Explain why top is bad but bottom is okay without sounding like a smark.
>>19639944One got knocked out and pinned, the other betrayed his gimmick of never giving up by tapping in his retirement. His last match forever ends with a loss to a submission hold.
John Cena told me thousands of times over 20+ years to never give up no matter what, and then he gave up.I don't know what the deal is with the lady in the bottom picture
>>19639944Better yet, explain why top is good but bottom is bad without sounding like a chad
>>19639967>gimmickYou sound like a smark
>>19639979No argument?
Making the stupid smile and tapping is what ruined it for people. If Cena would've got pinned and Gunther ends up with a giant chip on his shoulder because he couldn't make Cena give up it would've gave Gunther a lot more to work with. The Tanahashi match was better but Okada didn't need the win, especially since he's in AEW now.
>>19639944retirements are about the guy who retires, not the boss and his ball washercena never had anything to to with gunther in his career and new york was dead when gunther was doing his big thing this week on rawlmeanwhile if wwe just had randy orton beat cena with an rko and all the boys came out to support john it would have been kinobut no, fumble nose made it about his ball washer and then did an hour long fake press conference about how cool he is
because Tanahashi's gimmick wasn't "Never Get Pinned" you stupid fucking e-drone
>>19639944Tanahashi didn't choose to be pinned
>>19639944A million times better match for starters.
>>19639944cenas retirement is unironically the worst finish of all time. they torched their hugest star's brand for their billion dollar company after spending a whole year putting him over as the greatest of all time. i cant believe these people still buy tickets after that. that cena finish is hr speak as a wrestling match. he literally looked at the camera and smiled as if to say "I have processed my emotions regarding this transition. I am practicing radical acceptance. I am tapping out to signal my healthy boundaries." . John cena has become such a robot psychopath who's "present in the moment" that its impossible for him to embody the moment and the character the way tanahashi did. tanahashi is at work at 5:30 am monday btw to make sure the young lions get paid or whatever. Cena's off making another dogshit movie because he doesn't actually give a fuck, and his smile was him letting you know that.
>>19639944>Top: my favourite lost so it sucked>Bottom: my favourite lost but in Japan so it's not that bad
>>19639944Make this thread again without sounding like a assblasted faggot
>>19639944I dont think it is bad but the post match ceremony Tanahashi had was 100% what Cena deserved at least, the people attending Cena last match absolutely wanted him to hear speak afterwards and literally the first thing that happens is triple nose sucking all the oxygen making it about him which is rather funny, and yea you can make the devils argument about "well ackchually it was john's decision not to talk" or "cena let the wrestling talk for him" which is fair enough but making THAT crowd sit thru a shitty video package while banana nose is cackling turning red because of the boos was the wrong call
>>19639944Both are retarded.Cena and Tana should’ve faced each other in their final match.
Top was cringe melodramatic horseshit and the bottom wasn't
because the match was boring and safe af can you pls watch something else that isnt 2026 wwe garbage
Triple H fell for the smark meme that the retirement is meant to push someone else. Yes, the retiring guy should lose, but no, the person retiring the guy isn't actually getting much out of it. Okada said his thanks, paid his respects and left. I'm sure AEW announcers will be going "The guy that retired Tanahashi" but it means nothing. At the end of the day, people pay to go see the man leave, so the match should be all about him.John Cena tapping out did feel kind of lame, but I think it could have been executed properly. It's not an inherently shit idea.Like the other anon said, the reason why Tanahashi's retirement is objectively better is all the amount of time they spent celebrating his career after his match was over. I'm surprised WWE isn't taking advantage of the fact they're on Netflix now to do this sort of stuff more. They could have had an extra half hour of John Cena's farewell. Hell, they used to do shit like this. Remember when Shawn Michaels had his retirement the day after Undertaker beat him? What happened to that sort of stuff? Le ebin heat. And AEW did this shit too with Bryan Danielson. And for the record, I think that in both cases, both Danielson and Cena are partially to blame. They need to be more self marks.TL;DR: Webm related. I LOOK UP TO YOU AAAAAAAA
I've literally always hated Cena and his bullshit, his undeserved push and how he was used to turn wrestling into the neocon shitshow it was for a while, then doing fuck all for a few years, then having the retarded fanbase he didn't push away from wrestling suck him off at every opportunity because true wrestling fans gave up after his 80th bullshit winBut the reaction of Cena marks "he le tapped out when he le told to never give up" is just so baffingly fucking retarded I don't even have words to describe itThe man got an entire year of wrestling booked completely around him, shitting up every main event storyline, weakening at least 3 wrestlers who still have to work here (Cody, Gunther and, by proxy; Drew, who can't get a win over Cody because Cody was weakened too much by losing to Cena) and his fans still WANTED MORE. What the fuck.He took L after L for a few years and suddenly online smarks are like "he should have hulked up and beat Gunther or refuse to tap out and go out in a coma" on his fucking retirement match where there are literally zero stakes for him anymore, just useless pride that he lets go to be able to enjoy retirement without being paralyzed or braindead. The smile is too much but that's still wrestling storytelling for you, I've never respected Cena for anything but I can respect him for that. I wanted Gunther to look stronger but it is what it is, and the audience being so stupid really made it for him at the end of the day so that's nice.The reactions are so fucking dumb, once again, online smarks prove that they are just a bunch of autistic low IQ fanboysI don't give a fuck about the japanese nonsense but I 'm sure all the flip lovers around the world, all 400k of them, clapped like seals all night
>>19640628>heh I'm so much smarter ignoring all Japanese wrestling and watching fed slop, Cena's pathetic cop-out retirement tour was.... le good! Anyways, time to watch 3 hours of commercials and womeme with some Beethoven in the background.
since the drones refuse to leave their bubble. here's a actual amazing wwe retirement. paul is a moron
>>19640649https://youtu.be/5TEE2pxsr3c?si=cCOzsnaJ8ldmxlMK
>>19640646>weebtranny is fucking illiterate episode 556123246412325456452631564.Fuck off
>>19640653holy fucking seethe. just admit cena's retirement was a disaster.
>>19640655The tour was utter dogshit, 0/10, the match was 10/10, the finish was 8/10, this is all spelled out in the post you seemingly cannot read or comprehend
>>19640662nope the match is shit because gunther wrestles like a guy from the 70s and isn't over. he himself tapped out like a bitch to yeet man
>>19640019>the worst finish of all timeIt was bad, but come on it wasn't Ric Flair zombie that I legit thought was dying in the ring towards the end bad
>>19640665Yes yes I don't give a shit about what weebtrannies think>but he did le flipperino et le heckin facerino like he did against shickozana in 2014riveting
>>19640019>that cena finish is hr speak as a wrestling matchWrestling fans are genuinely mentally ill and have the emotional capacity of your average 12 years old
>>19640677i'm talking about gunther holy shit your mad lol
>>19639944I don't think either is bad. But the logic is pretty easy to get.John Cena has never tapped out. His whole motto is about never giving up. He ended his career by betraying his core identity.Whereas Tanahashi just got pinned. Something he has done several times before.
>>19639944Cena smiled because he was forced to tap out. Notice how he was turning purple? Gunther and Cena did exactly what was leaked on here weeks ago, Gunther locked on the shoot choke and Cena was actually being choked out.That's the only was he would give up, actually getting choked out for real. Once he knew it was locked in that's a weight off. He was able to tap and leave in peace.
>>19639944Cena’s main rival.Literally no long rivalry.Only a rivalry that lasted in one match. LmaoTanahashi’s main rival…Literally a long rivalry since 2012.Got it?
Tanahashi didn't put on a three star match, tap out like a bitch and then have the entire building booing and shitting on you.
>>19639992I think Cena's last match should have been against AJ. AJ can drag Cena to a good match, Orton couldn't
>>19639969>Never give up*>*Except you always give up to da GOON-tah.See? He never lied you just haven't read the fine print
>>19640019Fine speech
>>19639944I feel like ranting so TL:DR Cena shouldn't have tapped out ever - Tanashi was fine losing or winning the match it was not about Tanashi never losing a match or his last match. A old wrestler retiring in the ring, in an announced retirement match is to celebrate the wrestlers work before and usually putting over someone with few more years than you or a younger talent is a good way "to give back" to the business you are leaving behind as an active performer. He could have gone out victorious too and it would not have mattered that much as Okada is a established name in the circuit - "he had one win still left in him" Gunther didn't really need to win either but OK, Cena leaves giving a win.Cena losing because he got choked out - "He didn't give up! Boo Gunther, you meanie! Glad I paid money for this though" says the fan in the seats What complicates Cena going out tapping is the "I'm going to ruin wrestling" - phase, which then turned to a beloved impromptu face turn and best title run for him for the Grand Slam title holder status and amazing match with AJ to all end in this let down. Just like the Undertaker streak, Cena never giving up is a sort of a stable of wrestling, a meme, that I don't think should have been broken - I think they are as much part of the legacy of wrestling - makes me worried if Orton is going to retire in the ring, his last match is just countless RKO counters without a single one going through - it's less tangible but the idea is that something is subverted to it's own detriment, like a big old fuck you to the fans because it's a over thought "what if we did this instead" writers room brain fart that's only there to get as much pop in the social instead of in the arena. Or maybe it was Cena's final fuck you to Hunter and TKO, to ruin his own retirement for real so they can't cash in on his likeness as much, who knows! Point is everyone could see that winning or passing out was better for the show and the aftermath
>>19639944Wrestlers get basically nothing from retiring another wrestler. Retirement matches are pure fanservice so you might as well pick an opponent who has a history and connection with the retiring wrestler.Side note: Although not a retirement match per se, this is also why having Brock end the streak was a bad idea which ultimately amounted to nothing
>>19640741Okada isn't even top 3 of Tana's rivals. He was the biggest match they could have made which is okay, and it was a draw, but still, putting over a guy from another company on your way out wasn't the best option.
>>19639944top has no soulbottom has soulsimple as>>19640019thisso much this!>>19640069lol, this too>>19640096amen bro
>>19639998I might have to consider that for my own gimmick
>>19641568Shibata, Nakamura and who else? Okada is definitely 3. His career basically started with Tanahashi and poetically - he ended it. Sure, Tana was already on the way down by the time Okada entered the main event scene, but they definitely had a good amount of memorable moments.
>>19639944Because the bottom pleased fans and the top deflated them.
>>19641568>Okada isn't even top 3 of Tana's rivals.hey faggot smark nobody knows who napo zena the musketeer was. Okada vs Tana was the only dime drawing feud in Tana's dimeless career
>>19641680actually it was against Kenneth but we don't consider that a rivalry
There's no story nor history between Gunther and Cena, that's all.
>>19639944The top one was better because people actually know who Cena and Gunther are.
>>19639944they are both good, but Zoomers will just hate on WWE no matter what, they think even 10/10 ppvs are shit
>>19640628>I don't give a fuck about the japanese nonsense but I 'm sure all the flip lovers around the world, all 400k of them, clapped like seals all night3.5 million views on TV, btw
>>19640678do marks really get confused and angered by a metaphor lol. have you seen a single cena interview in the last year, it's literally how he talks about shit. how else do you interpret him LOOKING AT THE CAMERA SMILING AND GIVING UP? the whole point is that hes accepting his career is over and moving on. it's all about acceptance for JOHN CENA THE GUY, with no regard for the audience, other than that they should also accept that john cena, his career, and wrestling itself is FAKE AND GAY. now contrast it to tanahashi's retirement. I stand by this being the worst finish in the history of wrestling - it makes austin's heel turn look like a refreshing change of pace. if there were any justice, the company wouldn't recover from this for years. but somehow the marks keep buying tickets
