who's better
They both look like faggots.
>>20206601fuckkkkk we need the dream back so badhe needs to go to MLW or TNA and take it over
>>20206605take that picture of you and your boyfriend off your monitor
>>20206605HOW?
dream's a better character, was probably a better wrestler too until he lost his step after an injury. the thing is we didn't really get to see dream go to the next level so there's no telling if he would've been able to keep his character strong
>>20206601Trick. Not close. Right side of pic ought to be Matt Riddle, the other formerly hyped wrestler whose cock addiction ended him, then I'd have a tougher time choosing. I'd go Dream over Riddle though. The gimmick that combines Rick Rude & Kit Wilson makes for a better character than the one that combines RVD & a generic indie shitter.
>>20206601Dwayne has dethroned tony atlas as zesty/corny black ape to laugh at and remains on top of the gay nigga homo pyramidHowever between those two ?Swerve,that nigga is so gay that he rivals actual fudge packer that larps as gay prince
>>20206601Trick has a better look, but Dream mogs him HARD by actually having charisma. Reminder that he singlehandedly got that charisma vacuum Aleister Blacked over, something no one else has done to this day.If I had a promotion I'd pick Dream. His character work and charisma makes up his lack of size.
Isn't the dude on the left a pedophile
>>20206601Vince McMahon would've screwed up with Velveteen Dream.He wouldn't have screwed up with Trick Williams.
>>20206934ironically now if vince really does start a new promotion, dream would be one of the best guys he could feasibly grab
>>20206607I think his brain doesn't work any more. He sounded like a cult member in that interview with Chris Van Vliet.
>>20206601Trick mogs in every conceivable way and anyone saying otherwise is just looking for a homoerotic minstel show and is instantly self-reporting as a BBC shitposter
>>20206890Seems like your understanding of charisma amounts to over-the-top theatrics. There's more to it than that, though it's a notoriously difficult characteristic to define. You'd probably say Dolph Ziggler has charisma too, but all of it is of the forced over-the-top sort that, just like his selling, is overdone and therefore shit. Velveteen Dream isn't quite as bad as Ziggler when it comes to this pseudo-charisma, but he has far more of it than Trick, who exhibits more of the natural unforced charisma that can't be faked. I'd like to see Trick cut out as much of the forced theatrics from his work as he can too (e.g., the comical overselling of the RKO on the SD after the Chamber).
>>20206953Who would be the other 2 BBDs?
>>20206967Typing all that shit just to say nothing at all.
>>20206967Ziggler had insane underdog charisma for a time, and that's why he got over. WWE never truly understood the way he was over (or just didn't care) and never actually pushed him in a way that utilized it.
>>20207061There are degrees of overness and Ziggler's never justified a push beyond midcard status. I'm using him as an example here because I think he makes for a good example to contrast Dream from Trick. One is trying hard to portray a charismatic character, and not totally failing, but the other simply has charisma.
>>20207769>One is trying hard to portray a charismatic character, and not totally failingTrick>but the other simply has charismaDream
I've never seen Trick work, but Dream was extremely overrated at the time. He had a bit of charisma, but his work was very basic and this was in an ultra scripted, practiced era of NXT where he was regularly working with top tier workers and the longer he was in NXT, the clearer it was that A) His work wasn't really improving that much and B) His character was very one-note. And that was before the group chat shit came out. >>20206890You literally have it backwards. Black is the one who got Dream over.
>>20206601Velveteen and it’s not even close.Better character and wrestler.I still don’t know why a grown man is proudly calling himself a trick or why his chant is crowd telling him to get his ass beat
>>20207794>WHOOP THAT TRICK>WHOOP THAT TRICK>WHOOP THAT, TRICK>WHOOP THAT, TRICK
>Anons thinking this is images oozes a charismatic force of natural magnetismI guess I shouldn't be surprised
>>20207797Whoop that trick doesn’t work in the same way because you talk about beating trick’s ass either way and not trick beating the other person.Either way I still am confused as to why a grown man would call themselves a trick.
>>20206601Velveteen Dream
>>20206601Trick. Dream only got over after feuding with Aleister over wanting Aleister to say his name.
>>20207838But he got over.All Trick has is the chant.
>>20207807He wins points with me by playing on the ambiguity of 'trick' as slang that bears several different senses. Most of them apply in contexts having to do with pimping and prostitution, which fits in well with his character. (I hope they don't phase out the 'Trick Slap' like it seems they might be). When 'whoop that trick' got over as a chant, one that even started getting chanted at non-wrestling events, the most prevalent sense of that slang term was for a slutty and trashy girl who poses as someone bougey and dignified. This understated accomplishment is one Trick Willy deserves more praise for. It's actually not even close, Trick wipes Dream off the face of the earth in this battle. It remains to be seen if any of the anons on Team Dream can make a substantive point in defense of the guy who never made it out of the small arenas.
>>20207769There were 2 instances where his overness did justify a push, the Survivor Series match and the IC vs Career ladder match. Two instances where his underdog charisma was at its biggest display and he was properly utilized. But they never properly followed up on either of these, and never used him in that way again.What I'm saying is, charisma comes in many forms, Dolph's was purely in ring in the underdog role. Trick has presence and flash right now, and it's working for him. He has natural charisma, but I think he's still finding his footing on the mic.
>>20207906And talent
>>20208801>charisma comes in many formsI agree. I tried making this point by distinguishing between the forced/theatrical and unforced/natural expressions of it in the post you initially replied to. I get the sense that you're not the anon who contends that Dream "actually has charisma," with the credibility-forfeiting implication being that Trick has none.We'll have to disagree on Ziggler. I admit I don't remember the two matches you're pointing to in support of his underdog appeal, but I've seen enough Zigg to form a fair judgment. For a very specific reason, let me cite HBK's masterclass in selling & underdog psychology in his Survivor Series 2003 performance. The high point of that match comes when HBK, drenched in blood and beat to shit, hits a desperation superkick out of nowhere before happening to collapse in exhaustion on top of Jericho (?) for the elimination. Perhaps as an homage, Ziggler mimicked that superkick-into-collapse pinfall sequence a thousand times, often 1 minute into a 5 minute match. This is senseless. I also distinctly remember a "Battle of Ohio" match he had on Raw with Miz. Ziggler's selling was embarrassing to watch. I'd say Miz is better than him, no bullshit. Perhaps we can find our way into a Ziggler thread.Back on topic: Trick is just about better than MJF already. He just needs to develop his in-ring skills a little more and working with Sami ought to help do that.
