>>82874194
blacked pill is just a continuation of the mass media pop culture slop that was PUA and MGTOW and matrix pill. there is no common "definition" it's just a loose category of pessimism-masked-as-truth that is supposedly controversial or is associated with cognitive dissonance. e.g., for any subject where someone might have a politically correct or polite opinion, the "blacked pill" variation on that opinion would be a blunt, sensational factoid that is emotionally charged to be negative and vague enough to be infallable. it doesn't have to be about lookism bait, but most teenagers are constantly thinking about their looks. the blacked pill in its most simple and common perspective is that if you're not the best looking person on earth, then life is not worth living.

>>82874194
Readpill that women are shallow attracted to looks most (face, height), and not personality, and for personality they attracted to dark triad. PUA teaches to looksmaxx and asshole maxx to get laid. MGTOW teaches to drop attempts if this maxxing disgust you and abandon women.

Blackpill comes out of redpill only with correction that attraction is mostly outside men's control (height and face bones), can't be increased significantly and therefore PUAs are scammers.

All teachings have large variations.

>>82874495
>it's just a loose category of pessimism-masked-as-truth
MGTOW and blackpill are pessimists.
Repillers and especially their active wing of PUAs are semi optimists.

>>82874194
all pills are what slow fucks use as an excuse to compare themselves to others, they want to play the same game as chad, asking for love and what not instead of just looksmatching and being grateful they werent born in a third shithole country ruled by violence, poverty or hunger, game is game

>>82874194
Redpill, bluepill, and blackpill are kinda dependent on context. In terms of incel "culture" The blackpill mostly boils down to genetic determinism.

>>82874679
>they want to play the same game as chad
MGTOW tells you to drop game.
Blackpill tells you will never win,
Only PUAs tell to play same game but padd it with skill and looks maxxing.

>>82874194
It's material for ironic shitposting, you shameless larper

>>82874495
you frame this post as if you're some sort of above it all smarty
and then you end it with
>if you're not the best looking person on earth, then life is not worth living.
completely strawmanning the fuck out of it and looking retarded

ask me how I know you use reddit

>>82874640
nah. they might be less self-loathing in their expressions, but they still reduce everything down to bleak transactional relationships (PUA) and contrarianism (redpill). if they aren't pessimistic about their own future, they are certainly pessimistic about society and the whole backbone of this subculture and their variations is teen angst.

>>82874770
>but they still reduce everything down to bleak transactional relationships (PUA) and contrarianism (redpill). if they aren't pessimistic about their own future, they are certainly pessimistic about society and the whole backbone of this subculture and their variations is teen angst.
semi optimists.

>>82874756
>muh strawman
>muh plebbit
what the fuck are you even trying to say? i intentionally implied that blackedpilloidersmaxxers are mentally retarded. if you want to nuance troll your way into making lookism sound reasonable, you are a fucking retard too

>>82874785
we're all gonna make it. the true redpill is that it's easy to get a girlfriend.

>>82874806
>the true redpill is that it's easy to get a girlfriend.
Its easier to order pizza. Proof everybody does it.
Getting gf today is not easy at all. Compare number of pizza people had and gfs.

>>82874798
First of all you mixxed 3 different movements into one. That is your nuance.

>>82874495
no,the blackpill can be understood as a modern attempt of nihilist psychology where everything is simplified down to our basic natural instinct which governs our more complicated thoughts processes.

It's the belief that our concious and complex mind is simply a mask for our primal desires.

>>82874194

Let me do my best to explain it to you. I haven't read previous responses, but half of them are probably stupid.

Everything normies touch becomes shit. Even the redpill used to be better and became shit as it became mainstream, and the blackpill has been enshittened by normies too.

To be bluepilled means to believe that good things happen to good people, life is good, beautiful and fair, god is out there looking out for us all... You know, the kind of thing happy people believe. No one calls himself bluepilled because it is always used with a negative connotation of being naive.

The redpill started on reddit (reddit was different back then), and it is about realizing that people are not that nice, about not being as naive as bluepillers, and it is also about being a bit of a jerk to people, and especially to women, for better outcomes, so it is very strategy oriented. It also has a mainstream / youtube enshittened version that's about premade pickup lines etc. People do call themselves redpilled unironically, because, despite incels using the term as another version of being bluepilled, and also with connotations of being naive, the term has positive connotations for people who believe in the redpill. In my opinion, they have very good intentions towards men who ask them for help, and some of the things they promote are positive, but they are also low IQ and basically believe in movie tropes But again, this last part is my subjective opinion.

1/2

>>82874910

The blackpill is a very fatalistic version of the redpill. They think people are evil, women are awful, bad things come to good people, looks are absolutely determinant in terms of socializing and an ugly person will never be accepted and should hate society and kill himself, and is ultimately justified in carrying out a mass shooting, and will be praised by blackpillers for doing so. The blackpill sustains that all of redpill strategy and theory is useless, because there's nothing that can be done about being insufficiently good looking. There's also an enshittened version of the blackpill going around with tiktok zoomers that basically waters it down.

I have to say, I believe in the blackpill btw.

>>82874910
>Redpill started on reddit
No it fucking didn't.

Tourists...

>>82874929
>Redpill started on reddit
>No it fucking didn't.
Yeah pick up artists were brooding on forums as far 90s and The Game was published in 2005.

>>82874929
it did, trp on reddit was the beginning that i remember, or at least the way it became big

>>82874993
Read The Game. PUA community was already so established that real journalist Neil Strauss (back then we still had such) was investigating it full force in 2001.

>>82874495
the blackpill is that the trajectory of your life is completely dictated by your genetics

>>82874993
No lol. Rollo used to post on sosuave back in the day. I know because I once called him a pretentious windbag

>>82875031
yes but your genetics are pretty much identical to everyone else's. the whole point of human genes is that they adapt to our choices and lifestyles. it just depends on what you want to do in life, and blacked pillers choose to watch porn all day (an objectively unnatural thing that has nothing to do with genetics)(

>>82875031
Well you can also fail genetic if you ate bad as kid.

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>>82875058
>yes but your genetics are pretty much identical to everyone else's

>>82875067
That's not what genetics are anon. That's nutrition

>>82874878
then you don't need to take a "pill" for that. you wouldn't need to intervene. taking a blackmaxx pill is to pretend like you are le enlightened, but without the fedora and with more edgy attention whoring about learned helplessness. blackmaxxing pills emerged alongside other victim olympics shit, it was just more oriented around lonely men with sedentary lives. not nihilism, more "le wrong generation" shit

>>82875080
>genetics is when i photoshop
yes, i guarantee you don't know what genetics are. body dysmorphia has no genetic cause, even the pussy slayer can call himself ugly

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>>82875101
And what does cause recessed chin in your opinion?

>>82875018
>>82875055

ok but did those people call themselves redpilled? because if not then it literally started on reddit

anyway maybe you're right, i dont want to argue over this, maybe i made a mistake, i was trying to help. by the way i think rollo tomassi is even lower IQ than trp. i've read him say women don't fall in love and only want a man for what he can provide. this is not even close to being real with attractive men that they are into.

>>82875101

ok but the slayer will still be good looking and easily get female attention and the incel won't, even if he is confident

you are a woman and TO YOU, the main consequence of being attractive is higher self esteem and feeling better about yourself, but to incels, the main thing we miss for not looking good enough is being loved at all

>>82874194
The post that's screencapped in the OP is what made me realize my situation is hopeless. When I was fighting the brutal uphill battle of trying to get a girlfriend, I would often tell myself "damn, this is hard, but I guess everyone has to do it." This post made me realize that no, most people don't have to do it. They just get girlfriends. They don't have to change everything about themselves to stop repulsing women. They don't hold onto unfixable relationships because the alternative might be dying alone. Most couldn't fathom being completely unloved since high school.
But hey, what are you gonna do? If women just aren't attracted to me then I don't owe them anything either. And that's liberating.

>>82875163
>ok but did those people call themselves redpilled?
No. They operated on principles of redpill but they didn't called themselves that.

>because if not then it literally started on reddit
yeah redpill terminology usage started to arise after reddit founding (and not only on reddit but reddit is front page of normies internet).

>>82875205
>They don't hold onto unfixable relationships because the alternative might be dying alone.
Actully this is common place. see all dead bedroom marriages.

>>82875205
Look at the TV show Friends. Ross and Chandler are the closest characters to incels. Neither are virgins, and both end up with their dream girl in the end, no "self improvement" necessary. In one episode, Ross is portrayed as a pathetic, desperate loser because it's been six months since the last time he had sex.
Normies just don't understand us.

>>82875219
True, plus people who stay in abusive relationships.
It does say something about how bad loneliness is that they'd rather be abused than alone though.

>>82875247

That's mostly just foids with chads.

I don't think many men stay in abusive relationships. Because normie men are different than normie foids. The men think they already "scored broo", they already had her and their ego is satisfied, so if she is abusive they can dump her and go back to gooning, and they won't feel as bad as a foid who secured a chad and loses him.

>>82875238
I relate to Chandler in the early seasons. He's hopeless and awkward and desperate. He tries to prop up his relationship with Janice because he worries that she might be the only girl for him, something I did with both of my ex girlfriends.
Then he got together with Monica, with zero effort on his part. And everything just works out for him from then on.
That just wouldn't happen to me. If I were Chandler, I'd awkwardly try to flirt with Monica then she'd call the police. And if I actually got together with her, she'd invariably leave me for Richard (the Chad she dates in the early seasons) a few months in.

>>82874920
redpill isn't exclusively dating and blackpill isn't exclusively looks. Also,
>They think people are evil
This. People aren't good or evil, human beings are retarded fucking animals. And being a retarded fucking animal is scary. A cat might be a bit slow and stupid, but a cat has no nuclear weapons or no monopoly on voilence, and so forth. Has fuck all to do with dating/sex and you don't even need to be any pill to KNOW that. That's the default over 105iq obviously duh knowledge.

>>82875238
>Look at the TV show Friends

The same TV show that had these brokies living spacious NYC apartments? I don't think they understand a lot of things

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>>82875238
Ross is 6'1". Subconsciously normies were preaching blackpill even back then
Imagine they put real 5'5" brown in this group and he scored.
>nope not realistic

>>82875319
In some later seasons, Chandler worries that Monica might be cheating on him with Richard. He's portrayed as being in the wrong for this, but knowing how women are I can't help but wonder if he was right.

>>82875271
Funny how women will stay with a Chad who beats the shit out of her but if an incel even comes near her she'll call the police.

>>82875238
>>82875401
dont they all fuck each other? Its the most normie shit in this realm. Every Stacy I know loves it. And everyone who loves it is a Stacy

>>82875182
>easily
no. a self loathing retard will get nothing. there are countless good looking and average looking "incels" who fell for the blacked pill and have no clue how genetics work.

>>82874194
It's genetic (and in general) determinism, which is literally mostly true. In a nutshell, within the context of dating (and life to some degree):
>bluepill:
>just work hard and you can do anything!
>being funny, optimistic and honest is how you succeed in life!
>women like guys thats are funny, interesting and confident!
>mostly regurgitated platitudes that don't actually teach you anything useful
>Redpill:
>All of this is bullshit, and you need to work hard to create some form of value for yourself
>women like guys that have status, are rich, muscular and dominant, work on yourself.
>Not everyone starts equal, but everyone can make something out of themselves
>mostly common sense and/or dudebro logic
>Blackpill:
>Every aspect of your life including whether you can succeed or not is determined by a genetic lottery and factors completely outside of your control
>All that matters is looks, height, intelligence, and many other predominantly genetic traits, your personality could be anything if you have those and you'll still see success
>women only care about looks and the rest is virtue signaling
>guys that are pieces of shit and look good are actually far more sucessful in their careers and dating.
>mostly based on scientific research

>>82875571
Normies love casual sex. For people like us, sex is this mythical unattainable feat. Having it casually is just absurd.

>>82874194
Neither of your definitions
Blue and redpill was from some ancient boomer movie about seeing reality for what it is
Blue was for remaining ignorant of reality and redpill was for seeing reality
Guys used to think "oh shit I'm like taking the red pill and comprehending the matrix!" after being flaked on by a woman for the 5th time
I guess the color black was used because it's dark and pessimistic but because people were still thinking in terms of "pilled" this and "pill" that, acknowledging and recognizing it's over for you was deemed "blackpill"

>>82874194
The blackpill is the realization that women simply aren't attracted to you and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>82877400
The blackpill isn't inherently pessimistic, though. In fact, you might be happier after taking it. When you realize that nothing you do will ever make women attracted to you, you can stop wasting your time trying to attract them. Spend time on your own hobbies and interests without worrying about if they'll give women the ick. You owe women nothing.

>>82877473
Trvke. Make the most out of your situation instead of whining about it or wasting energy trying to get out of it.

>>82874920
>and is ultimately justified in carrying out a mass shooting
They are. If you ever read the background of most school shooters, you realize that they are heroes who did the right thing. Bullying should result in a death sentece carried out by the bullied, bullying is evil.

>>82876315
>>guys that are pieces of shit and look good are actually far more sucessful in their careers and dating.
It doesn't even really matter if they are good looking, just being completely objectively evil grants you most what you desire.

My understanding of the black pill, and how I apply it to my life, is to accept my inherent ugliness.
Its to accept the fact that the chances of women ever being attracted to me physically, are slim to none. So theres no point in trying to pursue women and show romantic interest. Its an exercise in futility.

>>82874495
>>82874770
The redpill isn't pessimistic from the person taking it because it still bases itself on the idea that any man who is on the grindset can make it. All the other shit like society being shallow just serves to fuel the redpiller's ego about being above it all and playing the system.

>>82874194
The redpill is a bunch of crap.
What you need in your life is the blackpill .
Watch some rehab bro : https://youtu.be/k38TEJp9rhs

>>82874194
More the first. Indeed, the Red Pill is only useful to Chad.
For incels and non-Chads, it is over because all women want Chad, and reject their looks-match. Fuck apps and social media ruined everything, because they have enabled this to happen since 2012, and it's only getting worse. Hence averagecels are now a thing.
The Black Pill is acceptance of that fact that it is over, and letting go of any hope of getting unpaid pussy in this life.

>>82877840
It's still easy to get lonely unfortunately.
>Maslow argued that self-actualization sat at the top of a hierarchy of psychological conditions that had to be satisfied in turn before one could actualize (realize) the 'self.' These were in turn, basic physiology (subsistence), safety, love/belonging, esteem, and then self-actualization. His step-wise hierarchical formulation has been questioned, but not the requirement for the several inputs. It should be obvious that some, if not all, of these require a surrounding set of social institutions. Love, belonging, and esteem all come from outside the individual's body. Negative liberty, the absence of any positive or negative encroachments, cannot create the whole human being, if Maslow's model correctly tells us how humans are constituted.

>>82874495
Kinda fumbled the whole bait with the last sentence. Whatever, maybe next time, you still got some juice out of it.

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>>82874194
>What is the definition of the Blackpill?
It's acceptance of reality to its absolute conclusion, no matter how fucking depressing, disabling or harmful it is.
It's in contradiction to the redpill, whose proponents often refused to face the absolute truth, in favor of ego-driven prerogatives; only choosing assumptions and beliefs that were still beneficial to them, in contradiction to the bluepill.

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>>82879570
>Watch some rehab bro
I don't like him. He visibly uses the blackpill as a coping mechanism and actively portrays himself as a victim to make himself feel better about his lot in life. It's just a coping mechanism for him, instead of being an acceptance and seeking out of the truth.

>>82880748
if you're lonely then go outside. models are worthless if you don't apply them.

>>82879519
>grindset
>make it
yeah but this isn't actually redpill cuckoldry. being part of the "matrix" and trying to be the best slopposter or consoooomer is not redpilled. there are a handful of grifters who took redpill cuckoldry and spun it around get-rich-quick schemes and crypto, but the core message of redpill cuckoldry is that the system is still broken and dystopian and society is still a bunch of NPCs regardless of what you do. yeah it isn't as helpless or deterministic as blacked pill, and you can go fuck whores or become giga rich if you're capable of doing that and are already hedonistic, but you're not redpilled if you pay for sex, you're redpilled if you think moral character doesn't matter. You're redpilled if you are pessimistic about marriage. You're redpilled if you are pessimistic about the future of society, which inherently includes you. You don't gain Neo magical powers from taking it, you just operate with a little more freedom in the direction of wrecklessness and self-indulgence. Doom spending for example cannot be optimistic or even realistic.

>>82880929
Are you illiterate anon. If you know Maslow, he talks about a hierarchy of human needs.
>just don't have needs lol
No foul if you're memeing, but if you're serious you can't just act retarded and pretend it's valid.

>>82880992
Are you retarded? If you "know Maslow" and applying his model doesn't work for you, then you are a buffoon. He's telling you how to fucking stop being lonely....did it work?

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>>82880929
Needs can only be fulfilled if the external reality is capable of fulfilling them. You can't gain social connections if other people aren't capable of (willing and able) to build them with you.

>>82881032
>I want something that doesn't exist in reality
Then they aren't needs. The framing of the entire hierarchy is inherently linked with locus of control. It has literally nothing to do with other people, it has to do with whether or not you currently have those connections, and what you are doing to gain them.

>>82874194
you got it all wrong. the blackpill is simply saying ur fucked and there's nothing you can do about it so you might as well face reality and give up. it can apply to any situation, for many reasons. for dating it could be because you're short, or not white, or poor (true) or your dick is too small etc. whether or not you believe is irrelevant, the truth will always be true, and some men really are that unfuckable and shouldnt even bother trying

>>82881097
If those men were unfuckable then they dads would never have they kids. Black pill is so dumb.

>>82881088
>I want something that doesn't exist in reality
>Then they aren't needs.
Yes they are, you fucking retard. I can shut you in a cage, leave you without food or drink, and despite that, food and drink would still be needs you have. All this, despite the fact that IN REALITY, YOUR "ACCESS TO FOOD AND DRINKS" WOULDN'T EXIST IN REALITY, but you would still NEED them regardless.
Seriously, how fucking retarded are you to try to make an argument like this?

Just kill yourself. Go grab whatever large kitchen knife you have, disembowel yourself and strangle yourself to death with your own intestines. How does a human even make such an argument? Are you some LLM bot?

>>82881126
>Yes they are
If they don't exist, then they aren't needs. Just fantasies.

Maslows retardation isn't about locking people up in cages, it's about what motivates you. If you are currently missing out on relationships, then you are motivated to seek out relationships. It's really that simple. It has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with cages or any abstract bullshit metaphor you use. If you are not looking for relationships or you believe you aren't good enough to find a girlfriend or whatever, then you DONT NEED IT

>>82881126
Anon. Sperging out harder doesn't mean you're making more sense. Look at this.
>Love, belonging, and esteem all come from outside the individual's body
If these three things are psychological needs that come from interaction with other people, how exactly can they be fulfilled in social isolation?

>>82881107
men are not clones of their fathers. fathers contribute more traits than mothers do but not 100%. there's a good chance he didnt pass on enough traits that could get a woman's pussy wet. my father died when i was young (old age) so i can't use myself as an example but i'm pretty sure i didn't get the 'tism from him. probably my mum. she did admit to smoking while pregnant

>>82874194
The ultimate blackpill is that I am wasting my time here...

>>82881161
Was your mum unfuckable?

>>82881158
>If they don't exist, then they aren't needs.
That's utterly illogical.
You could wipe out all the water on the planet Earth, and humans would still NEED water.

I didn't even bother reading your full post, because you're obviously not capable of any kind of rationality. You probably, actually, are some LLM bot.

>>82881160
Go kill yourself, retard.

>>82881166
clearly at least 1 man thought so but we're not talking about average people here. i'm talking the absolute bottom of the barrel, Chris Chan levels of unfuckable, and dont forget no one cared who Chris Chan was until he was internet famous. Most people in Chris's tier arent internet famous. Many of them will die alone, having left no impact on the world

>>82881179
>humans would still NEED water
If you wipe out water then humans don't exist because they are mostly water. You are too fucking retarded to understand what Maslows hierarchy is. A caged cuckold is not looking for water, he is looking for freedom. He is doing everything in his power to get out of his cuck cage. A retard like you who probably never goes out to any parties or dates does not need social connections, you need a slap in the fucking face.

>>82881184
>at least 1 man thought so
I doubt it. If you are unfuckable then your parents probably never had sex, it's just genetic determinism.

>>82881200
i think you're overestimating how much looks you get from your parents, assuming looks is what drove them to each other in the first place. it could be because of wealth. dad did drive two cars.

>>82881239
incels all look the same because they all actively destroy their posture and skin with bad habits.

>>82881179
>Go kill yourself, retard
You're not a very interesting conversationalist.

>>82881252
to be fair if he just learned some anger management he would easily get a girlfriend.