agreeing with you anon.
>>19059920>>19059922On the basis of Terry getting pulled down from the ring apron in Japan by women who wanted to save him from getting hurt by the heels alone. Cena has and will never get a reaction like that.
>>19059927Will anyone ever? I don't know the odds of that happening today even if you had Terry Funk in his prime
>>19059908Damn. Cena timmies utterly destroyed
>>19059927Weren't there people trying to hop the fence and get into the steel cage when the four hoursemen beat down Dusty and nearly caused a riot? If I recall that was Dusty's idea too lol
>>19059278>Le Mt. Rushmore memeI hate zoomers
>>19059947is it fair to compare different stages of kayfabe like that?
>>19059981It is if you want to have an objective argument/debate regarding pro wrestlers. Kayfabe was an integral part of pro wrestling up to like 1998.
>>19059981Maybe Cena should have presented situations in which kayfabe was more believable. Did you consider that, faggot timmy?
>>19060009kayfabe was already long dead by then. no teenager or grownup would run in to protect a babyface from baldy orton no matter what
The Mt Rushmore of wrestling is >Toots Mondt>Bruno Sammartino >Hulk Hogan >Antonio InokiAnd I dont want to hear another fucking word about it.
Terry > Cena > Dusty > Orton
>>19060025>No Rikidozan>No El Santo>No Jim LondosEven Inoki would disagree with your ranking.
>>19060025Roman, Cena, Rhodes (Cody) and Rollins, unc
>>19060039I could see replacing Inoki with Rikidozan but El Santo didn't have a lot of impact on the wrestling business outside of Mexico, not to discount what he did for Lucha but it is too localized. And I dont think Londons is a bigger name to the business than anyone else named, despite him being a huge star. I appreciate your knowledge on wrestling history though, too many fans don't know these names but they should.
>>19060072I love Puroresu with all my heart, Lucha Libre is just as localized as Japanese wrestling. If you are going to include the most important Japanese wrestler, you need the most important Mexican wrestler. Londos is literally the biggest draw in the history of wrestling and will never be surpassed. Do more research.
>>19060025If you want to go down this road:>Frank Gotch - first wrestler to popularize wrestling in the US >El Santo - greatest luchador of all time and a literal national hero>Rikidōzan - created puro and also a national hero>Hulk Hogan - he is the godfather of modern pro wrestling and the catalyst for two biggest boom periods in wrestling history
>>19059908this, cena tanked the whole business and then roman tanked it again because vince apparently didn't learn his lesson with Cena.>>19059890again, funk and rhodes never drove off millions of viewers or caused the entire business to take a nosedive.
>>19060094don't forget Hackenschmidt, he was literally the first world heavyweight champion and one of the few who was completely legit.
>>19060094they apparently made horror movies about El Santo where he fights mummies and Dracula. not sure how popular they are in Mexico tho
>>19060086I'll concede to your argument about Santo and replace Sammartino with him. Londons and Sammartino basically compete for the same slot anyway. So the Mt Rushmore is>Toots Mondt >Rikidozan>El Santo >Hulk HoganEach of these men changed what wrestling was is and could be in ways others simply never could. There are a lot of honorable mentions but I think if you have to boil it down to 4, this is it.
>>19060100>>19060119Still think that Frank Gotch is more important than Hackenschmidt and Toots Mondt.
>>19060119>>19060119I think Toots Mondt is debatable with Frank Gotch, Lou Thesz, Hackenschmidt, Ed Lewis (another member of the Gold Dust Trio) and, Londos, but I'll concede that the other three are pretty much set in stone.
>>19060136>>19060140Toots Mondt came up the babyface vs heel dynamic that basically everything else in wrestling is based off of. He is the George Washington of professional wrestling and without him the landscape is completely different. And that's not even talking about what else he did for the business as both a promoter and wrestler.
>>19060136it's very debateable on that one because Gotch/Hackenschmidt was basically the first feud in wrestling history and they were both champions. Gotch was definitely more popular in the US than Hackenschmidt, but that's because Hackenschmidt was basically the first "foreign heel" gimmick.
>>19060140IMO most of these names are handicapped by lacking WWE's presentation, which is at times revisionist. If we're comparing wrestlers to monuments, then Andre and Flair might be more along those lines
>>19060147Since you are arguing in good faith, I'll acquiesce. I think a Mount Rushmore including any of these guys is >>19060140 as that fourth spot is valid. I'd also begrudgingly accept Flair or Inoki
>>19059278hello zoomer
>>19060159>>19060164Andre to desu, who I totally forgot until you pointed him out. I'd also argue that WWE's history is almost always revisionist.
>>19060140We're talking wrestlers, not promoters, so Toots doesn't really belong.
>>19060164Yeah that's a fair way to look at. It the halcyon days of wrestling were so long ago it's almost impossible to say who belongs as the face of that era. The others are easier because there was really no one else like them before or after.
>>19060172He was at one time a wrestler, so I'd let it pass. Billy Sandow as the last member of the Goldust Trio should also be considered even though he was known more for being a manager.
>>19060170>>19060172Toots Mondt was a wrestler first brother.
Looks like the discussion is waning so I'll bow out but thanks to the anons who know shit who had an actual conversation for once. Nice change of pace bros.
>>19060210You can thank Cena for that. He worked everyone into a shoot so the pivot back to Mount Rushmore would be more impassioned and earnest
>>19059278>Cena>OrtonLMAO
>>19060227Thank you Cena.
>>19060227THANK YOU GOAT
>>19060184fair point and true, but his real impact on the business came from his work as a promoter, which I think would be a different mountain.
>>19060253Promoter mountain would for me would be >Toots Mont>Vince McMahon>Eddie Graham>Giant Baba/Leroy McGurck/Salvador Lutteroth
>>19060274Not a bad one but I would probably replace Graham with Crockett, might be personal bias on that one desu.
>>19059377Cena would look at fat ass dusty and say it’s a promo kid you’re gonna need to learn how to cut one.
>>19060353Dusty would just steal Cena's mic and bury his ass.
>>19060374Dusty did that to Steph and suffered dire consequences
>>19060381After he embarrassed her.
>>19060353Dusty wouldn't survive a >Fine speech Even if he just cut a hard times promo
When it comes to great wrestling promos, Cena doesn't even crack the top 100.
>>19060416Let's see your top 100 then
>>19060416Is using crowd awareness to act human, is basically the only trick it needs exist properly
>>19060381>suffered dire consequences Yeah, dire consequences like... >checks notesNever being able to hold a mic because he was too powerful, and training all of the NXT candidates who everyone has said in shoot interviews that they loved Dusty. Whoops!
>>19060444We all know Dusty couldn't tune his accent without the crowd losing it
>>19060459Speak better english and maybe I might understand what you're saying, ESL-kun.
Why the fuck would I put Cena or Orton on MY Mount Rushmore, when they aren't among the 4 most influential/best/favorite wrestlers of my life?
>>19060505Like Paul Orndorff said jack. It's all about them kids
>>19060508It's my Mt. Rushmore though as said in the OP. This isn't made by or for "them kids". Also, ain't no way are those kids putting Randy Orton in that group
>>19060516What type of wrestling fan would have Orton in a Rushmore? PG kids who remember him as a bald psychopath who beat up Cena's dad and kissed Stephanie and then grew a beard and turned face in the 2010s?
>>19060430Word count won't allow it, but here's my top ten1. Flair2. Piper3. Hogan4. Funk5. Rhodes6. Austin7. Road Warriors (together, not separate)8. Savage9. Vader10. Pillman
>>19060529The kind of people who unironically say>2009 Randy Orton was a MENACE
>>19060541Kek sure enough
>>19060561These "wrestling fans" wouldn't know 90% of the people mentioned in this thread.
>>19059908Holy fucking TRVTH NVKE but unironically
>>19059908Yeah I have to be honest. Im finna not read allat kek
>>19060960TL;DR Success breeds jealousy
HulkVinceShaneStephanie
>>19060960Yeah I have to be honest. Im finna not read allat kek
>>19059908Cenasissies, our response?
>mfw am the only person who puts Kane on their Rushmore list
OFFICIAL RUSHMORE OF WRESTLING (ALL CATEGORIES)Antonio InokiVincent Kennedy McMahonTerry "Hulk" HoganDavid "Dave" Meltzer
>>19059908>fucking retarded foreigner thinks 6/342 is .06%Waste of time to respond to someone with brain damage
Kenny OmegaWill OspreayKazuchika OkadaKota Ibushi
My personal wrestling Mount Rushmore only has one. It only needs one. That one? WWE Hall of Famer and President of the United States of America Donald John Trump of course.
>>19061569We don't take ESLs who lack reading comprehension seriously about here. Go be a faggot timmy jeet elsewhere.
>>19059278Wrestling fans are too snobby, methinks
>>19062912>methinksYou have no bearing to criticize anyone fag.
this is just what i think but i think there has to be more than one mountan. if we're talking all countries and all eras it is impossible to pick just four.
>>19059278>CenaMy unpopular opinion is that the guy had the IT factor, but he got screwed by shitty pg writing. Even if his first few years were decent the only good feud was with Punk. This is why he's not Mt. Rushmore material
>>19062990probably a true assessment, all shitposting aside
>>19062945Perchance meseems, forsooth
>>19062990This is what hurts about Cena. IT bullshit memery aside, he definitely had some wit and mic potential with thuganomics. And seeing him throw it all away just for opportunities to hog the spotlight and appeal to literal toddlers makes him look like a huge bitch. Motherfucker never even truly tried to elevate his character since. He's a phony.
>>19062964The Japanese one is easy, Rikidozan, Baba, Inoki and then the fourth spot can be one of like 30 people.
>>19063040How much of the PG era was on him specifically? Especially considering he sold his soul to WWE. I think even Super Cena would have been more tolerable under different direction
>>19059278Lol what? No shit
>>19059278Hogan seems to be the most common denominator in people's Mount Rushmores
>>19059519zoomer here, I checked out a lot of terry funk after he died and it ruined wrestling for me, that old shit is so much better than what we have now and boomers are unironically right about wrestling
>>19059278Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes wanted to take losses to make wrestlers that came after them better while Cena was only in it to feed his own ego and made his line of succession worsesimple as
>>19063040He would have been a top guy regardless of whether WWE went PG or not. And top guys keep their spot
Why would you do it with an ugly sex doll?
>>19059278kek, you fucking child! Funk and Rhodes are key to everything that came during and after them
>>19065203The territories are dead, grandpa
>>19065203Well yeah they went to Japan and saved that dayThis is not hard to figure out, they were mad at someone's dad, powerless as I was had the channel the spirit of rikidozan, consequences as followBest korea
>>19064943Which wrestlers from the DEEP PG era do you think he should have put over?
>>19059278the sign of a real graps knower
>>19064943Apparently they didn't get anyone over since we are still talking about these old fucks
LawlerDustyInokiCenaNuff said
>>19059278If there's a PG-Era Mount Rushmore, Cena and Orton would be there for sure. Who else?
hogan, flair, austin and the rock is the only correct answer
>>19059278>Cena and OrtonIf Cena and Orton were absolutely dimes the business wouldn't have started dying while they were its faces.Funk and Rhodes, on the other hand, left the business better than it was when they retired. When you're good you inspire others to try to take up your mantle.
>>19066688how much of that is on Cena & Orton by themselves and not Vince's creative direction in tandem with them being shoved down everyone's throats?
>>19066707Enough of the Vince escapism. Vince is half the problem. Cena and Orton were his top two stars and could've easily forced Vince to do something different or they'd walk. Because what the fuck was Vince gonna do if that happened? Fucking nothing. He would've been flustered and scrambling like a motherfucker and probably have no idea who to make a top guy depending on who was there. Austin left, Rock betrayed them, Brock got sick of it, Lashley was a wasted investment, he hated CM Punk. They absolutely had all the power to shake up the company if they wanted and chose not to.
>>19066758you're not wrong. had they done that, but remained as the top stars for as long as they did, with Cena being Super Cena with just a little more edge... I mean pardon me for not being able to articulate just now, but do you think Cena and Orton are solid talents that would have thrived across the board under different conditions?
>>19066785Why do you keep asking the same retarded question phrased differently?
>>19066834
>>19063040If even Hulk Hogan, regardless of what you think of him, had the balls and wit to go heel and actually commit to it, AND people say it's one of his defining career moments that people liked (until the end), then you know you fucked up. Imagine having less sense and character dedication than Hulk fucking Hogan.
>>19059288>stanky whoreton
>>19066834because you haven't answered. because you're afraid of what you might say
>>19059387>a catchphrase is a promokwab
>>19059278Who TF puts them in their mount Rushmore lol besides literal boomers
>>19066905Nice projection faggot. The answer is no. Randy's initial gimmick literally hinged on wrestlers having a legacy and taking them out. That would not work in any other time, especially the territories. Imagine if some nepobaby shitkid walks up to you and says "yeah so my gimmick is that I take out the relevant people so you're putting me over tonight". Any promoter would've shown his ass the door. Cena hinged on being a trashy white rapper which would've been nonexistent in the older days and seen as trend chasing during AE, with Vanilla Ice being in the social sphere, which they were MORE than known to do very often. Hell, they probably would've gotten sued by Ice for defamation or whatever. There were already a dozen "unhinged" gimmicks. There can be only one "Hulk" type unless you're jacked to the gills, then you're the next Goldberg clone. But the end result is that anyone "gets over" so long as they're pushed long enough. Many, many careers have shown this, most notably being Roman.
>>19067243was that so hard?
>>19067243>Many, many careers have shown this, most notably being Roman.Roman is pretty much Cena. Megapush that lost millions of viewers and people now pretending they're good because they've been booked strong for long.
>>19059278>cenabiggest undeserved push in the history of wrestling>ortonbaby with a huge ramp-up built up by triple H being salty about lesnar being the youngest WWE championNone of them did it on their own.
>>19068051This
>>19067243>>19066889>>19066758>>19063040>>19059908Cena utterly fucking buried, holy shit
>>19059278Yikes!
>>19059278Unlike a lot of the hateful goblins ITT I don't loathe Cena for existing. I think even PG Cena was good when he wasn't burying half the roster. And some of them deserved to get buried. I think post-PG Cena is good period. But I wouldn't put him in my Rushmore. Definitely not Orton, Funk or Rhodes either. The latter two are some snobby boomer shit on the level of crediting Benjamin Franklin with lithium batteries
>>19071811>latter two are some snobby boomer shit on the level of crediting Benjamin Franklin with lithium batteriesLet's be real you need literal brainrot to dismiss Terry Funk's and Dusty Rhodes' contributions to wrestling like thatLike holy shit bro lmao
>>19071889I don't make the rules, unc
>>19059492Huge pop
>>19071889I'm not finna put either of those boomer faggots over Macho Man Randy Savage or even the Undercarder. Uncs may as well be talking about Harley Race, Hackenschmidt, Gotch and Lou Thesz. Bring up Milo of Croton while you're at it
>>19071889ok grandpa, dust off the vhs tapes and take a nap
>>19065203>Well they weren't GREATS >But they inspired the GREATS Unc...
>>19059278Boomers worship Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes for being tough and gritty and cutting REAL SHIT working man promos while mumbling but turn around and act thin skinned when younger generations don't wanna hear it.
>>19059278BMJ isn't a meme. Regardless of how you personally feel about John Cena and the PG-era he is objectively the greatest of an entire era where he was at the center. John Cena main eventing two Wrestlemanias in a row against the Rock is far, far bigger than anything Dusty and Terry ever did 200 years ago before color television and before kayfabe died. I'm not sorry to say this no more because boomer wrestling fans are obnoxious faggots who think their piddly favorite era in wrestling is important when discussing all-time greats
>>19072077You have to be genuinely fucking retarded to put the guy who more than halved the total wrestling audience as the GOAT lmao
>>19072182Who was greater than John Cena in the PG era?
>>19072188Who was greater than Funk and Dusty in 80 lolVince literally picked Dusty OVER HOGAN lmaoThe only reason Vince settled for Hogan is because Jim Crockett gave Dusty the only thing Vince wouldn't give him, the book.
>>19072199Don't move the goal post. I said Cena was the greatest in the PG era
>>19072213You said that he's bigger than Dusty, which is, you know, complete bullshit, because the PG era is where everybody stopped watchingKeep sticking it to "the boomers"
>>19072220I said his matches with Dwayne at Mania were bigger than Dusty's fat ass. And when I said John was the greatest in an entire era where he was the sun, which you referenced by getting on my case about him being the GOAT, I was talking about the PG era
>>19072230>I said like, two matches with Cena were greater than Dusty, totally not that Cena wasOk this makes no fucking sense at all lmaoWhat the fuck
>>19072239My post is right there grandpa. Go get your reading glasses
>>19059377>Funk's old memphis promos mogs everything cena ever did, and neither cena nor orton ever did a promo as famous or memorable as the "hard times" promo.all of that just to get checked by "fine speech"
