This is retarded >inb4 referees discression!!1!No fuck off. That's some gayew level copearooski
Japanese rules
>>20299010ref saw the low blow too.
>>20299010it was cray cray how some matches had count outs and others didn’t or they had count outs but the ref decided not to count anymore
Sloppy ass shop
>>20299010Ref discretion makes sense thoughIt's the main event of the biggest show, treating it as a shoot the ref wouldn't want to throw that out, they're effectively just out there to do the bare minimum and count the pin
>>20299010Why would a ref call dq in the main event of your biggest show. He doesnt want to get fired.
>>20299010>throw someone into the steps>not a dq>throw steps into someone>ITS A DQyo op is your IQ below 50?
>>20299029I allow it
>>20299029If that's the case every mania main event should just end with the heel stomping the faces balls until they tap out. They know they won't get DQ'd so who gives a fuck.
>>20299020No he didn't. Punk distracted him with the wrist tape
>>20299010Look, you are technically correct. However, I don't care.
>>20299055See >>20299050
>>20299055And that's past the bare minimumYou're gonna have to use your abstract thought here to parse what a very lenient ref would and wouldn't allow but it makes sense that he wouldn't want to upset an entire stadium and potentially high-ups by making the match disappointing
>>20299010Because Roman is an idiot.>Punk wants to bleed>"Just hit my head on the steps or something">Retard Roman picks up the steps and hits him instead of just slamming Punk's head into it
>>20299010They should've done what they did at X7 and just have someone announce it as No DQ
>>20299050That's not how it works. There are times that a wrestler throws the other guy into the ringside chairs but it's not a DQ despite the fact that it would obviously be a DQ if the guy picked up the chair and swung it at them
But it's ok when kenny and okada use tables
>>20299010Title matches are always no-dqHunter clarified this multiple times
>>20299010The ring steps are part of the ring proper, and you can legally use any part of the ring
>>20299156NJPW is not WWE
>>20299177This. Vince would have had Michael Cole screaming that. Triple H is a moron.
>>20299029why did punk throw the wrist tape to hide the low blow then?
>>20299010Feels like this just got memoryholed by the end of the match. Took me out of the match
>>20299256Again, you're gonna have to use some abstraction here to grasp what a ref in this circumstance would and wouldn't allow.
>>20299266The ref is supposed to be an impartial figure enforcing the rules. If some rules matter and some don't, that is fucking stupid.
>>20299272This isn't a WWE specific thing, "ref discretion" is literally a meme in NJPWView it as an authentic contest, biggest match, biggest show. A ref would want to give as much leeway as possible to NOT throw that out.Punk trying to cover his cheating doesn't change that he's gonna exercise a lot of discretion.
>>20299256A low blow is an obvious dirty move worthy of disqualification
>>20299272Refs in pro sports make mistakes and use discretion all the time, especially in the playoffs, which this is essentially the WWE equivalent of. The alternative of having them robotically enforce all the rules perfectly would be less realistic if anything.
>>20299149no wrestler has ever taken a ringside chair, folded it up and hit someone. it's always a weaponized chair no one sits in.
>>20299300have you ever watched a wrestling match? there are so many instances of a wrestler telling the ringside people to move so he can fold up the chair that they're sitting on to use it as a weapon
>>20299285>>20299297It's fucking fake. You can just write around the rules. Knock the ref out, distract him with some other shit. Roman blatantly hitting Punk with a weapon is stupid. Having the commentators try to explain it makes them look stupid. Just make the match no DQ so they can brawl in the crowd and do weapon spots.
>>20299272Like OP said, it's the same bullshit they pull in AEW but because Punk is in it Smarks are giving it a pass, I fully agree. At least knock out the ref or something.
>>20299318no, they never use a chair someone sits in cause it's a worked chair. if someone sat in it it would immediately break.
>>20299336Seen them sit on them fine a couple of times
>>20299325It drives me crazy in AEW too. When Kenny is setting up a table to put MJF through and is telling the ref "sorry I gotta do it" it makes everyone look bad. AEW can get away with more because they don't seem to have the same set as rules as WWE. They're more liberal with countouts and the ref usually gets out of the ring to follow the wrestlers around, so they're not just standing in the ring yelling out numbers. But it's still shitty writing and annoying as fuck to watch as a fan.
>>20299029If they are gonna do this shit, just have the refs tell the guys hey it’s a championship match at mania, I’m gonna let things go that I normally wouldn’t but if you take it too far you’ll be dq’ed
>>20299336It's not a worked chair. Back in the day, they used to grab fans chairs and use them. The only reason they don't do it now is because the front row chairs have padding and are usually bolted down. But the chairs are not gimmicked.
>>20299324>It's fucking fake.And? You're still trying to portray a legitimate competitive struggle with infallible characters in order to tell a story. You watch any other sport and refs make mistakes or let things slide for the sake of it all the time, so your alternative is literally less realistic and more cliche if anything.
>>20299373I'm saying that because it's fake you can write the match around the rules instead of just doing whatever and trying to explain it later. It's shitty writing and planning. If they wanted Punk and Roman to have a WrestleMania main event with crowd brawling, blood, and wanted Roman over clean, they should have written it better. HHH and Taker at WM17 knocked the ref out and fought around the entire arena. They could have just had Punk pull the ref in the way and get speared. Ref stays down for 10 minutes while Punk and Roman fight on the outside and bloody each other up. It's that simple.
>>20299149You can throw your opponent into stationary items without a DQ its when you pick them up is when a DQ will be called, sometimes.
>>20299392A ref bump is certainly one way of doing it, but it doesn't need to be the only way. It's overused at this point, just like heels always needing to cheat to win. It's more believable that a ref used discretion and let something slide once or twice due to the high stakes nature of the match than being knocked out for ten minutes because a punch grazed him, especially when in the same universe people routinely get up from body slams after a few seconds.
It would have worked better if after this the referee was really strict with Roman, allowing Punk to capitalize.
>>20299435>people routinely get up from body slams after a few seconds.People that are used to taking bodyslams all the time and are trained and conditioned athletes. The refs were always portrayed as weaker in WWE. I just don't like the idea of refs having thoughts or opinions. Maybe Punk could save it by cutting a promo tonight saying that the office lets Roman get away with everything because he's the golden child. Make it part of the story that the refs let Roman bend the rules and screwed Punk.
>>20299463That makes punk look like a sissyLet's do it
They had a story to tell. The guy who won the belt that he considered to be an embarrassment needed to beat the Manny considered so old that he was an easy victim
>>20299471After the low blow, I see him going heel
>>20299476If Roman can exploit Punk tied in the ropes for like two minutes and also crack him repeatedly with steel steps and not be seen as the bad guy, Punk can do a low blow.
>>20299020He only saw Punk picking Roman up for the GTS.
>>20299010It is referee's discretion. It's the actual reason, so shut the hell up. There have been numerous examples of referees being lenient in big title matches in the past.
>>20299744Referee discretion is letting them brawl outside the ring without counting or doing a bit slower 5-count on the ropes. It's not blatantly allowing one of the guys to use a weapon
>>20299010Cody did the same to Brock at Summerslam.
>>20299010Why did no one agenting the match point out this made no sense?
>>20299010It's acceptable when it happens in WWE.
>>20299029>It’s the world series so I’ll allow you to kick the runner’s knee outlol>>20299050>hitting someone with something does the same damage as throwing them into itretard
>>20299289>hitting someone in the balls, something friends do to each other all the time as a prank, is more worthy of disqualification in a fight than hitting someone in the head with a giant steel object causing them to gush blood
>>20299010>DQhappened outside the ring ya tard, the mat is sacred
>>20299010why would the ref ruin the biggest match of the year with a DQ? he's not a character, he's just a dude doing a job, he's not going into business for himself
I dont see how it’s a dq when nothing illegal is happening. Read the WWE rulebook.
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>>20299010i dunno, but current wresttling is such a jokeevery raw main event is cody rhodes gets gank banged by a enemy faction, or the vision is gank banged by an enemy, or randy orton betrays/rko a friendis such a joke, and im tired of pretending is not
>>20299028fpbp
>>20303490>current wrestling>only watches WWE
>>20306357Well I’m not trans or a pedo so I don’t watch AEW or Jap shit
>>20306365>having to constantly announce you're not a pedo or trans because you don't consume (x) mediasure anon
>>20299156That's like seeing someone complaining about Euroliga match and yelling him about some NBA rule
>>20306365Nah you're just a ringboy that watches Vince sissyhypno
>>20306365>pedos immediately respond with angerkek
>>20306395the only angry response to him is yours desu
>>20299156this is like someone making a thread being critical about the nfl and then some retard comes and whines about middle school football
>sorry for the Reddit spacingThe correct take is that both sides have something valuable to say. Traditionally in 99.9% of matches the ref always follows the rules. There's no discretion, it's just a traditional wrestling referee.However, in a few select matches, the ref does provide discretion, which despite being acknowledged on commentary, throws everything off because we're not used to seeing it and everyone asks "Why is there not a DQ?"On the other hand, in the biggest events for sports, like the playoffs etc, the refs do provide discretion and let things go. So it would be a good thing to have in wrestling. However, they need to make it more obvious that for the main events or the biggest matches, the ref provides his discretion, but then the questions start coming out"Why don't heels just use weapons since the ref is giving discretion?" and questions like "Why doesn't the heel bring a gun to a No DQ match?" and "What in the blue hell is "Langis" lol"
>>20299010steps are legal because theyre a part of the ring. see: cody v lesnar
>>20299010It makes no sense. They say refs discretion, but there's no reason for that at the biggest possible match. It's just late era WCW shit to make up for lazy writing. They make it up as they go so they don't have to try as hard.But now they use UFC as an example of Refs letting shit slide, except fans hate that in real sports and WWE doesn't seem to realise it's FAKE!!!
>>20299256Because Punk was working face, Punk can't blatantly do a low blow despite Roman having used a foreign object as a weapon.
>>20306454>However, in a few select matches, the ref does provide discretion, which despite being acknowledged on commentary, throws everything off because we're not used to seeing it and everyone asks "Why is there not a DQ?"this, in aew it's a lot more common (i.e ref's being lenient on count outs) it really isn't a thing in wweif the fed were smart they'd turn that into an angle or something but I guess CM Punk is still face question mark so idk
>>20306454> "What in the blue hell is "Langis" lolI pooed"
>>20299010Same reason syringes in mouths aren't DQ's in AEW.
>>20306572>why didn't a Texas Deathmatch end in a DQ?e-drones everybody
>>20306590Ask a disingenous question, get a disingenous answer.
>>20306619Was the main event of Wrestlemania a No DQ?
>>20308247There have been many WM main events that involved stair shots and table bumps. Any real fan who wasn't trying to ask disingenous questions for a weak attempt at a gotcha knows this.
>>20308256lol shriek "disingenuous" as much as you like you thought you cooked and got immediately bitchslapped>manyname 'em
>>20306486Phil is a WWE face which effectively means; "kinda over and not very likable"
>>20308261Literally all three rock-austin matches and you are the one crying here cuz no one wants to play your gay little concern trolling games because you're upset that a WWE match with Punk of all people is getting universal praise.
>>20308274The main event of X-Seven was No DQ lolkeep crying you closetcase KWAB
>>20299297>Refs in pro sports make mistakes and use discretion all the time, especially in the playoffs, which this is essentially the WWE equivalent of. The alternative of having them robotically enforce all the rules perfectly would be less realistic if anything.Imagine the dimes from a match-fixing angle where it turns out referees are being paid off for incompetence and introduce VAR. Retcon every single ref botch as 'he was paid off'.Fake fights being fake-fixed is the next evolution of kayfabe.
>>20308813Is not an angle for wrestling unless you can make a ref robot with arms and legs so the regular refs can have a match with it
