Did anyone ever figure out why this happened? I've been getting back into wrestling and I'm trying to make sense of things looking backwards. Here's my take.My assumption is this was Paul Heyman reasserting himself in the influence sphere of the locker room. He never forgave Vince for destroying the ECW brand image, and he's been trying to take over WWE since. Vince knows this, and it's why he positioned Stephanie against him, to train her (and HHH) against him. Randy is an eternal HHH guy, Evolution was Hunter's way of having a close guy in Hollywood, and in the locker room, as he continually shifted away from the ring to the writer's room. So if Randy is exerting influence on the locker room, Heyman needed a guy to push back in terms of physicality. (Arguably, CM Punk is Heyman's no steroids guy & Brock is Heyman's uses Steroids guy.) This was the moment Paul chose to strike. Make his guy physically assert himself on Randy, in front of everyone. I don't think anyone knew this was how it was going to go down. Imagine the conversation between Heyman and Hunter afterwards. But Heyman is allowed to influence the show, he has Brock's ear as well as several others.
>>19960942It's just Brock flexing his political power. Guy is a piece of shit, just like the rest of them, back in the day he used to chug down painkillers with vodka, in huge amounts on top of steroids that would kill a horse, there is no way this guy isn't mentally ill.
>>19960942I don't think Heyman could ever truly support Vince & Vince's show. For one, Vince destroyed ECW, and he'd probably like to do the same to WWE. For two, Heyman loves his mother, a holocaust survivor. Vince loved to own and destroy lives, dominating and humiliating people, just because he could. Heyman had to have wondered if the people who abused his mother behaved a lot like Vince. You can't just let someone like that take you over, you have to fight back at his own game. Why did Vince destroy the ECW brand? Because he knew that if our memory of it was anything other than him in a durag, then WWE's brand image suffers by comparison to ECW. Vince had to show how superior he is. I think Heyman could play along for a while, seem like a part of the team, show just how good he is at what he does (make Smackdown have better ratings than Raw), but ultimately he is going to change the show like Vince did to ECW, if they let him. And the last decade of wrestling has been the shadow war between Hunter & Stephanie, and Paul Heyman. How much will they let him?
>>19960964A Stephanie guy was John Cena. Stephanie gave Cena his gimmick and believed in him when no one else did. But who is Cena's "wrestling soulmate"? CM Punk. Cena does so much for kids, but he's infertile from steroid use, he'll never be a father himself. Who else would be his wrestling soulmate but Punk? If Cena had listened and been more like Punk, he at least would be a father. There's no way that doesn't bite. But Cena follows orders, he does what he needs to do, and that includes things like "let this guy retire you". If the old Stephanie guy is retiring from screen, others have to fill in for the orders he used to fulfill.
>>19960972It's not like Triple H doesn't realize what Paul is up to, he definitely does, and he is going to push back against Paul in the same yard. Part of me thinks Gunther is a representation of the repression Hunter has towards Heyman. Gunther was written to retire John Cena & AJ Styles, effectively putting all their power into a... German guy. Who else did Gunther retire, though? The most famous Jewish wrestler, Goldberg. There's no way this isn't a slight at Heyman. This guy is being pushed to the moon, and Heyman will have to retort.
>>19960977But Heyman's response is now showing itself: Roman Reigns. Roman was Heyman's way of getting on The Rock's good side. Roman wasn't getting over, and Rock's endorsement wasn't worth enough to the fans, to the point that it would look bad for him to be seen with Roman, to be considered Roman's cousin, etc. Roman is supposed to be what allows the Samoans to continue to be relevant, in Rock's stead. But The Rock couldn't help Roman get over, only Paul could. So now, the conflict between Heyman and Hunter, via a "Heyman guy" & Gunther, can be with Roman filling in as a Heyman guy. The Rock also has conflict with Hunter, despite needing to be involved. While Wrestlemania 41's Triple Threat led to Heyman looking like he's abandoned Roman, and in front of the camera that has to appear true, behind the scenes Roman *knows* he owes Heyman. And so conflict between Gunther and Roman is already being foreshadowed in the Royal Rumble. As Gunther gets closer to the Heyman guys, the subtext of him being an old-school German dude, an Austrian artist, is going to have to be *acknowledged.*
>>19960958Even if Brock was flexing his political power, you still have to ask "why now?" and "why Randy?". The answer is Randy was becoming the new judge for wrestler's court - that is a massive amount of prestige. Triple H saw that Vince had an Undertaker, and HHH wanted Randy to be his own Undertaker. But this means that someone who can humble Randy and keep him quiet is in play. Heyman saw an opportunity to play the long game and fuck up Vince's legacy. Vince wants Heyman to be the thing that keeps his family strong, but Heyman is trying to beat them at their own game.
>>19960942Wrestling is full of insecure men who failed at real sports and just want to prove how tough they are.
>>19960972cm punk will never be a father, AJ is a quirk chungus who will never have kids and use dogs as surrogate children.
You’re all reading too much into thisBrick randomly chimped out because of a steroid comment Randy made (like he isn’t on gear) and that’s all.
its the very, very rare occurrence of a shooted work.we all know what worked shoots are (real events that are made into a kayfabe storyline). things like edge and matt hardy’s beef becoming on air drama, or cm punks pipe bomb.but this was a situation where something fake was made real. the inverse, basically. it’s pretty simple really, brock was working a work with randy, but then he started to shoot, but randy (working a work) took the shoot, and accepted it as real, so brock was working a shooted work - while, of course, randy was shoot being beaten nearly to death (all part of the shooted work). this means the only man not involved in the work was the ref, assuming he was shooting with calling for the doctor, he wouldve been working a work to create the shoot - but if you assume he DID know, then he was simply shooting a shoot while working a shoot work.
>>19961308damn…is wrestling really that deep?
I think Randy agreed to let Brock cut his head open with an elbow strike..and that's what happened. I'm pretty sure he did the same thing to Cena in their first match together when Brock returned.
Vince wanted to protect Orton but make Brock look dangerous and win the match but not pin Orton and Brock had to do something after the “no enhancements needed line”
>>19960942>Randy is an eternal HHH guythat's why he kept burying him
>>19960958Mark ass bitch
A Vinny Mac special. Make Brock look scary and legit, then when he wrestles Oldberg a couple months later people will be shocked when Oldberg squashes him. Randy was sacrificed to make Oldberg look incredibly strong. My headcannon is Brock doesn't like doing the elbows to pro wrestlers and was getting increasingly frustrated with Vince asking him to do it. Culminating in Brock throwing the title belt at Vince after the Roman WM match where he did it again. I think it's a dangerous action and Brock realizes that most of the time the other guy is going to get legit hurt from it. He did it perfectly to Cena when he returned but that was just after he left UFC, so I think he was still pretty good at gauging elbows. But after a few years he got rusty and bitched both the Randy and Roman elbows. He doesn't like doing them anymore.
>>19961909*botched both Randy and Roman elbows.
>>19961387yeah I don't see why a shit ton of actual securities wouldn't have rushed if it was a shoot
>>19960958Brock doesn't care. He never cared about wrestling because it was too easy for him. Take it whichever way you want. Imagine this: you tried for a sport you thought you could dominate(NFL) and you could only make the practice team, then you tried for a sport that gave you confidence(UFC) but then a fat Mexican and a fat Hawaiian kick your ass with no steroids. So you go back like a dog with his tail between his legs.
>>19961954Overroids is Hawaiian? Who the fuck are you talking about? And Velázquez wasn't fat, he had one of the hardest punches ever recorded in the UFC dipshit. He was also a top level college wrestler and nullified Brock's wrestling dependency. Brock has a bad stand up game and got dominated by someone with an extremely good stand-up game. Roy Jones Sr offered to train Brock but he declined. And the NFL shit was mainly because of Brock's bad attitude not his athletic ability.
Blade jobs were banned, so Vince had Brock do it hardway to get around that, and just claim it was a shoot accident
>>19961308So Randy worked himself into a shoot?
Ignore everyone else this is the real answer They wanted blood, but Vince is autistic about blades. Brock said he could hardway Randy pretty easily, they did something similar with Cena in 2012. Didn't go well, and Orton got shoot concussed.
>>19962343Basically yeah. He also didn't do the Roman one good either with that huge contusion Roman had bulging out his head the next night on RAW.
>>19962345Vince was such a nutjob. Blades are so much easier and safer than getting shoot HEEM'ed in a completely prone position.
>>19962343It wasn’t Vince being autistic, it’s in the Mattel contract it says no blood but they are ok with accidental blood.
>>19962359>losing out on wrestlekino for dollies grim
