Wrestlemania 43 Night 1 Main Event potential right here if they don't fuck it up.
>>20305082Reddit is down the hall and to the left
>>20305082Oops wrong image
Night 1 Main Event like Liv and Vaquer? Fuck off Indian troon>>20305140based
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>>20305082their matches were so fucking bad. please leave this garbage in the past. it's got 0% chance of being at mania anyway, this is a crown jewel teaser if anything.
>>20305082Crown Jewel teaser where Liv finally wins clean
>Wrestlemania 43 Night 1 Main Event potential right here if they don't fuck it up.
>>20305082Charlotte tieing her father by pinning heel Bliss (and you could throw Rhea into that) or Charlotte/Rhea III with Charlotte trying to surpass her father (but Rhea wins) are the only matches worthy of that.
>>20305229Charles will never main event Mania again
>>20305082we’ve seen this match 3 times already lmfao faggots like you are why the product is unwatchable
>>20305248Cena and Orton had over 20 matches
>>20305254and they nearly killed wrestling
>>20305082>if they don't fuck it up.They already fucked it up by doing this feud before. It was piss and shit and also really bad. It went on forever to the point both of them were begging for it to be over on social media. Terrible matches between them. Zero in-ring chemistry. You'd be a moron to put that on Mania
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>>20305082Champ vs Champ is a Crown Jewel match. Liv one the first one. Stephanie won last year. If Rhea and Liv are both still champ when it happens again they are fighting for that belt.
>>20305248>faggots like youclock itanother thread that'll have 200 replies because of pathetic tranny simps taking womeme wrestling seriously btw
Night 1 of WM 43 will be main evented by Cody vs Punk, which is the second biggest match Saudi money can buy, only behind Rock vs Roman which will be main eventing night 2
>>20305296clock it
>>20305229charles vs bliss isn't ever gonna happen. alexa could give a sister abigal to ric in the ring right in front of charlotte and people would never boo her or get behind charlotte. charlotte is finally relatively over as a babyface and she's happy about that. turning her and bliss on one another would instantly undo all of that.
>>20305082Already been down and they dragged it out forever. Only works if Liv is face and doesn't act like a coward this time
>>20305328Bliss got Nia cheered as a babyface so I think it will be fine. Just let her be super-nasty including to the audience. Saudis are marks anyways. They cheer the faces and boo the heels (assuming Mania even happens there next year).
>>20305082sickkk tatsvery coolwow
>>20305229i read that as "charlotte tying...pinning heel Bliss" and thought of charlotte bdsming alexa bliss
>>20305082Maybe on Planet Retard
>>20305082They already had the worst feud of the year, no need to reopen that wound
>>20305082Which one gets injured this time?
>>20305082If Diarrhea/Beko and Diarrhea/Charles didn't main event, this sure as fuck won't
>>20305699Liv is miles better and bigger than Charles and the potato bitch
>>20305272Who is that?
>>20305705Liv can't main event a Raw or SNME, she isn't main eventing WM. Had a chance this year and they put her in the spot before the main event and gave her 6 minutes
>>20305713That was because literally nobody cares about Vaquer and her meme ass move. Liv vs Rhea carried Raw for a year and their segment tonight got a huge reaction in the arena and on social media.Realistically speaking, it's still gonna be some sort of Punk/Cody/Reigns in that match because they're huge politicians backstage, but they Liv and Rhea would main event N1 in a fair world.
>>20305082>That meme Crown Jewel match where the obvious winner is Rhea YAWN can Triple Faggot get publicly humiliated again and fuck off
>>20305229>Thinking Womeme belts matter Lmao
>>20305730>still falling back on "asian" gooners who get off on hurt womenbased on that logic cathy kelly should main event lmao
>>20305769Liv has consistently drawn big numbers on social media, this is not some one-off. She's the top merch seller in the women's division, gets the most views constantly, gets big reactions for everything she does and represents WWE everywhere. She's the backbone of the women's division.
>>20305229I hope they do not rush the Bliss turn. It needs to be an "event" like Festival of Friendship or the Barbershop segment.
>>20305713Because Vaquer is a worthless unsafe shitter and they didn't want Liv in the ring at risk with her a second more than they had to. She took two moves the entire match, devil's kiss (which got no pop KWAB) and her own finisher. Both moves the person taking them controls completely. She had a great 15 minute match with Sol tonight
>>20305789i remember getting into an argument with a retard about unsafe shitters like vaq and the anon was like "it's their job to get hurt" and i was just like, "no it's not, it's their job to not hurt each other but make it look like it does and you're a moron and a mark and a japedo"
>>20305789>devil's kiss (which got no pop KWAB) Turn your speakers on
>>20305785you vastly overstate her "popularity," which has as much to do with dom as anything else. she had the least views of any highlight package on ESPN for wrestlemania. she was not even in the top 10 merch sellers on WWE shop last year despite being champion for about as long as Rhea was that year. and when dom and her split (IF they ever split) they will probably just inevitably put liv back with rhea to keep liv relevant.
>>20305823She deserved to get buried for that backstage run in where she slams full force into Livs neck. Either intentional malice in an attempt to not job, or pure retardation any person off the street would know you slam into someone's back and let them do all the actual work
>>20305858She gets massive numbers on twitter insta and tiktok. her merch was the highest selling in the company in 24, and is back near the top this year. Dom hasn't been over for months now
>>20305388last year, they cheered heel asuka and booed face jade, it's not so clear cut with them. i don't mean this as an offense to bliss but girls like her tend to be adored by these third world guys, i don't know if they'll turn against her at all.
>>20305730>Liv vs Rhea carried Raw for a yearthis was the worst part of the show almost every week it was on tv, how can a real human being think this
I'll say this twice today, I honestly think every single livtranny should be shot to improve global IQ
>>20305950meanwhile in real life, tonight she had an entire arena chanting you deserve it, had the most crowd response and involvement of any match on the show, got a this is awesome chant, and was trusted and respected enough that she was chosen to introduce and get over an NXT wrestler who 95% of the audience won't know because her charisma and overness would insure a hot crowd
>>20305897>Insta, Twitter, TikTokThese are all sites primarily for women. Does Liv have a women-dominated fanbase? She'd be pretty valuable to TKO then since there's a lot of room to grow that segment.
>>20305969simps really do have the mentality of a 12 years old fangirl lol
>>20305974>>20305977>no argumentKWAB
>>20305971Women, kids, and coomers are the majority of her fans, smarks hate her.
>>20305910merch sales always go up when someone gets a push. it does not mean they are not shitters or deserving of a wrestlemania main event lol. they could be pushing people with actual talent and their merch numbers would go up too.
>>20305998She's had a lot of relationship drama stories so I can see her fanbase being largely women. It's smart to aim for since nobody else in WWE really competes for women.
>>20306001So if I post a picture like this you'll admit she's a star?
>>20306008her matches get the crowd involved and investedshe sells merchshe's great at character work and promosshe never botches or tries spots she can't do. all her matches make sense, don't look cheorgraphed, and she improvises wellthere is no metric where she's not one of the top talents in the company
>>20306059All her promos get heat. She's quick witted and adaptable. She's extremely good at staying in character no matter the situation and responding in the way her character would logically think and behave. If you think she's a bad promo you don't understand wrestling
>>20306051>all her matches make sense, don't look cheorgraphed, and she improvises well
>>20306059Liv is a fantastic promo. Always in character, always selling the feud. She just doesn't do CM Punk style worked shoot bullshit.
>>20306101If only women and children reacted to her the chants, cheered and boos would sound like Cena's used to, and they clearly don't. you're just making yourself look stupid with your inability to admit she's over
>>20306079>She's quick witted
>>20306109Punk cuts worked shoot promos all the time because he's terrible at actually playing a character and thinking on the fly from the character's perspective. It's a crutch that more often drags feuds down than elevates them.
>>20306121https://m.youtube.com/shorts/_LMJxLoE1r4How many people on the roster male or female do you think on the fly could shut up what chants, reinvest the people doing them back in the promo and do that without having to break character or make a non sequiter but simply by tying your shot at them into what you're talking about
>>20306124>the character's perspectiveLmao. You are talking about Liv like she is playing some deep, layered character. Liv's "character" is just Generic WWE Mean Girl #6257 and even then Liv has never once sounded believable on the mic, let alone compared to Punk. Just kys.
>>20305229>>20305788Let it go, Bliss hasnt been relevant to the top end of the women’s card for nearly a decade
>>20306138Most guys will try to talk over the what chants, ignore them or change their promo timing. She killed them while playing into them. Smart promo.
>>20306142Almost all wrestling characters are basic. You're really just saying Punk can't even play a basic character.
>>20306144It's funny the dude is talking about Punk when he's been what chanted multiple times over the past month and been visibly pissed about it because he didn't know what to do. Even tonight he didn't know how to handle Jey Uso getting booed
>>20305279Bayleychads look like THAT?
>>20306144Go to sleep, Nick.
>>20306143Even on Unreal, HHH and the writers put her on the top end of women in WWE with Charlotte and Tiffany. Its pretty obvious she is eventually going to be feuding with Rhea or Charlotte or both soon enough.
>>20306142Nothing more believable than a skinny fat 50 year who got clowned on by a stoned photographer and finishes 3rd place in his local 3 man karate competition at a dadbod gym threating to beat up a former NFL player
>>20306157Punk can put some fantastic promos together when the worked shoot stuff elevates the feud and the other guy can kind of cut them back while dragging things into character, like with Drew. But he's starting to feel lost whenever he's not catered to and he's getting more exposed for relying on his crutch.
>>20306156punk played a cult leader and was great, retard. why should he play a basic character though when he can play a three-dimensional one? liv cannot even play a one-dimensional character well lol
>>20306167Bliss is definitely still over but I don't think they trust her to have big singles matches anymore. She hasn't been the same since Ronda broke her brain.
>>20306173Punks problem is that he tries to weave real life stuff into his promos so often that it basically is his character, but you're just supposed to memoryhole the stuff like >>20306168 that makes him look like a fucking dork so you get the weird rambling verbal blogposts like tonight
>>20306178It was great, it was also 20 years ago and he put real effort into putting his promos together instead of worked shoots over and over. He was writing promos for that months in advance. Entire promos.
>>20306168we are talking about his promos, dumb faggot. if you want to say he is not believable in the ring, that is fine but than liv sure as hell is not either. are you such a simp that you think liv is a believable threat to anyone? lmao
>>20306051I think Liv is over, just not as much as you think. Judging by Instagram/Youtube/Twitter interactions, A good portion of the IWC aren't fans of her and trashed her music video when it came out. Despite this, she is a very strong merch seller, is entertaining and can have a good match as long as she is being carried. Her mic skills are mid bit her character work is pretty top-tier. I'd say she is a very controversial character (50/50) where you either like her or you don't. I will say that without Dom, Rhea, or TJD, she wouldn't be nearly as over, which says alot about her starpower.
>>20306195he literally threatened to beat up McAfee in his promo two weeks ago. Do you even watch the shows?
>>20306180Eh, she is no worse than Jade and probably better than AJ Lee among others.
>>20306196She is (at worst) the second most over woman in the company and one of the 10 most over period.There's an annoying retard on this board who spams about her being the face of the company or whatever, but I don't even think he likes her, and is just doing it to piss people off
>>20306196Her music video does suck though.
>>20306199yeah, so? he is (over) confident in himself. not everything from the real world, like his mma record, has to be incorporated into the "wwe universe" or his promos. if you wanted to say he does not look or move athletically enough to be a believable threat against mcafee, that would be different.
>>20305833that nigga weird, bro>>20305789>derrrp NO POP!
>>20306222He's brought up his MMA career multiple times himself in WWE promos. It's absolutely part of his character lore. So you either find it believable he could beat up Pat, or you're being a hypocrite about "believable" promos
>>20306196Most rational post in the thread. Liv's real test will be how she does when she's on her own eventually.
>>20306222I'd watch a Punk vs McAfee MMA fight out of curiosity. As long as Pat doesn't train for it.
>>20306232a person with mma training like punk is going to do better in a formal fight than a person with no mma training like pat, unless pat says on wwe tv that he has been training in mma too. lol. also none of that has anything to do with the believability of a promo anyways. maybe punk is totally delusional. the important thing is you believe that he believes what he is saying.
>>20306196>I will say that without Dom, Rhea, or TJD, she wouldn't be nearly as over, which says alot about her starpower.yeah, it says that she is not a star lol>>20306234she has been on her own before and it was terrible. they are never separating her from dom or rhea.
>>20306250She also got major pops during her post-show interview. She also got a massive pop that time when she went on Smackdown during the Jade/Jordynne title match. She also didn't get much of a pop during the MSG, or when she was choosing her WM opponent. Again, its 50/50. Just for reference, Bianca didn't get much of a pop during the European tour before WM 41 and was still massively over in the states. Rhea gets pops in every city, so she is difficult to compare.
>>20306267I know you'll never admit it because you have a pathological hate for her but she's improved a lot in the last couple of years
>>20305785>Liv has consistently drawn big numbers on social media, this is not some one-off. >She's the top merch seller in the women's division, gets the most views constantly, gets big reactions for everything she does and represents WWE everywhere. >She's the backbone of the women's division.nah that's rhea, no one knows liv outside of wrestling everyone even normie know about rhea
>>20305082>muh heckin women's main event Kill yourself.
unemployed niggas staying up past midnight taking women's wrestling seriously kek
>>20306267I think it's matter of WWE/TKO wanting her to be a star in combination with really good character work that she produces. Think of Roman in 2015, but more over. That's why she has Dom, TJD, or Rhea; the same way Roman had Dean, Bryan putting over Roman, Seth, The Authority being a thorn, a WM match with HHH, Taker, etc. Atleast that is what it looks like.
>>20306274>>muh heckin women's main event >Kill yourself.based
>>20306196A lot of Liv's fanbase is white trash/low class. And I'm not using that term in its usual insulting way, it's just something I've noticed. A really big part of her fanbase grew up the same way she did, and relates to her and see themselves in her. She is also unapologetically herself which I think helps her popularity as well. She doesn't put on a character or create a "brand" in the way someone like Cody or Cena does. She's does drugs, drinks, swears, and acts like a slut. She's not ashamed of of her upbringing or herself, and she's very real and emotional on and off camera. A lot of people will adore that and a lot will hate it, which plays into the 50/50 you are talking about, and also why the people who love and hate her are so rabid about it. No matter what you really think of her though I don't think anyone would deny she has "it" no one calls her boring
>>20306330Best post in this thread. This is a perfect analysis of her character and it correlates to her popularity.
>>20306330Hey man we dont make well reasoned arguments here. Should have just called him a faggot.
>>20306330She's probably as far from her actual personality as possible when the cameras are on, and of course if somebody makes this whole argument about social identification with any other female wrestler you will write a wall of nonsense to say that only Liv is actually over and only her can have people identify with her storyLivtrannies are obnoxiously fucking deranged, it's crazy. Her character on screen is "obnoxious cunt heel". Which is fun and gets over.Then there's this retarded shit where her parasocial fans try to make the case that the reasons they simp for her, which you listed, are the reasons she's overThey aren't. She's over because she's a cunt heel. Not because she's this authentic hardworking "hero of the people" that you've built in your head. She'll always be mega over as a cunt heel and never as an underdog babyface because she's a pure product of the WWE system who spent her life wrestling and sucks at it.
>>20306330>you need a high IQ to understand Rick & Morty
>thread about Liv>some schmuck starts FOAZing over The ChezThen.Now.Forever.
trouble troublethat’s me
>>20306418No idea what half your post has to do with anything I said, but you seem to be genuinely more deranged about her than any fan she has
the absolute coldest fucking take known to man. it would make meltzer blush
>>20305248Like dang these guys don’t want anything new or innovative
>>20306196The problem with the Rhea Dom etc is that it applies to them as well. Rhea wouldn’t have been over without Liv and Dom, Dom wouldn’t have been over with JD and Rhea etc
>>20307795Rhea was over and Dom sent her down to where she is now, Dom was a shitter the worst wrestler on the roster including nxt and was saved by the judgement day
>>20307818The lesbian angle with Liv was the start of her being slightly over until she was doing the Dom Mami stuff and without Rhea Dom would’ve been a boring fat face
