Where do you rank him?
456th
17th
>>19478459below Gunther17 don't mean shit
>>19478459Kayfabe wise? #1
>>19478459One of the best, very high on my list.
>>19478459Higher if he would say the word like Hogan did
>>19478459Retired/5
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>>19478459John Cena is essentially Goku. So #1.
>>19478459He’s on the Mount Rushmore for sure. Hogan, Him, Rock, and Austin.
>>19478459This retirement run legitimately hurt his rep.
#1 if he says the word publicly
I never saw him as some all-time great. A babyface who got booed over and over. A guy like Austin thought his run was getting tired so he turned heel. Edge got booed as a babyface, realized he had to evolve, and became a better wrestler. The Rock and Jericho reinvented themselves several times. Cena kept pushing the same character on people for over a decade. It was selfish. He was the top babyface and heel at the same time. He wasn't a great wrestler, he had some amazing matches but also faced some of the best in-ring talent ever. Great talker, but didn't fight against the garbage they fed him to say like a Batista did. He was a loyal soldier to a fault. As an in-ring storyteller, he could be shit. Letting himself get beat for 90 percent of the match and then winning. He was a 6/10
>>1947845992nd
>>19478459I skipped most of his matches so he'd be unranked
He's around the 8-12th range for modern day. Around 25-30th if considering all time all world.
>>19478459#1 at burying people
>>19478693The Rock doesn't belong anywhere near the Mount Rushmore kek
>>19478459Only brown and evil people disliked him.
>>19479928You have to be 18 to post here
>>19479918Who does? >uhhh terry funkFuck off
>>1947845967th
The peak uptick of Cena's primary run in the business was when he was the B-side for the first Rock/Cena Wrestlemania match.
Popularity-wise, I think he's #1. Cena is over with the Jeets and worldwide fame. Hogan/Austin was only over in America, while third-world countries love Cena.
>>19479955Sure as shit isn't The Rock holy fuck kek
As shitty as 41 was, this was kino.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zw2BgHhycI
>>19478459He’s in the top 100. Probably #54 or something like that. Very overrated but a legend.
One of the best Very high on my list
>>19479993No one gives a fuck about third world countries, Vickram
>>19478693>>>>>Hogan That nigga couldn't wrestle to save his life.
>>19479995Why because you are triggered that he called people fag? Kill yourself dipshit
>>19480027Wrestling was literally never about da movez.
>>19480027You’re just saying this because Hogan said he didn’t like niggers.
Easily top 10Anyone who says otherwise is coping
>>19480027Doesn't matter. He was wrestling until Austin showed up.
>>19478459#7 All TimeAustin, Rock, Hogan, Flair, Andre, Bret, Cena
>>19480077>BretNot good enough on the mic
>>19480038Nah because he's a fucking faggot who is only beloved by faggots such as yourself.
>>19480077Do you mean strictly for WWE?
>>19480093Nobody cares about Antonio Inoki or El Santo
The Undercarder was unironically a better wrestler and entertainer at his peak than Cena ever was.
>>19480144Mmmmm badass
>>19480056No. He genuinely was a shit wrestler. Him being an even shittier person didn't factor into me saying that.
>>19480160Got news for you, 99 percent of wrestlers are assholes.
>>19480196Okay?
>>19480084Yes he was. Bret himself underrates his own mic skills, though I admit it was the weakest part of his act overall. He ranks this high on my list because he managed to remain the top guy in North American wrestling despite working for a guy desperate to recreate the days when his promotion was led by an American hero. Bret was an absolute stud in his prime who ensured that the financial floor didn't bottom out in between the heights brought on by Hulkamania and then the Attitude Era. Cena is one of the greats, but he was always pushed by Vince while Bret got over whether Vince was behind him or not.>>19480093No, globally and historically. The likes of Inoki, Baba, Misawa, Santo, Mascaras, and others are all being considered, but I view mainstream American wrestling as the ocean that makes those international markets look like lakes and ponds by comparison.
I personally have him below Jesus Christ
>>19480241Bret is a dimeless fag. Just like his brother.
>>19480027Go watch his Japanese matches
>>19478693simpcuck steve austin doesn't belong anywhere near the Mount Rushmore kek
>>19478459Surely in the Top 10>Rock>Hogan>Hitman>Sting>Undertaker>Angle>Lesnar>Cena>Austin>Flair
>>19478459Great ambassador and company man, shitty wrestler and entertainer. He’s Mt Rushmore in WWEs kayfabe propaganda but in reality he’s maybe in the top 50, and I’m being generous by only ranking him in WWF/WWE history, he’s waayyyyy lower All Time if i include the other major wrestling promotions that have existed.
>>19478459Match back catalogue is GOAT. Actual talent is like #15
>>19480814You mad?
>>19480160>Unrivaled charisma>Master of selling>Master of engaging the audienceHow was he a shitty wrestler again?
>>19480920Give your Top 5 all time. I'm not looking to debate you but it will help everyone else understand where you're coming from. This goes for everyone coming into this thread to contribute a "nah" vote to the question of whether Cena is an all-time great. I expect to see Napo Zango on your GOAT list.>>19480844This is a list with integrity.
>>19478459Not even top 1000
>>19481014Smarks think good wrestling is when you do a bunch of flips.
>>19481024BenoitAngleBretKobashiInoki
>>19478674>>19478554>>19478693>>19480058>>19480077We don't listen to Timmies here
>>19481099Name 10 wrestlers better than Cena
>>19478459Fraud
>>19481024>I'm not looking to debate you but it will help everyone else understand where you're coming from.The fact that you need some context for why somebody might not consider Cena the GOAT is fucking sad. It was pretty much universally agreed upon until the last few years, here and anywhere else adults talk about wrestling, that Cena is a shit wrestler and a decent entertainer propped up by his kayfabe accomplishments. Nobody liked Cena besides children who like whatever they're told to like.
>>19481134>It was agreed>Nobody liked himnot an argument
>>19478459Not even top 50. Being serious.
SeventhHoganAndreRockAustinBretFlairCena>>19480077Holy shit my exact list wtf lol should we make out?Talking strictly in historical context with the WWE.
>>19481173Actually, I take it back. I'd put him 8th behind The Undertaker.
>>19481024>>19481121Liger, Muta, Sting, Flair, Sasuke, Ultimo, Bret, Shawn, Malenko, Savage
>>19481083Thank you. Is it safe to assume that you weigh in-ring ability over most other factors when evaluating a wrestler?I take in-ring ability into account with the performer's look and the several qualities that fall under the heading of "charisma," but above all I feel as though drawing power has to bear the most weight when I have these talks with other wrestling fans. As I posted above, I have Cena at #7 All Time and I disagree with those who thought he was trash in the ring.>>19481134It sounds like you disliked Cena simply because it was "universally agreed upon" by the IWC during his run as the top guy in WWE. That makes you the sad sack who likes whatever he's told to like. The young Cena who wrestled RVD at One Night Stand in '06 and HBK twice in '07 had already reached a standard that an IWC darling and legitmate shitter like Kyle Fletcher will probably never meet.
>>19481121RVDAustinDDPRockHogan Macho ManCM PunkSeamus Drew McIntyreRandy OrtonMick Foley Kurt Angle Samoa Joe Kenny Omega Orange Cassidy MJF Ilja Dragunov Oba Femi Trick Williams Joe Hendry Ric Flair Sycho Sid Seth Rollins Alex Riley Jon Moxley Batista Triple H Shawn Michaels Rey Mysterio Eddie Guerrero Rick Rude Mr. Perfect Lita Trish Stratus Ricky Steamboat Terry Funk Scott Steiner Cody Rhodes Dusty Rhodes Dustin Rhodes Bret Hart Owen Hart AJ Styles Sting Booker T Kenta Kobashi LA KnightThat enough for you, timmy?
>>19481214>Seething this much that Cena will never be universally likedUppercut yourself you broccoli headed estrogen filled söyboy
Not in my top 50. I just never got him, he was always boring and the crowd always made his matches for him.
>>19481236He is universally liked by people who leave their house>>19481226You listed Alberto Del Rio twice
>>19480844>dubs of truth>list progressively gets worse in the descending order
>>19481214i value "believability" over anything else and cena most the time felt like bullshit to me.
>>19478459Look 8/10Promo 4/10Wrestling 2/10
>>19481226>RVDSpot monkey>AustinYeah 1>DDPLol>RockYeah 2>HoganYeah 3>Macho ManOverrated as fuck. Fuck you>CM PunkNo>SeamusLmao>DrewNo>RandyNo>Mick FoleyFat spot monkey with some good promos>Kurt AngleYeah 4>Samoa JoeHE'S FAT>Kenny OmegaLol>Orange CassidyWho?>MJFparticle board?>ilja dragunovWho?>Oba FemiNo>Trick WilliamsWho?>Joe HendryThe turn and smile meme guy? Lol>Ric FlairOverrated shitter>SidNo>SethLmao>Alex RileyHAHAHAHAHAHA>DEANNo>BatistaNo>HHHNo>ShawnYeah 5>ReyNo>EddieNo>Rick RudeNo>Mr PerfectNo>any womanL O L>SteamboatNo>Terry FunkNo>Scott SteinerBeats him on the mic at least>CAWdyNo>DustyFatass carried by one promo fuck you>GoldustFumbled potential>BretYeah 6>OwenNo>AJ StylesNo>StingNever got the appeal>Booker TNo>Kenta KobashiWho?>LA KnightWho?Looks like Cena is 7th all time
>>19481259Fair enough. I see where you're coming from now regarding Cena and I can respect your Top 5 if that is the criterion.
>>19481259How? He is strong as fuck
>>19481286>Ric Flair>overrated shitter
>>19481256No, more the half the audience that left when he became the top guy started watching UFC, going to sports bars and starting banging cougar barflys. Of course you'd respond like that you little girly faggot. That's your pathetic limp wristed generations go to insult. But it doesn't work on us. Try again.
>>19481315>WOO>does his stupid oversell flop>does a gay looking leg lock>WOO>BEAT DUH MAN
>>19481303in terms of the things he does and how he does them. he has a lot of stuff that is just phony looking. he is legit strong sure but thats not what im talking about. he also doesnt sell me on what he is saying.
>>19481318>great worker>insane promo>draws the entire houseYeah. Never give your insane ass the book.
>>19481342Flair was never the guy during the peak of wrestling>oh but he drew a bunch of hicks when jim crockett promotions ran tours in Dothan AlabamaPfft
>>19481350Again, never let you anywhere near the book
>>19481372Only thing you gotta book is Austin-Rock and watch the dimes flood in
>>19481376True. The Flair take is insane though.
>>19481400Not really, he is shit
>>19481405>Not really, he is shit I thought we were talking about other wrestlers, not Cena.
>>19481405We're gonna have to agree to disagree, anon
>>19481405Whats up Bret
in ring, he's serviceable and can go with the right dance partner, but he also works down to the level of his opponent as well. he's certainly not a broomstick worker like flair or bret. technically, he's sloppy and bumps awkwardly; his facial expressions are goofy as hell, and his selling is spotty at best. but he knew how to work wwe-style main even matches and build the drama though timing and pacing. his list of great matches is arguably inflated because he worked in the monthly ppv era and was on top for so long and therefore had opportunities other people didn't. plus, wwe matches are road agented to death - could he go in a different environment? of course we'll never know but it's interesting to think about.he's good on the mic, and has the ability to carry feuds through his promos, his ability to deal with hostile crowds is really unmatched. hogan for example would not know how to handle being booed as often as cena was. sure a lot of his lines were goofy and cringe but he was marketed at kids rather than jaded smarks.he has elite natural charisma to connect with fans, especially kids, he has crossover appeal and he's stayed relevant. he sold merch like gangbusters and was the face of wwe during its period of global expansion and record profits. on the flipside, there's no doubt he turned some people off; as over as he was, he was never "cool" in the way austin or the nwo were. attitude era fans didn't want kiddy shit and smarks didn't want a musclehead who couldn't do flips. people got sick of him and his lack of character development but i put that on wwe management (even though i can see why they wouldn't want to turn him heel) rather cena being bad. hogan, rock and austin have to rank as the top 3 wwe guys but i'd have cena 4th.i see it like this: hogan built the wwf/e and became bigger than it. austin and rock both outgrew it and didn't need it anymore. cena on the other hand, became the wwe, as if a blue-chip stock morphed into a wrestler.
>>19481255>>19481283
>>19480027this one got the antismarks bubbling
>>19478459Like 102th or something. Pushed as a top guy despite never being particularly that good at anything. Killed the business.
>>19481531>cena on the other hand, became the wwe, as if a blue-chip stock morphed into a wrestler.Retarded take. Cena didn't become WWE, he was pushed artificially by Vince to hog the spotlight despite having none of the merits to do so. Even at his PEAK popularity in 2006/2007 he was never that liked nor that over. Even in his own generation he was routinely cheered over by Batista, Eddie Guerrero, Phil, Christian, RVD, etc. When I hear people talking like Cena was THE guy it's like they always forget he never got there because he was extremely over with the audience, he got there because Vince had a hard-on for him, same way he did with Roman who he tried to make Super Cena 2.0. But thankfully after close to a decade of torture he decided to try something new since this time the audience was already beyond sick of it and leaving in droves. Vince has always had the concept of the guy whose entire show revolves around him ever since the success of Hogan but Hogan earned that on his own merit. The only time he abandoned it is when he was getting his ass kicked by WCW and had to pivot, but other than that Cena is nothing more than a long line of Disney hero character for little children. But this time he had no competition, had no need to pivot and he went full throttle on it, never abandoning it whatsoever despite the audience being sick of it even as early as 2009/2010.In short, in the AE Cena wouldn't be in midcard. He's not without any talents, but he's certainly a bang average wrestler who was elevated into a position he never deserved in the first place. And to say he's in top 5 because Vince decided to give him 6 gorillion championships is an insult. Granted I don't think John is entirely at fault same way Roman wasn't at fault for being relentlessly pushed down the audience throats until they started gagging, but this is what his career was and what we can judge him on. Can't rely on hypothethicals and alternate realities of what could it have been.
>>19481259brock is the #1 most believable wrestler of all time
>>19480844Lesner is not enough of a goat to be Mount Rushmore, he was more push than talent, more fighter than entertainer.Hart would be first alternate, he was good during a low period, but when they were eating well, he slid down the card and then just cried about everything. There was a time he was on the Rushmore trajectory easy, helping build guys, solid worker, solid gimmick. But he was too much of a self mark. It's why HBK is considered better even though talent and legacy wise they were even.
