What happened to great character work in wrestling?
>>19810133it's alive and well in AEW
>>19810133>wrestlers don't own their names, likenesses, and gimmicks anymore>no one "lives the gimmick" anymore>because everything is geared toward spots, shorts, TV, and YT clips, the workers are moving fast to keep up with diminishing attention spans, cutting out "ga-ga", which Raven in particular was a master ofBasically, fire all the writers. You need a booker to write the grand story and set the pacing, and the wrestlers themselves should come up with gimmicks, promos, etc Also the workers should be in-character when they are in public.
>>19810133Nigga look it up in Japan and Mexico instead of America.Nobody cares about GAYEW and GAYWWE
>>19810176So basically MJF is one of the only wrestlers who attempts to keep kayfabe outside of the ring
>>19810186Yes and it isn't even close.
>>19810186>kayfabeno he's shoot jewish
>>19810133Brock, Logan, Liv, and Chelsea are the only ones left
>>19810186He’s the only one who’s not tongue in cheek about it. Seth, Punk and Dom keep kayfabe but in such a lackadaisical way that it comes off as genuine as telling your kid that Santa is on the way
>>19810133On the wrestling side?>Territories died and WWE monopolized the development pipeline>Any wrestler who does come from elsewhere has to give up the name, character, and gimmick they had built>Even if allowed to keep any or all of those, their wrestling style has to change to the generic interchangeable WWE style>Wrestling got taken over by autistic fans in the ring and in the crowd so instead of legit larger than life tough guys and hot bimbos they ended up with a bunch of video game loving, happy to be here, theater geeks>Attitude boomers started the "too cool to commit to the bit" wink at the camera shit in their sunset years and pulled up the ladder shamelessly exposing the business on Live TV so nobody could ever get as over and they did because actually staying in character was now "corny" to doOn the business side?>WWE went public in 1999 and now had to worry about "maximizing shareholder value" so everything but the bare minimum was gradually stripped away>Internet mobs amplified the ability of pearl clutchers to feign outrage so heels can't get real heat anymore>Corporate micromanagement so wrestlers have to memorize spots and word for word promos from a writers and books who see them as interchangeable "performers" instead of unique individual characters who speak, wrestle, and act differently>Wrestlers can't just drive around the country from show to show in a shitbox staying at seedy motels anymore due to costs, laws, regulations, etc. so they never learn how to get over as characters through that trial and errorThey don't need to provide value when they cater to a small fringe fanbase domestically, get record television deals to spew out infinite content, and get international dollars pumped in for the rest. Why bother with zambonis and beer trucks and backstage shenanigans and elaborate staged segments when they can just send two people out for entrance karaoke and in-ring roast battle for 30 minutes and call it a story?
>>19810133Sports entertainment won.
>>19810176>workers should be in-character when they are in public.gay
>>19810144>Le whacky nutFucking Lynchian
>>19810389>a small fringe fanbase domesticallyLike monthly shows at a bingo hall for 1,200 people? Cause that's what op's pic is. You can look up US attendance numbers for WWE if you want to compare.
>>19810469>Needing to compare a bingo hall promotion to WWE to prove how successful the latter is todayLmaoThat bingo hall was also the pipeline for future stars developing their characters before coming to WWF/WCW. Austin, Foley, Jericho, Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit, Dudleys, Raven, Lita, RVD. So thanks for strengthening my point.
>>19810464unironically, yes
>>19810443Vince had a hate boner for Raven because Scott used to take 17 year old Shane out partying with him on the weekends.
>>19810133Pic unrelated.
>>19810133It all just gets called cringe these days. Anyone who dares to be or try something different that isn't just super cool badass is ridiculed to hell and back
>>19810144What part of this is character? Legitimately. Having a character and being able to do good character work is what saves wrestlers from having to do garbage like this in order to get a reaction
>>19810642God forbid somebody try something new.
>>19810661>"Playing" a racist for cheap heatThis is far from anything close to new though
>>19810650No, you're just a retarded pussy faggot. Sorry you had to find out like this.
>>19810667>racistreddit is down the hall and to the left
>>19810668I accept your concession
>>19810133Fags like raven killed it
>>19810675It wasn't a concession, I was point out some objective facts about you and why you're wrong.
>>19810674The fuck did you just say to me pussyboy?
>>19810681>I was point out some objective facts about youGMS. Objectively point your ass on back to your call center job
>>19810676Raven would kept the business alive and would kept those faggot away by gatekeeping.
>>19810682>>19810692go the fuck back
>>19810705If you know what is and isn't "reddit" so well then clearly you're the one who ought to be going back
>>19810682Body morphing is fucking back in 2k26 bros
>>19810133>My character is that I'm a Nirvana fan Gay
>>19810389>Wrestling got taken over by autistic fans in the ring and in the crowd so instead of legit larger than life tough guys and hot bimbos they ended up with a bunch of video game loving, happy to be here, theater geeks>autistic fans and theater geeksAll of this should result in more character work. Not less
