Who was the better heel? Who drew the most heat?
>>19485013Dio was such a good heel they had to bring him back to face another top babyfaceKira was my personal favorite oneTooru was completely dimeless, but his stand was cool
>>19485032I feel bad for Dopio. People always give Diavolo credit for his died with Rissoto because of his last minute interference even though it was Dopio who did most of the work.
Dio is an unrelenting draw and the indisputable top dog but for me it's Valentine working the marks with his America First gimmick.
>>19485032I heard Tooru was a last minute decision as they were obviously favouring Jobin as the next big heel until his push was cut short dramatically. I wonder if he had some heat backstage.
>>19485013Dio for sheer charisma and drawing power.Kira is my personal favorite.Pucci worked everyone into a shoot with the "reset" that got the entire roster replaced.
>>19485013Dio and Dio
>>19485032I used to think this, but after rereading Jojolion I actually appreciate Tooru a lot more for what he brings to the story as a foil to Gappy's journey. I do think he was introduced kind of late though (and also that Jojolion has a lot of issues in presentation).
>>19485013Don't know what any of these weird gay cartoons are
>>19485013Valentine for his antihero patriot gimmick. There's a reason his era is the attitude era of his fed.
It's way harder to rank the best face of the series.
Dio is a heel so good and charismatic that he almost gets face reactions, so he chose to put over the new generation at the exact right time and left.Similar for Kira.Diavolo got completely squashed and fans leave with sympathy, bad booking.Tooru has severe go away heat and killed the promotion. Howler's trying to rebuild things but we'll have to see how it goes.Valentine is smark bait, "cheer 4 le heel xD" bullshit. The only good thing about him is that he got a clue and got in shape.For true heat, its between Pucci and Kars.
>>19485013Dio and it's not every remotely close by any measure.>>19485212Jonathan, Joseph and Jotaro are the rare triple Michaels
>>19485238Zeppeli clears
>>19485255Johnny & Gyro tag team trumps all
>>19485221>KarsOpinion discarded. He was future endeavoured from the fed and would have been a jobber by the time the next era started.>Valentine is smark bait, "cheer 4 le heel xD" bullshit. The only good thing about him is that he got a clue and got in shape.Valentine is the charismatic antihero working a patriot gimmick, that will always get over in the territories.>Tooru has severe go away heat and killed the promotion. Howler's trying to rebuild things but we'll have to see how it goes.Tooru is probably the jeanetty of them all. KWABOAT look, motives, story. Only thing that saves him a little is his in ring set but work rate doesn't draw if there is nothing else to go off. Is Howler the new mega heel? Is he good? I stopped watching the newest promotion during the cat arc because I hated waiting for new episodes.
>>19485272>Is Howler the new mega heel? Is he good?Don't know yet, maybe. Yeah he's good so far.>>19485212GOATaro>Dimeseph>Johnathan>Josuke>Jolyne>Crybaby Johnny>>>>Boreno>Gappy No DimesNot ranking Jodio yet but so far I'm not a fan.
https://animekai.to/watch/jojos-bizarre-adventure-jj3j#ep=1
I have no idea what this is because I’ve had consensual sex where I put my penis into the vagina of a woman I have no genetic or legal relationship to
>>19485078>expecting a guy called Jobin not to job>>19485083KWAB
>>194850131 . Dio - Hogan level runs. Generational infuence. Baby faces can't stop talking about him without resetting the entire universe and still returns for the video games to be the draw. All time GOAT. Easy number 1.2. Valentine - majestic outstanding performance a heel/tweener hitting the right questions and adding depth to the story with politics and moral quandries outshined by Dio's legacy but it's a different and more human approach to being a villain.3. Kira - Dio level GOAT performance in a smaller territory, Peak NJPW style legend run with a sad flop finish and retirement into obscurity. 4. Diavolo - Initially you'd think this would have a easier time clearing competition but as it turns playing two scene chewing at the same time with overpowered abilities to boot is a hindrance against second best hero team of the series keeping fans invested.5. Pucci - the grand spectacle of the final stages of the first universe couldn't have asked for a better focused villain. played the villain perfectly with great move sets but ultimately will go down as a intergender match specialist and losing to a child.6. Kars - absurd powerlevel booking amounts to absolutely nothing at all, total promo failure faction. Overrated cunt carried by babyface team and his own team mates who even as comedy jobbers were more interesting and capable. 7. Tooru - booker flops the entire territory with Tony Khan style whimsical booking that no personal highlights in performances can save.
>>19485013Dio was faggot trash for boomers. So was Kars. Kira and Valentine were dimes and Pucci was pretty good as well. Never read part 8
>>19485460I forgot to add: the beetle was a better villain Tooru.
>>19485478
>>19485212Giga Michaels:>Joseph>Polnareff>Josuke>JotaroMichaels:>Speedwagon>Johnathan>Bucciarati>Jolyne>Giorno
The entire series was gay garbage that is the peak of reddit attitude. But it's been enjoyable having you retards reframe it using wrestling perceptions.That may owe to wrestling currently being so shit that it works better in reference these days.Anime mentality being the common factor in why stuff is shit is a pretty interesting factor wouldn't you say.
I remember Stardust Crusaders being extremely popular back in 2014
>>19485842Get a clue, anon
>>19486155No. The show is hommusexual zoomerbait for people incapable of producing testosterone.
>>19485013Kars got actual heat
>>19485212Its so easily Joseph it isnt even funny, they tried burying him by making him unfaithful but it didnt do anything to him. giga babyface
>>19485013If you didn't like Toru, you didn't understand the narrative.
I heard that Diavolo was raped in the summer of '92
Jotaro losing in his retirement match to put Pucci over was not a good decision...
>>19485013no one will say this but dub diavolo is the best thing about jojo villainspucci part 6 is just shit and boringdio has been used so much by the time you get to part 6 its not the same guy from 1 the character is heel cena by thenkars is the fiend kira cool villain nice gimmickfunny valentine could be better depending on the dub voicetooru who the fuck cares
>>19486220it's gen x chadkino thoughbeit
>>19486818It's zoomer feverdream of gen x nostalgia
>>19485013Its dio and kira.All others are ok or I havent read/watched all of part 5 and beyond.Kars could have been the goat but the job him out too quick.Von Stroheim is quite possibly the most based depiction of Nazi in any form of media
>>19485013Diavolo was so dimeless I stopped watching this trash. Did it ever get good again?
>>19485013>Best HeelValentine>Most HeatKira
>>19487034I think part 6 was the last good part. Didnt care for 7 and hated part 8.
>>19486694It was his attempt at redemption for constantly burying Josuke. That whole main event in which Josuke jobbed to Kira only for Jotaro Hogan to come in last second and beat him for the belt was total bullshit.
>>19485212Its Joseph above all else.Part 2 should have been as long as part 3 fuck even longer.Robert E O Speedwagon is the eternal Michaels of the series.
>>19487140Josuke is dimeless
>>19485310So have I and all my friends that I watched JoJos with
>>19485212That would be the ACE Josike Higashikata (part 4)
Yo, Angelo
>>19486815>funny valentine could be better depending on the dub voice>the dub voice
>>19485013>most dimes Dio >most underratedKars >most kino Funny >best matches Dio >best promos Dio >most heat Pucci >most go away heat Tooru >best booking Funny >best begging Kira >best final match Funny >best entrance theme Kars >>19485212It's Jonathan, and anyone saying otherwise is a retarded mark.
>>19487140Josuke looked great in that match though. Damn near every blowoff match has the JoJos team up on the heel but Josuke was actually the underdog for a change. He had to take on both Kiras while also trying to protect Hayato and Okuyasu. Josuke definitely should have got the finish though. Apparently Yoshikage didn't want some newbie like Josuke ending his run so politicked to have Jotaro, Koichi and even a fucking ambulance spot do it instead.
Johnny's retirement tour wasn't cool at all bros...
>>19487440Also keep in mind that the booker tried to find the sweet spot between week to week and long term storytelling booking during Josuke's era. While Josuke is a reliable and trusted worker, the booker tried to have more than one face of the company to varying degrees of success. Koichi went through developmental and came out a great worker, Okuyasu had great in ring skills but lacked the wit to call an audible, Rohan had frankly insane in ring potential that sadly never transpired. Any one of those could have been main event players and were presented as such which is why Josuke was held back from truly shining during his era, and despite all of that the booker couldn't let go of his notion that the company needed a true ace which meant that he had to call in a quick favor from Jotaro.
I think Hol Horse should have been a main eventer.
>>19485032>>19485013Tooru should have been introduced a lot earlier, but have absolutely no hints that he has WoU until the same point that he appears in the story now.
Valentine is not even a villain, he is based beyond believe
>>19487583Rohan left for the indies and never looked back. Heard he booked a show at Lourve.
>>19485013>gets straddled with the nazi gimmick>makes it work and gets overKneel.
They've come close but it's hard to top the GOAT stable.
>>19487843Not even Josephs best group
>>19487583>Rohan Rohan had his dreams cut quick when he shot on Josuke's hair. Josuke went on record several times in shoot interviews how extremely sensitive he was to his hair, as he modeled it after someone who saved his life. If you recall, Josuke shot on Rohan for real and went too far and he had to be shoot hospitalized for a few months... it's amazing how they didn't shelf Josuke after that, but the female merch sales was too much to he ignored. Thankfully Rohan recovered and even worked with Josuke after, and it seems like they made ammends.
>>19485013Joseph is the GOAT face of Jojo and part of that is becausr Kars did such a good job selling his gimmick
>>19487761Reddit is the other way pal.>>19487843Absolute dimes. Unbeatable dimes. The Crusaders are the GOATs, its that simple.
>>19487874Tagging with Ceaser does not make a group.
>>19487908It was a Hamon stable with Caesar and Lisa Lisa. Lisa was hot but she couldn't work worth a damn so I don't blame you for forgetting her
>>19487918The DX of their time
>>19487918Not all great trainers were great workers
>>19487583Man that Koichi push was a bit asinine, wasn't it? 3 gimmick swaps, valet, on screen team up with Jotaro and Joseph - a true company "the future - next in line" over commitment to only come back for sequel to put the next guy over with the marks without actually doing a proper jobbing. What a thankless cunt.
>drop AEW when they hire a tranny wrestler>drop Jojo when Araki makes a tranny characterSimple as
>>19485212Joseph. That wasn't hard at all.
>>19485013Dio drew the most heat and is the best but Funny Valentine is my favorite.
Was he the best midcard heel?It's either him or Hol Horse right?
>>19489447He’s up there. His face turn was dimes.
>>19489387Don't hate on Koichi, he's a dependable guy. A total pro who just does what the booker tells him. Three faces of Koichi was pretty based though.>>19489447Vanilla Ice too.
Johnny was easily the most dimes amongst the MCs. The evolution of Tusk, Gyro's presence, the Dark Determinationᵀᴹ that meant he wasn't a turbo bitch and would kill his enemies if need be.Shout out to part 5 though, Bucciarati is easily the most dimes character in all of Jojo. Part 7 is the undisputed king.
>>19489447>wham >midcard Don't ever disrespect my nigga like that again. ESIDISI was a midcarder. Wham was a true top card main eventer.
>>19489965Johnny spends most of 7 being a crybaby faggot. Previous JoJos just got on with things, even the girls in JoJo cried less than that faggot.
>>19490134That's why he's in a tag team with Gyro
>>19490176>gets tag teamed to death kwab
>Leader of the stable that has been feuding with the main babyfaces thoughout the year>Never gets to wrestle them himself >Jobs to the actual top heelWhat?
That shit is even gayer than wrestling
>>19485013Kinnikuman and its sequel Nisei/Ultimate Muscle which is /pw/'s approved /a/ material still have the better heels, and how to treat Canadian Wrestlers as God intended to treat them.
So we all agree that amongst JoBros the most dimes ones are Gyro and Bucciarati, right?Kakyoin, Okuyasu, and Hermes are all jobbers. Gappy doesn't even HAVE a real number two unless you count Mamezuku.
>>19485013Diavolo was never over, his stand was.
>>19490642I can agreeGyro is dimes and Bruno's story was way more compelling then GiornoKakyoin had cool moments but got kwabbed hard by Dio and is still memed on to this day, it doesn't help that Polnareff was way more of a Michaels in the SC stable, he was overshadowed Okuyasu had a cool moveset but the roster around that time was stacked so it's difficult to stand outHermes is an odd case, weird moveset, was the least interesting member of her stable, and disappeared for a good part of the storyline, i don't know if there was creative differences, i don't know what Meltzer was reporting at the time
>>19490642Speedwagon is the goat
Kars is over with me
>>19485212Jonathan was the best pure white meat babyface the promotion ever had and Joseph was the best babyface with an edge to him that not even the unfaithful husband storyline managed to bury him. I barely consider Jotaro a babyface, he's enough of an asshole that he's really more of a tweener, but he does have a measure of go-away heat with me after he got involved in the Josuke/Kira feud and made Josuke a bit-player in his own story.
