>>19784069
What an odd statement to make anyways

>>19784076
Talking about pro-wrestling as though it's an actual sport ("top ten wrestler!") is the weirdest fucking thing and I say that as someone who prefers sports-based presentation.

Billy Gunn revisionism is hilarious

>>19784069
lel Dave has it out for Mr Ass

>>19784069
daves right
sadly the marks are indeed in the ring

>>19784069
>this guy is one of the best wrestlers in the world
>what makes you say that?
>well he has a lot of high star rating matches which is an arbitrary rating system that i made up
round and round

>>19784235
Billy was a joke among his peer and fans at his peak, no one gives a single fuck outside of consolewarring about what he says as far as what makes a good match and your MDS won't change that

>>19784069
By what metric is he good beyond Dave's own? He just does a lot of stuff, anyone can memorize spots, go out and do them, that's the easy part.

>>19784254
>MDS
That's a new one kek.

I think the point is why would anyone compare Billy Gunn ('97) to Kyle Fletcher ('26)? It's obscure and downright ridiculous.

>>19784069
I can't believe people have to pretend Billy Gunn was good because Meltzer said something correct. He doesn't belong on television at this point.

>>19784069
Dave is so fucked in the head

>>19784274
what are u talking about
I compare Killer Kowalski to Eddie Kingston all the time

>>19784069
In what context though? as an in ring performer sure but as an over talent or act not even close. Fletcher will never be as over as Billy was during the AE. Dave with his autism has never really understood that wrestling is really about drawing money and not about how good you are at fake fighting

>>19784295
Shut up. We're not doing this. Being a hanger on doesn't make you good. His singles push in 1999 failed spectacularly because he sucked so bad.

Nobody ever paid a dime to see Billy Gunn. They watched the WWF because of Steve Austin, The Rock, Mankind, Vince McMahon, Undertaker and Kane. Everyone else was irrelevant hanger ons.

>>19784306
this fact makes triple gaytch seethe

>>19784306
The New Age Outlaws were one of the most over acts ya retarded ass zoomer

>>19784300
is being a hanger on better or worse than being a never was

>>19784274
>It's obscure and downright ridiculous.
It's not obscure, it was literally about something that was said on TV. Paul White said to Callis he wouldn't say Kyle Fletcher is at the level of Billy Gunn. Meltzer gets autistic about it and now people are having a kneejerk response. Billy Gunn was never good.

>>19784306
as opposed to kyle fletcher? can't draw a 300k rating kyle fletcher? can't sell 2000 tickets kyle fletcher?

>>19784316
>I would rather watch an hour Billy Gunn wrestling than an hour of Fletcher wrestling
You don't actually believe this

>>19784069
Very funny that everyone is crashing out over whether Billy Gunn was/wasn't a bad wrestler or was/wasn't over in DX. Then again as a kid I thought the "The One Billy Gunn" gimmick was main event worthy so I wasn't a good judge of talent.

>>19784069
>Kyle Fletcher legitimately might be top 5-7 in the world
Dave's got a new crush. Sorry, Ospreay! No more 7 star matches for you.

>>19784274
Can you really not figure out why they're being compared
1. They're in a match together
2. Billy Gunn said all wrestlers today ade lazy and don't know how to work
He's in the ring with one of the top guys in the world and still had a shitty match

>>19784324
stop obfuscating. if billy is bad because no ever paid a dime to see him than what does that make fletcher?

>>19784331
>stop obfuscating
stop dodging

>>19784313
>>19784329
Sorry. I guess I should admit I've never watched a single episode of AEW in my life. WTF is Billy Gunn doing in a wrestling ring anyway? His peers have all long been retired.

>>19784329
>2. Billy Gunn said all wrestlers today ade lazy and don't know how to work
They're not lazy, but they don't know how to work.

billy's heel turn on beeg drew so much heat that people killed themselves over it smarks have no answer for that

>>19784361
>kids these days don't know how to work
love hearing this critique, especially from internet smark fatsos that never leave their house and have never wrestled a single match in their life
wrestling is far FAR better (even in WWE) than it ever has been before

>>19784069
kyle fletcher fucking sucks. he's why no one wants to watch gayew

>>19784376
according to you wrestling is better than ever because they do the moves you like meanwhile nobody watches anymore and it's never been more culturally irrelevant. really make you think.

>>19784324
both sounds horrible

>>19784376
>wrestling is far FAR better
Compared to the Monday Night Wars that were pulling 6+ milly easy and is considered the Golden Age of wrestling?
NO CHANCE IN HELL

>>19784376
Nah it sucks and you don't get wrestling, you just see lots of movements and think it's good when that's the simplified, easiest part of wrestling.

>>19784407
according to anyone who had eyes and watched 20+ years ago and watches now. nobody watches anything anymore btw, save football.

>>19784407
>nobody watches anymore
>culturally irrelevant
>more lucrative than ever
makes you think

>>19784410
>>19784414
smarks seething
there was no good wrestling in the attitude era, especially in WWF. but you don't know anything about that other than what people on youtube tell you, so i don't blame you for not knowing.

>>19784418
Filtered

>>19784410
>the 2-minute matches where nothing happened were better than the wrestling matches on tv today
No

>>19784422
>>19784425
Sounds like you got filtered

>>19784425
correct

>>19784416
>according to anyone who had eyes and watched 20+ years ago and watches now
I did
Good matches from back then are substantially better than good matches from 2026 because wrestling has regressed stylistically

>>19784313
Neither is Fletcher

>>19784425
>2 minute match where some shit happens to pop the crowd and move the show along
Based
>20 minute match with 15 ad breaks between two nobodies that do a bunch of choreographed flips
Cringe

>>19784435
>regressed stylistically
smarks big mad

>>19784470
Your monitor's off again

Dave was right.

>>19784455
>If the crowd is enjoying it I'm enjoying it!
lmao edrones

>>19784478
dave takes crowd reacting into account for his ratings btw

>>19784489
Only when it suits him (AEW slop) otherwise he says it doesn't matter like rock hogan

Dave's actually right. Billy Gunn was dogshit and still is.
>b-b-but the New Age Outlaws were over
The gimmick was over.
Road Dogg's intro speech was over.
Billy Gunn was never over.

>>19784478
No, if it's concise and effective and moves the TV along effectively instead of being dull, drawn-out time-wasting it's good.
Brevity matters when the matches aren't particularly notable anyway.

I have no idea if meltz is right or not, but there is an easy way to prove it. Just look up PWI 500 lists from whatever Billy's best years were and compare/contrast. Billy is a shitter though so its conceivable that he's never been in the top 200 most talented in the world.

>>19784517
>PWI 500 lists
The same one that awarded Toni Storm Best Wrestler of 2025? No spanks.

>>19784489
Yes, which is why he rates matches highly even if they're not his preference yet you still seethe like a stuck pig

https://prowrestling.fandom.com/wiki/1999_PWI_Top_500_Wrestlers

I know uncle Dave is to an extent talking in hyperbole and what he really means is that even at Billy Gunn's peak he shouldn't be getting tons of offense in on guys like Kyle Fletcher and Jay White, but if you look at the above list of shitters, he probably was legit top 200 in that era.

>>19784509
wrestling is wrestling, not a tv series episode

dave is so bitter that nobody like the ladyboy dancing that he likes. it's sad.

>>19784556
You don't get it.

>>19784571
You're a russo-pilled retard shut the fuck up

>>19784578
You don't get wrestling kek

>>19784556
wrestling matches for themselves don't matter, if you can't watch five of them and immediately understand basically the entirety of what they're gonna do that's a you problem

>>19784200
fletcher is terrible. that's why his show is jobbing to women's 3 v 3 basketball

>>19784277
it's not that billy is good, it's that fletcher fucking suck more than jey uso
>>19784306
no one ever paid a dime to see kyle fletcher

>>19784841
no one has paid a dime, at least in america, to see any specific wrestler since maybe 2003. vince made sure that aspect of the business died after he kept getting big mad his stars were leaving.

Meltzer ruining his legacy to suck the cock of a failing vanity toybox fed that nobody likes or watches is fucking hilarious

>>19784235
> Point out Dave's favouritism via his start ratings
> "It's just my opinion don't take it so seriously"
> Hey Dave, Kenny Omega isn't the greatest wrestler ever
> "UM WHAT OTHER WRESTLER HAS HAD MORE 5 STAR MATCHES?!"

>>19784069
Lies. JR said repeatedly Billy was the best pure athlete

>>19784880
This is true, he is

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>>19784069
>Billy Gunn

>>19784864
his legacy has been ruined for a long time but i really doubt saying kyle fletcher is better than mr. ass billy gunn ever was will hurt him in any way lol
it's like saying mark briscoe is better than bull buchanan or something

>>19785123
Briscoe mogs Buchanan and Gunn mogs Fletcher

>>19784069
No one has ever paid money to see Billy Gunn. It's really as simple as that. He was an also ran that's been overhyped because he was in the attitude era.

Fletcher has at least drawn 3 houses for AEW in the main event

Billy will always be that guy Rock refused to work with because he was so not on a main event level

>>19784329
AND 63 year old Billy Gunn made his son eat the pin btw

>>19785206
This but the opposite

>>19785206
Go look at any Top 200, be it PWI or whatever else. Nobody has ever paid money to see most of the people in the 100-200 range which is where Billy Gunn belonged.

>>19784069
Billy Gunn was over during a time when the top draws in the company were arguably the biggest draws of all time. Fletcher might be over in AEW but they have zero draws (including himself) for him to compete against.

>>19785206
Drawing merch dimes in the AE is better than being put in the main event of a company that never turned a profit (and always losing ratings when you're on tv)

>>19785454
He didn't merch dimes, the word ASS did

>>19784069
how do you determine who is in the top 200 in a fake tough guy sport?

>>19785509
So you don't know?

>>19784069
both sides here are wrong. Dave for overrating the shit out of Fletcher and Bowens for being a soft motherfucker about someone anywhere on the card getting criticized

What an odd and needless debate.

>tldr - everyone knows Billy Gunn, nobody has ever heard of Kevin Fletcher or whoever

>>19784376
modern wrestling is sterilized unwatchable garbage you fucking loser

>>19784069
Damn did Billy Gunn fuck Dave's wife?

billy gunn is the jannetty to fucking road dogg and if it weren't for steroids he'd be a nobody

>>19784478
Aew doesn’t have a crowd watching it so this is abundantly clear.

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>>19784324
Not everyone loves your gay video game modern slop. If you’ve seen one Kyle match you’ve seen them all, it’s the exact same Meltzer shit PWG shit over And over again to make you numales pop like the faggots you are

Kill yourself

>>19785101
that was a well worked spot.

the little guy out quicked him. little heel guy danced to get heat from the crowd. billy looked frustrated. then billy knocked him down with 1 punch and did the dance to get a pop. even the guys in the corners reacted, helping to sell it to the crowd.

>>19787680
What's so non-binary about him?

Billy Gunn sold more merch in a single year than Fletcher has done in his entire life

>>19787767
They are equally retarded though signing with AEW. They should be in Saudi Arabia rn preparing for the Rumble.

>>19785211
Which is still more noteworthy than anything a bland athlete like Kyle Fletcher will ever do. Fletcher is a better athlete. Billy Gunn is a better and more memorable pro wrestler.

>>19787680
>Pinknews

>>19784069
sliding this one? LOL bumpola

>>19791119
Based

hell no they aint bitch

>>19784403
no, you're just a retarded cultist

>>19791119
>>19791932
get a fucking life, fatso

New Age Outlaws took the tag titles off of Legion of Doom at their peak. What has Kevin Fletcher done? Honestly question, I've never heard of him. And I'd wager most wrestling fans haven't either.

>>19792006
literally no one watches kyle fletcher's show. collision literally jobbed to women's 3 on 3 basketball because kyle fletcher sucks and no one wants to see his gay ass flop

>>19793405
>kyle fletcher
Kek. His name is Kevin Fletcher. Don't you watch the product?