Goldberg never got it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc9EuARvnaA

Asuka should let me have sex with her

>>19144206
He listened to the old carnies too much.

>>19144190
Goldberg inarguably changed wrestling in a way that Asuka could never dream of. This bitch doesn't even know how to talk shit like a pro wrestler would.

>>19144190
>Goldberg buried
What year is this 2024 B.C...

Didn't they have beef like 4 years ago about a streak

>>19144211
Goldberg didn't change jack shit, the person booking for him did.
Fake sport bro. Winning a bunch of scripted contests doesn't make you a great.

>>19144228
I was about to say the same thing.

>>19144211
>A big nosed, small hat wearing boomer typed this

>>19144211
Right when Goldberg was getting pushed more and more Raw finally outdrew Nitro and soon after that they never lost again.
How's that changing wrestling exactly?

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>>19144190
Her streak was fucking pointless. She was a veteran beating up developmental wrestlers. Once she got to the main roster she loses to Charles. They broke Goldberg’s streak just to bury Asuka the whole time. Only streak worth less is these NXT UK title reigns that went forever because no one gave a shit.

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>>19144211
lmao
how's that ceasefire going for ya

>>19144211
Shitberg did nothing, only WCWfags shills him hard
Brock Lesnar was ALWAYS the game changer as Stone Cold and Cena

>>19144211
Goldberg was white hot for about a year of WCWs run and become irrelevant after losing the belt

>>19144228
>Goldberg didn't change jack shit, the person booking for him did.
im sure mustafa ali would have been just as popular lmao

>>19144190
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>>19144190
Don’t like Goldberg but Asuka just typing word salad doesn’t make me like her either.
I don’t watch watching so it’s not my problem in the end

>>19144250
kek you're probably right because who else even still gives a fuck about goldberg? im old enough to remember when goldberg was on his hot streak in WCW and he actually was very popular for a short time. but then everyone kinda figured out that he was not particularly good and that popularity went off a cliff. I really think WCW only pushed him to make the network jews happy.

She sounds like an antisemite.

>>19144228
smarks actually believe this. they genuinely believe if wrath had the same booking he would have been as popular as goldberg. they clearly weren't old enough to watch. goldberg had tons of charisma, he did a bunch of cool moves, and he invented the spear. fans were popping huge for him when the streak was barely a thing and he was still fighting jobbers. goldberg got the streak over, not the other way around. people were going nuts for him by the time he faced raven. until that point his biggest win was perry saturn or something. underage people don't even realise nobody was doing the spear before goldberg. goldberg was a whole new type of powerhouse wrestler. he was agile and explosive. from his very first match on nitro you could tell he had it

>>19145286
No one cares about that bald faggot and his little fake winning streak, and he lost the war to the fed because he was an antidraw as champion

>>19145286
the spear is just a football tackle, he didn't invent that. he just renamed it and claimed credit. typical semite trick. so glad that gunther took care of him properly.

>>19144831
Not what I said.
He was no Hogan or Flair or Lou Thesz or even a Steve Austin. He's not one of the legends of the business. He's a guy with a great build with some good moves who got a huge push.
He never contributed anything else back to the business.
>>19145286
I didn't downplay Goldberg's role as a character. But Chael Sonnen said it best (>>19144206), the dude treated it like a shoot and did not understand how to actually *work*. Watch that video if you don't understand what I'm saying.
Dude got what was coming to him when they cut his mike during his retirement speech.
There's being a smark and there's being a complete mark. Buying the hype off a guy because of the way he was booked is the latter.

>>19144713
Scott never missed, I miss him bros.

>>19145331
you sound like a mark yourself. goldberg was huge and strong as fuck. wcw did something right for once and pushed him to the moon, thats it

>>19144190
Goldberg ain't recovering from this burial

>>19145375
Did I say they made a mistake in pushing him? You need to learn how to read and address the arguments people are making and not the arguments you make up in your head.
Do you not understand that someone can be a great character in a wrestling show and it doesn't necessarily make them a great wrestler?
Who did Goldberg ever put over besides Goldberg? What did he ever give back to the business himself?
He had to be tricked into giving the rub to Gunther, and even then he insisted that it had to have a dirty finish.
This is a fake sport. Winning streaks mean nothing. Yes, it was a great angle. But Goldberg was just the central figure in that - he didn't come up with it, he's not the one who made it a reality. Flair put guys over. Shit, Hogan put over Goldberg. What did Goldberg ever give back?

>>19144211
The fuck did Goldberg change?

>>19145331
I agree with what you're saying, but I blame WCW for a lot of it. The whole company culture was backstabbing selfishness. The NWO guys weren't going to help him learn anything. And the other green guys were angry at his push. He was pretty much tossed in the shark tank.

>>19145430
Yeah, I don't mean to sound as harsh as I might be coming across. Goldberg was one of my favorites back in the day - I was WCW all the way until around 2001.
But he's not as big a legend as he seems to have himself built up in his head I guess is what I'm saying. Like, he could have agreed to let Gunther go over him clean and could have actually sold for his chops instead of just laughing them off.
He didn't because it's not something he ever really ever had to do - like Sonnen says in the video, "Oh, you don't know how to do that.".

>>19145410
no lies detected. turdberg did nothing to deserve what he got. they could have done the same thing with any well-built guy from that time. So glad Jericho beat his ass lol.

>>19145430
the entire WCW locker room wass full on drugs, roids, wrestlers sleeping with a certain turner female executive for more booking and all went to WWE after it fucked, a good example being the radicals who left ECW sober and went to WWF with 50 variants of drug addiction because of the locker room culture.

>>19144190
only obese smarks rate asuka, a japanese cunt who can't even speak english, needs a chatbot to post in english

Goldberg > Asuka

>>19145928
You say that, but I also bet you bitch that workers don't sell anymore.
Guess who started that trend. Bill Fucking Goldberg.
A good wrestler does more than win. He also knows how to sell and put other workers over instead of ending them. He was a shitter who would have amounted to nothing if it hadn't all been handed to him via strong booking and that's a shoot.

>>19145957
Yeah and on the subject of Bret Hart, he does complain too much but he's right to be pissed at Goldberg. Goldberg ended his career with a sloppy unsafe kick. He has every right to be mad about that. Yeah Bret should have taken time off after that but the kick was still the start of the problem.

>>19145982
I'll add that, yes, Goldberg accomplished more than Asuka did and was a bigger draw than she'll ever be. That's not something that can be argued again.
But know what Asuka did that Goldberg didn't? She paid her damn dues in the business. And Goldberg paved the way for a bunch of workers who never paid any dues who just expected everything to be handed to them based on looking the part.
Yeah, he was dimes. But he was also arguably the starting point of a lot of bad trends.

>>19144211
Okay I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt.

In what way did Goldberg change wrestling? Before you answer, I have to informyou that squash matches already existed since the 70s. So what was it so big that Goldberg did that changed wrestling? I'll wait.

>>19145957
who cares about that? My point is that Asuka has never been relevant to the wrestling world except for joshi pedo smarks and edrones pigs.

Of course Goldberg is bigger and will be bigger than Asuka no matter what record or title "chases after her", her "art" doesn't draw or move the needle like Goldberg did, no one has ever said "omg Asuka is wrestling tonight, lets watch WWE"

The only reason she had that stupid record was to bury goldberg's one

the jew fears the samurai

>>19146001
He reinvented the squash match and brought a sense of legitimacy, people thought his matches were real. Whether or not he hurt his opponents (which he did) and if he was a total cunt backstage (which he was), he did something nobody before him was able to do except maybe Bruiser Brody or Vader.

>>19145286
>they genuinely believe if wrath had the same booking he would have been as popular as goldberg
Correct

>>19146030
You care about it, you just don't realize you care about it.
Everyone can't be "Bill Goldberg". "Bill Goldberg" is all Goldberg ever got over.
A good wrestler can make his opponent look like a million bucks even if he's not particularly good. The midcards of WWF and WCW were full of better wrestlers than Goldberg. And I don't mean better in terms of Cagematch/modern day smark knob polishing- I mean guys who could actually get themselves and their opponents over on their own merits and not purely based on booking.
Are you sick of guys who only go into business for themselves and cry when asked to put others over (think guys like Miro)? It's Goldberg who made that trend acceptable in the modern wrestling world. You look at his worst aspects, like getting his shit in and no selling and the ways in which he put himself before the business and you can see them in every shitter in the ring that you dump on today.
He normalized that crap. This is why paying dues matters.

>>19146091
Don't take merit for Goldberg either, everyone in this thread is like "well anybody could get over with that booking", one of the most important features if not the most important feature in a wrestling is charisma, Goldberg whenever you like him or not, had charisma, that is what gets over a wrestling in this biz, is what turns them into a superstar, doesn't matter if you're the best worker on the planet, if you don't have charisma you're done.

If it was just by the booking then every big guy that Vince tried to make happen would've got over and every big man in every company who tried to copy Goldberg formula would've worked.

>Are you sick of guys who only go into business for themselves and cry when asked to put others over (think guys like Miro)
For me in this biz, like every business to be fair, you gotta be ruthless, sadly TK is learning the hardway that you cant be a nice and correct boss all the time, you just see what happened to Miro when Vince was in charge, I bet he was always like that, questioning why he should lose to X and Y, no wonder Vince put him into those cuck storylines

You can have an ego but you gotta have the drawing power to back it up, thats why Goldberg can talk and bury others

>>19146000
a fair response, I don't agree entirely but i appreciate your civility.

>>19146068
He did have similar booking and he did not in fact get over.

>>19144228
18+
Nobody could have carried the streak, or the general Goldberg character better than Bill Goldberg. Maybe Lesnar. It was the charisma, the athleticism. Wrestling wasn't what it is now, nobody cared about flips or weird lil guys. The vanilla midgets arent wrestling lore. They actually existed while Goldberg reigned. Women were eye candy. A 6'5, 260 pound guy doing backflips and lifting even bigger guys all while having actual charisma? Was a real draw. Ayame toyota was just part of the opening match battle royal at the time, please understand

>>19146199
Yeah, and to be clear, I'm not picking a fight here. I'm not even saying you can't be a fan of Goldberg. The streak was a great storyline. Made WCW a lot of money. Goldberg was over on a level many will never achieve.
But would Goldberg have been Goldberg had he not been booked that way? Probably not. He was an idea, a character - it wasn't something he achieved on his own. It's like thinking Tony Khan is a successful businessman because he owns the second biggest wrestling company in the world - no, that was handed to him. It was an accident - not an accident in the sense of a random occurrence but rather by fact that it was due to something largely out of his control.
To Goldberg's credit, yes, he ran with it. Not everyone could have pulled it off - as mentioned elsewhere, Wrath couldn't. But he was a character - when you booked Goldberg, you weren't hiring a skill set but rather an aura that was largely built for him. He could have just as well been an admittedly charismatic big guy on the midcard.
But he didn't *really* get himself over. Hulk Hogan got himself over. Ric Flair got himself over as well. Steve Austin - he grabbed the brass ring, nothing was handed to him. To me, that's what makes a great - someone who achieves greatness regardless of what they're given.
Like Asuka or dislike Asuka, she's gotten herself over. Sure, she had her streak, but she's not where she is because of that. And that's what this business is built on, people who can get themselves over regardless of booking.

>>19146334
>18+
Why did you have to go and spoil what otherwise might have been a decent comment with petty jabs.
I wrote that post. And to be clear, not once in this thread have I defended flippy indy vanilla midget shitters. But you need to understand that Goldberg paved the way for that to some extent, guys who think they can make it in the business if only they're given the right "push" regardless of actual talent in the ring.
Goldberg lacked talent. No, no one else could do that and, yes, he was charismatic enough to pull it off. But can you honestly state, with the skill set that Goldberg exhibited throughout his career, that he would have gotten to where he was by his own merit? It was handed to him, much like Tony was handed more money than you'll see in your life to start his company.
Would you take business advice from Tony Khan? If you were a pro-wrestler, would you honestly take wrestling advice from Bill Goldberg?

>>19146148
Sorry, didn't see this earlier.
Yes, you absolutely have to look out for yourself. But you also look out for the business. You listen to any of the old timers not named Bill Goldberg and they tell you that.
No, not everyone could have done what Goldberg did. But let's look at what his booking accomplished. Yes, on the one hand, it created one of the biggest draws on the WCW roster. But how much oxygen was sucked out of the company because of that push - if they hadn't handed it over to Goldberg, who's to say that they might not have been able to build six guys in his place, much like WWF was doing at the same time. But it's hard to build a group of talent when all the focus is on one guy, when that one guy is going to bury anyone else he's put up against no question. And when that one guy doesn't know how to put anyone else over, it actively becomes a problem.
WCW might have survived if it had built other guys at the time when it built Goldberg. It was the lack of talent that made them bring in Russo, who arguably paved the beginning of the end by leaning into an edginess that wasn't part of the WCW vibe that made it so popular in the first place. What Russo was trying to do was fill that main event talent gap. But it was much too quick; talent is best established relatively slowly, and meanwhile his ideas were a train wreck.
It's great that you enjoy Goldberg. But pretending that Goldberg somehow achieved his own success is being a mark. It was handed to him. Yes, he ran with it, and not everyone could. But, again, would you take career advice from Goldberg? The only advice he could offer you is, "Hey, get someone to give you a big push then no sell everyone you work with." As you've pointed out, not everyone can do that even handed the push.

>>19145410
Your argument is retarded because you think being a good wrestler is putting people over. Let's go to the airport and put Goldberg next to Asuka, let's see what happens

>>19146814
You are retarded because you obviously lack reading comprehension given that's not what I was saying at all.

>>19144228
He basically carried WCW in 1998. Their fall in 1999 would have happened a year earlier if they company didn't luck into Goldberg.

>>19147478
The gimmick carried WCW.
The mistake people make is identifying the gimmick with the man.
With Goldberg's wheelhouse, if he hadn't been booked as a powerhouse he would have been a midcarder at best.
Arguing that Goldberg is a great wrestler because he was handed a great winning streak is like arguing Tony Khan is a great businessman because he was handed the second biggest company in the industry. The difference is that Goldberg was able to run with that ball while Tony dropped it but let's not pretend Goldberg would have gotten to where he did on his own merits without the booking.
And meanwhile, Goldberg's booking probably played a sizeable role in WCW's inability to build other talents given that he basically sucked the oxygen out of the company. You couldn't get anyone else over with someone that dominant.

>>19144190
auska in everyway possible is better than goldBERG

>>19147499
No. Bill Goldberg being a dynamic athlete with physical charisma and doing power moves with intensity carried the gimmick. There's a reason every attempt to copy his streak, from Bobby Lashley to Crimson, all failed miserably.

FPBP really.
Anyone arguing with anything I've said should watch that video first.
Goldberg never got this business. The sign of whether someone is good in their field is whether you can ask them for career advice. If you were a pro-wrestler and asked Hulk Hogan for career advice, he'd probably give you some excellent pointers. Same goes for Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, and a number of names just as big as Goldberg's.
If you asked Goldberg for advice, the only thing he can tell you is, "never get booked to lose and no sell everything," because that's all he ever did. See how far that advice takes you.

TO ALL JUDGES

>>19147515
Where did I argue that you could copy that gimmick?
Hint: I didn't.
No one else could have pulled off the gimmick. But what you're missing is this: where would Goldberg have been *without* the gimmick?
Where would Tony Khan be *without* the money given to him by his father?

>>19144208
this but me instead

>>19147517
He got extremely lucky and if he was a moment late or a moment early, no one would have cared about him.

>>19147539
Yes, exactly.
People keep arguing with arguments I'm not making. I didn't say he's not dimes. I didn't even say he's not way more dimes than Asuka will ever be.
My point is that he had it all handed to him. He didn't do it on his own. He didn't pay his dues. He was given a gimmick, lived that gimmick, and that's it.
He never learned how the wrestling business itself actually worked. He's not a great wrestler - he's an athlete that was written at one who would have never have made it had circumstances not put him in the position he was.
He ran with the gimmick but without the gimmick he would have been nothing.
Asuka isn't as popular as Goldberg and never will be. But fuck man, if you think she doesn't understand the actual business more than Goldberg or understand that she paid her dues in ways Goldberg never did then you are a complete mark in the worst sense of the term.

>>19147561
Goldberg's approach to business could be compared to strip-mining: take all you can and give nothing back. And we all know he only got the opportunity to do that as a result of jew privilege.

>>19147608
Absolutely. And the part that amazes me is that people can't see that the damage he did is in part responsible for a considerable chunk of why things are so bad now. "Oh, it doesn't matter if he gave anything back," - yeah, it does, that's part of why things are shit now. The wrestling of tomorrow being good relied on the talents of yesterday giving back and building up those who come after them. Goldberg wouldn't have been dimes if so many other guys, including Hogan himself, hadn't put him over. And if Goldberg had put over others in return instead of going over them they would have been bigger as well instead of just being second tier guys who existed in his shadow who, no matter what they do, wind up taking the pin when The Man decides to come around.
And he didn't even earn the right to do that, it was given to him. And people here are trying to argue it's fine yet they bitch constantly about the consequences without knowing it's a big part of the cause.

>>19144190
holy shit oldberg is a faggot and a self mark
>yeah I was a shitter my whole career but because I'm jewish they gave me a fake win streak, really double fake because it wasn't even 173 and 0.
like he really cares that much about fake wins that he's upset Asuka broke his record?

>>19147658
a lot of it just comes down to selfishness, I think. People like that don't care about giving anything back, it's just a money grab for them. In a better world, people like that would be filtered out but here we are i guess. In any case, don't let these untermensch get you down brother.

>>19147667
Goldberg thought it was all real, to an extent. I mean, intellectually he knew it was a work but he was a self-mark.
That streak was his gimmick. It as all he had and what he built his entire life around. It's like Al Bundy scoring 4 touch downs. Attacking that streak was like an attack on him personally - he does not understand that it's just a plot point in a storyline, not a personal accomplishment.
He's not a great, he's a mark. A mark that drew, a mark that was dimes, but he didn't personally accomplish anything - he didn't actually win 173 legitimate wrestling contests, it was just a storyline in a show.

>>19144713
>>19145343
Scott was so fucking based he would just openly hit on any hot women who was old enough that he knew no one would bitch about it. It's like that Bubba Ray podcast vid where he googled how old Kairi was mid rant and then just started talking about how hot Kairi was when he saw that she was over 30

>>19147672
>don't let these untermensch get you down brother
Based, I do my best. Agreed on all accounts of what you said.

>>19144725
ok? both are made up fake streaks during predetermined play fights

>>19147704
Exactly.
The same people who defend Goldberg on this are those who claim to be anti-smarks - but come on, you're defending a fucking tv show script that a guy has decided is his whole life.
I mentioned Al Bundy and the 4 touchdowns during a game back in high school. It would be as though Ed O'Neill took personal offense to some actor's character in another show making 5 touchdowns.

>>19147528
>No one else could have pulled off the gimmick. But what you're missing is this: where would Goldberg have been *without* the gimmick?
What a fucking stupid argument to try and make where would any top guys be without their gimmick that finally worked? Would Steve Austin have hit the heights he did if he persisted with the ringmaster or Stunning Steve Austin? What about Kane if he stayed Dr Isaac Yankem? Where would Booker T be if he spent the rest of his career as GI Bro? You can't separate the gimmick from the man and try and say he wouldn't have had any success without it because that's not the reality we live in.

>>19147725
The gimmicks in the examples you cite are characters that the people played. They succeeded and failed on the wrestler's merit. The wrestlers were pushed because they got the gimmicks over.
Goldberg's gimmick WAS the push.
Don't call my arguments stupid when you obviously lack the brainpower to understand what is being said. If you can't understand the difference between getting a gimmick over and getting a push as a result versus your entire gimmick being the push (without having earned it), I sure as fuck am not going to be able to smarten you up.
Don't come in with guns blazing next time, you're making a fool of yourself because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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HEIL to the slayer of goldberg. At least there was a happy ending to this story.

>>19147742
People have already pointed out to you that streak gimmicks haven't worked in the past with anyone but Goldberg. You've willfully ignored it. Goldberg got the streak over with his presence, his charisma and having a powerhouse moveset that sold him as an unstoppable monster.

Your arguments are stupid just like you because you are a disingenuous little weasel who doesn't understand you can't separate the man from their gimmicks because it takes the right gimmick to the right person to get someone to Goldberg level fanfare.

>>19147744
Goldberg couldn't even put the guy over clean.
You have guys like Goldberg who don't bother to put younger talent over then people wonder why those younger guys aren't as great as the Goldbergs of the business.
Well, it's because Goldberg was never willing to take the L so, yeah, the younger guys are stuck in that second tier. That's why you usually job the big guys out to the younger talents at some point instead of having the older talents drop in from time to time to kick their asses - you want to establish the younger guys' credibility.
Goldberg never had to do that during his career and he had to be tricked into doing it at the very end.

>>19147752
Your charged personal attacks tell me you're just trolling. I'm not interested in discussing this any further with you.

>>19147760
Just like i thought, you start with personal attacks and then run when confronted with something you can't address. Typical of a retarded weasel. Go back to your tranny boards you little faggot.

>>19147767
Thank you for confirming my suspicion.

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its a wonder he still doesn't get it
all of his "accomplishments" are meaningless and could have been achieved by literal sock puppets for what they are worth
creatively he did nothing but put on the same match a few hundred times

>>19147754
all true, I can't argue with a word of that. I am glad that he finally got tricked into putting at least one guy over though, even if it wasn't clean. Now that you mention it, I cannot recall a single instance in which goldberg put ANYONE over cleanly at all. Even when Nash broke the streak, there was some fuckery involved. fuck, did goldberg ever put anyone over clean at all? even once?

>>19147798
>fuck, did goldberg ever put anyone over clean at all? even once?
Not that I can recall.
People can dismiss that, but it's the thing the entire business is built on. Younger guys overcome the legends of the generation that preceded theirs. If they live in the older generation's shadow it's natural that people will decide they're "not as good."
No one was ever allowed to be "as good" as Goldberg. That's why we have posters slobbering on his knob in this thread - he's a great in their minds because no one was allowed to shine above him. Always second rate behind him.
And that's part of why wrestling sucks now.

>>19147798
He put over Strowman, Reigns and Lesnar clean.

>>19147815
>Not that I can recall.
Of course you can't because you're a lying little weasel.

>>19147816
Everyone in WWE had to put over Reigns and Lesnar though, in fact I would actually consider Reigns to be worse than Goldberg in that department.

>>19147816
Good points. I'd argue that Lesnar was already on his level. But Strowman and Reigns are good examples (Strowman being the better example given Reigns's Chosen One status).
I stand corrected on that.

>>19147858
Still, even Hogan put over more people than Goldberg, and Hogan was a much bigger deal. There's a great deal of resentment against Goldberg in the business for not doing what everyone else saw as part of the job.

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>>19147963
Yeah let's take a look at their win-loss records. Here is Goldberg's:
http://www.profightdb.com/winlossrecord/bill-goldberg-365.html

and here is Hogan's
http://www.profightdb.com/winlossrecord/hulk-hogan-19.html

Goldberg's total win% was 70% for PPV matches and 85% for non-PPV matches. Hogan's total win% was 61% for PPV matches and 67% for non-PPV matches. So we have a range of 70-85% for Goldberg and 61-67% for Hogan. So yeah, Hogan put over significantly more people than Goldberg despite having a longer career and being a MUCH bigger star. Goldberg is miles away from Hogan's level in terms of popularity, ability, and total impact on the business. And yet, Hogan put more people over. So yeah the criticism still stands. Also, if it weren't for his WWE run, Goldberg's win% would be 86-100%!!!! That is absolutely ridiculous and there is no excuse good enough for it.

>>19144190
kwaberg

>>19144208
Stop quoting me dude

>>19146001
He kicked bret in the head which led to most indie shitters adopting and furthering hbk's wrestling style over the years
Goldberg is responsible for young cucks

>>19150048
This, it can't be overstated how much Goldberg paved the way for the shitter nonsense we see today.
He got away with it so a bunch of people with less charisma though they could get away with it too without understanding why he got away with it.
As for Goldberg, I'd have no problem with him if he had the humility to understand that he was no genius of the wrestling business and never had to do any of the things that are required of practically every other worker in the business. Things that are required precisely because they keep the business good.
He paved the way for a bunch of indy shitters to say, "Goldberg didn't do shit and look where he got, well, I'm more talented than him so give me a push and I'll shine brighter," without even understanding why Goldberg made it. And even Goldberg never understood that, he's practically the original indy guy.

>>19144725
Goldberg's streak was pointless. They built him up that long to put over Kevin Nash?

>>19150106
NTA but it's different. Goldberg's streak really was one of a kind at the time. Throw in the fact that it was happening on the most watched company versus wrestling school for the most watched company and, yeah, his streak really did matter in a way that Asuka's didn't (given most of the RAW/Smackdown fans don't care what she might have done in NXT).

>>19150106
that was a really silly decision, to be sure. they could have used that big win to put over someone who actually needed it instead of Nash .

>>19150131
Nash was pretty over at the time though, given Wolfpac's popularity.
And the streak wasn't really "ended", since Goldberg didn't lose clean. You couldn't count wins after that because he lost but it's not like Nash beat him in a straight up match - there was a taser involved.

>>19150150
Well, that's what I mean, Nash was already pretty over at the time so he didn't really need that big win. Just being a core member of the NWO made him a big deal anyway.

>>19150167
Knowing Goldberg, it might have partially had something to do that he didn't *want* to lose to someone beneath him at that point, losing to one of the guys running things backstage might have been the only way to get him to go along with it and remain happy.
Remember, this is a guy who didn't want to put anyone over. Losing to Nash in a dirty finish isn't *really* putting anyone over.

>>19150177
He sold for that cattle prod and got that over but that's about it.

>>19150177
yeah I'll concede that point, I guess the win didn't really elevate Nash much, and the dirty taser finish was probably why.

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>>19150180
He apparently didn't even want to put over that particular cattle prod originally.
Supposedly, Goldberg originally wanted a bigger, more badass cattle prod to be used.
https://whatculture.com/wwe/wcw-refused-to-do-goldbergs-crazy-streak-ending-pitch

>>19150150
>the streak wasn't really "ended", since Goldberg didn't lose clean.
Every finish in the attitude era was 'unclean' by this standard.

>>19150210
He's such a fucking joke lmao

>>19150228
True which is why it was unsustainable

>>19144210
the carnies sold tickets and put asses in seats. The modern shit is just stock price nonsense and being subsidized by billionaires.

>>19150285
just imagine those backstage discussions, goldberg was probably losing his shit at the prospect of losing to anything short of an act of god. im sure it was a veritable showcase of jew privilege.

>>19144190
Well, damn
Bret Hart might not know who Iyo is but I'm sure he'll know who Asuka is after this, kek

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>>19144208
Can you not steal my original thoughts please

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>>19145222
>sounds like

>>19144190
Based Empress

>>19150831
I didn't know Asuka was based like that

>>19150801
MILF

>>19150831
wtf i love asuka now

>>19146001
He was packaged very well. He wasn't a good talker and Eric Bischoff joked that he was going to make Goldberg pay $1000 per word he said on TV. People could read into Goldberg whatever they wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QmFmD5r7eg
His entrances built up anticipation, so it was a squash match but you saw Goldberg surrounded by Cops being escorted into the ring, with the crowd chanting "GOLDBERG, GOLDBERG".
It was like hearing the glass shatter and stone cold popping up in WWF

>>19151718
except that stone cold paid his dues and earned his spot, unlike nepoberg. he spent years grinding and learning in World Class, WCW and ECW before he got his big break. jews never have to earn anything, just look at meltzer for an example of that.

>>19151757
Yeah, so what happens when you have people pay their dues and spend years grinding?
You have people like Joe Hendry or LA Knight who are overnight successes 40 years in the making. They're not a new product at that point people are tired of them

>>19151757
Goldberg's success has nothing to do with nepotism. Stop using words when you don't know what they mean.

>>19151774
Not everyone who pays their dues makes it to the big time. That's just life and it works that way in every business.
But, in this business, everyone who made it paid their dues. Except Goldberg.

>>19152053
Bret don't you have a podcast to whine about goldberg on? You've sunk to new lows if this is the only place you feel anyone wants to listen to you

>>19152079
I suppose that deflecting instead of addressing the actual argument that was made is one way to admit you don't have a very strong counter-argument.

>>19152043
Yes it does, he got special opportunities because he is a jew. It's tribal nepotism rather than family nepotism but it's the same problem with the same results.

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>OY VEY MISTA BISCHOFF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH JEW WRESTLERS
>HEY GOYIM WE FOUND THIS BIG JEW FOOTBALL PLAYER, SO HIRE HIM AND MAKE SURE HE ALWAYS WINS, YOU FILTHY GOYIM!

>>19152109
Yea bro, prominant Jewish business men like Ted Turner and famously Jewish bookers like Eric Bischoff pushed Goldberg to the moon because of his Jewish connections and not because he was a former NFL player

>>19152148
>doesn't understand who was actually running the network itself
I would think you'd figure that out, after they jew'd Turner out of his company with a bad merger (JUST LIKE THEY DID TO VINCE, by the way).

>>19152161
The executives had no say over the way Ted ran WCW because he didn't care about it losing money. It was just his way of big leaguing Vince

>>19152097
There is no argument. It's just you've got into your feelings that paying your dues in wrestling is important and because he didn't that makes him the worst person in the world.

>>19152188
I never said he was the worst person in the world, anon.
I like Goldberg. I enjoyed watching his streak back when I was a high school kid in the late 90s. I preferred him over Austin. He was dimes.
But the point is that he didn't get to where he was because he was a good wrestler or because he had any great insight into the business. To me, that makes him a character, not a "great wrestler." As stated earlier in this thread, if you were a wrestler and asked Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin for advice, they'd probably give you some great pointers because they understand how the wrestling world really works. Goldberg couldn't.
It's okay to like a guy and also understand that he's quite flawed. His character was one of the greats but Goldberg himself as a person wasn't.

>>19152214
Goldberg had a career spanning longer than 99% of all wrestlers, of course he understands how the business works and could give advice. Bronn Breakker credits Goldberg as giving him advice.

>>19152181
they fucked turner from within, just like they did with vince. simple as.

>>19152263
>bron botcher
not much of a flex.

>>19152263
A huge part of this business is putting over your fellow workers when called upon to do it without complaint. Putting in the grind. Getting yourself over when you have nothing to work with but your skills and your mic abilities. The stuff you see on camera, the "winning" is all surface level stuff.
Exactly what advice is Goldberg going to give anyone in those areas.
The man didn't even understand that his last match wasn't really a "retirement match." >>19144206

>>19152277
So you think Goldberg couldn't give tips on character work, presentation, keeping fit etc. You obviously have a skewed perception of what matters in wrestling. Logan Paul never paid any of his dues either but he has a better understanding of being a wrestling than the majority of people who have done it their entire lives.

>>19152298
logan paul has already put more people over than turdberg

>>19152311
So is your grievance that he didn't job enough or that he didn't stick around and give advice to everyone? You keep flip flopping between topics it's hard to understand that your problem isn't just that you think he's an asshole

>>19152348
lol you're arguing with more than one person. you didn't realize that?

>>19144914
It also got Heenan to drop the heel act and cheer for Goldberg whenever he was on tv. Wtf lol.

>>19152298
So, if you're an up-and-coming pro-wrestler, would you take career advice from Logan Paul?
Do you not understand that neither of these guys established themselves the normal way you get established in this business and are disconnected from many of the realities involved in doing that?
Yes, sure, Goldberg could give you some nice pointers on a few things. I didn't argue otherwise. But, again, he never put in the grind. He doesn't understand on a fundamental level what goes into that. Neither did Logan Paul, for that matter.
The only advice they could give you is, "Go in already successful." It's like taking business advice from the owner of the second biggest pro-wrestling company in the world, "Just be born in a billionaire family."
Do you not see how nonsensical that is. You're not going to be handed the push Goldberg got handed. You're not going to be handed the push Logan Paul got handed. Yes, they can give you little pointers on things but they're not going to be able to tell you how to get yourself over when the booker has you slated to lose for the next several months and minimal mic time. They're not going to give you advice to get on the booker's good side - it just can't happen because it's not a skill set they ever had to exercise, unlike 99.9% of the other talent out there.
They never had to learn the basic ropes.

>>19152406
>if you were a wrestler and asked Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin for advice, they'd probably give you some great pointers because they understand how the wrestling world really works. Goldberg couldn't.
Literally said that you don't think Goldberg could give advice. He has and he could.

You'd be insane not to take advice from someone like Logan Paul if you were in a position as an up and comer, his advice on presentation, mic work, marketing your character would go a lot further in getting you to the top of a company than spending years molested by your father in a dungeon or breaking your neck on the indy scene for hot dogs. I bet you love guys like Dean Malenko and Lance Storm but they wouldn't be able to give you any advice on how to get over because they were never able to do it either. So no, learning basic ropes doesn't matter nearly as much as you want to believe it does.

>>19152607
>You'd be insane not to take advice from someone like Logan Paul if you were in a position as an up and comer, his advice on presentation, mic work, marketing your character would go a lot further in getting you to the top of a company than spending years molested by your father in a dungeon or breaking your neck on the indy scene for hot dogs. I bet you love guys like Dean Malenko and Lance Storm but they wouldn't be able to give you any advice on how to get over because they were never able to do it either. So no, learning basic ropes doesn't matter nearly as much as you want to believe it does.
This part of your comment tells me you really don't understand what I'm talking about.
I'm not talking about ring skills. I'm talking exactly about the "up and comer" shit, which is where 99% of people find themselves their entire wrestling career. Learning how to take a loss. Learning how to recover your image after taking a loss. Learning how to work a crowd when you have short matches in the middle of the show and are going to get the pin and aren't given much mice time. I'm talking about the *business* side of things when you're not put in the spotlight out the gate.
Logal Paul can tell you how to give a great promo. Absolutely. Guess what. You're not getting the mic time to give that promo because the booker decided you haven't *earned* it yet. How the fuck is Logal Paul or Goldberg going to teach you to convince the booker to give you time when they never had to do it themselves.
This isn't Dean Malenko/Lance Storm shit. This is shit that Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Steve Austin, Sting, pretty much any great you can thing of had to understand and know how to work to get to where they are. It works this way in any business - most people aren't just given an opportunity to shine, they have to earn it.
No one hands you opportunities on a silver platter. You have to pay your dues and put in the grind to get them because you ain't Goldberg and you ain't Logan Paul

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>>19145421
>The fuck did Goldberg change?
Bret Hart's mental condition.

>>19152685
The crux of your argument is that Goldberg wasn't over, the streak was. Which is nonsense because multiple people have run streak gimmicks and not had success with it and it never meant anything. Goldbergs worked because of his charisma, presence and yes, his actual in-ring work contributed whether smarks like you want to believe it or not. A good wrestler is the combination of their gimmick and their ability and you can't separate the two because almost no one has run with the same gimmick from day one and had a notable career.

>>19152822
No. You latched onto that but that was only part of my argument.
My argument is that Goldberg understands part of the business *extremely well* and is very blind to many other aspects of it that he never had to deal with. And those are the aspects pretty much every other pro-wrestler, including Asuka, had to master very well because they wouldn't have gotten to where they did without understanding them.
Not talking about in-ring stuff. Talking about out-of-ring stuff that are part of the grind. Not the "winning and losing matches" grind that you see on TV. The actually-being-a-pro-wrestler grind that you put in when one wrong step can sink you.
Have you ever heard the saying, "Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple."? That describes Goldberg and Logan to a T.
They couldn't tell you how to *actually* get to third base. Asuka, on the other hand, could.

>>19152878
You're not making any real arguments and are simply muddying the waters by flip flopping. Goldberg is saying this stuff about Asuka because he's a bitter old fuck like many other wrestlers and who takes his gimmick too seriously just like Undertaker and i would say Asuka takes her too seriously too by saying her shit is art.

What you're saying is absolute nonsense because you're discrediting why Goldberg and Paul characters work as wrestlers and its their charisma and presentation. Goldberg didn't start his streak with a massive presentation and made as a big deal. He didn't even get an entrance. He got over organically over the weeks through his powerhouse moveset and his charisma and character work. Thinking the streak was what got him over is revisionist history from people who never even watched.

>>19153127
Sounds like we're just talking past each other then.
Perhaps we'd both better move on.

>Goldberg buried on Raw tonight
BASADO

>>19153147
Its a good idea to just admit you don't know what you're trying to say and accept you're wrong.

>>19153178
See, a reasonable person would take my olive branch, accept it, agree to disagree, and part on good terms from what was otherwise an interesting conversation.
The fact that you're trying to twist a concession tells me you're either arrogant or just trolling at this point. Not someone worth conversing with any further.

>>19153127
You are insanely fucking retarded if you can't figure out the difference between a 50/50 win record wrestler getting over through competitive matches, vs a green as goose shit former football player being fed a litany wins over established WCW stars in <3 minutes

>>19153207
Go cry into your soi about it. You're running from the argument because you know that you're wrong while i've been right about everything because im not overly emotional about wrestling like you seem to be

>>19153241
If I'm the one's who's crying, why are you the one who's obviously rip-roaring mad dude.
Gain some self-awareness, lose some weight, and get a fucking clue.

>>19153237
Do you have an actual point to make?

>>19153262
Bret, you need to calm down. Your career is done and more people respect Goldberg than you.

>>19153277
Cut you so deep, you have to fagpost instead of responding. Typical soibitch behavior.

https://x.com/WWE/status/1982973727336792369

>>19153355
Yassss speak your truth queen.

>>19147287
Yes it is you lying faggot

>>19144190
I'm a fan of Asuka and all, but honestly her streak is mostly forgotten about and WWE rarely ever brings it up. Meanwhile The Streak is basically the highlight of Goldberg's wrestling career. Once The Streak ended, all of the mystique behind him was gone because he was totally exposed as unable to work a match longer than 2 minutes.

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Piss on this Jew
https://youtu.be/P-OvS55UcTo?si=-iFjekuAET7ieQyX

>>19153425
no lies detected, despite what the braindead goldberg mark in this thread keeps trying to argue

>>19144190
kek yeah Goldberg is wrecked at this point. I've always been a fan since my childhood but there is just no defending him being this much of a bitter jewish bitch at this point. He really should have just accepted WWE giving him that retirement and moved on. He's enough of a draw that he could have had some business man out there help him to have a better retirement match if he really wanted it but I guess he's too prideful for that being a kike and all. Live long enough to see your heroes become the villain (or always was since he is jew).

>>19153722
agreed, i am so glad that my last image of goldberg was him getting beaten by a nazi. lol. And I just want to say that Jericho was right all along to call him "greenberg" because he literally stayed green for his whole career.

>>19153984
>>19154106
Same, fuck goldBERG.

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>>19154106
>>19153722
>>19154347

>>19154370
kek, that's more over with me than some jew's scripted winning streak gimmick by a long run

>>19154370
heil based asuka, mistress of the reich

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>>19154370
not a Single stalk of hair
not one.

Bill Goldberg lost

>>19147686
Kek, was that recent?