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>>82617218

Great screenshot, OP. It's a very apt explanation for loserdom that can be seen even in animals like chimpanzees. The limbic system is truly a powerful control mechanism within the human brain, and it is heavily shaped by circumstances outside of your control.

>>82617252
Mustard... brother...

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>>82617218
>neural pathways or whatever
at least schizos and pseuds over here make an attempt at pretending to have some credibility

>>82617218
I see it more as social suppression, but I also think that the "losers" in this case have a subconscious tension to gain dominance that, with the right provocation, can explode violently. In a unified political system, this could be revolution; without it, a mass shooting. In other words, the will to power is merely suppressed and hidden in the subconscious mind, waiting for an opportunity to violent burst forth.

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>>82617218
Well, I grew into a manlet. That alone makes things feel pointless. I have an inferiority complex because of it.

>>82617290
how short are you anon, be honest

>>82617290
Being a manlet isn't enough. Napoleon complex and whatnot.
Search your memories anon, there must be a more concrete event, something there in your past that truly cemented you in your current downward spiral.

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>>82617267

St. Chimpcel vs Chad Chimpus Maximus.

>>82617310
5'3. It could be worse I admit, but it isn't ideal at all.

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>>82617218
I was neglected a lot growing up and then isolated from the rest of the world both in homeschool and then later for the first few years of adulthood in COVID. That time there and my numerous failed attempts to get out or to convince my family that I need to leave the house and make friends I feel fried my brain and my view on success and ambition. Sometimes you do the right thing and you will still fail through no fault of your own.

Like the post I stopped caring about most stuff, I became a NEET for a while before joining the army. Even now I really dont care about anything. Im more wrapped up with politics and the way society is decaying than actually doing something, Im very mentally ill and I feel like my adolescence was stolen from me, it all feels pointless

>>82617327
yes, tard. he was made fun of for being a manlet, are you breaking global rule #2, retard

>>82617334
not a chance you're 5'3

>>82617218
That people see me more as a walking disease than a human even when masking

>>82617252
Yeah, why aren't all chimps in a troop alphas? I bet that would work real well evolutionarily. Hmm just a mystery I suppose, let's blame incels for society constantly actively fucking them

>>82617337
Non-manlets do not understand. They will never understand.
>>82617344
I have no reason to lie.

>>82617370
i believe you, mostly. what race?

>>82617387
I am mixed. I blame it for my height, my mom is very short.

It's called social defeat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_defeat
It lines up too well to not apply to some degree in humans.

>>82617218
society does not facilitate exceptionalism
one is not compelled to succeed in an environment full of people you hate and that hate you
why develop a skill to contribute to a collective that will not offer you something back in kind

>>82617485
lmfao, doesn't even exist. anything else, woman?

>>82617485
Yeah, but this faggot species straight from Satan's butthole believes itself so special they'll claim this, lordosis, coolidge effect, and telegony have nothing to do with humans either. You're just crazy bro!

>>82617488
Well you owe them for being such a chud, dont you know~

>>82617290
Are you brown anon, be honest

>>82617218
>What happened in your adolescence to make you this way?
I was abused as a kid.

Im ambitious to the point i burn every bridge i walk across
Life is lonley because of my pathological need to chase something that isn't real

>>82617218
It's not from defeat
It's from winning. Succeeding. Being smart, fit, strong, skilled, and gaining absolutely nothing for any of it anyway.
It's not that losing hurts too much to try again
It's from winning, and expecting it to go the same qay as when you saw others win, but that doesn't happen
Noone celebrates
Noone congratulates
No reward, no medal, no pat on the back, certainly no recognition or respect to be gained
It's from being good at your job and never getting paid above minimum wage
It's from being an exemplary husband and being divorce raped anyway
It's from being a lifelong respector of others while never being respected in return
Sooner or later, it stops hurting, because the part that used to hurt has died
It's quite impressive how deep the scars go; I can't even get drunk or stoned anymore, I just get nauseous or anxious.
The worst part is, you don't even miss it, you're too burned out to even feel sorry for yourself, so now that you've been beaten so low you are physically unable to help yourself, noone else will either
And if you try to complain?
>men built society so men have it easy, it must be your fault
Fuck this world

>>82617218
Ambition dies as you start to realize your limits

>>82617218
This is insanely fucking retarded and doesn't apply to life at all. Some people will practically have their feet kicked out from underneath them and a knee to the neck if they don't know their place.

>>82617218
I can't remember there being one decisive thing. I just generally experienced that effort and good, sincere work often resulted in failure and humiliation while I at the same time was rewarded when I did nothing or worse than nothing. Study hard, put my all into an assignment? D-. Laze around instead? Straight A's. Put myself out there socially, work on myself and try to be friendly? Weirdo loser creep, driven to near suicide. Be an antisocial faggot, insulting people and be generally lame? Cool aloof genius, people develop crushes and ask to hang out. Be frugal? Struggle for the basics, mocked for selfishness, nothing to look forward to in life. Spend it all on trash? Get cash injections from state and family, be seen as healthily living life, always have pleasures and comforts available. Etc etc etc etc.

What was that verse, again? The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor yet favour to men of skill. Yeah, that's really how it is. Vanitas vanitatum. Once you realize this on a deep, personal level, why would you care about life anymore? If you know, please tell me, because the apathy is crippling.

>>82618740
Asian/White mix so you be the judge.

>>82619423
The hapa curse

>>82617218
I was raised by my grandmother, and she forced me to be sheltered until she died shortly before I turned 18; I wasn't allowed to play outside, I wasn't allowed to make friends or get a girlfriend, I was never allowed to go anywhere that wasn't school, I was never allowed to get a bike, skateboard or my driver's license, etc. I literally did nothing but go to school and then come home and lay in bed until the next day. Now at 24 I go to work and then come home and lay in bed until the next day.

nothing, i was always like this even when i was a child, my parents told me that when i was 3 i just played quietly with my toys, never made a rant, never went around breaking things. I never had this "child curioisty" or that desire the kids typically have for the world, i just enjoyed my toys and spending time with my friends.
I never had goals or ambitions and I don't have them now.

>>82617218
what exactly is there to win? Oh boy I can earn a little bit more working for shelekstein over silverstein. I can get a wife who will resent me forever. Have kids that will get taken away once that resentment reaches its breaking point. Or I can go out and get drunk every night and flail my body around with a bunch of other drunks. Travel around and see diversity I already see every day. None of this motivates me to want to do anything. There's no success in it for me.

>>82617218
>people who feel like they can change their life for the better are more likely to do so
who would have known

>>82617485
>It has been proposed that animal models of social conflict may be useful for studying a number of mental disorders, including major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, drug abuse, aggressive psychopathologies, eating disorders and schizophrenia.

>Bullying has interesting parallels with animal models of social defeat, the bully being equivalent to the dominant animal and the victim the subordinate one. Similarly at stake are possession of and access to resources, social position in the group through in-group prestige, and the potential consequential lack of access to mates, including for socio-sexual behaviors like copulation. Human victims typically experience symptoms like low self-esteem (due to low regard by the group), feelings of depression (due to unworthiness of efforts), social withdrawal (reduced investments in the social environment), anxiety (due to a threatening environment), and they can also be shown to experience a plethora of physiological effects such as increased corticosterone levels, and a shift towards sympathetic balance in the autonomic nervous system.

>>82618843

Good perspective, anon.

I've been successful in all other aspects of life, career (something quite unique and creative but now earn good money in faang as an engineer), well educated (Berkeley grad), solid interests/hobbies (blue collarish ones too, not just nerd stuff), but in the end it's just a grind that no one appreciates, just de facto expects, because I'm short (and ugly/otherwise undesirable).

I was basically destined to grind for society to move forward while Chade was destined to impregnate PTP.

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>>82617218
realized that i could not be a girl, and then everything was just dull
but you could argue that doesn't count, so i don't really have much, i was decently good at all the things i did, school, extracurriculars, whatever, never ended up doing anything i actually wanted to do so i just never learned to actually put effort in, people don't expect much from others most of the time, and i had no reason to expect more from myself
i think it's something you might be able to recover from, but you need to really want something
also got a legendary captcha

Im a man with BPD and I have never understood the feeling of competitiveness. I feel nothing at all when I win unless it grants me some kind of security. To simply beat someone in a contest of skill does nothing for me and I feel the same way if I lose.

>>82617218
Realizing you are non chad is said defeat

I remember I didn't want to learn to ride a bike and my dad making me do it. Guess I've just always been this way

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>>82618843
/thread

It doesn't matter whether you win or lose, accomplish something brilliant and Chad will just plagiarize it because of his social standing. Protest and he will act like you're the bad guy for getting angry or acting weird trying to argue your case and all the n*rmies will take his side. Even if you manage to prove your point he will still be socially accepted and there the next day to plagiarize and steal from you again, and again and again.. There are no morals among n*rmies, only the social pecking order. If you are low down on it any form of mistreatment is justified in their minds, they think being abnormal makes you a bad person and you deserve it.

Unless there are strong systems in place to give credit where it's due it is basically pointless, which is like 95% of the time. So instead of playing their stupid games we go off and study for the exams or focus on our performance so we are judged by that metric. This is the world autists thrive in, the problem is getting there is a hurdle. Capitalism is a double edged sword like this. 10 years later Chad can be your boss, or you can be the sole owner of a small business and not have to put up with that shit, but it is difficult for normies to start a successful business to begin with and more so for an autist who needs to "hustle" just to compete. Once there though we go full into it as we do with our autistic hobbies.

>>82617218
>social interaction
>it goes well: feel nothing
>it goes wrong: humiliated, day ruined, week ruined, confidence shattered, want to disappear forever.
>either go back to step 1 or give up
it's basic math.

>>82617329
why does this chimp look like he says youngblood

>>82620313
>anons discover socialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmE3NfB_HhE
Babies are so fucking vulnerable now consider how retarded most people are. Chads have caring mothers with lots of friends, betas were neglected for mommy's hobbies
I know I was neglected. I tried as a baby for interaction and got nothing, nothing, nothing, a lot. And it's a wound

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>>82617218
My best friend killed himself and I was 15, I had no one else. I'm 18, and I still have no one else. I'm either God's strongest warrior or he just hates me

>>82617344
NTA, I'm 5'4, we're real, maybe we're too tiny to be noticed by you.

My childhood was just humiliation and non stop defeats while being bad at everything. I was constantly reminded how bad I was a sports, school, and anything I tried. No one pushed me to be exceptional and I numbed myself to loss and being a loser, so I never desired to win.

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>why aren't you trying to win
there's nothing to win

>>82621262
>>82620313
>>82618843
this, all this, there is nothing to be won
why work the field of effort when the only reward is at the throne of lies?

>>82618843
go somewhere else you woman

Just cowardice for me. Never need to feel that agonizing realization at every decision when I make no decisions.

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My entire existence has been characterized by inferiority since the day I was born. Raised by mentally ill former addict NEET parents, mentally ill from a young age, noticeably smaller than my peers at all stages of life due to malnutrition, unfairly mistreated by teachers and family, completely hated/ignored by the opposite sex, etc. After a certain point, being ambitious or optimistic requires nothing short of pure unfiltered delusion.

>>82621057
>Parents tell me I was quiet and never cried as a baby
>Anon you were so easy going as a child!
>Grow up to be an emotionally stunted NEET who can't form relationships with zero drive for success.
Perhaps there's a correlation...

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>>82617218
>do thing parents tell me to do that'll supposedly make me happy in teenage years and young adulthood
>it doesn't
>repeat until emotional death and terminal wagieness

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>>82617218
in order to succeed you have to be evil or sell your soul

no can do chief, I rather be a loser with an intact soul and clean conscious

>>82621764
>succeed
that pic is an example of simple spite

>>82621683
Fucking this, listened to my parents and elders because you'd think they know better.
Listening to them has done so much irreparable psychic damage, and now I'll never leave their basement.
Get fucked.

>>82617218
Baitpost but I'll bite, just wanna vent
>Why aren't you ambitious?
Because I found out that doing good in life doesn't necessarily mean you get a reward, it means people expect you to do good all the time now. Sure, there's probably a little reward here and there, little moments of victory but it's like cooking a meal. You learn the recipe, you prep the ingredients, you cook the meal, you wait it out if it's a slow-cooked meal, and all of that is what, about an hour? hour thirty? And you eat for like 30 minutes tops. And you do it all over again.
>What happened in your adolescence to make you this way?
Lots of things. I just wanna vent, I don't wanna traumadump but let's just say I'm not even 30 yet but I've lived like I'm well past my 60's. Like, those so-called "milestones" that people have in their mid-40's and above? I've had those already
>Healthy men feel the joy of victory and the shame of defeat very strongly, why don't you?
I've felt those too, and again it goes back to the ambition/drive analogy
>Do thing good = rewarded
>Do thing bad = punished
But it's like, for me at least
>Do thing good = do more thing
>Do thing bad = no one wants you to do more thing

I'm at that point in life where no matter how many "good" I do, the universe seems out to get me and gives me more opportunity to do "good" at the cost of my sanity
I do a lot of "bad" things to balance it out, to get my sanity back, because genuinely speaking from the heart, I'm way past my limit.
Weaker men would fail in my shoes.

>>82617218
Healthy men humiliates and fight each other to feel good. I am going to stay away from that shit.

No one ever cared if I succeeded at something. Not as a child and not now. If I taught myself an instrument or wrote a song it was "yeah, whatever. Who cares?" If my team won a baseball game it was "yeah, whatever. Who cares?" If I got an A at a test it was "yeah, whatever. Who cares?" And I stopped caring too.

>>82617218
This is all just projection. None of the things this dude says are grounded in reality, this is just the thinking of somebody who thinks they understand everything going on around them. Society as a whole is not responsible for everything I have, accomplished, etc, its the generosity of a few. I am so tired of this collectivism horse shit when its convenient to make your point.

I read most peoples responses to this and I'm still gonna fuckin tell you all taxes are theft

>>82621919
worse than theft, extortion

>>82617218
at some point you just lose enough to become jaded and simply stop caring

>>82621971
worse than extortion, worse than slavery. It's literal prison. If you have nothing and aspire to nothing - prison awaits.

>>82618843
Based. I experienced a large financial success and a few pointless nerd successes in life now I feel like being ambitious is complete cope for miserable normies. I think most people want to chase some big exciting success because they think it will change the way they feel. It feels good in the moment then you realize it's ultimately meaningless. I embrace my loser nature after my success. I really feel like nothing is worth doing.

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>>82617218
>meet girl
>like girl
>talk to girl
>get to know girl
>find a suitable moment to pop the question
>girl rejects me
>...
>meet girl
>like girl
>talk to girl
>get to know girl
>find a suitable moment to pop the question
>girl rejects me
>...
>meet girl
>like girl
>talk to girl
>get to know girl
>find a suitable moment to pop the question
>girl rejects me
>...
>meet girl
>I have a functioning brain that can recognize patterns
>talk to girl
>get to know girl
>assume I'm in the friendzone off-rip
>wait for girl to show any signs of attraction
>...
>girl shows zero signs of being attracted to me for months
"Loser" and "unambitious" are just the words you use to defend your pride, lest you have to come to terms with the fact that you didn't earn any of the things you think you "won" or "earned"

>>82617218
I barely feel anything.

>>82622474
This, it becomes less about flying higher, and more about trying to stay afloat.

>>82617218
my brother is like that. he's 34 and never got a driver license. whenever you recommend he learns how to drive he just shuts down. it's like he's terribly afraid of failure or even the stress of trying to succeed at something. he just ignores all his problems like he's mentally incapable of dealing with them at all, and if you try to force him he'll just shut down and shut you out. at least he has a job but for years he was only working 20 hours a week, earning just barely enough to survive with absolutely no ambition or no drive to improve his station in life. just stagnant with his 400 pound ugly braphog girlfriend. I haven't spoken to him in almost 2 years after he blocked me because I sent him the fat gf meme.

>>82617218
>its your fault if you fail
Im surprised such far right propaganda is allowed on reddit
What happened to muh material conditions and shit ?

>>82622864
they're talking about men, and likely white men. ie bad people who they won't apply their alleged morals to. accountability for thee but not for me

in any case i find it makes much more sense to see redditors as liberal rather than left

>>82622956
>in any case i find it makes much more sense to see redditors as liberal rather than left
True.
Im an incel and im far left, Marxist-Rodgerist specifically.
And i hate these fake leftists who repeat boomer nonsense like "pull yourself by the bootstraps"

>>82617218
Losing feels infinitely worse than winning feels good

>>82617218
your reward of ambition is getting a job where you do a ton of work so someone who doesn't/ can't do any work can get money from your work

>>82621815
>>Do thing good = do more thing
>>Do thing bad = no one wants you to do more thing

I bet you work in an office just like me lol because I think exactly like this.

I tried being unambitious but it turned out to be more effort than actually trying, if that makes sense. It's always felt like the world wanted me to fill a certain role. I had to rise to fill that hole or I'd be destroyed, it was that simple. I didn't really have to "win" or "fight" anyone or anything. I just got up and did whatever made sense at the time and now I'm in a pretty good place. People respect me. But the real victory was over myself. The pathetic weak version of myself that wanted to get high and rot in bed.

For what it's worth, I got into a fight aged about 9 and got my ass kicked pretty badly. I'm not sorry I got in the fight. I learned a lot of humility and it was the right thing to do in those circumstances.

>>82617218
What is out there worth accomplishing? I want to enjoy my life, not slave away for a boss or an immaterial goal. Truth is, life ha sno meaning, we're just here to enjoy it while it lasts

>>82617218
Misaligned incentives

>mog everyone academically
hated for it
>get decent job
have to carry everyone else while useless people make more than me
>Do eveything right and get fucked over in relationships
Fuck that then
>Be fine upstanding citizen
politically disenfranchised.

Geee what's the problem here?

>>82617218
I'm in med school, does that count as ambitious enough for you?

>>82621057
They can't even form a single responsible thought when they become mothers for Christ sake

I have just always been worse than other people. Competition is pain. It just reinforces what i have known since I could form memories but didn't know how to articulate. It still hurts every time I am reminded though.

>>82617218
People who have low self esteem faced a loss. Yeah?

>>82617218
Its usually not one singular defeat it's a long long list of cumulative defeats which trains them not to try because trying = failure = pain. This so called theory has been known about for a while now and is more accurately called "Learned Helplessness". Wikipedia it of you want to actually know what its about instead of listening to redditors wax philosophical about it.

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>>82618843
Based and truth pilled
I took a lot of hits in life, but the time I devoted years of work and succeeded at what I wanted, only to watch some jackass boss three-steps-removed destroy it all flippantly and then told my others to get over it when I got pissed, just killed my drive. Fuck it.

>>82617337
Was he made fun of, or just ignored? I knew some short fucks back in school that were always seen as "that guy" because of their height.

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>>82618843
This. I got jacked as fuck and I'm working hard at uni and my job. If I don't get a 16-17 year old virgin waifu within the next 5 years for it as compensation, I'm gonna go insane

>>82623644
But doctors are know nothing retards

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>>82617218
I am ambitious as far as bettering myself and securing my own independence goes. During covid I still worked my ass off despite numerous setbacks and dealing with deep personal/family issues that followed me my whole life up to that point, some of which I still deal with to this day. Where and who I am now is practically unrecognizable from even just a few years ago. But if you mean ambitious in a wider change/cutthroat ascender sense, I just became embittered over how I alone would not be able to bring any major change to things, and swallowed the bitter truth that the vast majority are content to be face first in the slop troughs. Many are just apathetic as shit and wont bother to change if there is no direct and immediate reason to do so, and even then. Now I am simply working on getting the professional side of life just to the point where I can more easily focus on things and people I actually give a shit about and bring me satisfaction. Would rather be a rancher out west than some corporate ass in NYC or some shit. There comes a point where the obsession with money traps you in a bubble and kicks you from right under with everything else. Obviously money has uses and its better to be comfortably wealthy than a broke fuck in some moldy apartment or trailer, but to me thats all it ever was, just a means to an end and not the end itself. Winning feels good, but thats just a short term high in a longer term life. Call it cope but thats how I am, I want as little to do with the wider rat race as possible because I saw how retarded and meaningless it is.
>>82619775
I think it also reinforces social behaviors to a point too, not to sound like a hardass but when I was bullied as a kid I eventually snapped and shot straight back, even became a bully myself for a bit. If anything it just made me realize the value of setting your own boundaries and not being afraid of conflict, not to say you should chase it everywhere.

>>82621683
>>82621801
What were those things?
>>82621764
Hope that immigrant got sent to a center.

>>82625346
If you allow other people to control something important in your life you are in grave peril. You have to become an owner not an employee even if it is more expensive or difficult or perplexing, work at it, develop the skills, get the information you need, learn what to do, it is worth it just for the peace of mind.

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>>82617218
I've had depression since like 14-15.
I have zero interests or hobbies as a result (playing video games is not a hobby), if anything catches my interest it's always shallow and for a brief amount of time.
The only thing I managed to stick with was learning Japanese, and even then I had to force myself, and have been doing it half-assed on/off for more than 15 years now, and I am nowhere near being fluent, which is just laughable.

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>>82622715
>jealous faggot wishes he had his brother's slampig

>>82617218
do we really need to do a science experiment to figure out that when all somebody experiences is failure they dont want to try any more

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>>82617218
>>82617485
The Drowning Rat experiment shows the opposite scenario too. When a person experiences even a tiny success, he is willing to push himself far beyond what his normal capabilities.
Completely unironically this is why having sex as a teenager is so fundamentally critical to success in life. There are millions of men out there who will ride that high the rest of their life, and spend the next 60 years attempting to replicate that one feeling of success.

>>82617218
Well, if that were true, why am I super competitive in videogames?
Checkmate.

>>82618843
This anon gets it.
It's from realizing winning only means people just expect more from you.
It's from realizing winning just means people hate you for being 'better' then them, no matter how humble you are.
The nail that stands out gets pounded down.

>>82620313
Also this.
You can win everything and still be rejected just for being different, so why bother trying?
Except this anon forgets that merit and ability to do a job mean nothing in work, only social standing, so there is no winning there either. You could be the best at what you do and a normalfaggot will be promoted instead because they like him better. You could start a business and it will fail not because you're bad at the job or bad at running a business, but because normalfaggots get mad about the way you stand.
Why fucking bother?

>>82627773
Big ePenis.

>>82617218
I don't think it was a single event for me. I crushed on a few different girls between 11-14 years old and all of them rejected me, mostly to my face, but one of them started crying when she found out I liked her.

>>82617218
>Why don't you want to do anything
>We only told you it's okay to give up, literally every time at the first opportunity
>And that we don't care at all what you accomplish in life, if anything
>And only gave horrible life advice, on purpose, because it was funny
>And talked about miserable bullshit like divorce and child custody almost every day of your life
>
>Why are you being mean? :(

Most people are ambitious, they just know for whatever reason those things aren't happening with the effort they are willing to put. They would need some help like winning a lottery if they wanted to get rich, or break their moral code, like becoming a cocksucker at work to get that important role. This happens to absolutely everyone, and that's the entire reason we become more mellow after a good old mid life crisis, we just accept things as they are and learn to be happy with whatever we managed to achieve.

The people that remain ambitious aren't healthy at all, they are more the kind that suffers meltdowns or ends up roping after achieving what they wanted and realizing what they neglected in the process. As for the modern online "loser", like a lot of other things it's a product of pornography. From the unrealistic or criminal fetishes to the it's not your fault mental masturbation that you also see on politics. Incels are simply extremely dishonest with themselves so they have to lock up from the world in a vain attempt to keep the delusions going. It takes them nowhere obviously

>>82617218
No reason to be ambitious. See my grandfather was a miner, not becuase it was fun, but because through his hard work in a dangerous industry he could have a wife and kids, was a respected member of society, etc.

Now there is no society, and dating has no rewards at all. Sex can be substituted with masturbation, women didn't give me support and help me be better when I was younger, they didn't invest in me or my future. Now with dating, they also haven't really saved anything for me that makes me feel special. So with no family I have no real future, I feel alone whatever I do, get no respect whatever I do and can simply masturbate instead of have sex. If I can pay my bills and afford my hobbies, why do anything more than the minimum to reach that?
Women like ambition, but they don't give me a reason to be ambitious when they gave their best years to a guy who only had to look attractive, his "ambition" was never a factor.

>>82617218
Ambition is just a grift of Hustle Culture so you buy their slop content and give them narcissistic supply. As the average person theres literally nothing to strive for anymore. Wageslaving doesn't even get you a house anymore and women are awful, most fat/ugly and mentally ill. Unless you're lucky enough to have some niche like music/sports/art or nepotism business that you can actually tolerate there's no reason to give a fuck in this society about anything but your health. Most men are "mentally fine" their circumstances just suck and they're having a normal sane reaction to this dystopia. Hyper ambitious men are mentally retarded and chasing validation because mommy and daddy didn't tell them they loved them enough.

>>82617218
Every now and then I feel that fleeting sense of motivation to change my life and then it slips away as quick as it came. I need to be more disciplined than ambitious me thinks

Fail enough and you stop seeing success as a possible outcome.

>>82618843
Well put anon. I dont know exactly what it is about some people that makes them "repulsive" to normgroids, you can be smart, fit, socially skilled and neurotypical, good loking even, etc all that and still give them "the ick". I think it is simply having no strong group belonging, association or relationships, no family, parents or siblings waiting and cheering on you. People can smell this, somehow. If this goes on for too long, you alienate (involuntarily, just in case it needed to be said) yourself from humanity. You have no choice here really. No one took you in, no one was there for you when you needed company the most. So you either retreated, or pushed through but either way it was all in vain. The individual emotional scars are bad enough as they are, but being eventually ganged up by faggots, cowards and retards emboldened by numbers is even worse.

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that pic might be the smartest reddit post i've ever read
i don't want to admit defeat or anything, but the few times i do 'win' i barely feel it anymore, i can see why guys just fall into mediocrity

>>82617252
I've never related more to a monkey before now.

>>82627761
How come it's bad if serial killers torture animals during childhood, but when scientists do it to mice and call it an "experiment"... it's accepted by n*rmies?

It wasn't just in adolescence. I was born early, and that led to several crises before I was even a week old. Almost died several times. But I wasn't forming consciously-accessible memory, so maybe we can handwave that.

Then another near death at age 4.
Again at age 11/12.

Bullied in middle school. Later, got into sports to boost my self confidence. Had complications from early birth that made it hard. I still found it fulfilling, but I was never, ever as good as my friends.

Psychological abuse from my parents, I think because they were tired of dealing with my medical issues. My father never wanted a child anyway.

Anyway, yeah, I guess that image is true. I don't really feel shame, per se, just annoyance and.. like, "oh, of course" when someone is rude or cruel or I experience loss or defeat. And victory feels good for maybe a few minutes, then I feel nothing. That redditor can go ahead and rub it in, I'm sure that'll help.

>>82629730
Because they write a proper thesis, record the process then write conclusions in ways that are then easily accessible and following writing formulas that then allow others to use this research so that it has to be performed only once.
Sociopaths that just torture animals at best did it our of idle curiosity and didn't bother to check if someone performed similar research, they do not do it to answer a specific thought out question then share it for others ro use as a basis for their own research.

>>82628938
>women didn't give me support and help me be better when I was younger, they didn't invest in me or my future
Bait use to be believable

>>82617290
Dwarfmaxx

Get strong swing hammers build shit take nobody's shit and drink.

>>82617218
>healthy men feel the shame of defeat very strongly
So as a result of past embarrassments, they avoid any behavior which has a significant risk of failure (like asking a supermarket checkout girl out on a date). This is completely logical behavior.

>>82629730
Are you retarded?
That's a rhetorical question.

>>82617218
"Healthy" men need those wild mood swings to not go crazy, because they're too weak to sit still. Women fall for that shit because they live vicariously through those men for stimulation. It's all a big perversion.

>>82617218
I realized that ambition either necessitates hard work which I don't feel like doing, or stepping over other people, which I also don't want to do, since I'm not evil.

>>82629730
>autist cannot tell the difference between intentions and goals.

How come we give drunk drivers less harsh sentences than serial killers?

You fucking idiot.

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>>82617218
I think every last person on the planet has some sort of mental malady be they stupid, sociopathic, socially defeated, or whatever. Some of these maladies are treatable, some aren't. I used to vibe hard with being socially defeated, learned helplessness, schizoid personality disorder. Whatever your own malady is your only real option is to do the best with what you have, anything else just leads to more suffering. I wake up every day grateful I can make any meager strivings at all. It's served me better than waking up every day and choosing dread and despair. I'm the captain of my own ship regardless of how rickety or broken down it might be, or if other people have nicer ships, or wind is unfavorable. I'll make it to port or die trying, and if I die I can rest easy knowing at least I tried, for myself and the people around me I care about.

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>>82627972
>but one of them started crying when she found out I liked her.
Did you look like a troll or a gremlin?

>>82631221
No, I was pretty average looking, kinda nerdy though.

I actually remember the exact moment when I was 17 and realized that I wasn't that guy and it wasn't happening for me. Incidentally that's when I started posting on /r9k/. It's been over 10 years now and I've thought about killing myself every single day.

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>>82628753
getting the visions again?

>>82631595
Never taking my meds again
I'm flushing them dowm the toilet and there's nothing you can do to stop me

>>82631037
you do not have the brain damage described in the op, then

>>82630026
Retard they're just doing their own experiment, both are equal you're just cattle

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>>82617218
Being pampered and oveprotected by a single mom does this too. If you do not attain a model for chad masculinitty from a trve male, you will be doomed for an eternity consisting of being online, video games and anime.

You do not choose the trvecel life, it chooses you.

>>82617218
Homeschooling until I was in college messed me up.
Nothing I did mattered. I didn't have dreams to pursue. All I wanted was to interact with people my own age and be normal, but realizing I never had a choice in the matter broke me mentally.
I could neither win or lose at anything in life, everything was already decided for me.

>>82617218
Never had any ambitions. Getting anything done or winning/losing doesn't give me any emotions just a "okay that is done, what is next" thoughts

>>82632791
If I had a homeschool kid I'd let them do part time in school from age 14 and then full time for 17-18

mandatory school sports + autism coordination will prime you to feel like you can only ever lose at everything.
If they had had art or logic competitions instead, I might have been mentally healthy.

>>82632989
Problem is, that's too reasonable anon. There are parents who homeschool their children for legitimate reasons, but also ones who do it for bullshit reasons as well.
There are overly religious parents who are so worried about drugs and sex, they would rather cut their kids off from all social interaction than risk them being a normal teen.

>>82633018
You know now that you mention it, it was probably a huge factor in never ever wanting to compete and just prefering to be left alone instead.
>Several times a week get forced into a team contest where you're useless no matter how much you try
>Everyone very clearly doesn't want you there even more than usual
>Every single time you fuck up and it will be often everyone will yell at you and tell you how much they despise you
I feel like it explains part of my brain damage, since why would I ever want to try when for my entire upbringing I was forced into participating in contets I had no way of winning then actively bullied for daring to participate despite having no choice.
If all you get from competing is guaranteed loss, pain and humiliation with it never getting better then what is even the point?

>>82632751
Thats a great image. Success, companionship, e tc does really highlight the absence of it, and the duration of that absence. I unironically looped back around and essentially want to be a hermit, die with an unmarked grave and have no funeral. I just can't connect with humanity at this point.

>>82631915
It always blows me away that when people hear they can overcome, they get defensive and argue in defense of problems they don't want to have. But then I used to be the same way too, and I had a harder life and probably more brain damage than OP.

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>>82633079
I think this was written by an NPC.
>um are you sad? NEVER do anything to be not sad and dont try because youre 22
Romanticizing your misery and regret and spending all your time worried that IT'S LE OVER is 100x worse than hitting some milestone late in life and deciding give up on everything forever because a girl didn't touch your peepee at 17

>>82633242
Nah you clearly don't ge tit, maybe you're like 22 or some shit. I fundamentally do not relate to my peers, they lived entirely different lives and even if you date the woman you date will be xperienced, to her it will be unremarkable un not special, to a guy who always struggled a relationship and everything else would actually be special, it would be novel. It's not romanticizing success, it's the fact that what should be a shared romantic experience, are romantic and special for you, and completely forgetable by someone who has done it all before with multiple people. You care a lot while they don't even think about it. Thats what causes the sting. That and the inability to relate to others, which is I guess the same thing jsut more broadly applied.

>>82633284
I'm going to assume you're a fat ugly disgusting unlikeable goblin likes of which the world has never and there is NO hope of anyone ever liking you because how unrelatable you are.

Your problem was is and forever will be insoluble so there's nothing you can do and no reason to dwell on it any more than being upset you can't fly or living in marvelslop fantasy world. Give up on socializing and do something else with you time that gives you fulfillment and makes the world around you better. And maybe, just maybe, you'll find out your problems are insoluble and life isn't a swirling hell vortex when you don't spend your free time and energy commiserating about it.

Or just keep arguing in defense of problems you don't want to have and spend the little existential capital you have on how miserable you are. Effort and attitude are the only levers we to pull.

>>82625666
Is that so? Do tell me who isn't a "know nothing retard" if that's the case.

>>82633314
>Give up on socializing and do something else with you time that gives you fulfillment and makes the world around you better.
Already working on that, nice assumption. I comment on here occassionally, but I already adapted since I can't have a romantic life I'm aiming for something meanignful and am looking at a career change (including having to go to college at a later age) just to make that happen. If you think of it by reading someones post, chances are they already thought of it. My post wasn't life is hell, it's about how empty the romantic part is and how I don't see that ever changing. It's not and never was about totally giving up on life entirely. Just picking battles, romantic effort vs yield isn't worth it for a bunch of us, doesn't mean I can't be bitter about that.

>>82633341
>Already working on that, nice assumption.
Okay, I'm glad and applaud you decision.
>doesn't mean I can't be bitter about that.
Correct.

Just need to work on the not dwelling on nobody wants to touch my peepee part so people around you on 4chan don't get demoralized over a problem they may be able to solve. You don't want to demoralize people, right?

>>82633355
It's not about having my dick touched, I actually hate how the main element of dating struggles is physical, not the emotional struggles you get from lving most your life alone.
As for demoralization, I don't give a shit. I don't see why people should police themselves to avoid offending others, this is no different. People can say what they want, and others can digest it how they want, if they want clarification they can ask and maybe the person will write a response, but self policing is cringe.

>>82617218
this is the result of living in a decadent society where you don't have to work to live for basic necessities of life. it's why empires don't last forever. people are happiest when they're constantly working towards something and it's easiest to do so when it's basic life needs and not something like studying for 10 years for a credential that maybe will get you a job in an unrelated field.

>>82617273
That's... a little accurate. I unironically have been thinking about how I'd be more excited about doing a suicidal terrorist attack on my country's capital then courting a woman.

drugs and being overly praised for doing very little when I was young because I was "smart" so I lost all interest in others approval outside of a deep personal connection that is not "fake" my obsession with "genuine" has likely destroyed me. or my mom pseudo abandoned me at 12 and the missing relationship made me crave unattainable levels of affection it's honestly a toss up

>>82627761
>>82629730
Other repliers are retards. If it were okay to do whatever you wanted so long as "it was in the name of science" then concentration camp experimenters are excusable. But I doubt these mongs would agree with that.

At the end of the day, the guy tortured a bunch of rats. Literally gave them false hope he'd rescue them, then cruelly watched them struggle for days until their bodies finally gave out and they died. That is sociopathic behavior. It doesn't matter that he scribbled some notes down. A non-sociopath doesn't torture living creatures and I would be just as wary of that "scientist" as I would any other freak torturing animals. I would be afraid this deranged faggot would be poisoning or drugging me and documenting the effects. "It's le science so it's okay" though right? Fuck off.

>>82618843
No. This is bullshit. I am the this way exactly because I *can't* achieve what others do. I don't have the social smarts to achieve what they do. I don't have the same drive and motivaiton as them. And I also don't have the resilience to deal with set backs. Every little thing is too much to bear. I am a weak person. Either by nature, or due to my way of living (aka having nothing good in my life to make me feel anything).

>>82630431
>Get all hairy and gross
I would rather not.

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I didn't want to believe that I was doomed to be a loser. But every time I try self-improving that seems to be more of a reality.

>>82617218
Kicked down repeatedly when I tried to fight my bullies, by teaching staff, by the bullies, and even by the police once.
School staff kept punishing me for stuff I didn't grasp and was genuinely trying to understand.
I pushed for higher grades and they didn't result in anything.
And ultimately, I never had anybody to pull me out of it at all. No connections.
At my "ambition's" peak I was ready to take a weapon of any kind to school and make use of it. It turns out I can't even do that properly and got my nose broken and the cops involved.
It wasn't until I had time in my room after graduating high school to finally calm down and realize that I didn't truly want to appease these people who don't help me and even hurt me.
If there ever was a part of me that did have more human ambitions, it was kicked down repeatedly. I live as a machine, one whose wires are made of nerves, flesh, blood, bone.

The only ego I have left is the same as it was back then: I'd really rather be left alone if possible. When I'm alone my mind races much faster and the freedom lets me figure out who and what I am much quicker. Other people are obstacles to this. But this isn't practical in today's world. Can't even go live innawoods anymore without nosy people and government actors getting involved. There is nothing for me in this world, so I'll wait it out until the wafers comprising my brain begin to rust, rot, atrophy and decay.
Anything is better than letting that old ambition take me. It's not sustainable, going postal never is. Glowies make for better killers anyway, why bother? I can just laugh at all the stupid bloodshed, everyone else is too stupid to not kill each other and they just let it happen too, just like how they let me down back then.
To be up-front, I wish I was wrong about my pessimism of human nature. I'd like to see evidence that maybe there's something in humanity but the more I look and contemplate I feel glad I didn't turn out to be like those humans.

>>82621764
>pic
Yeah, that totally happened. Let's all believe it and get angry.

>>82633242
Sir, I think you are at the wrong board. Please leave or I'll have to call the frogs on you. Reddit is that way and /fit/ is over there.

Thank you for you cooperation.

>>82617252
Mustard seems smart, I can see the soul in his eyes.
He knows it's all a joke, to be forced to exist.

>>82627761
>>82633417
>Richter
>American
>immigrants from Germany
You just know.

>>82631248
>I was pretty average looking
Clearly not if she started crying. You have my sympathy though.

>>82632989
>>82633035
Homeschool is the better way, asshats. The issue is your folks were just jackasses that never involved you in activities that could have let you interact with other kids.

>>82617218
For me I think it's that I couldn't spell for shit, meaning I would always get shit grades ass no matter how hard I tried. Which lead me to internalized being a loser.

>>82633056
What was this contest you were forced into?

>>82617218
The way this guy frames it is too simplistic, but overall yeah thats kind of how it goes. Except it is a prolonged failure, with literally none of the safety switched that "succesful" people took for granted (being given third and more chances, resilient metabolism, luck, relationships etc)

>>82633417
Scientists have always been known to be sub-humans. It's why they are so hellbent on getting rid of religion as it is the one thing that always calls them out on their savage "experiments".

>>82635459
kickball

>>82630431
Very common, unfortunately too common now, just makes you look like a gym coping big beard basedboy with and le manly hobbies and epic whiskey bacon

>>82636241
kekles. I remember playing that in school one or twice. Not one of my favorites. Did you never practice? I assume you were a shit kicker and always got out. As long as you can run, you just need a bitch kick to a corner and they have to run towards it, giving you time.

>>82617218
I'll add onto this, losing and winning early on also create a psychological phenomena called the "winner and loser effect".
It's an evolutionary adaptation among social species to reinforce hierarchy.
When you lose a lot in your formative years, eventually that gets ingrained in your personality, and it becomes "easier" for you to lose. For early on winners, there's an opposite effect.
The only reason men become incels is because they never got a fucking shot, and never learned adaptations to bring them out of the resulting funk. You can eventually ascend from that mindset but you'd have to basically brainwash yourself into a winner mindset. It won't ensure results though.

>>82636260
There is a reason dorfs aren't desired in fantasy settings, anon. The only reason they procreate is because dorf women have no other choice.

>>82636303
irl dwarf women (fat pooners) still have higher SMV than average men, they would be getting run through by human soldiers on the daily

>>82636300
>The only reason men become incels is because they never got a fucking shot, and never learned adaptations to bring them out of the resulting funk.
Not for me. I was one of the more popular kids in gradeschool and the class Stacy liked me. Shame I was a shy fucker that was too afraid of rejection to make much of a move. Getting pulled out into homeschool sealed my fate. Being sent to public highschool was far too late as I was too pussy to act on what I had, and the few times I did I got rejected. Now I know how bad women are, and don't see a point in trying to work around my balding head to get one.
>>82636318
>have no other choice
Anon, dorf women hardly leave their underground cities. The men are wise enough to keep them there. The ones that do leave are sluts and get ganged regularly.

>>82617218
nothing happened in my childhood im just wired wrong. im fembrained but not in a tranny way.
the fear of having a defeat is way way stronger so even if i get a victory it feels weak in compare so id rather do nothing usually

>>82620313
That reminds me
I used to have this chad buddy in my friend group. When it was just a small group of us I'd tell a joke, he'd think it's fucking hilarious but no-one else would. He'd retell it later and all of the sudden he was a comedy god, people would say shit like "How do you come up with this dude?" and he'd take credit.
That was a very specific lesson early on that I find being reinforced every day. "No matter what you say or do, all that matters is who you are."
Can't say I blame anyone because I'm just as shallow at times. If an average build woman came up and hit on me I'd happily accept, if landwhale tried the same thing I'd probably make an excuse to get out of there. I've tried dating landwhales, and I've tried to force the attraction but it wasn't there. Even if it was they all gave me the "you'll find someone" pity talk.

>>82617218
Once it set in that my autism meant I'd never have a relationship, friends, or a decent job I kinda just peacefully detached from this world. It's not made for people like me.
I got the free trial version of life. I still try to enjoy myself and appreciate the little things like smoking a joint while watching the sun rise, but I've have accepted I'll never be a main character. I'm almost 27, there isn't gonna be some movie like arch where I flip everything around and become a normal human being.
>>82617252
He's literally me.

>>82636446
>Once it set in that my autism meant I'd never have a relationship, friends, or a decent job I kinda just peacefully detached from this world. It's not made for people like me.
>I've have accepted I'll never be a main character.
>there isn't gonna be some movie like arch where I flip everything around and become a normal human being.

>Worrying about an inevitability is pointless, your struggles against a fate set in stone is a waste of time.

Enlightened take, made me feel a little better. Thanks anon.

>>82636393
The sad part is I am the same. I had a landwhale that wasn't too attractive hit on me openly, yet I specifically never followed up on it. Here I am however bitching about being alone forever.

>>82636446
>faggot junkie
You won't improve like that.

>>82636584
Shit's not something you control.
If you'd have pursued her and put up the facade that you found her attractive, she'd end up stuck to you after a while, and the cracks would form.
Stopping it in the first part is easier on her than breaking her heart later.

>>82617218
It happened in high school, 1st year. I don't remember the exact subject, but I worked really hard on some homework we got and I knew it clearly was deserving the equivalent of an A+, but the whore grading said I barely passed. After that I was no longer naive and never cared about the quality of my work, all that mattered was saying the right thing to the right person, every interaction with people is just about how good you can lie.
All the matter is the results, the way you do it is irrelevant and not something to ever take pride in. Naturally I'm still selfish and greedy like I'm supposed to be, but I can't describe myself as ambitious.

>>82636505
Shrooms, meditation, learning about Buddhism, and listening to Alan Watts helped a lot.
It seems like cringe stoner hippy shit, but it helped me way more than 10+ years of Christianity while pretending to be a normie did.

>>82636616
I know that. I am saying that it is ironic that I am bitching about being alone while not taking the "take what you can get" pill. I still stand by my choice, but it is just a bit amusing.

The blackpill is just a giant cope.

>>82636622
>one mistake fucks your mind
It happened much earlier, that was just the final straw.
>like I'm supposed to be
Your jackass attitude is why life is so shit for us all, child.
>>82636664
Delusions don't change reality.

>>82636676
You're a cornhead. your head is roughly the size and shape of a corn cob, and as a result your brain is all squished into some cob core shape. Your brain is just a rod in a cob.

>>82617218
>What happened in your adolescence to make you this way?
It's a lack of a strong paternal figure that offered guidance and taught skills, for most men I think this is the case

I've found my own way, but it's certainly been a struggle

>>82636765
That can't possibly be your counter-argument regarding the blackpill.
My head is noticeably bigger than yours?
Wtf.

>>82636797
No it says here in "true facts about your body", you are a cornhead with a tiny cob brain.

>>82636825
I'm a scientist actually.
Most of science is bullshit.

>>82621661
>>Parents tell me I was quiet and never cried as a baby
>>Anon you were so easy going as a child!
>>Grow up to be an emotionally stunted NEET who can't form relationships with zero drive for success.
Lol same, are you easily fatigued too? Its grim to imagine that this "calmness" my parents and relatives was actually severe fatigue and messed up motivation/neurotransmissor stuff right out of the womb. Truly fucking bleak

>>82617218
Yeah yeah dopamine neural pathways whatever. I tried my best in life and was always last. Had junkie parents and no money, with no resources on how to make money. I spend my days drawing in peace in my neet hole. Some may say its a sad life but im not bothering anyone so I dont see how it affects them, I just want to be left alone now. I dont want to compete with people I know are genitcally better.

>>82617218
I'm very successful but I feel ZERO joy from being so.

>>82617334
I got an awesome friend who's 5'3", he's going to be a priest!

>>82637717
Yes, I'm so fucking tired even after trying so many different naturopathy, supplements, doctors, sometimes I wonder if it's just permanent brain damage, that wouldn't be so obvious on tests.

>>82618843
I'd say it's both defeat and unrewarded success. Succeeding in things that don't matter and failing in things that do.

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>>82617218
>being kicked out of the military twice before hitting age 20
>getting into university, did an internship, volunteer work, etc but still rejected from EVERY job related to my studies post-graduate
>family turned their backs on me
>was generally unemployed between 2008-2017
>have been stuck at a warehouse since 2017
>single since 2005; 36 with no kids, no significant other, no 'sneaky links,' nada
>nearly every woman I've spoken to has either flaked or ghosted me
>failed the JLPT several times
>want to leave the country, but other countries have their own people to do the only job(s) I'd even be remotely qualified for
And then there's AI. I just don't fucking care anymore desu.

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>>82617269
Don't fall for this bullshit, mind over matter niggas, became the incarnation of the revolution

No matter how successful you become, you will never truly be satisfied. Much like how the greedy, wealthy elites just want more and moar.

>>82617327
>Napoleon complex and whatnot
See, having confidence as a manlet is literally seen as a mental disorder.

>>82621057
moms can be sociopathic about their own projecting, they are too obsessed with their inner lives which can lead to difficulties balancing their relationship to their children

>>82622715
>he just ignores all his problems like he's mentally incapable of dealing with them at all, and if you try to force him he'll just shut down and shut you out
heh you've described me

It's very simple once you've been demoralized and the things you want aren't achievable you just aren't going to work towards them

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>>82617218
Because I gave all I could when I was young and when I realized it was all bullshit and that I would get nothing out of it, I just stopped being "ambitious". It's that simple, OP. Society doesn't reward people who work hard solely for working hard, didn't you hear?

>>82617252
that's a sigma chimpanzee

>>82634097
Legit. He has a human sovl but a glitch but him in an animals body

>>82617218
>What happened in your adolescence to make you this way? Healthy men feel the joy of victory and the shame of defeat very strongly, why don't you?
domestic abuse. dad was violent and aggressive, mom always made me and lil bro behave in a way to not upset him. I got the brunt of the worst of it, so I ended up being more blunted than him. he at least has friends and a social life, I feel no significant reward for being around others.

trauma induces this kind of reaction, it's well known and studied, but people will still treat victims, especially men, like ass for not being "man" enough despite never feeling good for doing so. They don't care and will get more aggressive when you try to explain it, no one pities victims that aren't female and react in a feminine way (BPDemon behavior)

I hate my life and drugs are the only way I can feel genuinely good.

>>82640918
Shut up narc.

>>82617218
My case was a bit different than OP's pic, but I bet a lot of you can identify
>Be me, young kid, I self identified as bad in sports. Whatever, won't play sportsball, I will be le smart instead.
>This meant I already gave up on something as a small child
>School is designed so retards can pass. So even midwits can get an A without studying
>Since getting an A is effortless, I get no joy from it. Pretty soon stop caring so much I become a C student
>No sportsballs means less socialized, and 0 romance or sex in teenage years
>College comes, where I actually need to read and study long books, flunk out hard
>Cant get self esteem from being smart if I flunk college
>Maybe the romance I never got can get me joy and motivation in life?
Nope, learned about women's nature. They're demonic and suck joy out of life

Pretty much no point to anything

>>82639212
May as well if you're going to be celibate for life anyways, good for him

>>82617218
It's more realizing that this material world is pointless. Outside of an abstract concept like power, what exactly differentiates the life of a minimum wage worker or a guy on Neetbux of that from an multi millionaire? Both have the ability to drive metal on wheels, both can eat food, both can breath air, both can drink water.
Obviously, the difference in some third world shithole is immense, but in any western country, the difference lies only in the luxury branding, anything else is the same, so why bother.

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>>82617218

probably the same story as many others here. Told I was smart, realized early on that I was a big fish in a small pond, and my confidence fucking shattered..Felt I was dumb through school and college but worked hard my last 2 years of undergrad and got into grad school, found out I was easily the dumbest person there. dropped out

I hate the feeling if failure and humiliation. Sucks being the person in the room that everyone snickers at.

>>82642559

Agree 100

One just lives a 'comfier' life. But even thinking about food: Even if the rich person eats steak and the poor person eats rice, both go away and turn into shit.

>>82621764
Successful people might say you are a coping loser, but that is self denial, Machiavelli already wrote exactly what you wrote, Anon, and he wasn't some nobody, he was directly involved with the highest economic class during that era in Europe, so everything he claimed was objectively verifyable fact.
In order to achieve high economic or social status, there is no other way around than to become a lying deceiving sociopath, this is the case in 100% of the time, there is not a single morally good man who ever lived who was successful in his life.
They violently murdered a perfect man on the cross and make liars and cheaters billionaires.

>>82642599
I know that feel anon, I was the "smart" kid in elementary and high school in my small town, went to university and realized just how fucking average I was. Now I work a soul-sucking 9-5 with a dogshit wage and I can't even afford a house in the neighborhood I grew up in. This world is fucked

its crazy how at no point in your 15+ years of schooling does anyone tell you the basic facts about how life works. that a lot of your outcome is dependant on who you parents are and where you live. that you need connections to be able to do anything, that if you cannot socialise you are completely fucked. all the most important things in life are never mentioned at all and you just have to find out the hard way

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>>82642681

Yeah, we all got screwed. I can't afford a house in the neighborhood I grew up in either without breaking the bank every month.

Any chance of parlaying your current job into something less soul-sucking?

>>82642618
The difference lies in the nutritional aspect, but the poor person can afford a stake aswell, just not in some insanely expensive steakhouse where they serve the 100 dollar stake with a 200 dollar scotch.

>>82642842

the point is that it doesn't matter how delicious and expensive food is, it all turns to shit in the end

>>82617218
I frankly think all the people have different tolerance for trying/stuggle. Its legit "something got to break" thing.
From my own perspective, im now waging in a comfy job, its not perfect but its optimal at least for now. In last ~13y I had periods when I tried really hard to "win" and make something happen, projects, startups and other ideas, it took probably 5y out of those dozen years in total. I did it during neeting, during workyears, but I failed (sometimes with other people) each time. Ive struggled and it sucked the will out of me. My motivation got oblitirated and creative thought thats required in my craft almost vanished. Now i treat this craft as a hobby and i have to be careful no to "overdo" it because It can turn against myself and become depressed/quit it for months.
At this stage of my life the shame is very low factor, I dont have the drive/motivation beside that I just feel good when I create, but only in certain consitions - my failures made a mark on me. The key factor is that I dont feel the need to truimph in society that i mostly dissdained for quite awhile.
What is a sucess when you reap and celebrate with people that you hate/dont have any respect from? Its the same with compliments, I shit you not, I appriciate right compliments from the closed one,
But I dont find compliments from randoms motivating. They all feel like nothing, said eithier to get on your good side, build relation or just ensure that you keep working your job. It scary how it all works when you percive the world throught the lenses of societal underlying action/reaction games.
I still feel the need to win in some departament of my life, i challange myself from time to time and I know its just healthly for my brain. Still I feel like most of the time its not worth of energy spent. I feel like achiving the real sucess involves myself trying to entertain/win over the herd, literal cattle.

>>82617218
Opie I am pooping in toilet >.<

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I actually feel enjoyment and pleasure whenever I lose something or fuck up so I pretty much do stuff to worsen my life

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>>82617335
Kind of the same for me. I don't even know why I care about politics, I'm not well-read and it doesn't really affect me anyway. Can't fix my health issues by vooting. Things can get worse but they've been worse before. I'm never going to have any political influence, I'm not that guy, it's just team sports basically.
I don't think I've ever changed anyone's mind, and even if I did it would be pointless. There's too many people involved. It's like a crowd crush. The individual attempts to escape the crush don't matter, anybody trapped in the crowd is being moved by fluid pressure. The individual will subsumed by pure arithmetic. That's history, at best you choose your role in it, but the story is already written. Any single person's will is completely irrelevant.

>>82631426
>17
It was 10 for me

>>82617218
A lot of abuse from my childhood. A lot of shaming for not conforming to the social standards of a highly religious household. It crippled my creative and ambitious desires for a long time. And with what >>82618843
anon said it's pretty accurate too.
It's not only the defeat and the shaming. It was never once being praised for succeeding. Get good grades? Oh well that's just to be expected you don't need praise for getting all A's. Don't cause problems for my parents? Oh I'm just being shy and reserved which became a problem. I wouldn't open up because when I did I was just chastised for what I had to say. So I learned to just shut up, not talk, not interact, and keep to myself. No one cares about what I do right and only want to exaggerate what I do wrong. I'm not play your stupid social games. And now I ended up a schizoid, NEET, volcel.

>>82636294
nta but I was terrible at that game, but one time the ball bounced off of two other guys and landed in my hands, I got cheered and lifted up, like in a movie.

>>82617218
I've seen people very close to me be very ambitious by starting their own company, working 10 hours every day and barely made more money than at their previous full time job, while just wasting more of their free time and becoming more unhappy and they were more intelligent than me which just makes me have no motivation as I don't want to work myself to death for a reward that never comes

>>82617218
I was homeschooled so I just lived in an isolating environment where I had no friends, certainly no girls to charm, and now I feel like I wake up just to exist and nothing more
Sometimes I think 'maybe I should learn to draw' but then what's the point? I have no one to be show, except my mom lol

>>82617334
>5'3 man
cute af, idk why people don't appreciate it more in a partner, you live longer, you never have to worry about leg space, I'm not that tall either so you'd fit in my bed without your feet going over the edge...
>>82643593
>homeschooled
Unless you've been made to socialise on the regular or at least hang out with the neighbour's kids every day, that's going to leave you socially stunted, isn't it? Some parents never want their children to leave their home and to keep them dependant, some kids deal with it better than others.
>I have no one to be show
Try going outside more and hanging out with people. If you're a social trainwreck, it's gonna be cringe but everyone has to go through that to get anywhere
>>82625641
Having a degree and getting jacked won't do shit for your relationships, all you need is social skills to charm people. Do some basic grooming, be sociable and invite people to go to places with you. If you date younger it's even less effort because children are impressionable af, knew someone who swooned over a worker at McDonalds because he was wearing 1 earring, just don't stand around hunched with your mouth hanging open or be gross in any way and you'll be fine
>Can't be bothered to go out to practise social skills
Buy sex if you can't be bothered to put effort into relationships but at least try to find some actual friends before your isolation lands you in omega depression ville. Too many people think they need a relationship with some woman they don't even like when they really want a friend who'll take care of them, you can find that in a man too, doesn't need to be gaysexual. If you only want someone to abuse, leave kids and animals alone and just kys. But if you want an actual relationship, try to at least appreciate people.

>>82617252
We are all Mustard.

>>82641506
I heavily identify, especially with the flunking out of college as a former straight-A student in highschool.

>>82617218
>Why aren't you ambitious? What happened in your adolescence to make you this way?
virginity.
>>82617218
>Healthy men feel the joy of victory and the shame of defeat very strongly, why don't you?
i'm a virgin.

>>82644405
bro really thinks having sex will solve all his problems

>>82644427
i'm already an adult, it's too late for that

>>82644405
Virginity is a meme and poor cover of your actual problems.
What is it? Bullying? Autism? Living in a shitty place with no opportunities nor hang-out spots?

>>82644502
yeah bullying too, but you can't put the blame of everything on it

>>82617218
I agree. I live in a country centered around football, but I have some kind of coordination/eye issue that makes it hard for me to follow moving balls and hit them. As a result, as a kid I was always cut off from games, I never had the thrill of "competition" because I was a loser by default. I've never been able to compete on anything. I chose a career that has no competition and no hierarchy. I don't chase girls because competing with other men makes me feel like that kid alone in the corner of the schoolyard, separated from the rest of the group. Grim.

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>>82636446
>It's not made for people like me
Indeed, we are in this world, not of this world. I only wish I came to that realization earlier than my mid 20s.

>>82633018
Same experience >>82644970
When you get picked last for the football team and get treated like a nuisance and burden every other day of your childhood, it takes a toll.

>>82644970
Being bad at sports as a kid feels like a total death sentence socially for the rest of your life. Your father is generally supposed to teach you how to play properly but I guess in this day and age that is too much to ask for. My Dad played sports as a kid but never even really tried to teach me anything like that.

>>82644515
>"you can't put the blame of everything on one thing"
>blames everything on being a virgin
I was naming examples there, feel free to give a nuanced answer about your life problems though.
Why were you bullied? Bullies will commonly pick the weakest members of a group, so what was it? New to town and late to the party?
I was bullied due to being in a regular state of dissociation and selective mutism. Losing my virginity would've done jackshit for my life, it'd have been one day of action, then right back to a life of misery. I got more out of managing to find a friend who'd let me sleep over all the time so I didn't have to go home as often. Probably saved my life.

>>82617218
Trying is only humiliation. And after a while l noticed l'm pretty subpar at everything l try, even at things that are supposed to come naturally. It's just not worth the effort

>>82645570
Youth sports is especially brutal in that it's mostly genetics of who grows fastest, and even beyond that when in the year you were born.

I had shit genetics and was always the youngest in my cohort, no amount of coaching was ever going to fix me being half the size of my peers in the regular sports.
By the time I caught up developmentally in HS I had a decade less of experience and still got btfo'd
Might have had a promising pingpong career or some equally obscure olympic bullshit, but that wasn't available

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>>82617218
the cosmos itself seems hellbent on crushing every little hope and dream i have, no matter how ridiculously insignificant
i cant even have 2 fucking hours of peace and quite to myself, that i was waiting for a month now, since i already know a certain someone will be breathing down my neck

why be ambitious, when the world itself will bend to fuck me over
why hope, when im meet only with disappointment every time
for the first time in my life im genuinely considering that ill just have to give up
because there just doesnt seem i will ever get a sliver of happiness in my life

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Ambition is a path to destruction and disappointment. I am competitive and have aspirations, but I don't despair if I fail to achieve my goals. I don't live my life seeking to attain wealth, power, or status. It's not bad if one does attain those things as a byproduct of following their natural inclinations, but pursuing them for their own sake is unhealthy.

>>82645628
>Losing my virginity would've done jackshit for my life
Sex gives pleasure, whats hard to understand ? (NTA)