Professional wrestling and MMA are the same thing but MMA is only slightly less worked.
>>20148022True
>>20148022In what fucking way?
>>20148022Truth
>>20148022Not true. The most iconic element of pro wrestling is the pinfall. When people think of pro wrestling they think of the 1-2-3. MMA doesn't have pinfalls.
>>20149024MMA is a mix of styles from around the world to pit competitors against one another in combat sports. Pro wrestling is similar, given that it's based loosely on Greco-Roman wrestling and catch wrestling, but it allows for strikes and submissions, which GRW doesn't. Catch wrestling is all about submissions but doesn't focus on striking. Professional wrestling looks a lot more like MMA than it does GRW or catch wrestling.
>>20149148You can also win by TKO, KO or submission, which are not allowed in Olympic wrestling or Greco-Roman.
>>20148022True. Wrestling is superior as a business and a form of entertainment because mass audiences need a name and a face that they can identify with to really become invested in the show. This revelation is essentially why the professional wrestling business was invented.The UFC is always trying to find the next face of their sport. The biggest one was Conor McGregor, who possessed the qualities that made for a good pro wrestler. The next two biggest draws historically, if I'm not mistaken, have been Brock and Ronda -- both of whom cross over between the two businesses. Dana White and the UFC are always trying to "push" the next fighter they can promote to draw interest, but it blows up in their face a lot because the sport of MMA has too many variables to securely predict the next athlete who will get over with the public. The most recent was Paddy Pimblett, who was kinda getting over so the UFC carefully booked him against what was supposed to be lighter competition. This is an example of why I agree with OP. Then Paddy got his ass whipped in a #1 contender fight by a guy who was supposed to be washed up. Happens a lot.
It's definately harder to get a title shot if Dana doesn't like your politics or if you win fights in a boring way.
The earliest MMA gyms in Japan were started by former pro-wrestlers. Brock Lesnar himself said that there isn't much difference between either of them at a core level because the business models are practically the same. I bet if anything Dana White wishes he could borrow more from pro wrestling in a few regards.
>>20149458Also, one of the biggest MMA stars in Japan was a guy named Kazushi Sakuraba and he absolutely clowned on 4 different Gracies who were, at the time, at the top of the sport. Sakuraba started as a professional wrestler and that's what he claimed as his fighting style.
>>20149210If you wanna go back a few decades too, Dan Severn was pretty well-known in MMA during his prime and fought for UFC a lot, in addition to him being in pro wrestling.
>>20149478>Dan Severn?! Your first thought is DAN SEVERN?! ARE YOU D'LO BROWN?
>>20149516I always liked Severn more than Shamrock even though Shamrock whooped him.
>>20149629Don Frye was better than both anyway
>>20148022MMA is fucking gay thoughbeit.
>>20149689and pro wrestling isn't right lmaooooo
>>20149458>there isn't much difference between either of them at a core levelI mean the fundamentals are completely different in the sense that pro wrestling is about trying not to hurt the other guy for real and MMA is about trying to hurt the other guy for real (sure there's working stiff but that's a mutual agreed upon thing unless you're a retard like Low-Ki)
>>20149715Wrestling is worked gay. MMA is shoot gay rape.
>>20149717That's a good point, but that's really the only difference between them
>>20149689Nah you are
>>20149740Someone post the BJJ pasta
>>20150112Brazilian JuJitsu legit looks like gay rape. It was created by a jap named Mitsuyo Maeda, who learned early-phase Judo from its founder (Jigoro Kano). However, Maeda was expelled from Japan for 2,400 acts of forced public homosexuality. So, he took his manraping skills to the jungles of Brazil, hoping to rape many exotic species in the rainforest. One day, while chasing monkeys, he found the Gracie brothers. I dont have to tell you what happened next. Rather than run away, the gracies decided to become his students, becoming proficient in the arts of homosexual rape. When their training was complete, Maeda excreted a 4-foot long turd on each of their tests, telling them it was their "brown belt." All the elder gracies still have those giant Rio steamers, in glass cases on their walls, as heirlooms to be passed on to their descendants. Truly, brazilian ju jitsu has a glorious history.
>>20150151kek
>>20150151Always pops me
>>20149210>Wrestling is superior as a business and a form of entertainment because mass audiences need a name and a face that they can identify with to really become invested in the show.explain to the folks at home why ufc outdraws wwe then
>>20148022Kek. No pro wrestlers are 99.9% just fake tough guy pussies that would cry after getting hit once and don't ever known how to breakfall after being thrown properly
>>20151675That's because UFC maintains kayfabe, unlike WWE. Pro wrestling has been exposed, and without kayfabe it will never be as popular as UFC. UFC is a work though.
>>20151776not a full work, otherwise some things never wouldve happenedobviously to a certain degree thoughcome to think of, jon jones wouldve probably got goldbergd if he decided to come back
>>20148022There's nothing that indicates that MMA is a work despite what retards online want you to believe.MMA is where wrestling was nearly two centuries ago, a legit sport with almost no works and whose ruleset makes it exceptionally boring at the highest levels; which is a common issue legit sports always have to solve, even large established ones like football and basketball, where most of the fan hate 3 point chuckers or Pep's anti football system; and it's important to point out that the UFC ( Like any promoter in wrestling back in the day ) doesn't have the same influence and monopoly as FIFA or the NBA on their sport, so it'd probably would be even harder for them to change rules of the sport to make it more exciting ( And they use a ruleset that they themselves lobbied to various commissions ).And now, they're facing the same problems wrestling faced two centuries ago, what do you do when Steve Austin always gets stretched by X-Pac? How do you make money off guys who takes at least 6 years to get a fanbase and rarely stay at the top for more 2? How do you convince people to pay at least 50 bucks for Ricochet vs Seth Rollins when Hulk Hogan is getting squashed in the undercard?The easy answer would be to work it, but nowaday it's a serious crime that'll send you at least a few years in jail in almost all civilized countries and even if it wasn't it's not possible to work strikes convincingly and in an entertaining manner, as almost every wrestler that have ever existed shown.So the best they can do, is protect their top guys through careful booking, give them more opportunity or grease the hand of anti doping agencies and athletic commissions to give them an unfair advantage.If i were rich i'd buy some african MMA promotions, or some Senegalese wrestling arena, and would start slowly work a few matches; no one would give you shit over there and it'd be easier to revive Kayfabe little by little.
>>20151792>not one mention of biased judges
>>20151838Yeah, that too, i'm probably forgetting other thing.
>>20151792Get a load of this mark lol
>>20151792>he thinks UFC isn't workedLOOOOOL
MMA marks thinking that shit can't be worked is the funniest fucking shit ever. At least wrestling fans know our sports entertainment is fixed.
>>20151675Outdraws in what sense? From what I understand the WWE is the more valuable TKO asset, though both companies are presently strong financially in a way that can (and does) mislead many into believing their longterm prospects are less bleak than they really are.Are you referring to ticket sales? Total revenue? Profitability? Or something else?
>>20152324>>20152379>>20152066Explain how random favela monkey and inbred churkas can make their work seems more convincing than wrestlers who work with the same partners every night.Those who would've been marks back then are so afraid to get worked they can't even tell a shoot from a work.
>>20148022Less?
>>20149210Dana's pushing the anti-dimes mountain muslims because they're cheaper and won't bitch about pay like uppity first worlders.
>>20152915They are good heels.
>>20153047this
