Hell does exist.
Reincarnation does not.

The Buddha taught he same nigger slop that Oprah winfrey does, it's nonsensical drivel.
Because you are bitter against and hate God you will end up in hell should you not repent.
While you are powerless against the world, you are not powerless against your own flesh

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>uh sorry bud says here took the lords name in vain on September 17 2007 while you were playing halo 3

>>82663327
yeah i dont believe in revealed religions like the bible
i do believe in god tho. god from natural theology, something like that

i dont know if its the case 100% but i think something is out there. maybe a simulator, maybe god, maybe reincarnation. something

and i sure hope whatever is out there rains hellfire onto this shithole earth and ends humanity because i think people are horrible and this planet sucks

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>>82663315
>i sure hope hell exists

>>82663346
i think ideally id want justice
like a situation of "ohhh.... so you exploited and abused power your entire life with a smug expression on your face? well, you're going to be powerless and exploited in the next life" type ordeal

something like this would greatly please me. very much so. more so than any horny teenage girl's love and prime pussy ever could, i think

see, i could sleep well knowing there is justice in the world. quite well indeed. but i dont see justice, and this very much bothers me. very much so. i hate this shitty world with this shitty people

>>82663379
How do you know that's not exactly how things already are? How can you know what people did in their past lives to deserve their current situation?

>>82663434
well i dont
but the problem is i dont know either way
does that make sense? like i literally am ignorant, and this world SEEMS horrible
it seems like there is a great amount of shit and evil and injustice and all sorts of terrible things

thats the problem. there doesnt seem to be justice
now, it COULD be possible. yeah sure. it could be possible theres a floating pink elephant behind me juggling bowling balls silently. and when i look behind me, it disappears. this COULD be possible, but i just dont know, and it does seem like belief in this invisible pink elephant is not justified, despite being possible

now, it COULD be possible that justice exists, but i just dont see a reason to think it does

>>82663315
>meat eaters too. i hope reincarnation is real and people come back as the animals they eat
What about predatory animals? Do they get punished for following their nature too?

>>82663615
id like to think that the lives of predatory animals is bad enough as it is to constitute a punishment in and of itself

>starve to death often
>die a virgin often
>die from diseases often
>watch your children die often

and i dont think predatory animals can be blamed for their actions because they dont have moral agency. they arent smart enough to be good or bad; they just act on insticts, most predators are less intelligent than a 3 year old child; they are too stupid to be good or bad

humans, on the otherhand, can be blamed for their actions, and are not too stupid for moral decisions

>>82663623
>humans, on the otherhand, can be blamed for their actions, and are not too stupid for moral decisions
But humans are evolved from omnivores who eat meat. I don't think anyone should be punished for simply following nature and tradition.

>>82663636
>But humans are evolved from omnivores who eat meat
sure, but somewhere along the lines humans developmed moral agency and animals didnt. thats why humans can be morally blamed for something. if you stab someone for fun because you were bored, you can be blamed for that. animals cant when they bite random strangers

>I don't think anyone should be punished for simply following nature and tradition.
why? humans are intelligent enough to know right from wrong. if someone decides to run over people like in gta with random npc's they would be guilty of murder, and did something MORALLY wrong. they can reasonably be held accountable for their actions, even if its their nature to run over people when they're bored

>>82663659
I agree humans who commit murders and stuff should be blamed and punished, but there's nothing wrong with eating meat, our ancestors did so for countless millennia.

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>>82663663
>but there's nothing wrong with eating meat,
well, i mean there obviously is
it causes horrific suffering to the animals, and is nutritionally needless
you dont need meat to be healthy; plenty of people are vegan for over a decade and have all their nutritional needs met

and since eating meat causes animals to die, its something you shouldnt do

its no different than eating dogs or cats or humans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLTAGOUiqMQ

>our ancestors did so for countless millennia.
our ancestors also raped and commited tribal genocides in tribal warfare where they'd kill all the males and rape all the females. i dont think if our ancestors did something, its okay for us to do. were all the decendants of rape

>>82663315
>Moral purist
>Browses fucking r9k
I am getting sick of you zoomer niggers lmao.

>>82663339
The bible is not a "Revealed religion" it is natrual theology, it is what existed before records, it all points to Christ, who was a real man, who died for your sins.

There will be justice, but it will not be pretty for an unbeliever like yourself

>>82663685
it obviously is a revealed religion, and its revealed in the bible. you are delusional
judaism and islam are the same. same thing with hinduism or buddism or zoroastrianism or whatever

its all revealed religions, revealing special magical secrets like resurections or whatever in your magical book, which i dont believe in thankies

>>82663674
yeah i sure hope a hell exists for people of your ilk
sigh i hate god what a horrible world we have

>>82663688
>if you dont believe in this unjustified fantastical claims like resurection in a book written by people 2000 years ago you will go to hell

okay thats fine i cant control what god does, i just think thats comically unreasonable, and it would seem that a fair and just god wouldnt punish someone for having justified reasonable beliefs

>>82663673
>and since eating meat causes animals to die, its something you shouldnt do
I disagree, predating other animals is part of our nature just as much as it is for cats or dogs (or monkeys) in the wild. We should follow our nature instead of running away from it.

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>>82663705
>We should follow our nature instead of running away from it.
i mean theres lots of natural inclinations that we ought not to follow or embrace
like sadism or killing people or pedophelia

some people are naturally evil pedos who want to hurt and kill children. but those people should choose not to do that, because thats wrong

same thing with meat eaters. just because its our nature to eat meat, doesnt mean we should embrace it, because its wrong to needlessly kill animals, and we dont need to do so for nutrition

>>82663715
I disagree. Unlike murder of pedophilia, eating meat is a normal and healthy part of our nature and maintains our connection to the circle of life. We should cherish and maintain it. I would argue every single human should hunt, kill, butcher, cook, and eat a wild animal at least once in their life to maintain that connection.

>>82663722
>eating meat is a normal
no its not. its morally wrong because it causes needless kiling and death of animals. we dont need to eat meat or kill them

>and healthy part of our nature
just because something is natural doesnt mean its moral. again, its natural for some people to want to hurt others, but thats wrong. same thing if its natural for you to want to eat meat

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/humans-are-omnivores

>I would argue every single human should hunt, kill, butcher, cook, and eat a wild animal at least once in their life to maintain

but its needless. it causes death and suffering to animals. you dont need it to be healthy. its no different than killing animals for fun

>>82663315
I hope reincarnation exists but not only as punishment. Sure a meat eater could be reincarnated as lifestock, but if they were a good pet owner then maybe also as a pet to a loving owner

>>82663315
>i sure hope hell exists so [others] could burn in it
>i wish suffering on others
>i hate
nigger you'd go too

>>82663897
see i dont mind if its the case that i ought go
but i think its justified to wish that evil people burn in hell, including myself if im evil
and i dont think its inherently evil to wish that SOME people, in particular evil people, burn in hell

>>82663875
problem is, it does sound somewhat intuitively plausible that justice has some kind of retribution to it, which would entail that suffering is good for its own sake under a retributionist philosophy

most people would find it morally wrong to give some kind of heinously evil person paradise, like some kind of child killer entrance into utopia, or similarly evil person

>>82663315
>>82663327
>>82663688
Having to share a planet with retarded slop like you faggots make me well understand why rich people treat working class like cattle and lord over them. Imagine being a grow ass adult believing in fairytales made up by grifters. You christcucks literally worship a dead jew grifter whose cult didn't even take off in popularity until after he died.

>>82663946
I dont think people can be absolutely evil, they could simply experience the world evil and maybe their worldview is the correct one. No one is the villain of their own story and if they are thats called mental ilness.

However i think people deserve to experience the consequences of their actions, both good and bad. If you feed someone i think theres some karmic justice to being able to feast in another life

>>82663701
A fair and just God does not punish people seeking truth. He punishes unrepentant sin.

The Bible says all of creation already testifies about Him:
'For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.' (Romans 1:20)

What you call 'reasonable disbelief' is actually rebellion against clear evidence. God is not hidden - He revealed Himself in nature, in conscience, in history, and ultimately in Yahshua, Christ Jesus, the Messiah.

He offers mercy now, but justice later. 'The times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands every man everywhere to repent." (Acts 17:30)

You reject His mercy at your own peril succumb to your vain philosophies and the stories of men, when the Truth is clearly before us, in the natural world, in the moral laws written in your conscience, in History that clearly shows the Revolution of Yah, and in Messiah Himself.

Calling the Bible a 'revealed religion' misses the point. It is not hidden claims from nowhere, but the written confirmation of what creation, conscience, and history has already shown. Everyone already has access to the evidence of God's existence - Scripture gives us His Name, His covenant, and His Salvation. It is your own choice to follow after Satan and your own sinful flesh.

>>82663722
crazy cult shit

>>82663315
That wish makes you a piece of shit, anon. But it's all good it seems like you're pretty young so you'll figure it out.

>>82663315
>hypocritical people
>meat eaters
why?
they don't do much harm
>powerless
exactly, why would anyone become vegan if it doesn't do anything? It can't do anything because they have no power.

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>>82664353
>why?
>they don't do much harm
well, i mean like, you could do harm to animals
and just in the usa alone we kill over 300 million pigs year. thats a genocidal amount of harm. unbelieveably cruel and evil

>why would anyone become vegan if it doesn't do anything?
thats not true going vegan, over time, causes less animals to be bred into existence and thus suffer

>>82663315
What if hell exists but only good people go there and bad people simply die and thats the end of them

>>82664549
>genocidal amounts of harm
This is a completely meaningless judgement

Anyway it doesn't matter. Factory farming is a more efficient way of procuring meat products. So, factory farming will exist and be prominent in our technological society. A vegan trend won't reduce the suffering and indignity we cause to animals by even 0.1%

>>82663315
I wasn't going to eat meat today anon but you've convinced me to get some lamb.

>>82663315
Be the change you want to see, give em hell

The shining whitepill is when you consider Jesus and the god of Spinoza as the same

>>82664549
>we kill over 300 million pigs
I don't kill any animals.
Nor do I order someone to kill animals.
They just sell the carcasses, and I buy one.
If I didn't buy it, someone else would, or it would go in the trash.

>causes less animals to be bred
The effect is insignificant. Supply/demand does not change because of one person.
As with any group thing, if I went vegan nothing would happen, the people still kill and eat animals. I have no effect on the people around me either, so no it wouldn't cause them to go vegan either.
As you say, we are powerless.

I despise all of these group antics / movements.
The tiny global affect of your actions does not matter; what matters is what's in front of you. And also how you feel.

>>82663623
if they cannot be blamed for their actions, why would you want them to be punished? don't you think all beings are bound to the nature of survival, including humans? all of those things you listed apply to humans as well btw

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>>82664934
>If I didn't buy it, someone else would, or it would go in the trash.
problem with this line of thinking is that when you buy meat, you give them a financial incentive to breed the next generation of animals. over enough time, even one person can cause less animals to be bred, to make up for their lack of demand, given enough time

even one person, over enough time, can make less animals be bred into existence. so maybe most of the time you dont make any difference, but on some days you'd make a massive difference because instead of breeding 200 chickens they breed 195, which is not insignificant

your impact is real over enough time, even if its a lifetime

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>>82663315
Do you realize that plants and even bugs have divine sparks and therefore a will to live and feel suffering? How is veganism a solution, to live is to exploit nearly evert organism that lives except the ones who do photosynthesis require biomass from other dead things to survive. Sure it doesn't have to be as inhumane as we do now...but I find that people forget plants and lower forms of life still feel immense suffering even if they can't scream vocally like we do.

"No matter what I do, any Buddha I carve is an incarnation of wrath. Thus is the fate of those who owe a deep karmic debt. You'll understand when you try carving one for yourself one day".

You like carving idols, don't you?

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oh, a servant gaia are you? not only do i eat meat. I corrupt the minds of women and take upon satans name. Ill take the worshippers of mother nature and kill their pets, then feed whatever is left of them to their owner. Anon, I hope you have a sister who is mentally vulnerable. Think of the many women that ive tormented that will be in my concubine in hell. I like to begin with christians and work my way down to those who are intune with nature and spirituality.

I kill not to eat but for the fun of it, not survival necessary. I sacrifice their seed unto moloch for my personal benefits. Hiding behind morality will not save you or those that hold the same moral integrity. Its only a matter of time until hell seeps into earth. The daughters of gaia are so gentle and innocent, peeling away their dignity makes it so delectable. Pagans will be tied to the same trees we cut down, natures kingdom will be stained by her followers decapitated remains. While you become one with the land, we strive for greater goals. There is a reason why third world countries were so easy to conquer.

>>82663315
Hahaha seethe Lil niggie, giga Chads keep buck breaking and raping everything you love and all you can do is sit in the corner and watch like a little cuck. Based shit has always happened and will keep happening, slavery, oppression, corruption, genocide, rape, animal abuse, poors getting fucked, inequality, injustice, wars, it's in our nature and no one can stop it. Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta turn off my phone(made with slave labor) and go have a nice juicy burger(made from cows with families) and wash it down with an energy drink(the faggot workers who made it got exploited).

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>>82664984
>>82665146
>>82665038

dont you think its like, a little epistemically arrogant to behave like that?

like, what if this is a simulation that will judge you in the afterlife or something like that?

maybe it would be wise to be fearful of a potential judgement day or consequences for abusing power over the most innocent animals who cant fight back at all?

idk thats just how i think...
idk... i think simply the potential of morals being real and SOME kind of justice happening should be atleast SOME motivation to atleast take some low risk/high reward moral decisions, like not killing animals, or not torturing people for fun or something

idk maybe im a cuck beta and real alphas are ruthless and cruel
idk anymore, what a shitty world this is. people sure are moral trashcans, huh?

>>82665334
You ARE a cuck beta, and a sissy faggot bitch. I don't give a shit about judgment, studs like the Kims, Oskar dirlewanger, Stalin, Mao, pol pot, oligarchs, Ted bundy, Harold shipman, Leopold II, Hitler, Jewish overlords, corpos, dictators, politicians, psychopaths, embezzlers, mobsters, narcos, glowies and other Chads run shit, do whatever they want, shape history, society and the world and there is nothing you moral fags can do about it. Ideology, ethics, empathy, kindness, opinions, feelings, who deserves what, shoulds woulds coulds non of that matter, all that matter is who gets what, how much, and what they do with it. Expecting our species to be cucked collectively just like you are is a folly, you'd know that if you weren't a cuck. And all that religion shit is fed to you by the same people you claim to hate to keep you docile. If you feel bad just fuck off and go live in the mountains or kill yourself if you have so much empathy. You don't get to live in a system, benefit from it, contribute to this alleged "misery" you seethe about and then act morally superior.

>>82664146
People are more than capable of recognizing something as evil, and then doing it anyways.

>>82663987
Retard doesn't know rich elites believe in demons and commit ritual sacrifice to them

>>82663715
>>82663722
>>82663789
Pedophilia was normal for about as long as eating meat, a number of animals hunt for sport/fun, and a very small number of animals rape other species for fun.

>plants literally grow better when you talk to them but it's okay to torture and eat them because they cant make teary eyes at me
Vegans really think like this

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>>82665975
They are also "environmentalists" who think carbon is a terror to the environment because of the green house effect, not realizing what happens to plants inside a green house.
They want to sabotage the rate of carbon emissions while also massively increasing the population. It is like they want to engineer a Malthusian collapse

What if hell exists, but instead of being ultimate justice, everyone with uncut genitals gets there instead.
Deus modis arcanis operatur

>>82663315
>i sure hope hell exists
It does exist and at some point most of us if not all of us will be burning and feeling unimaginable pain for our retarded behaviours on earth

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> I hope hell exists.
You are already in one. Don't believe me? Well, go to the mirror and look at your gloomy face! How can the crown of creation, Gods highest vision, have such a gloomy face? Why are you so miserable? If you're so smart, so free, so knowledgeable and wise... Why do you have such an unhappy face? Because you're in hell, son! In hell! You don't know joy! You're dead! Everything is hard for you, everything disgusts you, everything torments you, everything annoys you. People, flies... You're annoyed by the heat, you're annoyed by the rain, you're annoyed by politicians, you're annoyed and tormented by everything. You're tormented by your dad, your mom, your grandpa, your grandma, your neighbors, Putin and Trump, Barack Obama et cetera. Everything is hard for you, disgusting, nothing makes you happy. Even nightingales keep you from sleeping. Because you want to get away from it all, somewhere... somewhere to sleep... to forget yourself in something, to get drunk, to get high, to sleep, to get away from it all. Why? Because you're in hell! You don't need to go anywhere - to heaven, to hell... You've been in hell for a long time, my dear, and there is only one way out - to God!

>>82667468
i think the issue is that a great amount of people deserve to burn in hell and they live great lives
it would seem intuitively correct to assert that a great amount of people in this world are evil, and there is seemingly no justice

i dont really care about my own wellbeing THAT much. what ultimately bothers me is there doesnt seem to be any justice, and this is a near unbearable thought. it bothers me much more really than any issue i otherwise have

>>82664962
It becomes more creepy when you realize that most fresh vegs are alive. We eat them alive sometimes. If we would have put the potato or carrot we are about to eat into soil, a cycle of life would continue and give new sprouts. I recently started growing some plants and seeing how plants actually do fight for their lives, enact a variety of strategies to survive and adapt , that stuff is like magic. There absolutely is some sort of conscious leading the way plants develop. They are not objects.

>>82663315
*hugs* *hugs* *more hugs*

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>>82667498
The point of that speech was though is that you are living in the hell of your making. Because you cannot accept the way nature is. And nature was made by God, so hating it is blasphemy. You can only stop being bothered and tormented, if you realize that everything that there is, exists out of love. The world is perfect, a perfectly organized orchestra of variety. You just can't see it because you are egocentric and with shame issues stuck on constantly talking to diabolical entities in your head. You may as well just be dead and in actual hell simulacrum for your previous sins of arrogance and self righteousness.

>>82667609
>The world is perfect
you know, i think that if you juxtapose this phrase over and over with the horrors of the world

like people killing animals for fun, or child serial killers killing children, or children being bombed in gaza, or past atrocities like slavery or the holocaust, or men being sent to the frontlines against their will and having their faces blown off

it would seem to me if we juxtapose this "the world is perfect" with the things i mentioned, that your claim is wrong, because those things are not perfect. no, they are wrong, and ought not be

you know?
the next time you experience great tragedy, try gaslighting yourself into thinking that. i dont think you'd get very far. it would seem quite obvious that this world is a horrific miserable place