what is r9ks ideal wife/husband? every last detail pls
>>82474769Progressive leftist feminist woman who makes no effort to perform femininity, wear makeup, shave, etc and doesn't expect me to perform masculine gender roles or beauty standards either. Academically gifted and curious about the world, likes reading about various different things and talking about various different things, not closed minded or provincial. Likes cats, doesn't want kids. Is free spirited and kind of a hippie, likes to go exploring and stuff, isn't some sort of suburban nimby who worries about property values or assuming random people going for a walk are murderers. Is cuddly and affectionate, but also fine without having sex because sex is conservative bullshit and is repulsive. Would enjoy reading with a romantic partner, taking turns reading to each other before bed, as well as stuff like discussing articles we find interesting and such.
>>824747691. Be a girl2. Love me
>>82474893just this yeah
>>82474769ideal wife for me, let's see...>biological woman>physically near me (nigh impossible)>physically affectionate>can either be chill and banter a lot or be emotional and kind when the time calls for it>will give me some space but won't leave me alone for too long either>will enjoy my company simply for being myself>open to experiment on things (clothing, places to visit, food, etc.)>honest to a fault, but still caringanything else is a bonus
>>82474769>ideal wifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTXDb_uA7uE
>>82474796yeah uh anon this all sounds like a giant larp on your endsome of that stuff like the reading to each other sounds sweet, but i sincerely do not believe that thats genuinely what you want as a man
>>82474893anyone who says they have no standards is lying. cmon anon, i know you have an idealized version of a wife in that noggin
>>82474893>>82474900Would you marry a 90yo woman who is incontinent and crippled?
>>82474977What's the larp? Why would I lie about this? Do you think that I'm pretending to be more left wing than I really am, in order to get approval from all the left leaning folks who dominate four chan dot net? Do you just think that all men want the trad gender roles ideal and that it's literally impossible for us to genuinely reject that shit? (Like the whole "actually no you have no idea what a natural woman looks like, it's literally impossible" rhetoric)
Stacy with a strapon
>>82474937 I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU WANNA SPEND YOUR LIFE WITH!!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEE STOP MEMEING
>someone i can call mommy>big tits>cooks for lots of delicious foods>shares my values That's it. I'm not asking for much.
>>82474769Tomboy/somewhat androgynous gooner who doesn't shave her armpits,Insanely high sex drive and need for physical touch,Somewhat nerdy, well-read and curious, good sense of humor, unironically "not like other girls" or people in generalCompliments me well and is emotionally intelligentSomewhat misanthropic but not an anti-social uncouth animal
>>82475003>Do you think that I'm pretending to be more left wing than I really amyeah>in order to get approval from all the left leaning folks who dominate four chan left leaning folks? dominating 4chan? have you gone mad?>Do you just think that all men want the trad gender roles ideal yes, its simply your nature>it's literally impossible for us to genuinely reject that shit?well, i mean, you can reject it genuinely and live that out all you want, but that still doesnt mean that thats the natural state of things. if you mean to ask me if men rejecting these roles are bitter, spiteful, and trying to fight their nature, then i would say yes.
someone that can understand me without trying, i wanna go on walks together and not be able to stop listening to the sound of her voice and the things she says
>>82475044Nah, you're just close-minded and retarded about men. I'm a man and I agree with a lot of what he said. The only parts that REALLY don't jive with me are the >sex is conservative bullshit and repulsiveand >doesn't want kidsI'm also not intrinsically against performing traditional gender roles, but I don't believe they should be an obligation either. It just matters what roles we're both naturally gravitated towards.
>>82475029what youre asking for isnt necessarily unrealistic to achieve, its just that i dont get the tomboy thing. do you dislike an overtly feminine woman? whats the reasoning behind this? im sure a lot of people are exposed to the unhealthy and toxic aspects of femininity in modern society, probably why most women try to fight themselves and their nature to be feminine
>>82474990I already have the most impossible standard, a woman who loves me.>>82474993Would she love me? No. So she's disqualified.
>just not a bitchIs high on the list but that is not realistic in any way so it comes down to mitigating that.The best thing is then a mousy voice so that at least she isn't capable of destroying the image of her as a woman in ones mind resulting in her being treated accordingly with one finally beating the fucking breaks off her.#2 is probably like>recognition of the economic and sociological reality of the presentand there really doesn't seem much in the way of giving them any kind of a "coming to jesus" moment on that, so you just kind of have to ignore that really egregious flaw.You can explain it to them and even repeat it back but there isn't really an internal dialog in them for like>The vast majority of guys in this country make under 6 figures and I sure as shit don't make that either>I should either support equality or the idea of men acting as providers, but I probably shouldn't do both at the same time because that is retarded selfish dumb bitch behaviorthen #3 is actually kind of the most important because without it there is no meaning>don't be fatIt isn't just like "not attractive" it is fairly universally UNattractive.There is no point in a relationship with anyone if looking at them makes you pretty viscerally disgusted.Nothing but the worst sub-human animals could even muster the desire to fuck one of those things.
>>82475044>left leaning folks? dominating 4chan? have you gone mad?That's the point. It would make no sense to PRETEND to be left wing in a place like this. If someone is saying that stuff, it's probably because they believe it>yes, its simply your nature...men rejecting these roles are bitter, spiteful, and trying to fight their natureYou realize that you are just parroting conservatism, right? That sort of Mary Harrington style Reactionary Feminism shit is embracing gender roles and traditionalism and rejecting the entire concept of equality, in a way that totally surrenders to the right. It's funny that that stuff has become popular in radical feminist circles in particular because real radical feminism, like the stuff from folks like Dworkin, rejects biological essentialism and traditional gender roles rather than embracing themWhy is it that as soon as a large chunk of men decide that feminists are actually right and that gender roles and tradition are bad, that a bunch of you decide that actually that's totally gross icky yada yada and that actually the true feminist approach is to embrace right wing ideas in some esoteric way that y'all consider a better mix than more conventional right wing ideas? Is equality and liberation from gender roles REALLY that fucking unbearable for you?
>>82475084i feel like you misunderstood what i was trying to say, and mistaking it for an anti individuality argument but anyways, that anon is truly larping or mentally unwell, a lot like how women dont want to have children because they cannot accept the fact that they were born women.
>>82475087>do you dislike an overtly feminine woman?Yeah, kinda. Although I guess it might depend on what you consider "overtly feminine". Like I'm not gonna be mad if she wears a dress or wants to put on a little makeup to go out or something, provided she's not making me late. >whats the reasoning behind this?Just not into it. I find it boring. >im sure a lot of people are exposed to the unhealthy and toxic aspects of femininity in modern societyYeah that might have something to do with it.
>>82475128There's nothing wrong with not having children. Women don't need to have kids and that's fine.
>>82475128>mistaking it for an anti individuality argumentWhy would that be a mistake to take it that way? You seemed to overtly say that men couldn't or shouldn't want this. That it was, in fact, "unnatural". >that anon is truly larping or mentally unwellWhy do you believe that? What about his post seems mentally unwell?
>>82475118>Is equality and liberation from gender roles REALLY that fucking unbearable for you?Haha we know the answer to that one my dude. Wouldn't wanna rock the gender boat too hard, they might lose all their pussy privilege, haha
>>82474769I'm not A Christian so marriage has nothing to do with me
>>82475106>just not a bitchIs high on the list but that is not realistic in any way so it comes down to mitigating that.The best thing is then a mousy voice so that at least she isn't capable of destroying the image of her as a woman in ones mind resulting in her being treated accordingly with one finally beating the fucking breaks off her.Holy shit this kike babble is too painful to read
>>82475118>It would make no sense to PRETEND to be left wing in a place like this.it actually makes a whole lot of sense, if you think about it>You realize that you are just parroting conservatism, right? That sort of Mary Harrington style Reactionary Feminism shit is embracing gender roles and traditionalism and rejecting the entire concept of equality, in a way that totally surrenders to the right.i dont know about all that stuff, im just saying what i know to be true. like, its only natural for men to desire a family and a lot of sex and to feel needed and meaningful. the same goes for women, too, but its just in different ways. it is what it is, you know? if you look at it from a different angle, men and women are spiritually equals, just biologically differing. >a large chunk of men decide that feminists are actually right and that gender roles and tradition are bad,im sorry? i think more young men in todays society vote conservative than women do. if you look up the statistics, they are quite different in that regard>actually the true feminist approach is to embrace right wing ideas in some esoteric way that y'all consider a better mix than more conventional right wing ideasnot sure where all of this came from, either. its not really a matter of left wing or right wing politics, its just about what works. it sounds simple and reductionistic to say, but its just the truth
>>82475209We'd literally all be better off without the gender roles though. While women get some benefits from certain parts of gender roles, they also get hurt a lot by other parts, and most of their good feelings for it are probably just some degree of Stockholm syndrome and trauma bonding. We'd all thrive more with a world without gender roles. But it seems like a lot of women would rather gain a sense of validation from the chads than accept that everyone, including non chads, are valid.
>>82475219Holy shite. Is this webm fucking real?
>>82474769existing (optional)alive (optional)
>>82475233Yes obviously. How have you not seen this yet?I'd apologise for flashing gore at you if you're not used to it... but if you're on this site, I'd imagine you are.
>>82475228>if you look at it from a different angle, men and women are spiritually equals, just biologically differing.lmao, yeah you're just on a new-age trad wife pipeline. More power to you if that's what you want, but just stop acting retarded and telling people who don't want that that they can't be real
>>82475167something has gone wrong with a society when people stop getting married early and having children, people are actually more unhappy than they were in the past too, you imagine you are strong independent women but a lifetime of brainwashing in a "free" society apparently is worse than living in the 1950s
>>82474769someone that starts nice and eventually gets more and more sadistic till i eventually break
>>82475231Oh yeah, I don't disagree with you, but ya know, try convincing women to do anything good for them when they could just get the immediate dopamine rush of patriarchal validation. God, I wish women deserved feminism.
>>82475233In the end, he leaned left
>>82475252 listen man, i know those videos of women posting themselves on tiktok, youtube shorts, xitter, and instagram reels, about the traditional christian blah blah blah wife ideals exists. like, i know where youre coming from. but thats just not what this is. what you want out of life might not be what works. or what is necessary.
>>82474769Personality->Dry humor, sarcastic and witty>Genuinely helpful and loving>Curious and adventurous>Socially Adept>Smart enough to know somewhat about my autistic fixations or willing to learn as I am the same for their interests >Affectionate to whatever degree so long as it is clear they're into mePhysical Attributes->Around 5'7-5-'9>Skinny to chubby, not morbidly obese>Preferably Asian or Black, Whites are acceptable but no Latinas>Former scene girl- I can take tattoos and piercings, just no nose or lip rings
>>82475228>if you look at it from a different angle, men and women are spiritually equals, just biologically differingThis is a fallacy, assuming that just because something is currently the norm, that it is biologically engrained and natural. The reality is that gender roles are social constructs, men and women aren't all that different at all, especially mentally, with there being more diversity within each gender vs the average differences between the genders (which can be still due to social constructs anyway)If you want to look into the actual science on this stuff (rather than the common sense nonsense), I suggest you grab Cordelia Fine's "Delusions of Gender" from lib gen or wherever you pirate ebooks. It's an interesting read >not sure where all of this came from, either. its not really a matter of left wing or right wing politics, its just about what worksThe idea that traditional gender roles is the only thing that works is building block right wing politics even if you don't want to identify it as such I just genuinely have left wing values and hate gender roles and tradition. It's not denial of my inherent nature. It's an embrace of the full possibilities of being a person, how human nature isn't nearly as biologically determinalist as the right and their allies assume. It's an embrace of who I am. I just never felt any connection to gender roles shit. Not gonna pretend otherwise just because that's what many people want
>>82475257>people are actually more unhappy than they were in the past tooCan be all sorts of other reasons other than "they aren't doing trad shit and having kids">you imagine you are strong independent womenI'm a man lol
>>82475290It sure seemed like you were about to bring up the divine feminine or something. Apologies if that's not you, but you're still retarded for thinking men can't want >>82474796
>>82475233>@grok is this real??!NOT ORIGINAL? BRUH
>>82475295>Preferably Asian or Black, Whites are acceptable but no LatinasFucking BASED alert, this mf knows his shit
>>82474769>roughly my height 5'7-5'9>athletic>nerdy>above average intelligence>likes a more traditional art/music>likes video games>at least a bachelor's degree in a respectable discipline (to me)>sarcastic and edgy humour>very sweet to me>doesn't really care about what other people think about her for the most part>determined>open-minded>no tattoos and piercings>doesn't smoke or do any drugs>moderate drinker>mostly wants a simple life>agnostic or spiritual>good skin quality
