How does /r9k/ feel about the Soviet Union?
NSA destabilizied it on purposeread the historygreat concept, great countryfucked up by stalin and later leaderslenin was goodtoday's age? demsoc probably the best.
>>82466324I used to wonder what it was like to be a peasant in the 6th century, after the fall of Rome, wnadering around the ruins of a more advanced society, realising nothing of its size or majesty may ever come again, and then I went to Eastern Europe and holy shit I got it.
>>82466363Wasn't Stalin the one who industrialized it? The issue is he was paranoid.
Its funny as fuck what happened to beria
>>82466433It was more than paranoia, he killed millions. And his cult of personality completely undermined the concept of the form of government he was leading and effectively made him worse than any king or capitalist crony.
>>82466447Well said. Thanks.
>>82466433>>82466447The thing about Stalin is that the idea for five year plans wasn't particularly associated with Stalin in the first place. It was put by both the left and centre wings of the party, which largely defined themselves in opposition to the NEP due to the NEP starting to stagnate and showing surprising drags in both industrialisation and food production (eg. the scissors crisis). Any viable leader not from the party right would probably have done it, but only Stalin really had the toxic combination of being discredited originally, somewhat illegitimate as a successor, and paranoid enough to have to murder nearly the entirety of the Old Bolsheviks to be able to sustain power.
My birthright, robbed from me. I will never forgive them.
>>82466324Wasn't there huge famines because of it and everyone was dirt poor?
>>82466324Started off with huge potential but Stalin fucked so much up. >>82466503The NEP was still better than the alternatives. Ultimately Stalin paid for industrialization via grain shipments... from the agriculture that had been ineffectively collectivized thus decreasing output and increasing starvationThey'd have had more grain to export without fear of famine, if they just stuck with the NEP policies, and a more gradual collectivization of agriculture that collectivized agriculture once it had been more industrialized and modernized would have been better than the more rapid approach
>>82467426Late NEP crises revealed structural issues with the NEP, see the scissors crisis where market realities caused both partial deindustrialisation from urban flight and hunger again, plus the thought that they could consistently grow the economy as a market-integrated economy right when the Great Depression was about to ruin every market economy globally is a very dubious line of thought. Ultimately the decision to skim as much surplus off agriculture as possible to invest into rapid expansion of capital goods, mechanised farmland and rollout of heavy industry, producing labour surplus which would be fed into heavy industry which would be then used to build up a consumer economy was the best choice available to the Soviets at the time. There's a particular strain of thought that the abandonment of the NEP came out of nowhere and was motivated by ideological purity which is demonstrably false if you read what was actually going on mid-late 1920s USSR, where the NEP managed to briefly achieve a resuscitation of the economy after War Communism and then performed disappointingly from thereafter. This is not to claim the five year plans were perfect, but the NEP had managed to discredit itself already.
>>82466324my parents lived in USSR and DDR. It was ass but they did some cool stuff. Tho I hate commies with passion.
>>82466324Didn't they murder 10s of millions of their own citizens?
>>82466324>How does /r9k/ feel about the Soviet Union?Evil; but evidently it kept the burgers, and globalist vermin, in check.The USSR's collapse, and the Western elites selling out to Red China's slave state, proved to be totally disastrous for Western workers.Globalism is a race to the bottom, and the road to slavery.
