I hate when WWE gets up it's own ass with muh storytelling. Sometimes it's just fine to give the fans what they want.
why are there so many sad kids wearing cena merch, they don't even remember him
>>19482303Nah, all Cena faggots should suffer sadness. Cena sucks and he drove away all the normal fans from wrestling
It does indeed insist upon itself at times.
>>19482329Wait do you think you are a normal fan?
>>19482303>Obese smark pieces of shit complain when WWE puts the older stars over their current roster>Obese smark pieces of shit have an ail time meltdown when they have Cena put over the guy that will be on their shows every week after he retiresThis is why Vince was right to never listen to you fucking fickle retards. Your opinions are all worthless because all you do is bitch no matter what
>>19482334Vince would never do this stupid bullshit
>>19482334They don't care that Gunther got put over.They care that the match was 15 minutes of Gunther choking him only for Cena to quit and go 'Well gee guys it is my final time' and smile at the camera.
>>19482342He would have done the exact same thing except it would have been Austin Theory
>kids aren't crying>women and manchildren areKek
>>19482345vince did put ze ic belt on gunther so i doubt that
>>19482303Geg. how it goes in America thoughbeit
It's a bit gay how we're supposed to celebrate a career where a man gets hand-picked by another man to have that career and spotlight, feels Jewish
>>19482449never used to be. there once was a before time. before our current jewish standards were implemented
>>19482449Yeah man, I am sure you would have been able to do the job just as well as Cena, you just weren't picked and everything in your life is the fault of some conspiracy against you.
>>19482497bit weird to project that hard after trying to read between the lines like an armchair psychologist, feels feminine
>>19482645>how dare you pick apart my retarded nigger argument
>>19482334Gunther is 38 and still doesn't have a draw. Pick a younger up-and-comer if you want to build the future.And execute it better, don't make Cena tap like a bitch.>>19482367lol idk about this one but I remember the Brock Lesnar match there were kids literally crying after Cena got BTFO, makes me wonder whether young kids even know that it's all fake.
>>19482303The fans are gay losers
>>19482334Gunther is no new star to push over. Hes almost 40, a former WC, and above all he litterally tapped out to the coconut yeetman
WWE fans are, and I'm gonna be generous here, 75% of them, not intelligent. Some of these 75% don't even have a fully developed brain, the rest are just retards that are hypnotized by cringe shit like yeeting. Gunther is the absolute best this business has to offer, he is everything professional wrestling should be. Why should Gunther lose this match? So that these ameritards could get their 'MURICA FUCK YEAH moment one last time? Making Cena tap out was the right call. I don't watch and I don't like AEW but sometimes I wish they just snatched him from WWE for an audience that actually appreciates wrestling. They'd do fuck all with him but at least I wouldn't have to read mentally challenged takes on him.
>>19482303ok, but there's not gonna be any storytelling.
>>19482962>So that these ameritards could get their 'MURICA FUCK YEAH moment one last time?Yes. Why should some Euro bitch tap out Cena?
I just wish Lesnar had made him tap in 2012 to really hurt the Cena kids
>>19483002Your never give up idol tapped out to a nazi. Deal with it.
>>19482367>Mommy why are you crying? So what if Grandpa is dying, I barely know the guyWhat's it like having autism
>>19483028>losing a wrestling match = dyingKEK
>>19482303They got it right with WM40 by letting Cody “finish his story.”Actually, WM40 is a good example. Paul ended up booking the right thing. The obvious thing. And the good vibes it generated brought a whole new batch of casuals into WWE, which I fucking promise you is what TKO, Netflix, and ESPN want given all the new money being spent. The goal of WWE isn’t to reach “wrestling fans” lmao. If you’re a “wrestling” fan, fucking go watch GayEW or some indie circuit. WWE is actively trying to grow its audience by pulling in casuals who enjoy basic storytelling. That’s how you grow a business: the basics. Good vs evil.It’s why last nights booking was such a fumble. Cena was EVERYWHERE on promo tours leading up to this. You had a LOT of casuals tuning in. You’re showcasing NXT talent. This was NOT a typical wrestling show that deserved the typical wrestling booking about what’s good for the wrestling business. This was NOT for wrestling fans. This was to grow the audience by pulling in casuals.And those people tuned in to see the hero ride off into the sunset because obviously they did. Instead, HHH pissed all over them and left them with a shitty feeling at the end of the show. And now they won’t tune back.You really think the group of 30yr old casuals who had a Cena Watch Party last night is going to tune in on Monday to see Gunther because oooh he’s the big bad destroyer who made Cena tap? lmaoNo, those fans, the ones TKO, Netflix, and ESPN want, have a sour taste in their mouth and now associate the WWE with bad feelings, not good ones. They’re out and not coming back. Once you accept that WWE is not about “wrestling” anymore, you’ll understand why booking Cena to lose was such a fumble. Last night, the only right booking was to give new fans what they wanted, what they expected, and what they paid for. HHH fucked it up, on purpose. In so doing, he alienated a lot of potential new fans. It’s inexplicable
>>19483102damn bro you said it all. 100% accurate too. WWE is going to go out like Atari. If you disappoint your fans one too many times with a shit product, they'll eventually leave. You'd think WWE would understand that by now, since they've been bleeding viewers for 20 years.
>The virgin looking at the lights>The chad going over
>>19482303What did the fans (gay retards) want? A wrestler under contract to another company? The 48 year old winning when you always job on the way out?
What a sad Sunday morning
>>19482303Worked. Like legitimately worked>Wahhhh WWE didn't give me the ending to the fake wrestling match that I wanted. The good guy didn't win wahhhh
>>19483248>The 48 year old winning when you always job on the way out?New fans (which is what WWE wants) don’t know this “tradition.”If they had, they wouldn’t have cared to watch.Now that they do, they won’t care to watch next time.
>>19483248>when you always job on the way outThat's a remnant of the kayfabe days. Cena already put over Dom, who is actually young and popular. Plus this was just a shit match.
>>19483268Did anyone expect he wouldn't go out on his back per carnival tradition? I didn't think he was gonna tap, but anyone thinking his was going to win the match needs to study the business and understand as well that John Cena, whether you love him or hate him, cares about pro wrestling and so there was no chance he wasn't taking the loss.
Had Cena insisted on winning his last match, everybody would call him selfish and lacking respect for the business.Sorry kids, your hero lost. Grow up.
>>19483102You're so close that it's almost a shame. Cody winning at WM40 worked because it progressed the story. Because it gave way to a new tomorrow in the world of WWE from the Bloodline. That's how wrestling works. Meanwhile last night if Cena wins then what? That's it. Roll credits. It's over and we all just go into Raw on Monday exactly as things were only now with no Cena and with Gunther's heat vanished. We go into Raw essentially lesser than things were before this show. But. Since Cena did lose and Gunther tapped him out, like anyone with two brains cells could have seen coming, we've got a guy who can ride that accolade going forward and use this thing that made an arena of 20,000 people and countless fans watching at home piss their pants to get heat with going forward for the foreseeable future. This again is how wrestling works. You on the other hand simply are just worked
Last night John Cena said>Nobody is bigger than wrestlingBeautiful, ty BMJ.
>>19483289>Did anyone expect he wouldn't go out on his back per carnival tradition?That's the thing, no! I really don't think they did. Everywhere you'd look going into this thing it was everyone pulling up how many times Cena tapped and talking about Gunther becoming the guy who retires people. Not just here, no just shitty reddit, but all over social media too. It was the obvious conclusion. It was the one everyone saw coming. Until it happened. And then it was shocked pikachu all around
>>19483304I understand this is how it’s supposed to work. This is not how it’s going to work, tho. Do you understand why?
>>19483102>>19483184Most worked obese smark piece of shit to ever live award
>>19483294>>19483311By tapping out he not only lost the match but also his integrity.Basically saying "just give up if its too hard" to all his fans after two decades of "never give up!"Its rightfully viewed as a bad way to go out, hence the booing to the booker
>grown men are seething that their hero lostI started watching in 2006 as a kid that loved Cena and wanted him to win always even though he shouldn't have. If I had my way we wouldn't have had RVD winning at ONS and for sure Edge should've won at Unforgiven. Two examples in the same year that kids don't know shit about wrestling. If you still feel like this as an adult you might wanna get checked for level 1 autism.
>>19483318You're the nastiest, most obese, fattest ugly smark ever, that's the smark that thinks he's part of the business. Sit your ass down, fat boy.
>>19483311I just got back from Circle K and told the cashier about the match and she was shocked lol. Damn, everyone knows who Cena is and she couldn't believe he lost - so I explained to her about going out on your back like an autist, bought my beer and drove home. I can guarantee I got worked as a child but I can't imagine any adult fan thinking this was going any other way. Welcome, new fans. This isn't a product to consoom for happiness.>>19483331You're are gay
>>19483331Sure, but its more impressive for Gunther to be the guy that made Cena tap outIt's just Cena's way of paying it forward
>>19483333nice quads
>>19483333I can't believe we now have the kids that liked Cena back when he started all grown up and now they're disappointed with how his story endedWhen I was a kid, Bret Hart was my hero, and I had to grow up to realize he's a bit of a dork, so suck it up
>>19483331>he not only lost the match but also his integrityAbsolutely not. He was a man beaten. Did you even watch the match? The story he told was giving every last piece of himself he had. He even went for the leg drop off the top which he retired ages ago. He gave the one last HLR hand thing when the ref was raising his arm to see if he was out. But Gunther was too much for him. That's what the face was. It was a face of resignation. Of him resigning himself to the fact that he was beaten. To the fact that he was done. To the fact that his job was complete. He never did give up. He was just outwrestled and he was bested and had to tap out. The two aren't the same thing
>>19483423I love you
>>19483423then u tell me y people booed :/
>>19483423>resigning himself to the fact that he was beaten>He never did give upthats literally what giving up means
>>19483450Always wins the wrong guy in this spot
>>19483450They got worked, man. 90% of that arena is not going to understand what anon just said. They were high on emotions, upset that Superman lost.
>>19482334All the seethe you're generating is further proof.Also, gotta love how they endlessly shit on Cena for years, cheered when he got shoot injured, only to treat him like this now. Fickle marks.
>>19483450they wanted cena to win
>>19483469I don't get the mind of an adult buying into the John Cena hypeEspecially after 20 years of John Cena Sucks
>>19483484And lostHappens the only one allowed to hold a grudge is the loser
>>19483102This is pretty much it, 100%. The average person loved WM40 because Cena, Rock, Rollins, and Taker all showed up too. The smarks hated it because “overbooked” or whatever, but this is what the normal fans want. The crowd was going wild. Believe it or not, most enjoy a satisfying resolution to their stories. Not every fucking story needs Rian Johnson subverting your expectations. How did that work out of Star Wars?There are certainly times you could have booked this with Gunther going over, but again modern WWE had no buildup. This wasn’t finishing any story except cutting the legs out from under the already shitty Cena victory lap. People just wanted to see him ride off into the sunset. After the shitty heel turn and all the fumbles this year, surely they can just let him take his W and say thank you, right? Wrong.People who liked last night are either too far up their own asses or long time Cena haters. They didn’t gain any new fans last night. All they got were a whole new batch of people who will proclaim that triple nose has lost the plot and is a shit booker. And I’m one of them.
>>19483490Maybe because Cena has evolved beyond the business and the public likes him as a person. So they wanted to see the big star who they like win? It’s not that complicated.
>>19483490I really disliked him when I stopped watching and only saw a wigger in my peripheral, then I tuned back in and he had his super cena reign which I think helped solidify bork as a real monster, in the end. As I look back, from his open challenge, to his mic work, I am going to miss him more than I thought I would. It also just feels like the end to an era of life, as an ADULT, that is how it feels. Wow, I'm a grown up now, John Cena died. Does that make sense?
>>19483522but john cena sucks
>>19482303Trvke
>>19483423And the told the story so well that someone on 4chan has to explain it to me. I guess everyone else is really stupid and you’re the smart guy who get it. It must be fulfilling to be so intelligent that you can understand the nuances of HHH storytelling in the ring.
>>19483537Like I said, you are not the average person. They were not supposed to be writing this exhibition match for you.
>>19483522>and the public likes him as a personwhy?
>>19483367>Welcome, new fans. This isn't a product to consoom for happiness.This is exactly the lesson HHH taught millions of potential new fans last night. It’s a bold strategy cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for ‘em.
>>19483554the average person thinks john cena sucks
>>19483556He's a wonderful human who has used his fame and wealth to help those in less ideal situations.
>>19483564ThisIn compelling storytelling, the hero doesn't always get the happy endingAnd your favourite characters die
>>19483015That'd unironically be better, bork was the beast who ended carder's streak, it would be realistic that after several back and forth he'd make cena tap out, and it would retroactively make gunther look bork-tier powerlevel wisem
>last giant stretch of the match is Gunther spamming THA SLEEPER!!! IT'S THE AA VERSUS THE SLEEPER AND THE SLEEPER SEEMS TO BE WINNING!Before he even tapped I stopped caringFelt nothing when he did
>>19483575I hear he's a bit of a bullyThrowing hissy fits when things dont go his wayGetting pissed when Alex Riley doesn't want to drink anymore, like he owes him thatI'd say he's a bit of a piece of shitYou should look into what some people, that aren't with the company anymore, have to say about him, and not just the guys that get paid to tear up on camera and half-heartedly hold up a sign that says "respect", because otherwise there'd be consequences for them.
>>19483581no it’s notIt’s okay if Cena loses.But he shouldn’t fucking give up.
>>19483604Go to bed, TMZ.
>>19483604Again, read your statement again and you will see you are not the average person. You were already going to tune in next week. They needed the people who haven’t tuned in for ten years, twenty years, or even to turn on Raw.
>>19483581This wasn’t compelling though, it would have actually been better for Paul to just come out and say ring the bell given the reaction
>>19483616It's all been done so Gunther can go around and brag about being the one guy that made John Cena give up.You're way too emotionally attached to this phony fake fighting product to see the big picture.
>>19483630it’s stupid as fuck. just like everything triple paul does and you.
>>19483628Wasn't compelling? The entire world is talking about it, brother. It is literally the hottest topic on Planet Retard at this very moment.
>>19483624>Again, read your statement again and you will see you are not the average person.You're right. The average person buys into the bullshit. >You were already going to tune in next week.lol I haven't really watched wrestling seriously since 1998
>>19482334What gets me is that who the fuck thinks that anyone but Cena himself decided on how to finish? Sure maybe other people got involved in how the match itself might work, but the finish and Walter going over would be 100% Jawn's decision.
>>19483647Before HHH it was all Vince's fault. Now it's all HHH's fault. I guess nobody can do it right. But reality is, this was probably all Cena's idea.
>>19483648they’re talking about how stupid it is because triple paul can only rely on shock.
>>19483648The finish was not compelling and you’re referring to the fallout because you’re a retard simp for the worst wwe booker of all time
>>19483226Sting was able to go over because he was giving Darby the rub. Which I actually think was a cool way to do a retirement match (and because Darby was the only person in AEW who isn't a shitter).
>>19483369This will do nothing for Gunther with the fans. The boos he will receive will be boos for HHH. And he will continue to be mocked with chants of YOU TAPPED OUT because of Paul’s previous foolish booking with the Yeetman.The heat he gets will not be “his” heat, and fans will always now see him as a fraud. In 1993, when kayfabe is alive and well, this is great booking. But this is the age of Unreal. They’re wide open about how produced and staged it all is. This was literally the worst possible booking for Gunther in 2025. It won’t help his character generate actual heat as a heel. People know too much.
>>19483663it’s stupid, will always be stupid. never give up doesn’t mean sometimes give up. it destroyed cenas character and legacy.
Based Gunther retiring the shitters that ruined the business
>>19483662Cena is also a retard as this entire final run proved. Vince really was a one of a kind tard wrangler
>>19483665>>19483671Okay but at least i liked it, I don't care about you.
>>19483679>it destroyed cenas character and legacyWho cares though?Nobody liked his character in the last 20 yearsHe got boring 2 decades ago and everybody hated his predictable vanilla style of wrestlingHis "never give up" shit was always cringeThe only way you wouldn't feel that way about him is if you were actually a kid 20 years ago
>>19483747i don’t care i never liked cena but it’s literally a retarded decision
>>19483678>The boos he will receive will be boos for HHHOnly from smarksThe kids will see him as the big asshole who beat their hero and thats all that matter40-year-old virgins dont matter anywayLet them boo whoever they wantThey'll still buy the merch of whatever FOTM fart goddess they have right now
>>19483679At the very least, it DOES mean that when he comes back to do mic work, be part of storylines, or gives interviews and does charity work in character, he absolutely can no longer trot out the “never give up” message and expect anyone to buy it. THAT part of the John Cena character has absolutely been ruined forever. He could still play the Hustle, Loyalty, Respect cards though.
>>19483759It was poetic.
>>19483759Tell that to CenaBecause he is probably the one who wanted it to be that wayOr do you think he would've gone along with it otherwiseAll you niggas are defending the story and integrity of a character, who himself is responsible for the thing you dislike
Cena fans got what they deserved.
>>19483678This is your average Wrestling fan in 2025>>19483743
>>19483678This is the shit the smarks don’t admit: so many people are coming out trying to defend the decision. They want to claim the long term storytelling is lost on us, like we’re too stupid to see they wanted to sell this as Cena being overpowered by this monster who the WWE can sell.No, we all get it. And what everyone is saying is that it’s unsatisfying shit. Why? Because even the most casual person knows wrestling is fake.This might have worked 30-40 years ago, but it’s just shit now. Yeah yeah, for the 100x time, you don’t have to explain what they were trying to do or what retirement matches have historically been: I’m here with everyone else to tell the smarks it sucks and defending it really makes you look out of touch.
>>19483780>he is probably the one who wanted it to be that wayUnlikely. In the literal dozens of interviews he’s been doing over the last 2 weeks, he’s openly talked about not being involved in the outcome decisions. That’s their job. It’s his job to execute. If HHH had come to him and said, “You’re winning tonight,” Cena would say, “Yessir boss. I’ll do my best to execute.”There’s a zero percent chance he’d inject his own thoughts into that. He doesn’t have thoughts on that. He’s made that ABUNDANTLY clear in interviews. He’s a soldier. He does what he’s told. He takes pride in it.
>>19483802I like Stephanie Vaquer a LOT, but can we stay on topic?
>>19483810Dude, if wrestlers don't like the booking, and they have the power to influence the booking decision, they will.I don't care what he said in some interview. Do you think he's gonna go "yeah whenever they want me to do something I don't wanna do, I just refuse and threaten to walk out on them"?He had the power to say "thats not what I wanna do" and he went along with it.He was at the very least ok with it.
>>19482324indoctrinated by e-drone parentsvery sad stuff
That was the last great match, I am afraid so. I don't think you will ever witness such greatness and kino combined into one for the rest of your mortal life.
Oh no, a crying fan in full Cena gear that caused this shitshow in the first place, we need to give up professional wrestling to cater to them one more time
>>19483808Correct. The stereotypical IWC fans who fancy themselves as pro-wrestling gatekeepers are condescendingly gaslighting millions of frustrated new fans into believing this was a good, right, and just booking that they shouldn’t feel frustrated about, and if they do, it’s because they “don’t understand.”
>>19483829>I don't care what he said in some interviewWell, you should. I mean, if you don’t want to have a wrong opinion, you should. But if you want to continue being wrong, then go ahead.
>>19483876retard
>>19483776>more Reddit posts
>>19483423some times the ride does end
>smarks chanted we want VinceCope of copes
I pray that all antis improve and begin to behave more cordially
>>19482303100%, that part and all those sort of expressions.What's been bugging me from Saturday isn't so much the result it's the way the get to it. Like Cena and gang can justify it by "giving back" and putting heat on Gunther by giving him the win but to tap out? That's just drama for the sake of drama milking, extra shit on what was already a shocker disappointment. It's like the whole point is to dig in a dagger to everyone dumb enough the buy the shoddy merch and root for, I'll say it, living legend retiring. Cena himself said he's going down swinging - looked more like tap dancing Same sort of short nearsightedness of the booker with the Cody and Oba match, but with safety goggles on even with no titles on the line: It was a good showing for Oba and NXT as a whole, a no contest against the main rosters main champ as a 3-4 year rookie is a phenomenal achievement for this company where you have to be related to a Fatu to skip past years of NXT, but that's just the thing Let's not release a lighting in a bottle and do it in a way that doesn't really feel like a proper ending to the match or exciting enough to make the afterbirth team up seem rewarding. So what do we do again, interference/DQ so their no clear result or real fuel for either Cody v Drew feud or Oba v Drew? The way it happened you could have just had a masked wrestler interfere, at least there's some mystery to that even if it's just Drew himself dodging responsibility in the story. And they do this on the same night, curtain jerk and main event both having such lackluster conclusions, that's just awful planning. Whatever, it's over and done, I'm just making peace with it
>>19484144Jesus Christ why is a guy tapping out in a fake fight such a big deal to youHow much do you have to buy into the cult of Cena, that you think tapping out is beneath him?Guys tap out all the timeJust because WWE creates this myth about a character who never gives up, all of a sudden it causes you mental anguish to witness him do the opposite? It's fake fighting by actors who just pretend. The money they get from these fights matters more to them than the myth you have bought into
>>19483102Well said
>>19484170It’s not about how we feel. It’s about this booking actually being BAD for business going forward.The frustration is from the wrestling fans who realize this outcome fumbled a feel-good opportunity in an exhibition-style environment, one where the expected satisfying ending could have drawn millions of new fans into the product next year and beyond. You know what moment is played again and again? Hogan bodyslamming Andre the Giant at WM3. That moment is often cited as THE reason a generation of fans got into wrestling. It’s the magic of the good guy underdog overcoming the huge obstacle against all odds. Typical wrestling fans don’t give a shit about that stuff. But NEW FANS DO. Especially young families. Last night was supposed to be one of those moments. One of those “remember when the GOAT hero who never gives up overcomes the obstacle and defeats the evil man who was trying to make him tap out.” It could have been (and was supposed to be) a new core memory for a lot of casuals. You know, the NEW FANS who are needed to buy Netflix and ESPN+ subscriptions.And HHH fumbled it because he failed to realize it was THAT kind of moment, and instead treated it like any other match where the old retiring guy needs to go out on his back because tradition.HHH is operating under the old, outdated assumption that booking a Gunther win was what’s best for the future of the business. But he misread the moment. Booking a Cena win is what was best for the future of the business. It would’ve created a satisfying moment for new fans that got them curious about the magic that’s possible with this product. Same as Hogan slamming Andre.We’re upset because HHH hurt the BIG PICTURE future of business last night at the expense of allegedly putting one heel over. We’re upset because he genuinely doesn’t realize the trade off he made, and truly believes all the backlash and heat he’s getting today is evidence that it was the right call.
>>19484389>It’s not about how we feelno its 100% about how you feel>It’s about this booking actually being BAD for business going forward.its not
>>19484389>You know what moment is played again and again? Hogan bodyslamming Andre the Giant at WM3. That moment is often cited as THE reason a generation of fans got into wrestling. It’s the magic of the good guy underdog overcoming the huge obstacle against all odds.That match wasnt a retirement match, so you're comparing apples to orangesCena's last match was never gonna be a "hogan bodyslams andre" momentIt's an "end of career passing the torch" moment
Chat bots have gone too far, bring back Battlebots.
>>19484467The analogy is based on the shared (potential) larger than life, emotional moment generated by each match. The specific circumstances are obviously different, but they’re irrelevant.
>>19484389>It’s about this booking actually being BAD for business going forward.You didn't give a single fuck when Cena's booking put a stranglehold on building up anyone else not named Cena or Orton until he quietly fucked off to Hollywood and they had to awkwardly shuffle face Reigns in the spotTrying to act like you all of a sudden care about the business is disingenuous. Triple H's booking is dogshit and I don't think it should have been Gunther but holy fuck Cena cultists are insane
>>19484521All of this is wrong
>>19484487retard
>>19484533retard
>>19484521the faggot that made this post was born in like 2003
>>19483102I agree with everything except that Cody "finishing the story" was the right thing to do.
>>19484533>Cena hated because of his shitty character, skills and being handed championships like candy on a platter even though they're pretty meaningless runs in the end for both him and his opponents>Cena goes away for a bit.>Cena comes back with the same shitty character, skills and being handed championships like candy on a platter even they're pretty meaningless runs in the end for both him and his opponents.>Crowd now loves him.
>>19484831Look, I don’t claim to understand it, lol. But it’s true. Cena basically inverted the typical rules somehow. Usually, the old quote is: “You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”Cena was exactly the opposite. After a decade of villainy, he lived long enough to see himself become the hero. I suppose that occasionally happens in wrestling, tho. It’ll eventually happen with Logan Paul.
>grown men in their 40s wearing fuil on cena merch and cryingfucking hell
>>19484859Cena is the worst heel I know, Logan does well but loses his shit when trying to play nice kidLike Randy makes more sense as a heel, waller and femi have the same thing
>>19482329If you browse this site, you are NOT a normal fan.
>fans stop watching cause their main guy is out >"h-hah! worked!!!"
>>19484921That's right! We're all going to watch AEW now, right?
>>19484955lol
>>19484389>one where the expected satisfying ending could have drawn millions of new fans into the product next year and beyond. pure delusion. Any one seething over this is a Cena fan and not a wrestling fan, they wouldn't be tuning in once he retired.
>>19484170Because it I like to watch good entertainment in general and want to be at least passable in quality and sensible regardless of what direction the story in it takes? Do I need WON writers credit to criticize something that's clearly bad for business?Who enjoyed that turd Joker 2: Assfucked clown deux ? Did you suck the directors nuts for just doing a fake story by actors who just pretend, that was just ok and acceptable because the first one made money? Or pick any movie, tv show or media you've equivalent of that type pancaked, crash and burn finish, you gonna justify to yourself it was a good waste of time? Where did I at any point in that review say I'm a Cena fan? Calling him a legend is purely factual regarding name recognition, history, sales and the amount of fans he has. Regardless, yes, tapping out was beneath him and a disservice to the fan and hopefully to the company with some plummeting sales so they can get their head out of their ass. Stop them from sniffing their own farts with their "record gates" that make with fleecing inflated pricing than merit and make them see how good they actually are in writing department.
>>19485004are you mentally ill?
>>19482303pw lukerer here. Are fans mad because Cena ended it on a loss or mad because he lost in weak way?
>>19483458No it doesn't though. You can still fail at something even if you don't give up and put in every last part of yourself you can. That's life brother. You're not always going to win no matter how bad you might want to, no matter how much you give something, no matter if it kills you. You can always still come up short. Walking out on a match you know you can't win and getting counted out is giving up. Getting intentionally dq'ed to get out of it is giving up. Facing the challenge dead on even though you know you're going to lose and still losing is the opposite of giving up
>>19484986Disagree.It could’ve been the proverbial “won’t remember what happened but remembered how it made them feel” moment, demonstrating the fun storytelling that’s possible in this medium. Those good feelings can remain and carry over into further interest in the product, regardless of whether Cena is still there. That’s the other thing Paul failed to grasp: last night wasn’t really about “John Cena” either. It was more about the heroic archetype he represented, and the desire to see that hero ride off into the sunset like a good Hollywood movie. Last night could’ve (should’ve) been a symbolic representation of wrestling’s unique ability to craft aspirational narratives where the hero wins (when everyone knows that doesn’t always happen in reality). Instead of giving new fans that escape during a fucking exhibition card on a Saturday night during the fucking hope-filled holiday season, HHH played it serious, straight, and grinch’d all over it. He had the opportunity to think big (creating a true moment that showed new fans what’s possible with this artform), and instead he played it small (putting over a middling heel for a 2026 storyline).
>>19483544>And the told the story so well that someone on 4chan has to explain it to me.Except I'm on here too and didn't need it explained to me. I just watched the match and recounted what I saw>>19483439Appreciate ya anon
>>19485069You recounted the shit booking that made no sense sure
>>19482334are you stupid or devious?
>>19485053>You can still fail at something even if you don't give up and put in every last part of yourself you can. That's life brother.dude he tapped outhe gave up
Should've been an ankle lock
>>19482334Fpbp
>>194850312nd. Obviously.
>>19484170Why do you even defend awful booking on wrestling forums if the caring about the product's quality is irrelevant in your eyes??
>>19485031weak way and to a nothing move, everyone saying anything else is straight up trolling or gaslighiting
>>19482334Dumb frog poster gimmick has go away heat with me
>>19485152You got worked, nigga
>>19485132I don't
>>19482303Look at all these SMARKS. Little kids, women in Cena shirts, men in their 20s who were definitely BOOING Cena when they were 8. No they aren't just the little jimmies all grown up, they're obviously LE FICKLE SMARKERINOS LMAO
>>19485152>to a nothing moveIt's one of his finishers. He has made numerous people tap out with it. >but other wrestlers use it as an ordinary move!So you're excusing move inflation then.
>>19483892Exactly
>>19485152>and to a nothing moveHow do you expect anyone to take a word you say seriously?
