Why is the level of performance and achievement so poor and so low in 'the big leagues'?Isn't it supposed to be the highest level and the peak?These people are literally being paid millions for being shit.It's a very mediocre product for a very mediocre audience who applauds the terrible performance of their terrible sports entertainers
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>>19878745didn't Vince terrorize people who pulled this kind of shit?
>>19880382No, he pushed plenty of botch machines. It's also why he kept Kevin Dunn around. His hyper-schizo camera work helped mask botches.
>>19878745wwe sucksaew sucksi dont watch new japan but I bet it suckswrestling sucks
>>19878745WWE is better than all the alternatives.
>>19878745WWE is the worst.
huh what u mean
>>19880826You can't say something sucks if you've never checked it out...NJPW is better than WWE or AEW.
>>19878745Holy fucking shit Jey Uso sucks so fucking much fucking FIRE him already
>>19880944Same, CMLL is better than NJPW and WWE and AEW.
>>19880970he's not that bad
>>19880944I said I BET it sucks
>>19880983I'm just giving ya hard time. It's fallen on bad times but, while it isn't as good as it was, there's nothing really rage inducing like with the other two companies (apart from House of Torture shenanigans).
>>19880979Imagine the female division...
>>19881016they're not that bad
>>19878745still better than aew
>>19881016>>19881043Yeesh, the only women's wrestling I watch is joshi and I forget how awful American women's wrestling isJust dreadful
>>19881043>>19881016>>19880979>>19880919>>19878745holy shit, I quit the sport as a performer and fan in 2016 and I come back to see what's up and see this.that's it, I'm returning
>>19878745gay uso is a nepobaby
>>19880944>>19880974>njpw>cmllno thanks, faggot. I don't like gay ass flippy shit
>>19881432haha yeah i see clips like these and they get me thinking that i could do this shit easy
>>19878745Looks like AI. Usos are so bad either way.
>>19881450the really fake looking and botchy performances aside, I spent the last 10 years training in multiple martial arts to have some balance in my life and I came up in an era in pro wrestling where backstage life and etiquette was still mostly shaped by the old school guys.aside from gay politics, it seems the business has never been easier to be in and around
>>19881449This is why you shouldnt form an opinion without checking something out, homie. CMLL is pretty flippy so you likely won't enjoy that, but most NJPW matches are not. you see a good bit of flippiness from the jr heavyweights but the heavyweights are not out there doing a bunch of flips. NJPW has a more realistic feel than WWE or AEW so you might like it.
>>19881449Flippy shit is more of a Mexican thing, NJPW's flippy stuff is mostly just in the junior heavyweight divisionThey even made Ospreay tone it down when he became a heavyweight
>>19880979LEL phil is bad too
>>19881432it's not that bad
>>19881464Holy crap you wrote the same thing I did like ten seconds before me
>>19881469that just goes to show that we're both telling the truth lol
>>19881469>>19881508get a room
>>19881533You're not my ding-dong-diddly boss.
>>19881464>>19881465weren't ricochet and assplay in nujapan? both of them are worse than fucking gay uso and are literally unwatchable so I can't imagine nujapan is any good when they have gay flippy shitters like ricochet
>>19881546>both of them are worse than fucking gay uso
>>19881546New Japan has two weight classes: heavyweight and junior heavyweight. They were junior heavyweights.Junior heavyweights sometimes do flippy shit. But they don't put up with that shit when it comes to the heavyweights (and they don't let junior heavyweights go for the big title).When Ospreay moved up to heavyweight they made him cut back on that shit big time and present himself like an actual wrestler. I won't say he was great but he was better than he was as a junior heavyweight or than he's been in AEW.I mostly ignore the junior heavyweight stuff, as do a lot of fans. Stuff like the G1 Tournament is purely heavyweights.
>>19881562are you really defending ricochet? >>19881565didn't they have that faggot evil? I'm not watchin that gay shit
>>19881577Say what you will about Evil, he didn't do any flippy shit at all.
>>19880826Imma level with ya, the only pro-wrestling worth watching anymore is STARDOM and that's a shoot.https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9lt22wHopefully it'll change someday soon when men learn to be dimes again but right now STARDOM is where it's at.
>>19881591>StardomGet fucked pedophile
>>19881579that guy looks like a fat child molester
>>19878745Two biggest reasons>wrestlers now work once or twice a month, some more often but without the grind and practice of house shows their ability to work in front of a crowd diminishes severely>No Vince to scream in their faces every time they fuck up, instead triple h hugs them and says how great they are
>>19881613Holy triggered.Go take a Xanax or something. If you watched the match I linked to you'd see I'm actually trying to show you something good.
>>19881449>>19881546>>19881577>>19881633Whole lot of cope for saying “I’m a out of touch AmeriMutt Imperialistic gen x retard”
>>19881533I did. your mother wanted me to let you know she'll be home in two hours (maybe three). wash the fucking dishes before she gets home or that's yo ass.
>>19881546loads of different wrestlers have gone to Japan at one time or another, both the good and the bad. I absolutely hate ricochet and ospreay but I enjoy most NJPW shows. by the way, did you know that NJPW's first world champion was none other than Hulk Hogan?
>>19881633well then you might want to stop watching WWE because that's where EVIL is going.
>>19878745I'm pretty convinced that Vince would have stuck Jey with a dancing gay cowboy retard gimmick at this point. He has reached absolute comedy lolcow jobber levels of shitter at this point.
>>19881797Kek>that Hogan interview where he talks about vince's dad firing him and he thought it was fine because he just got paid for Rocky 3 (stallon jew'd him to hell and back) and he was implying he fucked a bunch of joshis any time he was in japan
>>19881806anon, have you ever wondered why Poi is so white, blond, and racist? it's because she is the secret love child of the hulkster. this is a big secret so don't tell anyone.
>>19881889Indeed.
>>19881889>>19881890top keke, wouldn't he be mad she married a monkey rapist?
>>19881894Nah, Shingo's based like she is.Also Shingo wasn't responsible for the monkey incident, he just ended it because the monkey attacked some people. He was never found at fault for any of it.PoiCHADS love Shingo.
>>19881909I second every word of this, we love emperor shingo around here.
>>19881909Isn't there literally a photo of him sexually abusing the monkey?
>>19881920Abusing? yes. Sexually? no.
>>19881920No, there's a picture of him holding the monkey by the neck, which was necessary to restrain it.He wasn't abusing it, it had supposedly attacked some people and was dangerous.
>>19878745Because in the past, WWE was running house shows nearly every single day. When shitters had 4-5 days a week to botch at house shows instead of on camera, some of them actually improved. These days, WWE/AEW/TNA wrestlers have to work MAYBE 2 days a week. Less so in AEW where guys get 6 month vacations when Tony forgets they exist.
>>19881932>which was necessary to restrain itYeah, bro, because that's what you see animal handlers do.
>>19881950https://officialfan.proboards.com/thread/261968/huge-dragon-monkey-abuse-scandal
>>19881950if the animal gets out of hand and starts attacking people, what else are you going to do? I have trained dogs, cats, rabbits, pigs, lizards, snakes, spiders, and even an alligator. and I would have choked that stupid monkey too. then I would have choked that faggot Tozawa because he's the one who actually did abuse the monkey.
I mean with a YouTuber and a drunken idiot what did you expect
>>19878745Is Jimmy as bad as Jey?
>>19882460The Usos have always been terrible. They hid behind a boring, one-note Samoan tag team for years. Now both are exposed.
>>19881059My goddo this is really smooth
>>19881449>>19881546are you retarded on purpose?
>>19883230People assume that since wrestlers move from Stardom to WWE that the former must be like womeme's wrestler in the latter but worse.But it's not, they wrestle a better style over there and get far more reps in in terms of constantly working shows, they suck when they come to WWE because they have to change the style they built their careers on.Contrast anything you've seen Iyo and Kairi do in the WWE with this:https://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4U4FoZ0XXUQYcf1nzV
>>19883301Meant to post this picrel but I guess that works
Fucking disgusting
>>19883279flippy shit faggot detectorfuck off ricochet>>19882460idk, I don't watch either of them
>>19883301>>19883322IYO and Kairi will occasionally do stardom stuff. like not a full match worth of stuff but when one of them fights someone like Liv, Rhea or the Hog they start stiffing each other. like Liv and the Nepohog both let IYO do that frankenstiner top rope thing to them that she did to that one lesbian in marigold in 2024. The issue is a lot of the girls refuse to do certain things in the WWE. like zelina refuses to take any stiff hits
>>19878745God this guy fucking sucks assHE has no redeemable qualities at all
>>19881002don't they still have ZSJ? That raging homo wrestles the gayest style of all time
>>19884700>fiddles with a guy's arm a bit>moves on to fiddling with the guy's finger>grabs his opponent's assYeah, no argument there.I'd put NJPW over WWE and AEW. But I don't watch much of it these days, I mostly just watch Stardom but that's not a recommendation that's well received around here so I was just trying to think of decent men's wrestling.NOAH's got shit booking but can be hard hitting. I like AJPW as well (it's about as old-school in terms as style as you can get) but people would probably bounce off the fact that there's zero English. NOAH at least has English for bigger shows.
Matches today are too overproduced. Unreal exposed it. You have someone in the ref's ear telling the wrestlers what spots to do and the ref doesn't even try and act like a ref and more like a dance instructor.It honestly takes away any enjoyment I have of this, I can only ever enjoy watching old matches due to this. And Cena's last match with Gunther was actually terrible from this standpoint. That brother didn't even try to hide how hard he was calling spots. All new wrestlers take inspiration from him as if he wasn't getting booed for over a decade for being lame in the ring
>>19878745it's very simple: success in modern america has absolutely nothing to do with ability, integrity, skills, or any other virtue. it's all just "who you know". WWE and AEW have the connections to suppress competitors, even when those competitors are putting out a better product. whenever a good alternative comes along, they use those connections to make sure that relatively few people will ever see it. over time, this encourages both of these companies to put out a shitty low-effort product.
>>19885240Yup - who you know and, perhaps just as important, marketing.
>>19885256they're related because marketing is somewhat dependent upon having access to the big platforms. if some smaller company comes up with a good marketing campaign, they can just keep it off the larger platforms and then most people will never see it. it's really disheartening because most people are just sheep who won't stand up for anything.
