>complete silence for her Wrestlemania choice>had to drag Dom into the story just to try to get some heat on her>even her simps hate the feud>terrible match guaranteedShe's proven she's nothing but a midcard tag team act. If I was booking I'd find a way to move the tag titles off Rhiyo somehow and stick both of them in a triple threat vs Vaquer. Liv and Raquel can face the Bellas. This has been an absolute disaster and things need to pivot
Still mad about Japan loving Liv?
>>19966857>complete silence for her Wrestlemania choicebecause Vaquer is ruining the build up by lying and not putting in the minimum effort of learning English while working for an AMERICAN company>had to drag Dom into the story just to try to get some heat on herDom and Liv are an item in kayfabe. The reason they have to drag him into this is because Vaquer is too lazy to learn English>even her simps hate the feudPeople aren't as invested because Vaquer ruins the build by blatantly lying and refusing to learn English, so people don't even know what she is saying when she talks in Spanish for 3 minutes>terrible match guaranteedthat's on Vaquer lmfao, all of her title reign matches have been terrible and nothing to write home about
>>19966857i believe that vaq can drag her to a decent match
I think their WM match has the potential to be really good. Liv isn't afraid to work stiff and get bloody as we saw with Iyo and she already kicked Stephanie in the stomach for noselling that code breaker on Raw. I think this could be a good stiff grudge match in the end.
>>19966875>vaquer vaquer vaquervaquer had no problem having good matches with giulia and iyo so it must be a liv problem
>>19966890last year in the MITB qualifiers they ran stephanie/liv/ivy nile and it was a surprisingly good matchstephanie's reputation has tanked because she has, for the most part, been working with garbage wrestlers since she got the belt and is apparently not good enough to carry themin her defense you can really only get so much mileage out of nikki bella and raquel rodriguez matchesduring her reign she had good matches with iyo (if you count winning the belt as part of the reign) and tiffany, wrestlers that can actually pull their own weightliv is in the middle of these two groups - it's on her to lock the fuck in, if she can do that the match will be good
>>19966890has liv proved that she can draw as a character or at least have decent workrate?
>>19966857this all comes down to wwe trying to protect vaq. i have a feeling that liv isn't going to win at wm due to raquel or maybe wwe just dropped that storyline idk the whole judgement day story has been written awfully
>>19966948they're scared to death of Liv burying her. they made up this idiotic "don't deserve it" storyline, and they never let Liv actually interact with her, everything goes through Dom. it's obvious they know Vaquer isn't over, but their solution to it has been to cool down Liv so she doesn't completely eclipse her. just terrible planning and writing. they should have let Raquel win the belt and have that feud for mania. Vaquer is not a draw and doesn't deserve this big of a spot
>>19966938I mean I simply responded to your disingenuous points, and you obviously have no counter argument. And instead of addressing her title reign you point to Iyo and Giulia, who both carried her. When it came down to bring the best out of other talent during the matches of her terrible title reign you didn't even try to respond to that. Liv has fun matches all the time, no one cares about Vaquer until she pulls out the ass move to desperately cling to relevancy.
>>19966972>they know Vaquer isn't over,
>>19966977im not that anon and you're retarded af
>>19966857What causes people to blindly hate wrestlers this much? Namely women. There's so much of on it this board between Liv, Rhea, Iyo, Blake, Vaquer, etc. Is it all one person? Are there that many worked schizos on here?
Midcedes wishes she was Liv
>>19966857She's the main character of the women's division. Dilate
>>19966972big nose fumbled vaquer so hard. idk why he went all in on shoving all his top stars on raw like rhea, iyo, liv, asuka into tag shit. stephanie was red red red hot but she got cooled off by having to feud with midcarders until liv won the rumble. now no one cares anymore. it's a shame.
>>19966890Hope the Livster shoots on that lying PUTA
why do you guys keep saying stephanie was wrong/was lyingshe was 100% right about everything
>>19966985Get your dilator out of your ass and accept that Vaquer is lazy and boring you pathetic simp.
>>19966993her own fault for not learning how to talk. even if she had good matches, that will only carry you so far, but all her matches are atrocious and no one has any reason to care about her. she's ivy nile with a fat ass
>>19966993>fumbled an esl stephanie just doesn't have the ability to make feuds interesting just like this feud its being carried by liv
>>19966972>Vaquer is not a draw and doesn't deserve this big of a spotBut Raquel is and deserves that spot
>>19967006Raquel and Liv have great chemistry with each other and would have an excellent feud
>>19967006you can make a more interesting story with raquel than steph
>>19967009Well you'll get that feud at some point after Liv wins the title. But it won't be happening on one of the big 4 PPVs.
>>19967001>lazy and boring you pathetic simp.what makes her boring?
>>19967002liv laughing isnt a good promo >>19967004liv never carried a feud
>>19966857The booking of Vaquer is the problem. She has been booked as though the pops she generated in 3,000 seat venues by the sort of diehard fans that attend NXT live events were going to immediately translate to the main show. They did the same with Giulia, whose career is fucked now. I don't understand how they can keep on making this mistakeDespite having Cole, Graves, Tessitore, and Barrett lecturing viewers at length at how incredible Vaquer is at every aspect of wrestling, she is barely over, thanks to her ass. Liv's Raw promo was scripted to serve the same end, explaining to everyone that Vaquer was trained by Jose Lothario and that her boyhood dream had come true and that you're supposed to like her more than Bret. It isn't taking. This feud is gonna suck. Liv isn't even feuding with Jade and yet their fleeting encounters have shown a chemistry that Vaquer is yet to show with anyone on the main roster yet. They ought to find a way to turn it into a triple threat with Racquel and Roxanne. It won't be difficult to write the storyline, even with it beginning with three heels. They have been teasing the conflict between a phony sense of unity and personal selfishness within each member of the Judgment Day since all the way back when Priest first turned on Edge. There are countless creative possibilities this opens up, including an easy opportunity for Dom to be featured as the fuccboi all three girls want in their corner.
>>19967009>Raquel and Liv have great chemistry with each other and would have an excellent feudyikes
>>19967002rhea is the top girl in the company and she has never cut even a single good promo. iyo became a top star while speaking even worse english than vaquer. the other champion is jade, who is doing squash promos now because she's so bad at them, and her top challengers are jordynne and tiffany, also bad promos.even with poor mic skills and bad english (which, she is improving at still), we see that these things aren't necessarily impossible impediments - vaquer could have been a bigger deal than she turned out to be if she was featured opposite more important talent.there are very few good promo girls in WWE right now anyway. we need carmella to unkwab.
>>19967000Liv was never pushed, never supposed to be a star, never marketed, never one of the "chosen ones" with the booking team solidly behind her giving her endless chances. She was never supposed to be anything special, but she had charisma and gave her everything to any shitty storyline or gimmick she got. She worked years and years slowly moving from being the designated jobber of a midcard card faction to basically solo carrying Raw, and she did it all with her own hard work and improvement. This isn't even covering what she overcame in real life.This entire storyline should be something Liv used if she was going to face Jade, not something used against her when she's overcome more than 99% of the roster
>>199670332022-2023 liv was tag teaming with raquel no one would notice that she was staying in catering
>>19967026even a cooled off vaq is 10000x more over than giulia, they aren't comparable
>>19967019The fact that you can't get invested in her storylines because she refuses to learn English. Even in Spanish (which I don't understand) she just talks like she's tired. In ring wise I can't remember any move she does except the Dragon Screw (which I like) and her ass move. There just isn't anything memorable once you try to see her for what she's worth (like she asked when she tried to bury the Devil's Kiss)
>>19967029rhea got over iyo, why do you think they always attach women to rhea? steph just has negative aura and doesn't connect with the crowd
>>19966988No sell this, you chink. Based!
>>19967047>steph just has negative aura and doesn't connect with the crowddo you even pay attention to the show retard?
Why don't they just put live subtitles when the ESL's give their fucking promos? i get that they won't get the crowd reaction, but there's no reason not to have them on TV. They didn't even put subtitles for her promo when they uploaded it to twitter. Someone had fucking grok translate it in the replies.
>>19967029Rhea is terrible at promos but she has "aura" and (had) a gimmick of being a smug bossy domme goth bitch.Iyo isn't over unless Rheas aroundJade is another auramaxxerNo one cares about the roid bitch, and Tiffany got over for being a snotty blonde bimbo, but her star faded when they flanderized her into just saying her catchphrase 20 times a night.Vaquer literally has no identifying trait, gimmick, or personality besides her ass. She's been in the company 8 months now and she still has no character, no motivation, and no personality
>>19967047iyo was more over before she got tied to rhea, and stephanie is plenty over for a girl. nikki bella cooled her off because feuding with her is a death sentence. i'll give you that liv is more over than steph though
>>19967047she was over before rhiyo, them teaming up was capitalizing on both of their overness together. and stephanie is over, she got over pretty much based on aura as well, since she can't really talk that well. even then, the few coherent promos she has cut got over, like the "wrestling is my first language" one. she does connect with the crowd, but they cooled her off and treated her as a secondary part of the show.
>>19967055>Vaquer literally has no identifying trait, gimmick, or personality besides her ass. She's been in the company 8 months now and she still has no character, no motivation, and no personalitymaybe she should steal liv's gimmick
>>19967057iyo was getting no reactions before the rhea storyline, just go back to before the triple threat at wm to see the reactions iyo got
>>19967064horse shit. iyo's been one of the most over women they've had for a while
if you need a video packages to know how good a wrestler is than you shouldnt watch wrestling
>>19967026Vaq got instantly over in her debut because of her look and ring skills, she just has no charisma so people eventually got bored of her. She should just lean into her sex appeal and be the anti-Rhea. Like some femme fatale shit. Don’t know how the crowd would react to a heel turn from her tho. People want to cheer for her, she just doesn’t give them anything to cheer about
>>19967072if you don't need video packages to know how good every wrestler is then you should get a life
>>19967064go watch their matches or segments on raw before the triple threat and you will see that this is not true at all.
>>19967071You're absolutely delusional. iyo isn't even top 5 over women right now much less a year ago
>>19967083she was more over a year ago. i don't know who the top 5 over women are now because i don't watch the show
>>19967083she definitely is. it's probably rhea, liv, alexa, iyo, chelsea. tiffany maybe is close. they put her in the wrestlemania ad for a reason.
>>19967083>iyo isn't even top 5 over women right now much less a year agoiyo literally is the best wrestler they have in the womens division lmfaooo
>>19967083She was Kairi tier just a year ago was she not? Just another one of Asuka’s goons that never go any reactions. I was surprised to see her get over this much, even surpassing Asuka. She even got over with me
>>19967087>>19967088Rhea, Liv, Chelsea are top 3 and honestly no one is close to them.
>>19967087i think creative has been so bad this year that every single wrestler has fallen off
>>19967096>Chelsealmfaoooo
>>19967097absolutely. i find it mostly unwatchable even though i like a lot of the current roster
>>19967097smackGODS wouldn't know this feelingrawcels in the MUD
>>19967101t. michael hayes
>>19967104You niggas been watching the same Melo Ilja match for 2 years
>>19967095She wasnt some jobber, but Paul tried for two years to jam her in top spots and no one ever cared. It wasn't until last summer when all the Rhea stuff really started that you could rely on her getting a pop consistently
>>19967104smackdown cured my insomnia
iyo had to dumb herself down to connect with the audience if you cant tell how a wrestler is good by their ring style than you're dumb
>>19967112People shit on the tag team stuff, but Rhea and Iyo do have great chemistry. I think it’s elevated Iyo overall
>>19967120if the only thing good about a wrestler is their ring style then they're not good wrestlers
>>19967131so you want a wrestler like trick williams spamming catchprases?
>>19967104that's copecody is about to win the title again for the billonth time literally nothing has changed from wm 41
>>19967135trick's more over than iyo or liv or stephanie
>>19967135the ideal wrestler is essentially a jey uso catchphrase merchant that can work as good as AJ styles or bret hartin other words it's kurt angle but we are still waiting on another one
>>19967151>cant read
>>19967154kurt angle but the size of hulk hogan
>>19967135Yes. Mic work is more important than anything else.
>>19967157yes i would prefer a wrestler like trick williams over whichever woman you're defending in this thread
>>19967164storytelling is the most important thing in wrestling
>>19967169that's the booker's job
>>19967169Promos and good merch, chico
>>19967135Before long you will be running the Trick Willy General threads on /pw/. He is the best thing to come out of NXT in over a decade. He has damn near already taken over this Liv thread. Let's talk about it.
>>19967164spamming more than 5 catchphrases isnt mic work lol
>>19967176merch is irrelevant storylines are the heart and soul that carry wrestling
>>19967177i hope melo gets a career ending injury before he takes Trick down to his level with a rehashed feud that will only be enjoyed by the nxt crowd
>>19967177the bell needs to ring
Hate the midget but I liked this team up better than Liv with either of them. Liv is too overpowering
>>19967181you provided a false dichotomy implying the choice is between ESL that can do moves and a catchphrase merchant
>>19967183Trvth nvke
>>19967181Anyone that people remember in wrestling would beg to differ>>19967182>merch is irrelevant
>>19967196if you spend so much time yapping out catchphrases you're obviously not good in ring
>>19967193not a huge roxanne fan, i find her to be kinda boring and her ring work not good enough to make up for it, but i did like this tag team
>>19967207Is that the bottom line?
>>19967217the bell needs to ring
>>19967193roxanne is another wrestler that doesn't connect with the crowd
>>19967221WHAT?
>>19967223cause they just slapped in the judgement day
>>19967217Got em>>19967221This workrate shit isn't getting over
>>19967217there are niggas on this board that unironically try to tell me that austin wasn't a top tier workerowen kwabbed him and that hurt him but even then he would still have great matches
>>19967236There's a lot of retarded faggots on this board
>>19967230>This workrate shit isn't getting overyou're dumb
>>19967240Okay how u know
>>19967240If y'all wanna see me whoop anon's ass, gimme a HELL YEAH!
>>19967236no wonder he likes kenny omega so much
if workrate doesnt matter then why did jey uso get so much hate
>>19967244HELL YEAH
>>19967236whats his ring style promos isnt the only thing a wrestler needs to do
>>19967247not enough catchphrases. the greats all had 5 at least.
>>19967252So you don't know?
>>19967254people started turning on yeetman over inring wrestling. the same thing is happening to dom
>>19967260Just when they think they know the answers, you change the questions.
>>19967247TRVKE INCOMING:workrate does matter, but it's not everythingsmarks that only care about workrate and antismarks that don't even watch the matches are two sides of the same coin, from the mint on planet retard
>>19967223True but I think she works best with Raquel. I would add Julissa Mexa to tie the team together
>>19967264mic>look>workrateand you need at least 2 of the 3
>>19967262if he'd had enough good catchphrases, that wouldn't have happened. he just has a word.
>>19967271This
>>19967189That line works when you're talking about someone like Karrion Kross, but not Trick. He is a 6/10 who isn't far from rising to a 7/10 in the ring. It has served him well to work a few matches with Fenix, as will the obviously planned future matches with Sami. He performed well in the triple threat he won over Priest and Melo, especially in the finishing sequence. He starts slow, his timing can be off, and at times he wrestles "smaller" than he should be, but these are the sort of minor flaws that will vanish over time when he's booked to work with guys like Orton, Cody, Seth, Punk, or other established vets. I don't expect Trick to become the next Danielson or Styles in the ring, but I have faith in him becoming a well above average in-ring performer. The talent pool is generally barren right now, so I'm glad to see a guy like Trick show up and make things happen simply by having the camera pointed at him.
>>19967271So your favorite wrestler is the great khali
>>19967283he also has a good look and is fine on the mic outside of catchphrases.
>>19967291No it's Scott Hall.
>>19967283>>19967293I liked trick when he was tagging with melo but none of them are making it far on their own
>>19967295he had all 3
>>19967271punk has 0.5 of these and he's the top guy in the company
>>19967303it's a sad state of affairs
>over 100 posts in under 2 hours on a dead board for a womeme threadSimps really need to be beheaded
>>19967298most of my favorites did. that's why they're my favorites.
>>19967306god forbid people discuss wrestling on a wrestling board
>>19967306>REEE TALK ABOUT WRESTLING>No not like that!
>>19967306this was a very evolving thread covering many topics. it went from>was it mistake for liv to win?to>can vaquer make the feud interesting?to>does vaquer actually suck?to>is vaquer over?to>who can promo?to>is iyo over?to>does workrate matter?to>is trick only a catchphrase?to>who has the best catchphrase?to>was stone cold a good worker?to>what's important to making a complete wrestler?to>who is a complete wrestler?there's a lot going on in here and this thread had the potential to go sideways as many women's wrestling threads do but it didn't
>>19967306This is an achievement. This thread got more over than Giulia in minutes. I was supposed to be focusing on analyzing and interpreting a complex text but then this thread distracted me and fucked up my life kinda. /pw/ delivered outta nowhere tonight with this one.
this trickfag needs to kill himself
>>19967350how?
>>19967350t. lightskin
>>19967306KEK got the simps MALDING
women's wrestling like omg yaaaaaassssss Liv slayyyyy
>>19967293trick is actively good on the mic, he's better than fine. he made sami look like a complete buffoon.i will never forget when he told oro mensah to go back to africa.
>>19967354>>19967357this thread is about how liv has to carry vaq's no talent ass
The amount of seethe Liv causes is impressive
>>19967388vaquer atleast doesn't need a man to be with her 24/7
>>19967388don't think a single person ITT is seething besides the incel poster
>>19967379It was, but then it got better
>>19967397She will when she looks like the old lady from Poltergeist in about 18 months
>>19967379>vaq's no talent assvaquer actually learned how to be a wrestler not a wwe slop shitter liv sucks
>>19967516liv literally has to carry vaq through this program, your fav has no charisma
>>19967524you dont even remember what liv said this week on raw
>>19967398You're blind then I guess
This thread is awesome and Trick Willy will forever be the GOAT who doesn't need workrate to be over.Liv has an interesting and very entertaining character. Her mic skills aren't great, her in ring skills have improved over the years and she isn't a proven draw (albeit, she is over), but she has worked very hard for her spot. Yet, Vaquer came into the company a little over a year ago and is well into her way of eclipsing Liv's entire plethora of accomplishments, simply because she is a better "wrestler"; even if she is not as over, or entertaining, or even if she cannot speak English. This women has already accomplished what took Liv about 8 years to accomplish. Let that sink in for a second.
>>19967565>Trick Willy will forever be the GOAT who doesn't need workrate to be over.his in-ring style still sucks
>>19967397I mean Vaquer needs Dom to translate since she can't speak English lmfao
>>19967565Bitch Williams is a zesty bulbasaur and draws no dimes.
>>19967565trick can work too when he has the right opponent(s), he's no slouch
>>19967569>>19967573Trick Williams will be world champion in less than two years and you will have no choice but to cope.
>>19966857it’s not her fault vaquer is dimeless and the only appealing thing about her is her ass
>>19966993she’s had 2 ppv matches since she became champion and will continue to only have 2 until wrestlemania at that point it’ll have been 7 months with only 2 ppv appearances. they obviously don’t rate her past social media presence
>>19967181then why is the rock the best talker in wrestling history?
>>19967565how is she not a draw when people will actively buy tickets if she’s on the show just to see her?
>>19967819this is a weird thread. according to different people not one of the women is over or a draw
>>19967033They tried to put her in that cuck angle with Rusev and Lana and that died a death, her SD woman's title reign was a wet fart as she couldn't cut a promo without sounding like she was on the verge of tears and she wasn't believable against girls like Ronda. Teaming with Rhea was inoffensive if unremarkable, I'd say she got plenty of chances before being inserted between Rhea/Dom (which is what got her over). That was her lucky break, her ring work isn't that strong and her promos still kind of suck so she really needed that rub.
>>19967033Oh shut the fuck up. She got signed because she knew Gaytch's trainer. Didn't get pushed in NXT because she was there when Asuka was burying the roster. She was gonna start to get pushed in NXT but got called up a month after Asuka got called up. Vince booked her like he booked 99% of the women but then Gaytch takes over in 2022 and he immediately has her win MITB and the title, and was booking her to be in the Rumble for an hour and it taking 2 people to eliminate her in Elimination Chamber, then she got her hurt, came back and got the title and he's been shoving her down throats since.She was one of the biggest beneficiaries of Gaytch taking over.
>>19967565>interesting and very entertaining characterNah, she's bitchy chicken shit heel #1645. You only find her interesting and entertaining because your dick is a simp. If you didn't have a simp dick you would see she is not very interesting and more annoying than entertaining
>>19967819So your logic is if 10 people bought tickets because of Natayla that would make her a draw?
>>19967741He isn't. I could easily name 10 guys that were much better talkers than him.
>>19967698You're retarded
>>19966857>Baggy eyes>Double chin>Bulging forehead>Skullet31 and absolutely walled. Was it the weed?>*Ribbit*
>>19968048she won MITB because she was over despite never being pushed. she then had the terrible Ronda feud, and then had a shitty feud with Becky no dimes, and after that was put in mothballs until they teamed her with Rhea. She created Rhea's entire domme mommy gimmick which was the only reason Rhea ever stopped coming out to the ring in silence. She got hurt and was left entirely off of mania after coming back, and was only supposed to be designated jobber #7 during the peak of RHEAWINSLOL, but Rhea got hurt and after big nose placated an even more dimeless version of Becky, she was finally given what was supposed to be a filler title reign. She got her storyline so red hot that it was the main draw on Raw, with at least 30 minutes per show devoted to it, and was the unquestioned main character of the show because no one was tuning in for Damien fucking Priest. This storyline made Rhea when she came back as much as the Bloodline story made Cody, and neither Rhea or Cody have been as over since. After she spent 8 months carrying their A show they rewarded her by sending her to tag team hell with her Jannetty, while Paul booked his 3 waifus in a nothing storyline that made no sense (good match to resolve it admittedly) but she was so over by this point people loved her and Raquels mean girl antics, and they had great tag matches on the main events of Raw, so right after mania they once again made her the main character of the show and had her in 5 different storylines before she got hurt.They were hoping she could do for Vaquer what she did for Rhea, but they gave her a godawful story premise that the fans boo'd her for agreeing with because it's so bullshit, and Vaquer has Giulia level negative charisma, so it's flopping despite her best efforts. She is still mega over as her smackdown appearances show, but Paul is determined to dim her star so that she doesn't bury his new ESL pet project
>>19968384No one is reading all of that lmao
>>19968384Great points.
>>19968384She didn't make Rhea a star either. You make alot of delusional points. Liv is over, sure, but not as much as you think. Bianca, Iyo, Rhea and Alexa are far more over and entertaining acts. Please provide statistical proof, rather than arena pops. Atlanta didn't seem to pop very much for her either, so we cannot always rely on arena pops.
>>19968549Bianca is dimeless and no one wants toadmit it. Blacks thinking she’s over is just cope.
>>19968549I didn't say she made Rhea a star, I said she made Rhea be the biggest star she's ever been and she's never come close to being that over since, which isn't debatable. Rheas reactions now aren't even half of what she was getting during the Liv feud.>Please provide statistical proof, rather than arena pops.You're retarded. Also top merch seller in the company 2024 and now currently in 2026. Cry about it.
>>19968568Rhea was more over in 2023 and early 2024 than she was against Liv, lol. She also gets the biggest pops in the division by far.
>>19968559take those meds asap
>>19968592Keep coping Tyrone. She was the worst part of her feud with the other two.
>>19968568>Rheas reactions now aren't even half of what she was getting during the Liv feud.why do you livfags lie so much lmfaoo
>>19968549Iyo and Bianca aren't more over than Liv, Alexa might be but she hasn't done anything noteworthy in years.
>>19968610>Iyo and Bianca aren't more over than Liv,spreading more lies
>>19968610I’d say it’s RheaIyoLivChelseaAlexa
>>19968568You are a fucking idiot if you truly think she made Rhea a bigger star. Rhea being a dominant goth bitch with Dominique by her side is what made her a star, hence her 2023 Rumble win and her WM match with Charlotte.>You're retarded. Also top merch seller in the company 2024 and now currently in 2026. Cry about it.You sound like a flaming faggot. Plus, why wasn't she a top merch seller in 2025? Also take into effect that Rae had a much lower viewership in 2024, ahixh proves she isn't much of a draw. Also, according to statistics, AJ Lee and Alexa Bliss are higher merch sellers in 2026. You simp so hard bro, stop giving Liv fans a bad name lmao it isn't that serious.
>>19968624*Raw
>>19968624Rhea was the most over after her comeback chasing around Dom and Liv. Pops, buzz, media views, all support this. It's literally not debatable.>Plus, why wasn't she a top merch seller in 2025?because she wasn't on the shows for 7 months ya shoot retard
>>19968659And people forgot about her or what? And it was only 5.
>>19968659> because she wasn't on the shows for 7 months ya shoot retardDoesn't change the fact that she was present majority of the year you flaming homosexual.Rhea was vastly more popular during her 2023 run and even during her road to WM 40 when she fought Becky. You make faggot claims with insufficient evidence. Stop being a BITCH and back up your stupid claims Livcel lol
>>19968671Nah not really. People realized how grim the heel side of the women were without her. And Naomi too. Raquel and Roxanne didn’t have the charisma for it. Asuka was just losing and Becky turned into an unfunny gimmick.
>>19968688there are 12 months in a year
>>19968384> she won MITB because she was over despite never being pushed. she then had the terrible Ronda feud, and then had a shitty feud with Becky no dimes, and after that was put in mothballs until they teamed her with Rhea. She created Rhea's entire domme mommy gimmick which was the only reason Rhea ever stopped coming out to the ring in silence. She got hurt and was left entirely off of mania after coming back, and was only supposed to be designated jobber #7 during the peak of RHEAWINSLOL, but Rhea got hurt and after big nose placated an even more dimeless version of Becky, she was finally given what was supposed to be a filler title reign. She got her storyline so red hot that it was the main draw on Raw, with at least 30 minutes per show devoted to it, and was the unquestioned main character of the show because no one was tuning in for Damien fucking Priest. This storyline made Rhea when she came back as much as the Bloodline story made Cody, and neither Rhea or Cody have been as over since. After she spent 8 months carrying their A show they rewarded her by sending her to tag team hell with her Jannetty, while Paul booked his 3 waifus in a nothing storyline that made no sense (good match to resolve it admittedly) but she was so over by this point people loved her and Raquels mean girl antics, and they had great tag matches on the main events of Raw, so right after mania they once again made her the main character of the show and had her in 5 different storylines before she got hurt.They were hoping she could do for Vaquer what she did for Rhea, but they gave her a godawful story premise that the fans boo'd her for agreeing with because it's so bullshit, and Vaquer has Giulia level negative charisma, so it's flopping despite her best efforts. She is still mega over as her smackdown appearances show, but Paul is determined to dim her star so that she doesn't bury his new ESL pet project
>>19966986They’re femcels, pay attention to how they type- only women hate other women this much
>>19967247From who? Live crowd (actual paying customers) loves Jey- if you can explain why ilja dragunov, guilia, diy, and dragon lee get zero pops then maybe this will be a legitimate discussion
>>19968999most wwe fans are children and dont understand wrestling
KWABotcha wishes she was in WWE
>>19969073made you seethe
>>19968115that’s never happened
>>19969073Thankfully WWE big leagued that antidraw
The seethe that Liv creates just by existing is so fucking funny lol
>>19968693And what exactly does Liv’s screeching add to the division? Who is she even feuding with? Couldn’t tell ya
>>19969327But enough about Sasha banks
>>19969371Before her injury she had like 3 storylines going on. Yes they fumbled her feuds after she came back anyways.
>>19968624>Dominique>ahixh
>>19969061Wrestling isn't the complicated artform you retarded fucking trannies have convinced yourselves of as some cope to deal with the fact that you like watching fake fighting. Get over yourself, dumbass
>>19966857This thing... It's not white. It's not italian or irish or anything white adjacent. It's not mexican. It's not asian. It's not even black. It's something horrible and subhuman. This is not a person.
>>19970015You looking in a mirror?
>>19970027GOTTEM
>>19966857No way, the chick from the Riot Squad won the Rumble?
>>19966986Because most of them suck, despite what Haitch says
>>19967033>Liv was never pushedBut has held a women's world title for over 300 days combined, one of those being over 200 days
>>19968048That part
