>breaks kayfabe to try to save facelmao he really might be kwaboty
>>19480247I'm convinced this guy is retarded and has no idea why people disliked the ending
>>19480385You're mad that the bad guy won. You have the mind of a child.
All that really says is Cena agreed to it but that doesn't mean much since if Triple H demanded Cena tap to a monkey while dressed in a banana suit he would've done that too.
>>19480247He could've just passed out. Gunther still beats him clean. Was that so hard.
>>19480247>Post-show>kayfabeWhere have you been?
>what we dohe really has no self-awareness
>>19480404No one is upset about Gunther winning everyone is upset about how flat the execution was
this just confirms that gunther isn't getting heat from this
>>19480499Why? Why not have him tap? Why is it so offensive to you?
>>19480534tf does that even mean? you're worked, lil bro.
KWABOTY runner up in the last second!HE'S BOOKING UP JESS!
>>19480556>Why is it so offensive to you?kek why are you so defensive?
>>19480556Cause his catchphrase is never give up
>>19480247>Leaving the business better than you found it>Found the business in the attitude era and drove into the fucking PG eraWhat
>the make a wish guy broadcasting to all the dying kids to just give upThanks Jews/Satan.
>>19480556Cena doesn't tap or give up, thats his whole character. They didn't explain why he would suddenly decide to do it now. It made no sense and you are clearly retarded like triple h.
>>19480556You must be a nigger that doesn't have the mental capacity to understand honor or willpower.
Cena isnt putting over Gunther, hes putting over the avengers get to stop the big bad guy that made cena tap.
>>19480602Until he did. Undertaker never lost at Wrestlemania until he did. Hulk Hogan never turned heel until he did. Still not quite understanding why preserving the credibility of the guy who's leaving forever is so important. Everyone and their grandma has beaten Cena in his geriatric run, if you can add some extra spice to the rub to make it actually noteworthy then do it.
i think for it to have made better sense for cena to tap out, gunther should have gone way harder on him than he did. cena has passed out from worse than what he got.
>>19480602>They didn't explain why he would suddenly decide to do it now.So he didn't die
The wrestling business is over-exposed, going out on your back doesn't work when that's what everyone knows you're doing.
>>19480247>I will do what I believe is right for this business>makes Gunther tap out to Jay Uso>sends Travis Scott as Cena's heel turn biggest payoff to his 17th title>buries LA Knight over SNEED>refuses to have Cena vs Punk in the US and instead gives it to the sandniggers>just ends Cena's heel turn randomly on a random Smackdown. No explanation given>Teases serious R Truth then goes right back to make him a comedy jobber>books Cena's last match on a random SNME witha small arena of 19k capacity instead of a fucking stadium>fills the card with pure jobber matches because fuck you give money>thinks Bronn Breaker is the future of the industry
>>19480534When was the last time cena passed out from a submission
>>19480247>the guy who buried everyone>the guy who also buried everyone>it's about leaving it for the next guylmao
>>19480247Post shows aren't in kayfabe retard
>>19480631I understand it. I don't understand why Cena's honor is important to you. He's leaving, it's his last match. He offers nothing to the wrestling business from here on out, there is nothing to gain from protecting his character.
>>19480717The retards posting the shit takes will purposely ignore your post so they can spend the next 72 hours pretending not to understand
>>19480717It's a message to all the cancer kids that ever believed in Cena: just tap out and die. It's inherently evil booking.
Lmao timmies are really fucking seething over Big Gun making Ceeya tap out. I love it. This is amazing.
>>19480556I'm not a nihilistic Redditor that hates the human spirit. It was a shit ending to an unforgettable career.
>>19480748kind crazy how badly this year has gone, such bad storytelling. this just confirms that paul cannot make stars
>>19480602>never give up>gives up in his last matchthis is as basic storytelling as you can get
>>19480717If sauron pulled out a gun and shot aragorn would it be good because it never happened before or would you be confused as fuck?
>>19480754Yes you retard, it's called "sending the fans home happy". Now every single fan is pissed at the disrespect for Cena, 25 years only to tap out like a bitch, nobody is happy and nobody is going to come back to avenge him, so why bother showing up again. Triple H killed WWE tonight, expect an AEW type audience dropout by monday.
>>19480602>>19480499>>19480750I think it was Cena's creative to tap instead of go limp. His "going out on my terms" idea, Gunther didnt make him tap, he made the decision to stop. I just imagine a thousand make a wish kids seeing Cena tap and then deciding to give up and flat lining in children hospitals across the world.
>>19480779>>19480784>>19480794>>19480818Finna seethe bitch ass timmy mark?
>>19480585So this must be the first time he's tapped out right?
>>19480818>expect an AEW type audience dropout by monday.I fucking wish, but I know all you spergs will be watching on Monday shitting up the gamethread.
>>19480818It's tradition to go out on a loss, it could have been a real submission move, not a "sleeper" which isn't painful. It's just stupid and I believe it was Cena's idea, because he's done caring.
>>19480835Hi Paul, you fucked up, we want Vince, etc.
>>19480835why are you acting like this year wasn't shit botches cenas retirement runevery single wm 41 winner hasn't done shit and is arguably in a worse position no new stars being made
>>19480853Vince won't shit in your mouth. Oh shit maybe he will.
>>19480818If you're an adult and you're that much of a mark for Cena then that's your own fault.
>>19480837He didn't tap from a submission move, his tapping with that look on his face was him literally giving up on wrestling.
Cena's lazy tap and smile actually kinda buried Gunther.>Yeah I'm done now, thanks for comingIf he was going to tap he should've struggled and given in after a long fight to escape.
>>19480870You have arrested development
>>19480846Cena could have been knocked out, which was teased about 10 seconds before he tapped out btw. And tradition my ass, Stone Cold went out beating up Kevin Owens and Taker went out beating Styles, this was just Paul using his self insert to bury yet another guy who was better than him. The reign of terror never ended.
>>19480874Like Mox did against Hangman yeah
>>19480862>I-it's made for children anyway, why do you even care about it being shit!!!!The tranny just outed himself with xis default defence non-argument.
Hope the obese smarks ITT praising this booking realize that they are a small minority and that catering to them is the road to empty arenas and no fans.
>>19480917Then why were the complaints there in person? Why have the ratings been going down? Why has the attendance been dropping?
>>19480930Wait im retarded
>>19480247add this faggot to the ballot please commish
>>19480247Which we had post shows in the Attitude era. That shit would be funny
>>19480915Wwe is for children but if you think the show was dogshit you are a child. Makes perfect sense right?
>>19480853Shut your ass up MARK. >>19480856Who said I was acting like it wasn't shit? If anything, this is probably the ONLY objectively good thing to come out of Cena's run, but clearly you aren't old or mature enough to have that conversation of witnessing REAL FUCKING PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING for the first time in your miserable, low IQ minded, inept life. Cry harder.
>>19480717I enjoyed the match but I also cannot help but see the circumstances of Cena finally tapping out in a low stakes match at the very end of his career silly- it is childish storytelling at its core, “this is the end so let’s have him tap because it’s the one thing he hasn’t done.”Derivative, frankly.
>>19480915Nobody is even talking about the quality of the booking or execution. You're simply having an emotional reaction to your favorite wrestler losing in a way which you didn't like, and if your favorite wrestler is Cena as an adult then there's something wrong. Cena is for kids, has always been for kids. That's the reason "Let's Go Cena" is two octaves higher than "Cena Sucks". The ending was objectively the right decision from a booking stand point. There are zero benefits moving forward to withholding that victory from Gunther or whoever else Cena's opponent is.to save face for Cena who is never coming back.
>>19480404Dude no one is upset about him winning but having him doing the same shit over and over again is what killed everyone watching. Great way to send super Cena.
>>19480950Uh-oh, Pauletty is having another heart attack.Hopefully he doesn't make it out this time.
>>19480983But enough about your projections. >>19480975>no one is upset about him winning lollmao even >>19480957Listen to that silence. Watch the aftermath of reactions and frustration. You don't need something complex to make an impact. If H doesn't fuck it up, Gunther is a made fucking man and a true main eventer.
>>19480966Hi Paul or whoever of his bitches you're. I hope you have something line up when Shawn takes over.
>>19480966But I never liked Cena, I'm pissed off at the dogshit script not at Cena's losing. Just like all the people in the arena that were booing Paul.>I'm not mad at people insulting WWE, sir is mad for pointing out poop booking!!!!Ok now I'm not wether you are a tranny or a jeet
>>19480957hmm, quite. Flanderized and dévant-garde, not Lynchian enough for my tastesI am very smart btw
>>19480717I'll give you the taker loss, although that had massive backlash as wellFunny you bring up the HH heel turn. I'll raise you the "Cena never turned heel until he did", which was an unmitigated disaster that was so bad WWE just decided "fuck it, he's a face again" in the middle of the story
>>19481015>Listen to that silence.Yeah it's not supposed to be silent after a match. Everyone was confused as fuck why cena would tap out to a jobber
>>19481039>middle of the storyThe story was always going to be turning back face, what kind of retardation are you pushing? Did you really think Cena would have his retirement match as a heel?
>>19481015John Cena’s last match absolutely needs to be complex- which is why the audience rejected this bullshit, look at how they did Ric Flair’s retirement run from start to finish- arguably greatest story in modern wrestling history that got the payoff it deserved because it was unique, emotionally captivating, and fit the character of Ric Flair while respecting his legacyJohn Cena’s retirement tour was nothing like that, it was the equivalent of a kid playing with action figures or WWE 2k- “ok now Cena turns heel and joins the rock with Travis Scott!!- actually nvm I’m bored not he’s a good guy- OOOOH HERE COMES GUNTHER AND NOW CENA TAPS!!! EVERYONES CRYING AND SAD BOO HOO BUT WAIT OPTIMUS PRIME IS HERE!!-“If you’re gonna have Cena tap out, actually BUILD to it throughout the year and give us a match that satisfies the viewer, thank you.
>>19481054Are you seriously defending the Cena heel story?
>>19481038 glad you caught on
>>19481054>The story was always randomly saying "sorry guys, forget the past 5 month, I'm a good guy again" in the middle of a fucking SmackDown for no reasin at allGood morning sir
>>19481054>Did you really think Cena would have his retirement match as a heel?A face saving the belt from retirement would have been way better than what we got.
>>19480247The problem isn't that Cena lost, it's that he lost to a guy nobody gives a shit about because his mystique was ruined by having him tap out to Coconut Yeetman. If they'd had Cena lose to someone else it would have gone better.
>>19481061Learn to read>>19481074LLM machine broke>>19481093This is a piss take
>>19480930>Why have the ratings been going down? Why has the attendance been dropping?t. person pretending to not notice this happens every single Q4 in WWE
>>19481046>it's not supposed to be silent after a match Way to expose yourself as an immature shitter. Maybe you should go watch Dora the Explorer? Seems more fitting for your mental capacity. >>19481055>ric flair's retirement run Which one would that be? The 1st, 3rd, 5th? Please enlighten me.
>>19481114>his mystique was ruined by having him tap out to Coconut YeetmanMaybe if you keep saying it, it will become true.
>>19481055No they fucking did not respect Ric Flair's legacy. They tried to have him end his career getting retired by Vince McMahon's favorite twink. That cringey "I love you but I'm still going to superkick you" finish was absolute TRASH and was not a worthy end for the GOAT. Flair's real last match (the indie one) was a great show because it was booked by people who knew what they were doing. HHH is complete trash and should be fired.
>>19480748Gaytch is obsessed over guys the internet liked in the mid/late 2010s since that's when Reddit was sending him fruit baskets and calling him Papa H. Look at how he fucked up Oba in just one match. Gaytch is the booker equivalent of a coach who's good at fixing a struggling team and getting them to a decent floor but who then needs to fuck off so an actual great coach can take over and actually do things. Gaych as a booker is like the Doc Rivers of pro wrestling.
>>19480247He could have just gone out to a pinfall and then puts the new blood over and also doesnt show all the kids he has given up like a bitch against his entire persona
>>19481169>The problem with Triple H is he likes good wrestling
>>19480247They absolutely fucked his last year from start to finish.>long awaited heel turn with no pay off>Switches back go face because everyone involved in the turn fucked off, leaving him with no motivating factor to continue, so we just forget about it>Wins IC title for the hell of it just to hot potatoes it back where it was initially>Meanwhile runs a dumb tournament with no interesting participants and them calling it a big chance to become Cena's last opponent>Slowest and lamest guy wins predetermined tournament>Cena preaching to never give up>gives up with a smileLast part is the absolute funniest shit to me and the cherry on top. So it's ok to give up then, why conquer whatever it is that troubles you, when giving up is easier. What a great message to send everybody home with, Paul.
>>19481339His idea of good wrestling is what Reddit liked 10 years ago. You can also find it in gAyEW and look how well that's working out. HBK should be the booker.
>>19481566>You can also find it in gAyEW and look how well that's working out.AEW is certainly not working out well at all, whereas WWE is doing incredibly well and signing multibillion dollar deals for their incredibly hot product. The difference is that AEW has Tony and WWE has Triple H.
>>19481339Workrate shit isn't good. Idk why it's called workrate when they usually just spam one move over and over.
>>19480247Kek what a KWABOTY
>>19481607Ilja Dragunov and Tommaso Ciampa had the crowd going wild last night.
>>19481615Did anyone give a fuck before the 15th minute? That's all these workrate guys can do, wrestle until people react out of pity.
>>19480888stone cold is a self mark
The funniest part about all of this is that even though literally everyone is fed up with this shit they will still tune in next week. Drones are probably the biggest fucking retards on the entire planet. WWE could literally shit down their throats and they'd find a way to say how good it tastes.
>>19481635Yes, the audience was extremely hot from the start, and they were very into throughout the entire match, which went through two commercial breaks.
>>19481652Sure lmao
>>19481663>doesn't even watch the show>complains about it relentlessly anyway
>>19481666I've seen a bunch of these workrate guys matches. They come out to dead silence and then after 20 minutes of spamming moves the crowd feels bad and chants this is awesome. I'm not gonna force myself to check if ciampa somehow got a reaction this time. It's fucking chiampa
>>19481686>No I don't watch WWE but it makes me so mad anyway! Now I'm going to seethe about a match I didn't even watch based on what I imagine it was like!
>>19481717I didn't even say I was mad I said what 'workrate' isn't good
>>19481728Well that may be your opinion, but that was not the opinion of the WWE crowd that was loud and excited to watch Ilja Dragunov vs Tommaso Ciampa.
>>19481743I'm sure ciampa will get a huge pop the next time he comes out
>>19480404You're even worse: you're a retard defending dogshit booking
>>19481641Which is why he lost to KO at Wrestlemania, right?
>>19480692Which would be fine except the big bad already tapped to Yeet man and lost to Sami. Punk and Cody beat him too. There’s nothing to fear from Gunther because every popular babyface has already beat him.
>>19481919he didn't care by that point. he just wanted a cheque.
>>19481949Ahh, I see. Before I counter, can you inform me which goalpost you will move to next? >Steve owed Vince a favor >Austin was trying to fuck KO >Vince had blackmail on Austin >KO threatened Austin to do the match
>>19481055>OOOOH HERE COMES GUNTHER AND NOW CENA TAPS!!! EVERYONES CRYING AND SAD BOO HOO BUT WAIT OPTIMUS PRIME IS HERE!!-“I'd pop.
I wish WWE and AEW didn't pull up the curtain so fucking hard over the past 6 years because now everyone is a fucking smark and everything is "booking this" and "booking that"Everything is talked about in the open on twitterEvery wrestler from the indies to the mainstream is doing shoot interviews and they're talking about the business and "their character" and how they act/wrestleEveryone's got a podcastSure this shit was always out there but now its just right out in the open on twitter or social media, its the default knowledge that everyone assumes you're in the know, that you've read the dirtsheets or you've seen the leakI miss when we'd have smackdown and raw rivalries on the board instead of the feverish autism on AEW and WWEI miss fun threads talking about wrestler gimmicksI miss finding cool shit about wrestlers on this boardI miss looking back on retarded booking from years ago that was stupid because it was stupid and made no sense
People are trying to gaslight you into thinking that if it sucked you just don't like Gunther. Nope, not true. The outcome wasn't the problem, the execution was.
>>19482167>I miss looking back on retarded booking from years ago that was stupid because it was stupid and made no senseI have some good news for you bro
>>19480556Because these idiots can't wrap their heads around faces tapping out instead of pretending to be Austin Bret with pass out bs.
>>19482176it was trash might be worse than rox and raq hitting their moves on cena
>>19480247He's trying so hard to be Vince and failing because he's a weak hearted no talent retard
>>19480556I’ll explain this to you like you’re five years old. So everyone who is pissed about this ending has at one point chanted “Cena sucks” and rooted for guys like Punk who went against him. But in his final years, we all began to grow sentimental. We don’t hate John Cena. We began to love him. In pro-wrestling, sometimes it is okay to just become a mark. I’m a 34 year old man who will go to work on Monday and continue my life. But the suspension of disbelief and the buying into wrestling is FUN. And Haitch denied us that. It’s like he forgets that this shit is supposed to be fun.
>>19482249You're a mark with no sense of standards and stockholm syndrome. Many such cases.
>>19482297Wrestling is supposed to be fun. This ending was not fun. It was anti-climactic. We all wanted to see super Cena ride off into the sunset one last time. And yes, I am a mark. Because if you don’t mark out sometimes, why fuck are you even bothering watching professional wrestling?
>>19482297The people accepting cena tapping out have no standards
>>19482313Refer to here. >>19482297>>19482321Just admit you're a timmy. Would save everyone time.
>>19480556Why not have the guy who spent 20 years and all of last night telling people to "never give up" literally happily give up with zero intention of following up on it?I understand wanting to get heat on Gunther. The guy honestly needs it pretty bad right now. It was just simply booked like shit.
People can say what they will about Vince, he was fucking crazy and his booking was fucking crazy, but at least it was his vision and at least it was entertaining. Worst he ever did was allegedly shit on an alleged prostitute that he paid incredibly generously.Now you've got HHH careening around with Epstein's best friend the pedophile in chief and the number 1 killer of Samoan babies, too busy to actually book any wrestling so he just tells a room full of TV writers to consult GPT. Absolutely soulless.
>>19482729It really is fascinating how much this finish exposes everyonr who shits on it as "giving up" as mentally and emotionally immature. You're fucking pathetic lol. Grow up. >>19482771>careening around with Epstein's best friend Vince's wife is literally among the president's cabinet members...
>>19482518>TimmyJeets can't help but advertise.
>>19482787Ya seethe bitch
>>19482801You're a bit stupid aren't you?
>>19482810>gets proven wrong>projects seethingI accept your concession.
If Cena didn't like the idea, he coulda just closed his eyes and gone limp. They'd have to call him as passed out. If he's not coming back, he has no reason to give a shit.
>>19481762Dude You take fake fighting seriously lmao
>>19480247He breaks kayfabe when he turns sideways too
>>19482887>its cenas fault for not going into business for himself in his retirement matchyoure retarded
>>19482998yes Cena is literally stupid for not going into business for himself. he should have no sold that shit and then went to JCW.
>it was the right call, you gotta do what's best for the businessWhy do smarks keep saying this as if it's self evident? So because it's tradition I just have to sit back and clap for shitty booking? I'm not going to magically enjoy a terrible story just because the last guy went out on his back so that's what has to happen forever.And besides, is this actually better for the business in any significant way. The heat was for H, not Gunther. With kayfane dead now, Gunther doesn't gain anything lasting from this.>Ai vas zee man to retire John Cena!Yeah ok: booo, fuck you (but the boos are directed at Triple H)In a month he'll be back to getting mild boos and "you tapped out" chants. This doesn't change the game, this doesn't make his an even meaner bad guy
>>19480730ultimately i felt fine with the ending but yes i agree with this. should have had gunther really lay it in with the choke, cena turning colors, to emphasize the realism of this. then the smile tap out works. especially with the pro wrestling vs sports entertainment call at the end. you have the internet fans questioning if gunther shoot choked him out or not, we'd be debating it for years.
>>19482787"wife"
>>19483058did retiring kurt angle do anything for corbin's career?
did they at least have a decent dark match after this for the deflated fans?
>>19483091No, they had all the other wrestlers hop on the mic and do damage control
>>19480247You mean to tell me that the guy who broke kayfabe when kayfabe was alive is breaking kayfabe when kayfabe is dead and buried? Damn bro, that's crazy.
>>19480556It just made Cena's character look like he didn't give a shit about his career or his retirement. If he truly cared about this being his last run and his last match, he would have refused to go down like a bitch. He should have passed out, been KO'd or won. Those are the only outcomes that would have fitted his character and the situation.>b-but my poetr-Yes, I get it. The guy that never gives un giving up is poetic indeed. However, at what cost does this irony come? You pretty much killed the guy's character. Sure, he isn't going to wrestle again, but his legacy and the values he preached to an entire generation of fans have been tarnished permanently.
The shots of the crowd after the tapout showed why this was worth it. I laughed out loud at every moron it showed. Owning the marks, what wrestling is all about, right?! ha ha ha!
>>19483106I cannot believe this. I'm shaking in my cuck chair bros...
>>19482853But I didn't give you any hot dogs or beer
>netflix buys warner>they put tony as WWE creative lead due to hhh backlashbest of both worlds
>>19480247I genuinely think Cunter despises all wrestling fans.
I'm so tired of this board, I dont remember /asp/ having this many low IQ posters
>>19483066Definitely this- the choke escape into the elbow barrage and subsequent resecuring was absolutely the right direction, but I think that it being localized to that one corner didnt do it any favors. I feel like switching to a different hold in there would have been nice as well- you could probably do a D'arce choke or something and make a good shot for the cameras for instance, especially with the sports entertainment/real grapps callout at the end.
Zoomers are pissed that their idol tapped out to a superior wrestler.
>>19480247Kek what a mark
>>19480556Because he's been telling thousands of Make A Wish kids that they should never give up and that they can make it through anything if they just keep hope and just keep fighting.And then he just accepts death with a smile, undermining all of that. It would have been fine if John Cena was just a wrestling character, but he's simply not. He's a pop culture icon and a genuine beacon of hope for a lot of very, very sick children. Those children are worth more than getting a neat bow on a wrestling story or following wrestling tradition. Let him lose if you must, but just have it not be by tapping.
>>19483416>Cena shouldn't have tapped out because now kids with life threatening medical conditions will die
>>19483455No, Cena shouldn't have tapped because no kids with life threatening medical conditions will have one less beacon of hope to cling to. And yes, that is more important than "giving back to the business". For better or for worse, John Cena transcends wrestling and that should've been accounted for in this finish.
>>19480247This was the one time Paul needed to do a bit of WCW style booking. Cena had to get cheated by someone unexpected to get more heat on Gunther. Gunther winning clean doesn't do anything
>>19483465You're moralfagging a fake fight finish by using sick children.. Its time to log off big guy
>>19480717Subversion for subversion sake is fucking dogshit and all this was nothing but a desperation move to try and get Gunther away from the fact he tapped to the coconut nigger
>>19483491You dont know what "moralfagging" means. Don't try to parrot terms you don't actually understand, it makes you look stupid. And again, for better or for worse, John Cena is more than just a wrestler and his Never Give Up ethos means more to a lot of sick children than it does to wrestling storylines and therefore those sick children should've been prioritised. Things being scripted doesn't mean they don't affect people, especially children, which you obviously know since you were presumably a child being affected by those same "fake fight finishes" growing up.
>>19480717>Undertaker never lost at Wrestlemania until he didThis was also considered by 90% of people to be a massive mistake, including by Undertaker himself.
I'd rather have him fade then tap.
>>19480835Why roleplay as a nigger?
>>19480247>Blablabla I made him tap out because it's the best for the business
>>19480556>Why the "NEVER GIVE UP" guy tapping out is a bad thing?In hinsight it was most likely Cena who came up with the idea, like "welp, time to go".
>>19480717The undertaker loss was also a massive shitshow what the fuck are you talking about? At least it was credible because just a few wrestlers could kayfabe pin bork, and carder was old. Gunther is not a juggernaut, everyone and their mother has also beat him, and odds are that he's going after lesnar next.
>>19480247Why does this faggot break kayfabe
>>19483791Yea thats my issue too. They have been booking Gunther as too goofy the last two years. I like his insult comic segments but they needed to stop that and make him more menacing
>>19480247>speaks at every post-show conference>breaks kayfabe every time >answers questions every timeBut now, suddenly NOW he's trying to save face and break the rules just because OP got worked.lol You retards are so fucking transparent.
>>19480556This looked good for you?
>>19481039>which was an unmitigated disaster90% the fault of the Rock who refused to show up for work after being the one to set it up. They quite literally had to pivot once it became obvious they couldn't pay it off.
>>19484033That's been debunked
>>19484033they didn't pivot, they did a 180.
>>19484043That's still a pivot.
>>19480571Learn to read illiterate nigger.
>>19480756Don't replying to your own posts you dumb embarrassing faggot.
>>19484047you're still a retard
>>19480556Same reason it was offensive when Jey made him tap. I just don’t get how they made Gunther look like a bitch to mcafee and Jey and then said ok you the guy that’s ending Cena’s career
>>19480747Its been over exposed since Vince put everyone else out of business. No reason to bitch about it now
Was the match good besides the ending?
>>19484147>hes worried about muh moves and not the storyits like youve learned nothing
>>19480247What absolute bullshit. How is Cena tapping in his final match "right for the business?" If you want to have Cena lose that's fine, but having him tap goes against everything Cena is meant to represent. Triple H fucked up hard
>>19480404You don't get it
>>19484147There was a moment I really liked where John hit Gunther with the FU, pinned him for the 2 count and then when John was sitting stunned at the kickout, Gunther pounced back up behind him and locked in the sleeper again. I haven't seen a submission get the reaction that got since Bret Hart times.
>>19484147No not really. Dunno why smarks are desperately defending walter when logan had a better match with cena
>>19480556NTA but Cena's whole thing is that he doesn't give up. Having him tap on his final match is just wrong
>>19484082Why? Because I didn't convey that the change was drastic enough for you, you fucking pansy?
>>19484029He looks like he’s in more pain when he let’s go
>>19484147Yeah, it was pretty much a perfect match bell-to-bell. My favorite part was when Gunther was trying to demoralize John and the audience by just repeatedly forcing him back down with lariats, and demanding the ref check on him.
>>19480247What did Paul do to leave the place better than he found it?
>>19483514Edge didnt want to break the record, Nor Cena either, and Brock either, til Age kicked in and Taker had that nasty concussion in the ring and Brock took home to save taker's life.Ever since then mark pussied out because of his wife.>>19481145>retarded aew mark knows nothing of backstagethis post reeks of maple syrup and defeat
Austin is probably Laughing at all of this from home and saying Vince was right.
>>19482313You're a goof. Go watch AEW if you want joke wrestling. The tradition is that you lose on your way out to put over the up and comers.
>>19481947yep once you get beat by jey uso, sami zayn, and the worst ufc fighter of all time , any credibility goes out of the window. goldberg and cena putting him over at this point is just a waste
>>19484245Worked 99 percent of this board into a tantrum
>>19480247how does this even explain anything
>>19485010Seriously, fuck Haitch booking. Gunther could've been a serious heel but they made him lose to Gey Uso and Sami Gayn. Punk is the worst UFC fighter of all time but heemed 3 guys at once in GAYEW so he's at least a believable tough guy. But Gunther needs to bring back his move variety again
>>19484943Gunther is not an up and comer.Also it’s not a tradition that you break kayfab, but these guys do it all the time. Which is a big reason why this doesn’t work anymore.
>>19480247>jey uso>dominick mysteriokilled haitch's career as a booker.
>>19480556>Gunther ends reign at wrestlemania at 666 days>Cena heel turn starts at Cody's wrestlemania illuminati initiation>Gunther taps cena out with a smile at 616 days>Hanukkah begins in Israel on Dec 14>Cena filming new Hollywood movie with Skydance Media, owned by jew David Ellison, son of Larry Ellison of OracleMost definitely a satanic ritual by HHH, Cena, Gunther, and the Israel owned WWE
>>19485213Gunther is 38, wrestles like a 50 year old, is rarely injured and will likely be around into his 50s. You can make the stick-up-the-ass crying bitch post asserting that "Triple Fumble will ruin this!" but to argue the groundwork hasn't been laid for a decade-long Gunther heel run is complete bullshit.You're not preaching to the choir here, you're only preaching to other pretentious griefers who put in minimal effort. If the criteria was [natural Heel who can bring up retiring Cena for the next decade], Gunther was the pick. Not Oba, not Breakker, not Aleister Black, not McIntyre, not any other tweener or recent face. Gunther was the choice.
>>19485413Yeah, because beating Goldberg already did wonders for Gunther, right?This entire run was a booking disaster
>>19485413>but to argue the groundwork hasn't been laid for a decade-long Gunther heel run is complete bullshit.Who the fuck wants that? Do you actually think gunther is on the level of cena now?
>>19480404that part
>>19485437When was that Goldberg retirement match again, 2022? 2021? I forget. Please remind me?>>19485449Strawman, there's not one person making that argument here or anywhere else.
>>19485472>I forget.Yeah, so did everyone else dumb shit.
>>19485487jesus grow up
they fumbled new viewers and arent going to retain the cena viewers KWAB
>>19485472>Strawman, there's not one person making that argument here or anywhere else.if gunther is gonna have a decade long heel run then he needs to be on the level of cena
>>19485487Taking the coward way out. Expected. There's not much juice to squeeze out of retiring 58 year old Goldberg, who was never a WWE original and will never appear on the WWE Mount Rushmore. He was a stepping stone to the true crown jewel: retiring John Cena.
Omg wrestling isn’t real. Everything is planned. The battle doesn’t decide a winner. The plot does.
>>19485520>because of me, you're never going to see John Cena in this ring againThat's Gunther's floor, as of today. A sentence that will generate heat for the next decade. If you don't understand that, you don't understand how wrestling works.
>>19485526>It's fine Goldberg's retirement was botched too, all part le grand planimagine dedicating your life to defending Paulslop lmao
>>19485547Nobody will give a fuck after 2 weeks. Cena himself admitted that
>>19485549Because there were so many amazing ways to tell the story of 58 year old Goldberg retiring (13 matches in the last 20 years, but who's counting). Once again: pretending to be retarded and putting in low effort isn't impressing anybody, you're just making yourself look stupid.
>>19485570>retiring Goldberg did nothing for anybody, but eh what could you do?I accept your concession
>>19485579It could only have done a small amount for anyone, and the only person who could have maximized that small amount of anything was Gunther - who was the one to retire Goldberg. Thank you for agreeing with my premise and my argument.
>>19485601Nothing was maximized, all the heat went on Paul for booking the retarded Seth injury, just like it did last night
>>19485619Explain who would have benefitted more from Goldberg. You are up to 5+ chances to do so at this point, and you have thus far refused every single opportunity to name a name and actually further the discussion.
>>19480247Ended it in exactly the right way and supposed smarks are actually in tears over it. Incredible work. Theyre 100% going to do fuck all nothing with Gunther now though is the truly mind boggling thing
>>19485668I accept your concession
AND NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>19485697The two are not mutually exclusive though. That’s WHY people are disappointed. It’s a move to build up a guy that everyone already knows WWE will fumble. I mean just look at the last year with Cena.Yea, some people are mad simply because Cena lost. But others are mad how he lost. And others are mad how it was booked. And even others are mad at how it’s all for nothing.Laugh at the marks all you want, but it was truly a love that pleased no one. This isn’t Vinny who is going to step into the ring on Monday to welcome those boos before getting an AA; this bald faggot is laughing his way to the bank while people pay more and more for this shit.
>>19485700>a wrestler would have benefitted more from retiring Goldberg>may I know who that wrestler is?>no, but I still winNot how it works but your brain damage is severe enough to make you think it does. Poor thing.
>>19485726>some/others exists when I want it to>shades of grey exist when it's convenient to my argument>when I don't want it to? when it's inconvenient?>everyone already knows WWE will fumble
>>19485413You’re right about Gunther. He’s excellent and will be around for the next decade. But breaking kayfabe all the time is getting out of hand.
>>19486007>breaking kayfabe all the time Where have you been for the last 30 years?
>>19485726Cry more mark.
>>19480601>Jews/Satan
