Vince was never a good booker and got carried by larger than life personalities that carried his shows for him

When he left the company

>>19109247
You posted it, he legit thought he was gonna get Roman over for like 8 years by booking him like that

He never had it, he’s the Barry Switzer of the wrestling world. Hand him a few giga draws and he does ok but anytime he was actually forced to be creative he failed miserably.

Heel Austin, only because I wasn’t old enough to remember Bret, Diesel, Shawn, Luger and Sid. Vince was a hack and only succeeded when a can’t miss soft ball was thrown his way. He only ever succeeded as a business man in a world filled with carnies.

Amd yet he still mogs paul

>>19109247
Never, there were always good moments

>>19109290
At being a BBC loving sissy maybe

>>19109295
The good moments were despite Vince's booking

Rewatching 2001 shows made me realise how bad Vince fucked up, he had the opportunity to have Sting, Goldberg, NWO, Flair ect. all taking on his top guys and draw billions of dollars, but no, gotta have Triple H as the top guy forever.

Lots of my friends who were still hanging on to WWE gave up during the reign of terror and when Brock left in 2004.

>>19109379
Those guys had too much of an ego from WCW and you would've never gotten the matches you wanted to see

>>19109247
Suffering succotash or the magic beans shit. Probably around then. I dealt with super Cena. That's just being pissy about a guy winning who you didn't want to see keep winning. It's not like he couldn't ever back it up and make the matches entertaining. The Big Dog though? That 2015 Rumble especially if I had to pinpoint one night. Just completely tone deaf to everything the crowd was all but begging for

>>19109290
just because Fumble is turboshit at booking doesnt make Vince a good booker

>>19109247
The golden egg and NXT 2.0

Hell in a Cell Seth Rollins vs The Fiend

>>19109440
honestly that one felt like Vince wanted to book Fiend squashing Seth but Pauletty worked him into booking a no DQ finish
then after the backlash Vince probably reverted to the original plan that Bray no sells all of Seth's finishers and squashes him
doesnt matter that much cause Fiend jobbing clean to Goldberg had Vince autism written all over it

>>19109477
>booking a no DQ finish
I mean a DQ finish

>>19109247
Back when he made the company PG

>>19109247
people should still be clowning on this mat

>>19109247
1992

>>19109497
A no contest is not a dq. Plus they ripped that off from lucha underground, which stretched out the matanza-mil muertes feud for an extra week with a no contest ruling. Prior to that I didn't even know such a call existed and I'm sure Vince didn't either

>>19109477
Vince was reported to be laughing at the crowd reaction to the match and lighting. He did it on purpose.

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>>19109697
>laughing at the crowd reaction to the match and lighting

>>19109681
>Vince got it from Lucha Underground because that's where I saw it
They used to do it back in the day. They stopped because it is dogshit and the Fiend shit was a reminder to that

>>19109247
When he watched his ratings and attendance crater year after year before covid.

>>19109272
Wasn't Barry one of the greatest college coaches who ever lived? Or am I thinking of someone else like Bob stoops

I'd take Vince schizo booking over corporatized TKO slop any day of the week

I don't know when that happened, but I definitely stopped watching in February of 2015. I would guess that it happened after that

Eddiesploitation

>>19109886
>Put the belt on Rey even though you don't believe in him
>Immediately book him in the most horrific way imaginable
>Get shocked when your intentional sabotage results in Rey failing
>5 years later put the belt on Rey again
>On the same night have John Cena take it away from him

when he tried to cater to poorjeets thinking they had money, and put the belt on Jinder only to book him as a chickenshit heel while jeets are the last people on the globe who believe wrestling is real and are marks for superhero babyfaces like Roman was at the time

>>19109247
I left just before the invasion era started (2001-2002) because I was a WCW guy. I came back in 2005 and wrestling died when around 2010s

>>19109247
I thought this was one if those pictures that makes it look like something is on my screen but there actually was something on my screen and this is just a normal picture. Kek.

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2007

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>>19109247
when he chose to make cena not only the top guy but started astroturfing him as some kind of GOAT by putting a blue million titles on him

>>19109379
yeah after buying WCW and ECW he had a chance to make the absolute greatest kino of all time but he was too petty and vindictive to just give the people what they wanted. HHH and Cena killed the business imo.

>>19109247
was roman actually such a soft handed pussy that he needed a mat to rest his fist on the floor?

>>19109935
>On the same night have John Cena take it away from him
Seriously what the fuck
And Cena was supposed to be a babyface off that? What?

The shitty McMahon drama in 2000

When he booked Lauranaitis vs Cena above his most prestigious title.
Also all the cuck storylines now make sense.
But triple nose ain't far behind with his "slow burn" bullshit that doesn't pay off, or his "you should pay your dues before you get over on your own" shit.
The more I see bookers in wrestling the more I understand the guy who quit that was in charge of the drawing board during the attitude era for quitting. Is like they only want who they like to get over regardless of how over someone is.

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>>19109247

When he didn't know how to book the Undertaker.

>Breaking the Streak
>A rematch feud against Lesnar in 2015, Lesnar didn't needed to win
>25th Anniversary at Survivor Series, no Casket or Buried Alive match against Wyatt, just a tag team match
>Match with Shane at Mania, Vince originally planned to let him lose to Shane
>Loses to Reigns at Mania
>Original plan was to have him win the WWE title against AJ Styles at Royal Rumble and fight Cena at Mania 33

The rest is meh, Taker wasn't fit anymore, which is why the match with Goldberg became trash and his Mania Match with Cena was kept short. But the 2010s were Taker's worst decade so fuck Vince for that.

>>19112066
this was takers doing not Vince
dude refused to go out without “the proper sendoff brother” at least AJ finally gave it to him in that graveyard thing

>>19111834
sex with voodoo gypsy Naomie

>>19111920
Yes. Keep in mind he got busted twice for steroids at a time when his physique was above average at best in the wrestling scene. All those roids and nigga couldnt muscle up, soft ass coconut coon

>>19111944
not even that but didnt he literally just waltz in a said he is having a title match with Rey in 20 minutes right after he won it? thats one of the most heel authority shit ever

>>19112039
the death of wcw basically killed wrestling because they dont have serious competition for nearly 25 years, of course they want to force people they like even if the crowd rejects them cause the other options are just lolTNA and AEWho

>>19111920
I remember people here (on /asp/) defending it by saying it made sense because they didn't want Roman to break his hand, as if he was just punching the ground like a knuckle dragging retard

>>19109247
I think I realised his booking wasn't for me when he had Balor beat AJ then the following night on Raw Kane squashed him

>>19112125
I think so.
It was just bizarre and retarded.

>>19109440
>>19109477
>>19109497
It's 100% Pauletty's fault for that. The spot before the DQ was a sledgehammer shot to the Fiend.
Pauletty has to protect his sledgehammer spot and didn't want Bray to kick out.

>>19112066
>Lesnar didn't needed to win
Lesnar jobbed to Cena the first PPV he came back in.
>jobbed to Paul at WM afterwards
He kinda needed the Streak to be legit again.

>>19112190
wtf how come I dont remember this?

>>19112243
yeah that cringy ass shit had Pauletty’s fingerprints, Seth was curb stomping Fiend onto steel steps and buried him under chairs and it was ok but the moment he picks up the sledgehammer the ref starts begging him not to do it, shit deserved to win WMOTY

This the Vince derangement syndrome/wrestling fig up da bussy, playa containment thread made by cripple?
>>19109247
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>>19111830
What terminal VDS looks like

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When Vince ended the Cody/Kaitlyn romance angle abruptly, because he thought someone like Cody, wouldn't be interested with someone like Kaitlyn. Had Kaitlyn showed up during the AE. He would've loved her. And pushed her to the moon. I think he was going senile at that point.

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>>19113104
>he picks up the sledgehammer the ref starts begging him not to do it
https://youtu.be/bOov_WJrFk8?t=11596

>>19113191
kek based X-Pac

>>19113160
>reddit spacer is still coming up with his sexual fantasies again
We get it you’re gay for BBC and likely spam that BNWO faggotry everywhere

>>19111830
this exactly

>>19109681
it ended due to referee stoppage and everyone thought it was a DQ
the no contest one was Roman vs Braun where Brock came in and F-5'd them
both were retarded and booked by senile autist Vince

>>19112123
jesus christ, roman really might be the worst champion in wrestling history. they put everything into this jabroni and nothing worked. yes, I would say that he was worse than david arquette because at least david arquette made an effort to be a good champion, which is more than can be said for roman. this man would be nothing if it weren't for the fact that a senile vince thought he was the second coming of the rock. I concur with your assessment, he's a coconut with a soft shell.

>>19112221
Don't forget that this was in the middle of "CM PUNK LEFT WWE WITH THE TITLE", and he just came back 2 weeks later anyway

>>19113304
His football career was also short lived as hell. He claimed it was because he got diagnosed with cancer at the time. But looking into it, it doesn't add up plus he got diagnosed with a form of leukemia which can be suppressed with lifelong oral chemotherapy. That shit doesn't mean your football career is immediately over cause within a few months you could play again. I know it's questionable if he really has this type of cancer in the first place but it feels like an excuse brought up a lot of the time for his failings

>>19109477
>>19112243
>>19113104
>Source: it came out of my ass

What the fuck are you faggots talking about? Here, interview from back when Bray was still alive, there's another one he's done after Bray passed and Vince left where he repeats the same even more clearly that Vince made the call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBn5JZ-9hpw

This >>19109256

But also when he turned Kurt Angle into a racist rapist in a desperate attempt to get Cena over, and then people STILL booed Cena but instead of changing Cena's character he tripled down and had him go over Jericho and Christian and kept that shit up for 8~ more years

And he did it again with Roman

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>>19113339
ok my assumptions were wrong, it wasn't Paul but Vince's autistic booking

>>19113348
I remember the time when Christian and even Mr Kennedy got cheered over Cena
one got exiled to the ECW brand, other one got released iirc

>>19113105
You'd have to be deranged to stop watching WWE in the mid to late 2010s

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when Baron Corbin was the General Manager of Raw and the main event scene was him and Seth, with Becky and Lacey Evans thrown in as well. Raw tanked so hard tarps weren't enough they brought out a huge ass curtain
shit was so abysmal they had that segment where Steph, Shane and Fumble came out and told that cringe ass shit how the Dubba E universe is now the GM but it only lead to a Baron humiliation ritual the everything continued to be the exact same shit

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looking back, late 2019 and early 2020 E felt like it was booked by someone actually understanding wrestling, def not by Vince
making McIntyre win the Rumble and challenge Brock felt like they actually listening to what people wanted, no wonder Brock was down to work the angle
Covid didn't fuck up everything, it just felt like Vince went back booking like the senile autist he was
>McIntyre over cause he is the first organic tweener in a long time
>turn him into a smiling babyface dipshit happy-to-be-here
>book the main event around women wrestling then be surprised ratings are plummeting in a time when there is no live audience
>pull the rug from under your world champion the moment crowds are back
>put the belt on the career midcarder who is an underdog and fan favorite by this point
>book him like a chickenshit heel retard despite built like a brick house
>have him need MVP who can barely walk to beat guys like R-Truth and still jobbing to him in tag team matches
>be Kofi the only person he beats clean, despite how he was booked retardedly strong barely a year before
>put the strap on Manlet E, have Bobby job to him clean, book Gay E the same jooveling tag team guy as world champion while Lashley is enhancement talent for fucking Goldberg

>>19113433
This was also when they fired and rehired people every two months, shit like Rowan's spider happening, and Bliss stealing the Fiend's powers only for Bliss to disappear and Bray get released

>>19113324
yeah for sure, I think he was always just a lazy ass coconut nigger. all he wanted to do was chill on the island and drink coconut juice and do those weird coconut nigger haka dances where they scream and slap themselves to try and scare people.

>>19109545
At least Jericho tried to disguise his. Oh the big dog needs a little mat so he doesn't hurt his hand from touching the ground.

>>19112066
you forgot when Taker got his win back by getting desperate and low blowing Brock, only for their third match to end with Brock winning with a low blow at HIAC 2015 (this match interestingly got memory holed by most)

>>19113444
I get everyone sucks at the start but the wwes love for samoans will forever baffle me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY7pLGCUdQs

>>19109247
oow my poor handsy

>>19109390
>Those guys had too much of an ego
Really? Thankfully that wouldn't occur in WWE

>>19113104
>>19112243
>>19109477
>writes fanfiction

>>19113503
what baffles me is how FCW Roman always looks like he was put together in The Sims' Create-A-Sim

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>>19113320
>he’s still projecting his gay fantasies again
See this is why nobody listens to you obese smarks you all project your degeneracy.
>>19113348
>>19113357
>5 obese smarks cheering and booing is proof
The amount of revisionism smarks go to in order to justify their headcanon is amazing
>>19113433
Vince hasn’t had any power over WWE since at least 2005 outside of that small window that HHH and Stephanie got pushed out of

>>19109379
I stopped watching around the time WCW went out of business and they completely blew any sort of invasion angle people might have been interested in. Ratings suggest millions of others followed the same path.

>>19113576
>5 smarks
kys, retard

>>19109379
Cause Stephanie took over by that time and wanted to push her husband. Smarks want to delude themselves by thinking that Vince had all the power when it’s confirmed that Stephanie took over by that point
>>19113625
Take the wrestling fig out yo bussy, playa

>>19113576
>>19113630
Aww, Li'l Jimmy is all gwown up.

>>19113503
They must have had some serious dirt on Vince, he always showed them special favoritism going all the way back to Jimmy Snuka. Moolah probably did too, how else could she dominate the entire women's wrestling scene for decades despite not being very good at anything?

>>19113576
We get it bro, you want Vince to shit on you. Can you stop being a faggot now?

>>19113576
Wait what? Vince lost power in 2005? umm you're almost 20 years too early on that. Talk about headcanon...

>>19112251
But did it needed to kill the streak? He also beat CM Punk and Big Show before that so wins and win and loses never really mattered for him. Even having him lose to Cena at Extreme Rules was pointless, just as it was pointless to Squash Cena at Wrestlepalooza. They could have given Taker a pyrrhic victory at WM30 to keep the streak alive but have him all beaten down so hard by Lesnar that he had to me carried out on a stretcher and Heyman would still brag about Lesnar destroying him.

>>19113471
That match at Summerslam was kinda odd and made Taker look pathetic. Lesnar had him in the Kimura lock and he was tapping but used his Taker-magic to make the bell ring by itself to distract everyone. You may say, Taker could have always use his magic to win every match but it doesn't looks Taker for me to use dirty tricks. Anyway, there was no need for him to Lose to Lesnar in 2015, especially not shortly before his anniversary. Perhaps it may have been less damaging if Wyatt cost him that match instead of attacking him after the match?

pushing theory

>>19109247
That little pad always gets me.
>Grr, I'm a big, bad superhero! But I can't do my pose without getting hand ouchies. :(

>>19109247
When he let people like punk or bryan be in the main event

>>19113762
I accept your concession
>>19113787
>obese smark gives his sexual fantasies away
We get it you’re a coprophile.
>>19113798
You can literally look it up Stephanie took over creative in the early 2000s.

>>19113353
Thank you.
It does matter for the thread topic though, it's when eccentric Vince kino turned to self-sabotaging or at least of the key stones of it. Booking for shock value so badly it buries an entire event, match type, two stars, one gimmick and a referee to boot.

>>19109247
The WM he was meant to have a row of pyro down the whole ramp but it stopped halfway down as the camera kept going with nothing happening was funny

>>19109247
Sheamus winning the Royal Rumble over Jericho when both of them ended up in world title matches anyway.

>>19113890
Hard facts.

>>19113948
>You can literally look it up Stephanie took over creative in the early 2000s.
so you tellin' me all the abysmal booking decisions was made by Stephetty and not Vincetty?

>>19114334
Roman with wet hair always made him look like a homeless bum. I have no idea why they let him go out like that. Yes I get it's for selling but it genuinely made him look worse.

>>19114334
Remember that period where they had Reigns wear blue contacts to look less Samoan?

>>19114415
remember when his catchphrase was he is The Guy cause Seff called himself The Man

>>19109247
When he let those two midgets have their moment at wrestlemania. Killed the company

when he let the bitch who got raped in '92 be world champion for a year

>>19114415
kek i remember that, it's funny how they knew everyone was sick of samoans winning everything but they didn't just...you know, have samoans stop winning everything. Instead they tried to make Roman look whiter as if that would make any difference.

>>19114641
This still boggles me to this day. Like, he could very easily just fake punch the ground, control the impact to feel nothing at all... what the fuck was he being so retarded for?

>>19114641
I have to put my hand down on the ground once a week most of the year, I need a little bed for it.

>>19114732
It's not as though he fake punches people for a living or something.

>>19114641
I see why people thought the Roman now was an imposter when he showed up again. They could not be any more wildly different. I guess cancer forces you to become a different person entirely.

>>19114763
It's not like he had to do a lot even as a heel, Heyman did the talking and he just wonlol as before but with interference this time.

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>>19109247
Pretty much during the main event. This entire show was ridiculous but seeing people cheer Triple H, ironically or not

>>19114851
everyone looks like they dont want to be there except Dean and maybe Sasha

>>19114641
Damn. What a faggot.

>>19114641
did roman unironically post a u stoopid tweet in 2020

>>19115045
He's always come off as something of a dim whiner in social media and interviews.

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>>19114763
Even by babyface Reigns standards, 2018-2019 Reigns was grim.

>>19115065
>gable and escobar have been around since 2018
And they still have no major belts? The fuck is wrong with creative. That aside, even pre-cancer Roman just looks like a fucking goober. He's like a few pounds away from looking like some loner that collects trading cards on the side and does nerdy shit. He's basically slimfat. And shit like that is why I will always mark his career as mediocre, because if you need a deadly disease for you to get a clue, you're just an idiot.

>>19112113
Taker offered to lose the streak multiple times to others but Vince refused to book it
>>19112066
The Cena squash match was so retarded because it was the first time in years he didn't go into WM injured and then Vince trolls him by turning it into a squash last minute

>>19113304
he is utter dogshit
i stopped watching in 2014 or so when he was getting the gigapush and hated him just as much as everyone else.

i started watching again in 2021 here or there and come to find out everyone acts like he's good now. Yeah his persona was much improved and he's much better on the mic, but the bloodline storyline was literally carried by everyone else, he was easily the worst part of it. And he was still fucking terrible in the ring. He is still a terrible wrestler and still uninteresting.

>>19115088
And also get handed a big invincible heel gimmick with manager and stable.

>>19115088
the cancer shit was all fake mark

>>19115101
Also he shows up like four times a year, it's less than Brock did.

>>19115110
thats maybe the best thing about him
at least people aren't subjected to him every week like cena was for a decade +

>>19115088
that's ali, not escobar

>>19115088
>escobar
that’s Mustafa Ali in the pic
but I think Escobar is there since 2018 or 2019

>>19115109
It was not fake, they just exaggerated the severity of it, or rather they deliberately did not clarify the nature of it so people would assume the worst and imagine Reigns bald and skinny hooked up to chemotherapy machines barely clinging to life. Whereas while obviously any kind of cancer should be taken serious, his is a type treatable by oral medication that will flare up every once in a while in his life and knock him down a while. So he made his "miraculous sudden recovery" in probably exactly the time period doctors expected him too, to be in remission. It's typical WWE kind of deception by omission.

>>19109765
he was successful but he was nowhere near a GOAT

>>19114754
>Roman is such a shitty worker that he can't throw a worked punch down
What the fuck did Vince see in this guy? Did he make Vince customs on the side? Or did Vince know he was terrible and did it because he had a monopoly at the time and fuck the fans?

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>>19109247
HIAC 2019

>>19115755
thought it’ll be the gif of Seff screaming in the corner with the Fiend in the ring

>>19115139
yeah, he is having it since like 2007
Zack Ryder also has cancer and talked about it, he had a tumor on his leg on the bone which they removed then he got chemotherapy but said the cancerous cells are still in the bone marrow or some shit so it basically come back any time and he has regular check-ups to this day

>>19114641
isnt that what the big ass padded UFC gloves he wore were for?

>>19115831
>wrestler too retarded to hold back a punch to the floor

>>19115065
so many guys careers were pushed aside the past 20 years so him and Cena could be slotted into perpetual main event status. You can go back an apply it to other people certainly, but I feel like neither Roman or Cena deserved it compared to most of their main eventer predecessors. I feel like wrestling could easily be way more popular if they actually pushed people when the audience is clearly vested in them.

>>19114851
Triple H retaining unironically would've been good. Imagine the ensuing few months of him being booked strong against various challengers with Roman sidelined instead of constantly looming over the main-event scene. Seth could have beaten him at Summerslam.

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>>19116088
I swear 2019 WWE was borderline cringekino

>>19115981
This was why I first lost interest in wrestling as a teenager. I was young enough to not dislike Cena, but it became very clear that some wrestlers just wouldn't win the title no matter how much I liked them. When a wrestler I liked did win the title, it was sort of bittersweet because I knew it would be years before I saw the same thing again.

>>19113191
Fucking lmao @ X Pac, he completely buried the finish too

>>19116207
kek how everyone is just there barely talking awkwardly and Sean just loudly shoots on the shitshow

>>19116121
Who should have won though? Carlito?

He never had it, most of the good things in WWF/WWE happened in spite of him not because of him. He didn't book shit like Austin 3:16 that just happened.

>>19113576
>WWE since at least 2005 outside of that small window that HHH and Stephanie got pushed out of
Haven’t heard this one in so long. Makes me nostalgic

>>19114308
It’s nonsensical anyway since the guy mentioned 2001, where Stephanie could not fuck up the show to push HHH since he wasn’t even there for most of the year

>>19117448
ahyessir

>>19115063
The quote about him saying that the people who didn’t like him who were nerds who read comics (probably true kek) when his move is literally called the Superman punch is so funny. Nothing going on in his head

>>19117455
The Super Manpunch

>>19117472
lmfao

>>19117472
I have written it this way for like 9 years

Kane's 1 day WWF Title reign in 1998. Won it the same night of Taker v Mankind HIAC, KOTR 98. Lost it back to Austin the very next day. "Won it" via 1st Blood stip. Never pinned Austin. Just terrible all around

>>19118044
First Blood is a dumber gimmick than winning a cage match by going through the door desu

>>19118044
Very obvious they booked the match then realized there was no way out of it because Kane was completely covered head to toe with a mask to boot, so Austin had no logical way of winning. So he lost then won it right back.

>>19109725
Name five examples of a ref stoppage in a WWE no dq match. Should be easy

>No DQ
>gets DQ'd

>>19113831
It was a Vince decision.
>beat CM Punk
>beat Big Show
Anon...
>losing to Cena is pointless
What? It made Brock look like a chump. The promos and segments leading to the match and then Cena Wins LOL. Bring him back after 8 years and they made him lose after sucking off his UFC achievements.
Taker's also a dumbfuck when he decided to lose to Roman, making him more stupid.

>>19113104
It's really Paul's ego ruining everything.
>>19113339
>>19113353
>listening to Seth
This is the same guy who tells everybody he legit hates Punk in interviews.
Seth is literally one of Paul's biggest supporters too.

>>19117428
Cause it’s true
>>19117442
Stephanie took over creative in 2000 you retard>>19118676
Vince hasn’t had any power since the early 2000s outside of that small period where Hhh And Stephanie who had been controlling everything from behind the scenes got pushed out

>>19109247
Possum King getting booked consistently

>>19118676

>What? It made Brock look like a chump.

Yes this is why his loss against Cena was pointless, why would you bring him back to the WWE and have him lose his first match? Shouldn't it be Cena falling from grace after losing against Rock at Wrestlemania, making it worst by having him lose to Brock at Extreme Rules so they could make a story about him finding his way back on top? I think that would have been a better story but WWE during that time wasn't known in making better stories.