This shit is like the modern day Montreal screwjob because it's going to take years for enough information to leak out so we know what the fuck actually happened or was supposed to happen originally before the Rock got involved.Like this was a last minute decision? That means they already had a babyface Cena tour planned out?
>>19537856wasn't part of this the fact that cawdy refused to turn even though he's a pretty shitty and uncharismatic babyface who is only really good at playing like a slimy or comedic heel?
>>19537863From what WWE revealed themselves, which could be all kayfabe but it's really the only source of informationTKO wanted Rock to show up at Elimination Chamber because ticket sales were down, and the Rock said he would only show up if he was involved in a big angle otherwise it would be a waste. He didn't specifically want Cody to turn heel, even though that was his first pitch, another idea he had was to have KO win the WWE title and be his guy Then some guy throws out randomly, what if Cena turns heel, and they go with that as the big angle, out of nowhereTravis Scott also got involved because his agent knew a guy in TKO and they put him in. At some point it's very clear though that something fell apart backstage with the Rock and we have no idea what happened, but it derailed the entire heel run
>>19537871True, but the Rock always wanted Cody to turn and become his underling or something, he was trying to set it up since the night after Mania when he told Cody to never break his heart again and gave him something and that was never explained because they switched to Cena. I am guessing it was all a plan so he can stay involved with WWE but never has to lose to Cody. The Cena turn meant either Cody or Cena would eventually get him and whoop his ass so he took his ball and went home to avoid that
>>19537908Whatever happened seems to be very messy, because on Cody's podcast, John confirms that there WERE originally plans through to SummerSlam but they fell apart, hence the abrupt babyface turn. Though any mention of the Rock and Travis Scott is edited out which implies NDAs
it was ari emanuel who brought in travis. who's the other arab that's always bringing his kid to shows? wonder if wrestlers have to walk on egg shells around them
>>19537915>>19537908>>19537871>>19537863>>19537856I think something really bad happend
another thing i have noticed is liv has repeatedly talked about entourage which is about ari emanuel on twitter, i wonder if wwe is just being booked by ari now, would make sense why liv is getting a big push
>>19537863they're saving the cody heel turn for the retirement tour in 10 years because it'll get a lot of views on social media
>>19537923>>19537919>Relatives Rahm Emanuel (brother)Why do the jews control the government and WWE?
>>19537920I don't want to schizopost about some grand conspiracy, but it is pretty weird, because usually WWE only goes this radio quiet about something when it's something severe
>>19537856The Rock showed up completely plastered and started spewing off dumb shit now that his childhood friend is in chargeAri Emanuel or Nick Khan had the brilliant idea to get Travis Scoot and basically shoved him in the main event the very morning it was supposed to happenRock wanted Cody to turn heel because he was plastered (and jealous)Nick said this is a brilliant idea while Cody and Gaytch were figuring out "how to murder your boss and get away with it" until Cena decided to take one for the team, and since Rocky was plastered, he though "Brilliant" and Nick Khan agreedThen Cena stopped giving a shit and decided that since everybody had realized Rock was a drunk retard and left for Hollywood anyway, he could just stop being a heel right before the PPV because who gives a shit anywayHonestly, I think Gaytch sucks, but it looks like everything was made worse when a big suit decided that booking a whole year around this washed up faggot Cena while allowing his best friend to spew ideas drunk on his own branded tequila would increase value for shareholders and Gaytch had to accomodate
>>19537951Normally things like this would have leaked by now right? I'm a recent un-lapsed fan
>>19537963Literally nothing actually leaks from WWE, every dirtsheet gets their news directly from the marketing department and what they want publishedIn case it wasn't clear when no wrestling media had any idea about the giant fucking merger in the works for a year while they pretend to know who's gonna be on a mania card 6 months in advancelol
>>19537967That's a good point
>>19537960Yeah but that's what we already know, it still has a lot of unanswered questionsFirst of all, what was the original plan for Cena's retirement? They had to have been planning it since at least 2024 when they announced it, did they scrap it at the last second for a quick viral moment? Are WWE that stupid?And what was the angle supposed to be with the Rock? Cena refuses to talk about this but he did confirm there was a planThen there's the weird thing about the whole 36 dates thing. Cena offered them a full year, and "they" whoever that is said they only needed him for 36 dates. Why such a random number?
>>19537974>was the original plan for Cena's retirement?Nothing, show up, put over Cody, Logan, and Gunther on the way out, that's itThey didn't scrap anything, they just put a storyline in there where there was none.The plan was probably for the Rock to show up and actually have a damn match or at least appear on a few consecutive RAWs but he's got better things to do, like pretend to be an artist, Dwayne was always ashamed to be a wrestler36 dates are probably how many 5-matches cards they thought they could slot Cena in for a segment or a match qwithout risking the return of "Cena sucks" chants36 weeks of self-indulgent bullshit was already a lot to ask, imo the botched heel turn somehow made it work, caused sympathy because it at least explained why Cena segments were dogshit, as usual, without implicating the man himself but everybody elseHappy little accidents and all thatAnyone booking Cena on the house show circuit and risking injuries on his last year would have been rightfully put in a padded cell, but at least Johnny boy can brag he could have done it all now
>>19537974It all reeks of corporate meddling
Keep in mind, Travis Scott hasn't been seen in public since Wrestlemania in Vegas. Maybe this is why Paul is getting close with trump, maybe seeking protection. I think there might be some French or Egyptian involvement in some way, as a move against the Saudis.
>>19538067There's a theory that Ava (Dwayne's "daughter") might actually be a Mossad agent who was planted to help his (yes h i s) "dad" see all the success he's seen in Hollywood, while not having any organic fan base. In exchange for information of course. Maybe Dwayne or "Ava" overhead Travis say something negative regarding the "net and yahoo".
>>19538062Yeah really, this whole retirement tour was fucked up by people in suits that don't understand or care about wrestling. Cena's retirement tour in theory is very easy to book because he's such a bland character. He chases after the world title for a while, wins the IC title here and drops it there, puts on some heckin' dream matches and some heckin' nostalgia matches, maybe does a comedy team with R-Truth and then it ends with him either having a nostalgia match against another legend or if you want him to still tap out to Gunther that's probably more well received if the rest of the tour was good.Instead, we ended up with this bullshit that pleased no one
Thread is going full retard, but what I am curious about is Cena said the Cody feud was originally supposed to end at Mania... So was he never going to become 17x champ? Or just win it earlier then lose to Cody?
>>19538196Cena putting over Cody and moving onto MitB (his last ever, just like RR, EC and WM) and Gunther, chasing the 17 for most of the year would make the most sense. Cena would have maybe won at Summerslam and maybe keep the title all the way until the end.
>like the modern day Montreal screwjob because it's going to take years for enough information to leak out lol we had the details about Montreal like a week later because Bret spoke directly with Meltzer. It just took years for Shawn to finally admit to it
>>19538228Ah that makes sense. If he did cash-in whomst've might he have cashed in on? Seth and overcame the odds of the Vision solo or with babyface help?
>>19537856It seems obvious Rock was meant to play a bigger role and then skipped out and left people hanging. Scott should never have been involved in the first place. It could have been an NWO tier angle to really get Netflix what they paid for, and it just turned into an already forgotten flop. Probably the biggest fumble wrestling history, only thing I can think of that is comparable is the WCW invasion.
>>19537856John Cena said who cares? It’s all about the moment. We’re not supposed to think too deeply.
>>19538324Yeah well the moments were dogshit
>>19538256No I meant he'd have participated in MitB. Winning it is a different story but him winning would clear it for the year.
>>19537920Me bleeding out of my asshole for six weeks?
>>19538324>just consooooom
>>19537856All you need is explained here.
>>19538326All the moments were great except for WM41
>>19538388No...
I can't look at Cena the same way again after he wanted to ruin wrestling. Then Michael Cole tries to sell us this bullshit about how "pro wrestling destroyed sports entertainment", and it's like, didn't Cena literally want to destroy wrestling? Shouldn't we be cheering Gunther? It makes no fucking sense.
the whole thing feels like an intentional botcheven firing Truth in the middle of it was weirdno one is allowed to leave satisfied, perhaps
>>19539584Why did he even wrestle Ron? It makes no sense.
>>19537856It's explained on unreal already. elimination chambers tickets were down so they asked rock to appear. he was never planned for mania before that. they they decided since he is appearing they might as well use him for something. then the next day he says he is not appearing again.
>>19539595This is the equivalent of Marvel making us watch all of those terrible sideshows.
>>19537856They made a deal with an unpredictable devil worshipper in Travis Scott which mostly likely came down to him being a lazy nigger who only cares about himself.
>>19539595Unreal is a work
>>19537856We’ll probably never know the full details, but I’m guessing it was a last-minute decision.
>>19537863outside of hogan when has turning your top babyface heel ever worked out?it didn't work for austin, it clearly didn't work for cena and it only worked for roman because he was never on TV and had others do the promo work for him.
>>19539571Layers, anon, layers.But it's still fucking stupid knowing wrestling isn't a book club medium or a video essay topic youtubers can grift off
>>19539696Hitman in 97
>>19539696>outside of hogan when has turning your top babyface heel ever worked out?cawdy isn't top anything
>>1953797436 = 666
>>19538088My theory that Ava is trans got more grounds than speculating him/her as an agent
>>19539646I'm aware, but why would they lie about that. The whole episode is supposed to be a self-glaze fest about how genius the heel turn was so it would make sense they would admit all this shit.
>>19537974I think TKO just wanted to make Cena's appearances more limited so people would spend even more money
>>19537928Endeavor practically created all "woke" media and advertising. They imbue pretty much everything with leftist ideals.They even run a Colin Kaepernick summer camp. It's crazy how much stuff they control.
>>19537974>>19537988>>195398321+2+3+4+5...+35+36=666
>>19537927Rhodes men don't retire.
>>19540127Emmanual's dad also created israel
>>19540169I thought God did that and that's why they get to act like literal demons towards all neighbors.
>>19537856>they already had a babyface Cena tour planned out?Judging by the shirts they already had made, yes.
>>19537920I always assumed Rock just dropped out because he doesn't like playing the heel or getting booed, he kept going on Twitter to point out to everyone that WWE is fiction and he's just playing a character.This is probably also why Rock wanted Cody, the current top babyface, to turn heel for a match with him.
>>19539696>it didn't work for austinAustin was doing some of his best work in that heel run, but the fans really didn't want heel Austin.>it clearly didn't work for cenaTo be fair, he wasn't the top babyface anymore, he was a part-timer on a retirement tour. It's really more the execution that was the problem than the idea. Cena wasn't like Austin where fans loved him too much to want to see him as a heel.>and it only worked for roman because he was never on TV and had others do the promo work for him.Roman didn't really go to that much of a part-time schedule until after he dropped the title. The heel turn worked for him for the exact reason Cena turning heel earlier in his career could've worked; the amount of vocal fans who'd simply never accepted him as the top babyface in the first place.
>>19537974They probably realized that Cena would not be able to perform at a consistently high level if he did the full-time schedule. The invisible man, himself, even admitted that it was a blessing because of how fucked up his body is.
>>19537919>>19537928Ari and Rahm’s dad was a shoot terrorist in Israel. Like actually served in a designated terrorist group that lynched British soldiers and bombed movie theaters.
>>19542023Rahm did the sandy hook hoax
Rock and HHH have heat going back 30 years. Rock wants the bald fraud out but edrones love papa so he knows it would be bad for business to force him out. People forgetting that Rock straight up buried Paul by admitting Ari begged him to show up after lacklustre ticket sales.
>>19537871>At some point it's very clear though that something fell apart backstage with the Rock and we have no idea what happened, but it derailed the entire heel runWhat happened is live action Moana's filming schedule conflicted with the Mania build and Mania. Rock can't wrestle and risk getting hurt and fucking over the film so he just vanished from this whole thing. If you want to know what i think happened is they had 2 fucking ideas for the retirement run couldn't decide on either and then decided to do both. They wanted to do the Heel Cena run and the other choice was the feel good face Cena run to his retirement.>Nick Khans fault for forcing The Rock to be included>Rocks fault for demanding it be a big moment and a heel turn for Cody or Cena>HHH and Cenas Fault for being unable to pivot as soon as the Rock wasn't available after the turn>Not having Cena wrestle or pre tape backstage segments to use in the weeks he's not there>No clear idea what heel Cena would work or how to resolve it once they started
>>19537928IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL AND IF JEW CAN TAKE IT
>>19537871>Works like literally any other modern jew controlled workplace where out-of-touch executive scum make the decisions Kek based anon. Really didn't expect the truth to leak out that fast. It all adds up now.
>>19537856People are missing two obvious facts:>Cena teased the turn on Royale Rumble>Rock's involvement was being shitted on since the start.
>>19542168That was Travis, retard.Rock was fine.
It all boils down to the fact the rock is a cannibal who eats kids
>>19539584>>19539593That whole thing was supposed to be a goodbye to the R-Truth character by giving him one more time in the spotlight. Which is why they didn't do anything with him afte he was brought back
>>19541828Sure, but you could have gone with 50 instead, and he would've had just enough time to build a few stories to the last matches he had. 36 is just weird, who made this call and how did they come to that number?
