no they booked effy

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>>19905184
nope still AEW I'm afraid

>>19905184
Yes but mostly because WWE sucks and aew doesn't even count

>>19905184
I don't believe so but I watch it. I'd have to travel to see it because JCW has a lifetime ban from Chicago for using a real knife during their sole 2000 show here.

>>19905184
Easily.No Competition

>>19905184
It's got some good shit. Kerry Morton, Big Vito, the fans throwing shit at wrestlers. The washed up WWE guys fucking suck though. Good grief. Still a fun watch most of the time. The promos are better than the matches 99% of the time.

>Vito
>Morton
>Clowns
>Zombies
>Haley sexo
>Ring Rat
>Ninjas
>Wolfs
>Steven Flowe
>Pizza guy
>Disco guy
>Frankestein
Yeah I am thinking best promotion of the year

>>19906128
Promos are always better than matches
Promos are also more important than matches

>>19906163
Steven Floooooo oooowe
Steven Flooooooooowe
Steven Flow oooooowe

>>19905184
the commentary makes it unwatchable

He posted it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r3g4jQZAVc

>>19905184
Chronic lack of MONDO!

>>19905184
I think it's the best one right now for sure. it's got good characters, good storytelling, and at least a little bit of willingness to cross lines and be edgy at times. the wrestling itself is also often very good. it's the closest thing you're going to find to an oldschool WWF show in the modern scene.

>>19906669
>>19906676
This. The big letdowns so far are that the matches suck and are way too long, and that they're shooting this shit in highschool gyms. Wrestlers are out of shape and matches are fucking endless. Get to movin boys.

>>19906685
Ok so in regards to your comment, I gotta debunk some of it. First of all, they don't really tape shows in high school gyms. That's a massive lie as none of the venues they go to even look like high school gyms. The venues they go to are usually small concert venues but they have ran bigger venues before. Also, if you're complaining about matches being too long, let's compare an average 1990s Raw match lengths to the most recent Lunacy episode. Raw's average match lengths in the 90s were around 3 to 4 minutes with main events being double that depending on the match. Now let's look at Lunacy's match lengths. Usually around 3 to 4 minutes on a regular taping and sometimes longer for special events. Not sure what the issue is but those points are just bullshit. Also, I'm sure most people would prefer out of shape wrestlers compared to the corporate black hole that is WWE. Not everyone on the indies is going to be a generic template so no need to criticize that.

>>19906378
Then go check out WWE or AEW.

>>19905191
That was last year and he was hated by the fans.

>>19906040
JCW has made Joliet a frequent stop on their tours. They may come back.

>>19905184
Yes. The production quality is complete dogshit though. TNA was comfy for a while but the WWE deal ultimately turned them into TKO slop lite.

Outbreak and Funstruction are exactly what WWE has been missing (characters who act and wrestle like their characters), hot women who work across instead of pissing and moaning about being serious wrasslers with their dreams coming true, and Big Vito being the best authority figure in years. Russo needs to get off the show and just write though. He's not terrible but he takes time away from others and often rambles for too long.

>>19905184
They put pco over, no, no they are not. ego marks should not be supported.

>>19907527
>TNA was comfy for a while but the WWE deal ultimately turned them into TKO slop lite.
legitimately all it would take is Dreamer and Delirious dying/getting a fucking clue and TNA would be in a way better position even with the fuckups like letting speedball and alexander walk.
It is actually infuriating how much wasted time they have had on air since the wwe shit started. It may have supposedly helped them behind the scenes but it sure tanked the on air product.

>>19907527
>Russo needs to get off the show and just write though.
The story hasn't been concluded yet
>He's not terrible but he takes time away from others and often rambles for too long.
Agreed, but he is still a Major draw until others get a clue.

>>19907532
TNA deserved the backlash they got to be honest here.

>>19905184
russo board.

then
now
forever

>>19907592
KWAB What backlash? PCO went ego mark and thought he earned something he didn't because a fat tranny fucker told him he'd maybe get it one day.
You never go ego mark.
Killer Kross, Scarlett, PCO, Jordynne Grace, Ethan Page for awhile, all prime examples of people who should never get booked the rest of their careers because they thought they were hot shit instead of realizing they were MADE INTO TALENT.
PCO was a literal who with half a spine when TNA started putting him over. Maclin and Callihan busted their asses to make him look like a star for months.
The idea that you think 1) TNA even got any backlash beyond retards who didn't know the situation like (((you))) or that 2) PCO isn't a clown shows just how dire wrestling "fans" are these days.

>>19907541
I remember Delirious as an ROH curtain jerker comedy act which was fine. When he took over as booker the shows immediately fell off a cliff. I have no idea how 15 years of complete failure and making everywhere he goes worse is what TNA thought they were missing.

>>19907635
It is Dreamer. Just like Dreamer bringing back Mickie James after the KO match at their last paid live event. The guy books his friends and buddies, and thinks like someone booking EWR on reddit with friends.
Delirious wouldn't have a job if Dreamer wasn't holding the book. No doubt about it. Those two are fucking retards.
That is shit TNA should actually get backlash over. Dreamer holding the book. Holy fuck.

Like you said, Delirious working as enhancement? Sure. Road agent even? Of course. Same with Dreamer, put him backstage in comedy segments? Fine! Booking the show? FUCK NO.
Anyhow, woop woop juggalo thread isn't the tna thread kek

>>19907635
He is easily the worst booker of the last decade. Hunter Johnston does not get enough hate.

>>19907645
Dreamer is worse simply because he forces shit like mara sade, jada stone, jodi threat, cedric alexander, bear bronson, SANTANA and so on down peoples throats as if they are the fucking main event regardless of what you think. Instead of reacting to the crowds it is THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO BE OVER and it just doesn't work. The fucking Righteous getting booed every single time they show up if it isn't total crickets for months now hasn't clued Dreamer in at all that hey maybe I should rework this a bit. Delirious is just along for the ride this is Dreamer's nightmare show his hot dog juice covered fingers are all over it.

To get to JCW instead of me just ranting about TNA booking:
Has KlockwerkE ever shown up on JCW?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F-_LIzYWpc

>>19907675
Most of the Psychopathic roster usually doesn't cross over into JCW. Closest we got was probably Twiztid, Ouija Macc, and ICP themselves to be honest here. However, Klockwork E got in a scandal after they dissed Daffodil Nicki aka. Jessica Blue (Jumpsteady's girlfriend) after some racist texts from her were leaked.

>>19907704
That is one thing that sucks about the juggalos they have become so fucking SOFT the last 10 years especially. Used to not have to worry about that kind of shit in those circles now they are fucking redditors about everything.

>>19907722
Well you can see how 3 decades of being harassed by police and being labeled as a gang with little to no evidence has probably traumatized them.

>>19907753
That should make them less accepting of pc bullshit, not more.

>>19907755
Honestly, the main problem is probably going to be that since they're outcasts (due to both sides who are against them having some very fucked up standards. Literally, they were an easy target for the normies who constantly villainized them and ironically there are some that still do that on the right and the left.), a bunch of them are more prone to doing that shit.

However, to continue on from the post above, I do have to explain something in regards to the gang label. A lot of the time, police would often think of the hatchetman tattoo as a gang symbol after isolated reports of various gang using the name and associated imagery of the juggalo movement started popping up. A bunch of these isolated gangs reportedly even had associations with the Bloods, Crips, People Nation, Norteños, All because of isolated groups, normal juggalos were basically blacklisted from businesses because of their music tastes. Same exact problem that we see with the fearmongering from the government is that they target the wrong people at times. Hell, why you think the Gathering of the Juggalos moved a bunch of times? In 2003, they were having trouble finding a venue for the Gathering because of the all the fearmongering the media was spreading regarding the 2002 Gathering in Peoria, Illinois. Managed to find one over Northeastern Ohio. In 2006, they were going to originally run the festival at Michigan International Speedway in Brooklyn, Michigan but the permits were denied due to you guessed it, fearmongering from Karens, and the event was moved to Frontier Ranch in Pataskala, Ohio. A lot of the Gathering venues back before 2007 were short term considering the fearmongering that the media were transmitting in regards to the Gathering. Started in 2002 with Peoria's news stations and there's even archives of news reports of the 2006 Gathering when the juggalos had arrived at the Crystal Forest. In 2017, ICP was initially going to host the Gathering at a campground near the Osage River in Kaiser, Missouri. Again, the local Karens attacked. They even started a petition against the festival.

>>19908022
Was going to be a fag and say tldr but this long fucking post was actually helpful. I don’t know shit about icp or the people that listen to them but I unironically have been enjoying jcw and have soften up to these guys. Probably the funniest youshoot ever these guys are actually pretty cool and seem well respected by the hip hop niggers too

Thanks for the info dump

>>19908138
Problem is, it still goes against the reality of what happened. They are soft as babyshit now. Not a spine amongst them. They would shame the juggalos that threw stuff at Tila Tequlia years ago and demand those "outliers" be removed for wrongthink.

>>19908156
Well at least they know when to spot a lolcow. For example, Josh Block who ended up getting the karma for pissing off the Dark Carnival by spitting on a juggalo and being a mentally ill freak in general. Seriously, he goes apeshit when someone tells him to put the fries in the bag.

>>19908156
>>19908178
Not sure what you guys are on about but who exactly runs jcw? The fat one right? Why doesn’t the skinny clown appear in these shows he was only on two episodes in the beginning of Russo run. Juggalos are funny people saw a lot were mocking the fat one for posting tiktoks with some chick

Just like someone said earlier in the thread, I honestly believe it’s the Indy stink that has stagnated the views they’re high don’t get me wrong but should’ve been hitting 80k views by now if not for the low budget appearance

>>19907632
TNA is trash and PCO was wrestling long before they even existed. your problem is not PCO, your problem is that you're watching the corpse of something that used to be worthy but which is now less than nothing. Maclin and Callahan and the entire TNA roster are literal whos.

>>19908210
Russo and Vito were basically heels and had "driven out" Violent J. However, J's working behind the scenes and he's been teasing a return for a while.

>>19908230
>your problem is not PCO
No my problem is specifically PCO in this case.
He was one of my favorites on TNA and he had a retard moment and sperged out showing he is an egotard. Egotards are to be forever mocked. His career ended the day he thought he "deserved" a world title run.

>>19908255
qrd please? I don't know anything about this.

>>19905184
Easily. And this is just the beginning.

>>19908295
D'amore "promised" him a "long" world title run. It never happened and he sperged out and broke the tna title he was given after more than a year of being pushed like a star by the company. He retarded out on twitter and elsewhere, and then went on to do nothing of merit ever again. JCW is sadly now stuck with him and his ego. Thing is now he can't even move at all.

>>19906666
Checked.
Why didn't the other Southern Five come out the last time Kerry got his ass kicked on Lunacy?

>>19908414
ok, I'll recant on this one. I still don't like TNA but that is pretty shitty and anyone that d'amore pushed is automatically on my hate list. d'amore and his pet troon are some of the worst cancers in wrestling today.

>>19908893
PCO was made to look like a star and acted like an ass despite being given a title and being allowed to have his title from another promotion (int title with legacy) at the same time on air. It is fine to not like TNA but PCO still retarded out. What made it sting for me is I really really liked the PCO/Maclin/Callihan stuff and thought PCO had potential in the upper midcard. Then he pulled that shit.
I don't have time for ego marks. you have to have a little ego to be a wrestler but if you buy into your own hype it is over.
See for example: bret 4/10 hart being mad in a basement despite being a "legend" in the industry.

>>19909016
fair point, self-marking is never a good thing. PCO best not try that shit with the juggalos because we'll put his old ass in the wagon and sell him to the dead body man.

PCO is probs in hot water for fucking up the finish last week on Lunacy.

>>19909967
As much as I like Russo, I don't understand why he's booking these washed old dudes in main events. I really don't think PCO or Anderson are big enough names to draw money past their prime.

>>19910025
Anderson was the quick replacement because Zack Ryder took the mark contract and left with the belt.

>>19907450
Oh shit, do they run the Forge?

>>19910345
yeah it's a shame that he sold out like that. WWE isn't going to do anything but job him out to NXT shitters.

pretty much yeah, it's close between them and NJPW i would say

>>19905184
They are the one indy who seems to be trying to do something different than everyone else. Very werid character driven
>>19907527
Last time I really enjoyed TNA was when Billy Pumpkin was booking, like JCW is now it was very character driven at the time.

>>19911085
Yep. I would keep check on upcoming dates as they're usually announced on their social media. The Forge is usually on that list for the shows they do in Illinois along with the Apollo in Belvidere.

>he's talking to himself again

>>19911957
JCW in your walls status?