https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NSUgyaxzbnA&pp=0gcJCTwKAYcqIYzv
Two ugly retarded subhumans talking to each other?
>>19512241I'm never giving Cody a view. Fuck him.
>>19512244are you listening to the Tony Khan and Dave Meltzer call?
>>19512244how did you predict i'd reply to you?
>>19512241Let's hope that Cody brings out Cena's real personality and gets him to nerd out about real life shit as opposed to being the perfect PR little boy
>>19512244Vowbros...
>>19512268Tony is a normal looking guy
>almost 2 hoursjeez
>>19512298lol maybe if you visit a town close to a chemical plant in India.
15 minutes in and there's too much pseudointellectual shit already, compared to the great episodes with randy or kevin
>>19512356It's two corporate sociopaths. This is exactly what I expected.
>>19512241Was this filmed after or before the SNME shitshow?
>“For the last five minutes, everything I preach about story and drama and having a conversation with the audience… the ones I love are in the front row. I know my colleagues are watching on the monitor back there. We're just in a Sleeper Hold, man, but we're having that conversation with the audience. As I essentially take my last breath, I have struggled. If you think of somebody, the natural causes scenario or however we picture loss in our life, all of us have been through it. They struggle. They hang on just long enough to make sure to say goodbye to everybody that's been meaningful in their lives. And that whole day was so many unbelievably vulnerable, meaningful conversations. And then you realize, I've connected with everybody I love. Physically, I feel great. I think it's time to take that last breath. And that's that. I hate to keep going back morbidly to obituaries, but like… this person died peacefully. And knowing that like, man, we are in a good place. We’re going to be great going forward. The bottom of the t-shirt says ‘I gave everything, thank you for everything.’ And in that one moment, that was that. Going peacefully.”
>>19512364For all the shit he gets I thought Cody came across really well with all his other guests. Everything felt natural and candid. For now this is just dancing around the obvious bs that went down during the year.
>>19512241shoulndt the champ be on the road doing coke drinking booze and main eventing house shows in wyoming putting on a 45 minute classic against the local heel for the good people of chumchitnaw, wyomng. why is this bitchass talking like a woman for 2 hours and is wearing make up he is a fucking homo or what god damn when is vince coming back to take care of things
>>19512241it's like two chatgpts talking
>>19512372You think he actually realizes how hollow this all sounds?
>>19512364Cody is super charismatic, especially in interviews. Cena is just a robot to the extent he drags everyone down.
>>19512241>Cena’s favorite moment of his entire career is Phil bending the knee to that Saudi Arabian mark You can’t make this up KEK
>>19512241Tell me this is Cena in full PR mode and he's not this bizarre, evasive, word parsing politician behind the scenes to his colleagues.
>>19512364>>19512449Clearly Cena is a much less polished sociopath than Cody. If sociopathy is a bladed weapon, for Cody it's a dagger and he nods and smiles and reassures you as slips it into your heart. For Cena it's a machete and he runs at you screaming "DIE DIE DIE"
>>19512501Was he always like this or did Hollywood take his soul like they took The Rock's and replace him with a golem?
>>19512501>>19512521Cena is well trained that when he's in public, the mask goes on. He's just not well trained in concealing the fact that he's wearing a mask.
>>19512521As much as we like to joke that Hollywood changed him, Cena has always said how much he prefers a very structured, militaristic, almost soldier like lifestyle. Once you realize that everytime Cena is speaking he’s pretending as if he’s responding to a Sargent it makes a little more sense. That being said Hollywood definitely exasperated these qualities to a bit of a ridiculous degree, since you’re always expected to fall in line over there anyway.
>>19512501He is fully unironically talking about ''passionate vendors'' and this >>19512466 one hour in with barely 1 or 2 backstage stories told. What do you think?
>>19512532>well trainedUsually, you're taught to at least acknowledge the question in your own words before going into PR mode. Cody asked about "the story of the two faces" and Cena should have at least acknowledged by saying something like "In our business what we convey with our face means a lot" before going into his robotic PR answer. Would have sounded much more authentic. Cena's just not that polished at PR.
>>19512466Is that a bruh moment or what?
Why are these two doofus professionals at the peak of their industry always wearing suits?Like, not even cheeto stained suits, straight up tailored fucking suits.They remind me of my dad the way they dress and act so professionally. God, I fucking hate them and my dad.
>>19512849this is why you'll never run with the wolf pack. watch your back
>>19512521>>19512540Remember when Cena had those strict house rules and marriage contract for Nikki? I think he's just like this. Tries to be as professional as possible and be a role model, while still trying to be a little aloof. Every interview he's ever done, he's like this, with the severity of the professionalism varying.
>>19513417Imagine how batshit he will be 10 years from now. Cena kino ain't over yet.
>>19512241Holy shit Austin fucking BURIED Cena with that tarps comment.
triple nose, the rock and cena in a triple threat accountability for dogshit retirement tour on a pole match
>>19512521The whole interview feels like an episode of Inside The Actor's Studio.
That whole Taiwan thing probably got him to think even harder about what he says in public
So Cena self-sabotaged the run to help the talent? "You can't fail as hard as I did so take some risks?" Was that the idea?
>>19512372I'll always consider Cena one of the greatest ever, but it's nonsense like this that proves he lacks the sort of qualities that kept him from rising to that Austin/Rock level of excellence. Cena's heel turn garnered more attention than anything he's done in a decade, and time has taught us that Rock was the mastermind who made that night at Elimination Chamber what it was. The Farewell Tour fell to pieces creatively when the Rock was removed from it (we still don't know why, but I suspect the mystery has a darker explanation than that he was preoccupied with Moana and Smashing Machine -- but that's another topic). Cena had a number of really good moments and matches over the year, but they were not steps towards the development of a cohesive narrative whole. Thus the Farewell Tour was a disjointed mess. His creative shortcomings really undermined this final run because he didn't have a Vince or a Rock around to convince him to do something better. He had HHH, which is to say he had nothing.I have no doubt that Vince would have rejected everything Cena says here. There's no analogy between a character peacefully and involuntariy drifting away into the next life and one who voluntarily submits to an opponent in a contest a few minutes after slamming that opponent through a table. Vince would have dismissed all of this "going peacefully" nonsense and reminded Cena about the enduring and universal appeal of his virtuous babyface character's "Never Give Up" message. This message was cast in stark relief before the retirement match when his opponent, the antagonistical bully Gunther, said he was going to make a mockery of it. Then he did. Cena tapped, most of the audience understandably interpreted it in just this way, and the legacy of one of the biggest babyface characters ever has been stained forever. This is akin to having Hogan declare himself a loyal servant of ISIS after getting retired by Mohammed Hassan. Everything beforehand means less. Stunning.
>>19512449>Cena is just a robot to the extent he drags everyone downThis is a fair observation. He’s not a “fun” interview and I think that’s what most interviewers are hoping for when they get to interview John Cena.He’s sooooo measured and clinical with every response, and he takes every answer soooo seriously. You can literally see the moment in every interview when the interviewer realizes this isn’t going to be fun, it’s going to be professional and serious. And that moment is usually when the interviewer is harmlessly trying to praise him about something and he stone-seriously rejects the praise and diminishes his role in it. It’s like, dude, have a little social EQ and just accept the gesture to maintain the relaxed mood. But instead, he goes into his “well I’m just a failure who isn’t really that good and was really lucky” schpiel and it sucks the joy out of the room.People who interview John Cena start with naive jokes and laughs and end with somber seriousness.It’s….fine, I guess? You can tell it’s just not the demeanor people are expecting from a pro wrestler who wears jorts and is known for thuganomics.
>>19513998Well ultimately this all just points to the basic truth that Cena has lost (given up) his balls and this entire press tour has been a way to intellectualize and come to grips with what he knows is rotten in a way that still comes across as inspiring and grateful and whatever, because that's what influencers do now, and all hollywood stars of his caliber are trying to be infuencers first then actors second. He's been doing his best to make it clear that he had very little creative input in his final run, and trying to spin it as this professional and very grateful gesture for the gift of wrestling, but really is just a fancy way to admit that you're a complete fucking sellout who can't even be bothered with pulling something grand for his final run that would be useful with the interests that he can judge as best, instead of a board of directors' sensibility of what makes something good. He basically had a chance to finally etch his spot in the grander realm of top guys in the history of wrestling, and I share your opinion that with this he has truly proven that he will always be lesser than Hogan/Austin/Rock/Flair/Bruno etc, since guys of that stature would never compromise this much for the interest of a bunch of faceless nameless carnies.It's worse because there are too many second hand stories of Cena having an old school mindset in all kinds of situations, and that was publicly put on the spotlight with his shoot promos on Reigns for example, which shows that he really has abandoned those values for the sake of whatever this self-help poster boy schtick he's sellling is. You can't be a veteran like that and just go ''yes sir'' to having an untrained inebriated Travis Scott kill the main event to your biggest show of the year with no alternate plan.His utmost professionalism will always shine, but everything else will still remain under heavy doubts when it comes his legacy as a top guy.
>>19513636shows you why he will always be based
>>19512385These guys arent wrestlers bro, they're corporate guys
>>19513998>>19514131Good posts. Put into words what a lot of people probably felt but couldn't articulate it so well.
>>19512372It still came off retarded. Trying too hard to be cute with it.
>>19515263>>19514131>>19513998Holy fucking seething timmies. Cry harder. GOATther will stand on top and draw dimes over Cena's corpse of a career.
Extremely boring interview. The audio was completely fucked. Cena was talking in a whispered monotone voice the entire time. Cody saying "yea" every 7 seconds. Out of the entire 2 hours there was probably maybe just 3 good stories told. Would not listen again.
>>19512241Did Chodey cry again?
>>19512241What a goddamn boring interview! Played it at 2x speed, and still felt like an hour wasted. It was like listening to two autistic politicians talking.If I had to waste time listening to politicians, I would rather spend it on retarded, entertaining ones, like Trump, Biden, Rahul Gandhi, etc.
>I cried when Phil apologized such a beautiful momentWho is actually fooled by this shit?
>>19512241>1:34:16This is a pretty telling part of the interview. Cena begins joking that Cody seems on the verge of wrapping up the show. This segues into a brief dialogue over the necessary grind that comes from being a top guy in the WWE. Cena remarks that all the top guys have their own unique approach to handling those responsibilities. But then Cena ABRUPTLY changes the subject because, sensing the interview is almost over, he wants to make sure the viewers hear his defense of the booking of his Farewell Tour.It is pretty obvious that this part is heavily edited. It seems like any and all references to Rock have been cut. There is a mention of a failed effort to "mesh worlds" in a manner similar to the first Wrestlemania featuring Cindy Lauper and Liberace. The post-production cuts here probably chop up Cena's take on the role of Travis Scott in plans that apparently fell through. Cena's clear frustrations pretty much confirm the obvious that so many refused to confirm: the Rock was 100% supposed to be involved "through August" (Summerslam), but totally unforeseen and unavoidable circumstances took him off the show. Cena makes his case that the original plan may have deprived fans of the well-received programs with Orton, Punk, R-Truth, and Styles.His closing lines of this (again, heavily cut up) part of the interview are bullshit rationalizations. He observes that fans are forgiving of storyline changes in the event that a performer gets shoot injured, like Seth being removed from the Vision/Punk program for now, but then asks:>"What if it's an emotional injury? What if we deem things aren't working out? What if somebody says 'I just can't make it'? *Cena throws up his hands in exasperation* Like, it just doesn't work sometimes. And instead of bitching about what we coulda had, the imaginary thing, lookit what we got dawg."We got a mess that made no sense with some good moments here and there. Cena hears this, knows it's true, and it bothers him.
>>19515641Great post ty. So he really didn't offer any meaningful explanation?
>>19515641The bigger issue is that Cody and Cena's stories should have been very deeply intertwined because I do think the payoff was always Cena dropping back to Cody after turning face. SummerSlam probably would've been a Cena face turn by turning on Rock. Maybe that's why they held onto the heel run so long, in case they could get Rock back for that moment. If you could get Rock to commit for just WM and Backlash then you've got a great two match series against Cody tying everything together easily and establishing Cody's chase, if Rock isn't available you need to establish Cody's chase without him. Part of the problem was that after Rock wasn't available they just went through Cena's checklist of past opponents instead of establishing the ties to Cody's story. CM Punk should've been the first match, the Cena/Logan tag should stay, cut R-Truth, cut Orton. Make Cody claw his way back to the title, losing close number 1 contender matches to strong opponents. Roman would've been a great opponent for heel Cena because you can develop the story from Roman beating Cody, Cody wonders if he's regressing type of thing.
>>19515385They're both self-important fart huffing marks that have forgotten that what they do for a living is act and play fight (poorly) as cartoon characters. They're children's entertainers. Not that they should be ashamed of that but they're acting like they're misunderstood artistes unlocking the universe's unanswered mysteries.
>>19516067I was waiting for the Rock to show up shortly after Summerslam. I thought the story would be that the Final Boss unleashed Lesnar on Cena as punishment for breaking some kayfabe agreement and then losing to Cody. That never happened, and the Lesnar/Cena storyline ended up being....... there wasn't one. Lesnar came back and beat up Cena for no reason, then he squashed him and that was that. I find it kinda surreal that this is where we're at. The Creative Department doesn't create anything. In lieu of competent writers, the performers need to come up with ideas of their own and execute them as best they can. This has always been a weak point of Cena's and that comes across in this interview. Too bad we didn't get any vague explanation on why they finally decided to abandon the "countdown to wrestling's ruin" angle and reverse course by having Cena go face again in a single Smackdown promo. I'd bet anything that, by the time his Hall of Fame induction speech rolls around, Cena will be making fun of his own terrible Farewell Tour and asking fans to pretend it didn't happen.
>>19513998>I suspect the mystery has a darker explanation what did the walls tell you
>>19516161he flashed his pecker
>>19516161Sngroli Oat threatened The Rock
>>19515641My tinfoil theory is that Triple H, known to be extremely petty throughout his career, was kind of miffed that this dude who came in after him and had exponentially more success than him gets a farewell tour while he signed off his career in a house show tag match, and Cena doesn't really care for the doofus son-in-law and suits who kicked his mentor and patron out of his own company, plus when he was willing to work a full schedule in the final year, they told him they only needed the thirty odd appearances from him. He's now in movies and tv shows so why does he need to give a shit if the company doesn't care?So I think they both kind of half-assed the whole thing until it was too late. There's zero reason not to have come up with a half decent yearlong arc even if the Rock decided to peace out unless you gave minimum effort to the whole thing.
>>19512241Just listened to it on my walk. I know one day Cena might break out of the robot suit, but not after recently signing on to being an ambassador. He knows he'll still continue to make good money from being involved with WWE. Him saying Punk making amends with Saudi Arabia being the greatest moment of his career was the carniest thing I've ever heard. Lol!
>>19516153>the performers need to come up with ideas of their own and execute them as best they canWhich is weird right? Because the midcard is all about learning to work with writers to tell stories and get over. At the main event level wrestlers should already know how to put a basic wrestling story together.>>19516196Losing Rock sucks but it was never Rock's story anyway. It was Cena and Cody's story. Rock was a salvageable loss. But they just like, stopped telling a story. Just random thrown together matches.
>>19516217I think Cena just isn't a mark for the business at all in terms of his accomplishments and is already looking to the future and purposefully chose a moment that wasn't his and it's just a metaphor for changing and growing, moving forward etc.
>>19512244We didn't ask for the story of how your parents met
>>19516246Eh. Saudi is a big backer in Hollywood/Entertainment and of course WWE. He knows where his bread is buttered. Never believe a pro wrestler isn't working you. Cena learned from the best.
>>19512241They're getting fairly roasted in the comments.
>>19515278Yeah it really was some Nickelodeon tier shit. Something you'd expect out of 2009 WWE. I indirectly blame Flair vs Michaels for its melodramatic ending.
>>19513417Heel autistic cena was kino on that show
Im sick of the forced positivity in everything now>WWE is better than ever, I never look at the past, I never question if we could do it better, I never fantasy book because that's not reality, reality is a privilege and I live in the now, I don't question what I am asked to do because loyalty is a virtue. Stone cold calling out the tarps is an honor. Cody thanked Cena like 20 different times. Worst part is we know this isn't genuine at all. There's no way they talk like this off screen.
Guys do you think Cena did it?Like the stories David otunga and Alex Riley have documented are true?Now that he is practically retired and in a janitorial (ambassador role) will more allegations come out of how much of a piece of shit he is?
>>19512244we don't want to hear you and your tranny lover
>>19512521>>19513417Cena had Flair and possibly Corny telling him to keep Kayfabe in front of cameras all time.If anything, he is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19HyqsGBjM
>>19518226Obviously. Fake positivity people have the biggest skeletons in the closet.
>>19518220It reminds me of all the stories about living in a one party communist state and being forced to walk on eggshells all the time so you wouldn't be fed to the hyenas
>>19512241What a nigger
>>19513998>>19514117>>19514131Good posts
>>19515385>Rahul Gandhi,No dogs and Indians on peedub, jeet.
>>19519351>No dogs and Indians on peedub, jeet.All dogs and Indians inside your mom though
>highlight of the interview is john sucking the anus of the kingdom of saudi arabiahow can any respectable person watch wwe?
>>19516196I've noticed a clear difference between HHH the backstage politicking wrestler and HHH the Chief Content Officer. The guy who used his clout and marriage to bury those vying for his spot over a decade ago had no choice but to give that up when he became the lead booker. The best night-and-day example of this is HHH's relationship with CM Punk. They both seriously hated each other's guts back when HHH was an active performer and Punk's popularity was surging, and they have both pretty much admitted this publicly. Today, the CCO is catching shit from all corners -- including a business partner in ESPN. HHH is being accused of creative incompetence, but who can he point to as evidence that the show under his guidance still generates plenty of interest? CM Punk, whose success right now shines favorably on a CCO under fire. It's no coincidence that Punk is involved in the main Vision/Seth/Theory that is the obvious focus of the Creative Department. This is why I question your theory that HHH had it in for Cena. The success of HHH the booker is intimately linked with that of the wrestlers.>>19516228I think that both the stars featured in this interview lack that special talent for shaping the creative direction of their character. Because of this, the success of their runs has come from their ability to credibly portray the straight-laced hero characters that Vince has known how to book for decades (Hogan, Savage, Bret, etc.). You hear countless stories of Vince working closely with his top guys, bouncing ideas off each other, trying to out-do themselves. Austin, Rock, Foley, Goldust, Punk, and others have talked about these discussions publicly. But not Cena or Cody. It seems that they would listen to Vince, maybe make the occasional modest suggestion, but usually just do what they were told. The two guys who relied on Vince's booking the most have been lost without him, while guys like Rock and to a lesser extent Punk can capably direct themselves.
>>19520720Jeet ass response.
>>19522008then pull your head off my ass, abdul
>>19520757Great post
