that this was botched from beginning to end.
It doesn't matter. that's why Haitch keeps smiling and laughing. You'll all keep watching. Even if you decide to check out another company, you're still going to watch WWE. He knows it, Nick Khan knows it, TKO knows it. So complain all you want. It literally does not matter.
>>19488076was pretty awful outside of the cody rematch and the aj match
>>19488090this kind of thinking is what fucked them over in the 10s
>>19488076There were times if was very good but yeah. The start and end were a mess.
>>19488076Just noticed Cena has a monkey/ape mouth.
>>19488076I guess you can say that having Travis there was a botch from the start, but I think most people would say the botch really only set in for them after the first or second post-turn segment
When Cody got booed it was actually really amazing. The shit after that though is repetitive and he got rocked and scotted
>>19488105>MMA>social media>video games>streamers>steroids>benoit>owen>WCW>TNA>ROH>AEWThey have survived everything and are making record profits in the year 2025, and the only people they ever bent the knee to were their corporate overlords and sponsors. They prove day after day, week after week, year after year, it doesn't matter what the fans want.
>>19488090>It doesn't matter. that's why Haitch keeps smiling and laughing. You'll all keep watching. Even if you decide to check out another company, you're still going to watch WWE. He knows it, Nick Khan knows it, TKO knows it. So complain all you want. It literally does not matter.pirate stream, no tix to events, no merch, kys jew tranny, we have options
>>19488256they'd be making more if they didnt decline massively
>>19488256>it doesn't matter what *terminally online Twitter bluecheck crybabies want>it doesn't matter what *Meltzer subscribers want>it doesn't matter what *bitchy YouTube podcasters wantYou won't specify because you're too much of a bitch to do so and it makes your argument fall apart.
>>19488275They are making more than ever before because simply turning on your TV and watching a show in the 90s/2000s didn't make WWF very much money. Learning to scale back the violence, the swearing, the sexual themes, allowed the company to grow to the largest size it's ever been.Making the argument that WWE should have simply grown to the size it is today while still being effectively R-Rated is an argument so stupid only a child would make it.
>>19488454I don't think being PG or not really matters that much in terms of quality. They lost fans because they stopped giving a shit. The main reason they're so profitable is because they fill a niche in the media landscape.
>>19488475A niche that is only profitable because WWE led the way by becoming PG and taking the lumps from smarks who are upset the Attitude Era didn't live forever.There's a bowling alley in not just every major city, but most smaller cities too. The highest paid PBA bowler made under $500,000 last year. Can you imagine what pro wrestling would look like today if the highest paid wrestler made $500k? That's New Japan money. The buildings would look like New Japan shows.
>>19488498I literally said the 10s in the first place
>>19488076In shoving fashion. It really exposed so much of why wrestling is failing.Also, why the fuck are so many smarks trying to sell last night as good, but no one denies the heel turn was handled terribly. This is the exact same shit, shock everyone with the swerve and then in a month or two people will be bitching how they did absolutely nothing with Gunther and wasted Cena’s retirement match.
The AJ match was one of the few really good things.
>>19488158I’d argue it was the following week or two when we hadn’t seen Cena or Rock, followed by rumbling that we may not see Rock at all.You really needed both of them to make it work. Instead Cena went after the fans and the whole thing stopped making sense by promo #1.
>>19488512Literally make the argument that Comcast, WBD, Paramount and others are idiotic and wrong for paying billions of dollars for sports/WWE/AEW while cord-cutting is at an all time high, and I'll happily concede defeat.
>>19488076Who cares at this point, one company will end up owning everything anyway.
>>19488546advertisers are desperate for ad space since the internet pays shit dividends in comparison and streamers are desperate for contentjust recently wwe fumbled into two major streamers willing to pay out at a loss for growth
Having his first heel promo in Belgium while it was like 1 pm in the US was a momentum killer
I'll copy what I said in another thread>Didn't win the Rumble because Paul was forcing Jey Uso down the fans throats>WOAT WrestleMania main event, final shot was of a rapper in John Cena's last ever Mania>WOAT heel turn where old man John had to wrestle at 0.5 for speed, ruined what should've been fun matches with Randy and Punk>Squashed by Brock for no reason that went nowhere>Final PPV appearance is getting kicked in the balls and selling for a tiny Mexican mutt woman>Final ever match they don't even give him the dignity of passing out, taps out and in the last possible moment betrays his entire careet ethos>Didn't get a retirement speech, went out with the fans chanting at the booker instead of giving him attention>Had like 2 good matches, no dream matches, worked with one young guy
It was great with tons of classic moments and ups and downs with an impactful beginning and end
Ric Flair had a better retirement in WWE than the greatest WWE legend of the 21st century
>>19488563Cody not coming out and immediately beating the fuck out of cena was a momentum killer. I can't believe people defend this company lmao
>>19488076You mean his whole career? Ya I'm pretty sure Vince booked him intentionally bad. As a joke.
>>19488090>schizo headcanon Living in your head rent free.
>>19488076I hope the ratings crater for awhile. I want to see Paul do another promo about his friend Mark
>>19488076Imagine being prototypeAgainst Brock, Shelton and Randy, all raw talent and him, well, slow
>>19489241The heel turn is different from the heel run, you knuckle dragging Pajeet.
>>19488090>>19488256>>19488454>>19488498Do you like the show though?
I blame whoever decided to inject le lazy nigger into it.
HHH should be fired for this alone. Genuinely might be one of the worst things I've ever seen. WWE and their audience deserve each other. It's all about 'moments' and social media engagement. Nothing has to make sense.
>>19488256>TNA>ROHLet's not pretend that those two were ever credible threats to WWE okay LMFAO
Amazing how Cena, notoriously known for having dogshit ideas throughout his run, booked a doshit heel turn and everyone will blame literally anyone but him. Imagine telling people in 2012 that everyone would be slobbing on Cena's knob by the end of his career. They would think you're insane.
Post any other territory/company where the booker would have NOT been fired for botching an entire year of the top guy's retirement tour. The money mark obviously doesn't count.
>>19490321Mid South under Bill Watts
>>19488270Ok? So what you faggot. You can quit but there's still a massive majority that don't.I do want to see ratings plummet because WWE has been dogshit the past few months, way worse more than normal
>>19488076The beginning was marred by Travis Scott being there, a Rock idea, and then the rest of it was botched right after by Rock not showing up and so it was this weird thing where Cena clearly joined the Rock and then they had to pivot. The best time to turn Cena heel was when they were shoving him down everyone's throat, killing the business, and people were booing him out of the building. A heel turn would have done for him what it did for Roman, break him of a goofy fag character and let him be cool again.
>>19488076Cena heel turn was great. Everything after it was shit>Cena turns heel>right away start your Euro tour so he can't make a show until 2 weeks later>no Rock and Rock is not talked about again>he instantly was jobbing to Cody for every week up until Wrestlemania that had the worst payoff imaginable
>>19488076That was the most beautiful retirement match you could ever cook up. I just had a long conversation with my mother about it.
>>19488076The only bad part was the lack of follow up on the heel turn which was Rock's fault. They should've found a way to get Edge involved to some degree as well. Beyond that it was fineIt's one of those things that's too big to ever meet everyone's expectations. If they got it perfect for one group of people then another would absolutely hate it. It's like the series finale to a tv series that's been on for decades. There's just nothing you can do to fully live up to those expectations
>>19491624Absolutely.
>”I’m not changing my attire or theme because of YOU PEOPLE and not because the billion dollar company wants to sell more t-shirts!”Pissed me off to no end.
>>19491755I bet you didn't actually get pissed off
>>19489241>taps out and in the last possible moment betrays his entire careet ethoshe's already tapped out to Jericho, Benoit, and Angle
>>19488076It couldve been better recieved with out the rock setting it in motion leaving everyone to expect his continued involvement with the heel turn.I was fine with the ride, but rock fucked it up.
>>19489737No, but i do enjoy it as im instructed to do by my pal paul.
I liked his promos, they were entertaining. Especially the crowds and the shit they were chanting. It's kind of weird, I get why he did everything the way he did. He wanted to be a real heel and tried his best to get people to hate him, not a cool heel that was just repeating Hollywood Hogan with the bad guy theme and look. I think the worst botch was how it ended, he should have admitted that his entire motivation for ruining wrestling was to encourage other wrestlers to step up and try to stop him, to leave the company with superstars who could lead with him gone. Something gay like that and add in "yall wanted a heel turn so I gave you one before I retired". But instead he was just like hey I was wrong, sorry
>>19488158>I guess you can say that having Travis there was a botch from the startI am by no means a Travis Scott fan. PLEASE believe me when I say that fucking shitHaving said that, let's all be honest here. If the booking of Cena's heel run was actually done right (and if Traviis himself was more reliable and dedicated), then his presence could have not only worked but could've also been seen as necessaryTravis' presence in the whole thing only really looks terrible in retrospect because we all know how everything ended up, and as a result we look at him like "why the fuck was he even there?"
>>19488090I'd love to watch Janel in a handicap match against vince and laurinitis in the retirement home.
