John Cena lost himself within a character. Like all wrestlers, he was a shaman. He was possessed by an archetype of the jungian hero who overcomes all odds and inspire the people to do the same. All wrestlers are shamans, and the succesful wrestlers are a vessel for an jungian archetype of the human consciousness and thus, are able to identify with people at a profound level because we all foster that archetype within our mind and wrestle with its thoughts. Examples of these mega-succesful wrestlers are CM Punk as the 'Outlaw', the one who wishes to rebel. John Cena was the 'Hero', the one we draw our resiliance from, the urge to overcome the odds. The same way we despise CM Punk when he fails to live up to the 'Outlaw' and is a hypocrit (the Outlaw follows rebellion to a fault), we despise Cena when he failed to live up to the 'Hero'. But that is the beauty of it. We only despise them because we had to love them in the first place.Cena, more than any other wrestler, occupied his life doing 'Make a wish', being an ambassador to wrestling, and becoming this unreal superman. He was more archetype than man. Who even is John Cena? He His entire farewell tour was a fascinating deconstruction of his own character. He embraced his shadow fully (the Hermit to the Hero), and gradually crawled out of the darkness as the fans went from booing to cheering. And in the end, he achieves not his return to Hero, but synthesis. In the end Cena taps out. He is free from Super Cena. He is free from Make a Wish. He is free from being the first to arrive and the last to leave. He is free from expectation. You see as the archetype leaves his body, he tenses down, smiles to the camera. He is no longer a toy, he has embraced his shadow out of love for himself. A love that - we must admit - earned.And taps free.This is now wrestling's greatest storyline, but it will take forever until people understand. They are in grief. Cena died, so Cena can live.*****
>>19483402is this from cagematch?
>>19483420damn i just checked cagematch and this is the first review listed>[2.0] "A very subpar show with glimpses of greatness that just had to end with the obvious attempt to slowly integrate (alleged, but very likely) sexual predator Vince McMahon back into the company.
>>19483420Chatgpt
>>19483435>>19483420Are you fucking imbeciles? Do you think human beings have no capacity of reflrection? They require a GPU vampire to throw in an analysis of anything? Holy fucking shit, I am so triggered. This is not fucking ChatGPT. This is a lifelong fan who cried, got angry, then ultimately understood what the entire farewell trip was about.This was a magnum opus that only made sense in the very end. This was an Jungian journey that had already been predicted in the Bray Wyatt 'House of Horrors' match. This was the liberation of John Cena, it was beauty and art. And psychologically, it is the liberation of the man John Cena from the character that consumed decades of his life.I fucking hate this whole 'everything is AI' thing. I am starting to think it is unironic. People have become legitimate retards, they think GPT's gibberish is wisdom, they can't interpret anything and think others are equally incapable.Seriously, what the hell
Yeah it was a lot like Evangeliongreat buildup and plot subverted by a booker/writer trying to do way too much. likely wont be the final ending because the booker/writer will revive the series multiple times to finally get a good ending on the 3rd try
i put the evangelion congratulations music over the post-match scene at the ring, but catbox is a literal piece of shit website that won't spit out a link to the upload so i can't post it
Neat shitpost. Probably a wasted effort in writing that though.
reminded me a lot of the ending to End of Evangelion where they all accept theyre fucking doomed and all of NERV dies with smiles on their faces from seeing their loved ones again and accepting instrumentality
>>19483402Thanks chatgpt
>>19483492Fuck you the ending of Evangelion (both of them) was great>>19483402Interesting read, I might have to rewatch the match with that in mind
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>>19483578Damn grok is pissed
>>19483578AI can't understand subtlety, it only repeats the most vapid, run of the mill opinions possible. That is why it is so popular among vapid people, and an adequate oracle of their opinions.I can't wait until this bubble bursts.>>19483548It changes everything and gives meaning to the Cena farewell tour. It is beautiful, it cannot be booked or created. it is a story only wrestling could tell. It is about a shaman finally letting go and becoming free, first through the embrace of his shadow (heel turn and attacking the fans), and finally through synthesis.It is beautiful, heart-shattering, but the most understanding of human consciousness wrestling can get. Reminds me of Shawn Michaels x Undertaker, or Shawn x Flair.This went in a level of psychology beyond any wrestling match before.
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>>19483685nah, it’s straight up retarded. never give up doesn’t mean give up sometimes. total character assassination.
>>19483402brother, i get you. been reading about jungian archetypes over the last year and am convinced wrestling is the ultimate medium for them, whoever is in the ring for whatever match, are two archetypes wrestling ultimately with themselves, and their own ego. wrestling as an artform, as hillbilly and redneck as people have always viewed it, is actually pretty deep. i can watch any superstars, wrestling challenge etc match, or okada vs shibata and see the same thing. every time. don't get me started on marks wearing spinner belts and john cena merch, making salutes at cameras with mental children whose parents simply wanted a photo of their child standing next to the belt. fuckin bless them anyway.
>>19483402>THE EVANGELION OF WRESTLINGThe Rebuild version maybe: a souless cashgrab made by a self-mark who can't write shitOnly difference is that Paul didn't force his wife on it
>>19483402What is with people that watch something dogwater and then try to gaslight themselves into thinking it's good by long winded "examinations" about its subversive themes? It happened with Star Wars, it happened with Nu-Predator, it's happening with Cena's match. Is it really so hard to stop fart huffing and just call a pile of shit, shit?
Asuka > Rei
>>19483817Video essays have ruined a lot of people's critical thinking.It's caused them to look deeply into puddles to form their own canon of what is there. Sometimes it can lead to creative processes or ideas, but most of the time the curtains are blue.
>>19483797>>19483817This is deep, though. This entire farewell trip was deeply psychological. Wrestling is pure jungian storytelling.>>19483902There is far more into everything than the subtle, though. You people are ignorant to context. No one is making things up to overcomplicate it. There are many layers to wrestling, as there is for any storytelling. And wrestler has the added human component, that painful tussle between character and man. Wrestles are shamans, especially the good ones. They tell the stores that compose the encore canon of mankind, that is why they succeed. People like Cena, Punk, Austin.If you don't understand storytelling, archetypes of the human mind, how succesful human stories fall into repetions of these same stories, and how the wrestlers are the ultimate victims of this, you are hopeless.In the retirement match of Cena, the curtains are not just blue. There are things happening within the spectator, within the crowd, within Cena, within the script and within Gunther (who really could be anyone, this was a Cena VS Himself match. Even odd how many of the spots, it is Cena harming himself too).There is so much happening in these 15 minutes of fighting, and in the farewell tour. This is one of the clearest journeys of embracing one's shadow and gradually coming to terms with it. And in the end, there is the beautiful 'tap out', this good action of Cena towards himself. He could have chosen to pass out like in other matches in the past, but this has far more meaning.I am glad John Cena is finally free of the archetype, but there is a reason why we are feeling in grief today, as if someone had died. Someone indeeed died yesterday on camera, but this someone had to die because Cena could not and did not want to bear the weight of him anymore. He then gave us a smile and a farewell, and faded.
>>19483402>He is free from Make a WishHe will continue to work with Make a Wish.
>>19484002Just like any other actor, no more like real life Superman. No more endless make a wish demands.
reminds me of the rebuild of evangelion series
>>19483984The curtains are fucking blue, anon. Cena's entire retirement run has been pure schizophrenia propped up by moments rather than any sort of storytelling direction.
>>19484448Storytelling in wrestling is never perfect because there is so much that the writers cannot control, but ultimately everyone is trying to tell a coherent story even if they are not given complete control of the plot. And the stories humans tell and understand are but a few. We have to build these stories upon injuries, mistakes in the delivery of scripts, crowd chants, confused wrestlers, misdirected shows and other chaos.Ultimately, the person telling the story from the heel turn to this ending is John Cena, since he is the most in control of it all. The result is a great jungian tale of embracing one's shadow and being reborn. HHH fumbled a lot of the booking, but this ending ties everything together in one of wrestling's greatest stories.This is something you don't even see in movies or books anymore. It is the father that, having done his role, finally gives in to fragility. It is the saint that finally chooses himself as his benefactor. There is a great story being told here, that built upon itself. We are lucky it managed to end, even if some parts felt like filler (like the Lesnar fight).
>>19483402If it wasn't too much work for no pay, I'd make a edit out of this match with fade in of the highlight reel they showed with Komm susser tod blasting in the background. At the end I'd put "Just Give up" text slowly fading in and turning the screen black with just the text on it.
>>19485086John Cena did not give up, he broke free.Analyse that together with everything from the retirement tour. It is about embracing one's shadow, being reborn, and finding peace.
>>19483825Misato
>>19483402Gnostic gobbeldy gook, return to Christ
>>19483402Thank you triple H for explaining your deep story line for us!
>>19485357So did Shinji, so did Shinji
>>19486805This is unironically a great wrestling story. It is filled with unpredicted things, build ups without payoff, and the entire thing comes together like a miracle due to the force of will of John Cena.Triple H can't get the credit for this, John Cena gets. John Cena told us the most jungian longterm storyline imaginable.This needs to be studied in a psychoanalysis course. This was a hero's journey, death, redemption and rebirth.
>>19483735and somehow your resolve to Never Give Up is stronger than everit wasn't a character assassination, it was a character pushed to his absolute limit until there wasn't possibly anything left to do but the impossible, you react so strongly at this bittersweet ending because it evoked those feelings in a way that made you understand the character more than ever - all those years of why can't he just stop and now at the end he finally stops and it melts mindshe's done. he said he was done. this was it. and, at the end of a match where he was clearly cornered, he knew he was done and did the one dignified thing an old defeated leftover can do - he bowed out, his time was upgood stuff op
i hope, just like the rebuild of evangelion movies, we get a time jump and cena returns in 2032 as a shadow of himself, like misato did when she became the leader of Wille
>>19483402>we despise Cena when he failed to live up to the 'Hero'.No one despised Cena, they despised the writing.>Who even is John Cena?A man who was about hustle loyalty and respect- until not evidently.>His entire farewell tour was a fascinating deconstruction of his own character. He embraced his shadow fully (the Hermit to the Hero), and gradually crawled out of the darkness as the fans went from booing to cheering.The fans never booed.>In the end Cena taps out. He is free from Super Cena. He is free from Make a Wish. He is free from being the first to arrive and the last to leave. He is free from expectation.He hasn’t been Super Cena in years and this is a terrible message to send for the character, John Cena doesn’t do make a wish because he has to or because it’s a character to live up to it’s because he’s a genuinely good person- something that cm punk, triple h, Chris Jericho, Brock Lesnar and even Daniel Bryan have failed to understood amongst many of his foils across the years. John Cena was never a real man pretending be a superhero he was a superhero because he just happened to be a real man that went above and beyond the standards human limitations when it came to accountability kindness and above all- being an asskicker in the ring. This post purposely omits all the mistakes and retardation that takes place during this “story”- Cena’s half assed heel turn, selling his soul to the rock, attacking r truth for no reason, turning babyface again because the original plans just failed. It’s not lynchian, lt’s mangling and destroying of John Cena’s character written for and by people who have NEVER understood the character in the first place. In its attempt to mythologize it fails to see that the character was never mythical- it tears the character down to make him seem fraudulent when that was never the case.0/10 post, genuinely- you’re not a real John Cena or WWE enjoyer.
>>19488453Exactly. But this is too mature.
>>19483495If the file is small, upload it to /wsg/If it's too big, then keep trying kek
>>19483402if he's a shaman why didn't he pass out hallucinogens before his matches?
>>19488729[GREAT NEWS] i tried it again a few times and it workedhttps://files.catbox.moe/993alg.mp4
>>19488773He's not a shaman
I just got off the phone with my mom about the big match.
>>19483984>>19484778This anon gets it. I'm personally not a fan of how it was pulled off but these are all valid points
>>19483402Fuck Triple H but I also had this thought in a much more jagged and incomplete way. It was time for the character of John Cena the wrestler to finally rest. Still fuck Triple H though.
>>19483984Beautiful words. There's this certain aspect of humbleness about Cena ending his career at a modest Saturday night main event rather than at the grandest stage of them all ; Wrestlemania... The wrestlemania headliner ending his career at a wrestling special in the last month of the year. A bittersweet end for the most polarising figure in the WWE. It's sad yet beautiful and humble in a way.
>>19487871Heroes get triumphs at the peaks of their journeys. Sometimes their journeys have a tragic or a humble ending. I agree with you anon. Most people will not see it because I guess their love blinds them in a way.
Bump
he's going to the dub
>>19488790Kino.
>>19489229They don't see it cause when the audience asked for it the hulkster got up once again brother didn't sold the punches to his shoulder and YOU a mofoWhen the crowd chanted supercena he took another lariat and slept the rest of the match
I just watched it and it's absolute kino. Been a fan of Cena since I was a kid and I thought it was a great finish. It also helps that it's against someone who's actually good at wrestling instead of someone like Lesnar.I'll miss him but I was already tired of him jobbing to everyone for the past 10 years. Seeing him win matches again felt good. I marked out when Cole finally redeemed himself saying STFU AND Avalanche FU.
>>19489570His wwe championship run this year was descent. Not his best title run but ok.
>>19488790Put this on youtube, anon
>>19483402>John Cena: Death & Rebirth>when WWE met Jordan Peterson
Bump from beyond the ring. If you want some, come get some.
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