Do you relate to this at all?
Yes. I've failed at so many things that I no longer believe success is even possible.
yes i am deeply retarded and need mommy
>>82887522Yes. i think it's why i became a shut in neet
>>82887522yes god put a shock collar me i couldnt see
>>82887522So how do you stop being like this? Or am I doomed to rot in a hell of my own creation?
>>82887541i love how they word it like its the persons fault too. it makes it sound like its your fault for giving up after being fucking brainwashed and abused into not doing anything.
>>82887680i think about this alot, so many sources i see relating to learned helplessness seems to just, blame the person with it like its a moral failing when its an enviromental failing
>>82887522I've become acutely aware that the condition exists this year. I can't say I relate to it, because I've done a tremendous amount of work to ensure this year that I do not.
>>82887569You clearly aren't ready for the answer and I doubt you ever will be.
>>82887680>>82887689It is your fault.You made the choice to trust the slave moralists.Every man's id yearns for autonomy. The betrayal of the beta against himself was ignoring the call.
somewhathowever just because its a term coined by psychologists and considered a pathology doesnt negate that a lot of people are genuinely fucked by reasons beyond their control
Free will doesn't exist. Everything is predetermined by the cosmos chaos. There is no god. You are a slave to a single moment between birth and death.
>>82887522My helplessness is real
for me it's having an external locus of control.
>>82887680>>82887689>learned helplessness retards acting out the conditioning by again blaming things that aren't themselves>self reflection seemingly impossible
>>82887522>another LMHEC robot post that drones on about retarded shitI need to stop going on /r9k/. Or just hide every LMHECbot post on sight.
>>82889126Well said. I've learned to have zero sympathy for losers like that after realizing everything is each individual man's fault and that victimhood is a choice.
>>82889126i think u misunderstood me , learned helplessness is enviromentally caused but can only be solved by ones self we're both right . sympathy isnt needed
>>82889399i agree with you fully unless the victimization isnt still occuring in the persons life, then its a little complicated although ive never seen a man with learned helplessness irl, i see it more in women so its interesting to see men talk about it.
>>82887522Used toI got outBut in the process of getting out, I went insane so I don't know if it's a win or a lose
>>82887522Yes 100 percent lol
>>82887522Trust me it's even worse if you're not really helpless, know you could probably change things but just fail to do so every single time due to your own retardation. That way you can't blame external factors for it. It's at least partially your own fault and you know it.
It's been there to a slight degree my whole life but after I lost my job I just decided fuck it, I'm gonna play Vidya and hang out in my apartment until I get kicked out and once I'm homeless I can start doing the real drugs.
>>82887569Well first you realize that the way you are currently isn't your fault. But at the same time your problems are within your control and you can do something to fix them. Practically speaking that means you find something that you can do that will build confidence and competence. Any sort of character building activity where there's an aspect of overcoming. This is why kids who don't play sports as children turn out weird and why they're important. The underlying meaning of games is that you do them, you win, get better, overcome, and that makes you more willing to play other "games".Obviously it doesn't have to be sports, it can be anything. Some sales job, martial arts, whatever thing that forces you to fuck up and fail and look like a loser and eventually maybe through the struggle you can become stronger.
>>82887522i saw this exact image in a telegram chat i frequent earlier today. either it has been reposted by the target of it or it's the first result on images, and i'm too lazy to check. if it is telegram guy, get off this board and clean your desk
>>82889711Wouldn't fully agree with this. Some people's problems here are completely their fault.
>>82887680I reread the image, but couldn't find it placing blame on anyone. It says "Uncontrollable Bad Events". It does say perceived lack of control, but that's what comes after the events you cannot control.
>>82889134I came out of a huge sickness that lasted two days, and this was the first coherent post I could put together. I was helpless
>>82889854I wanted to go with dog on the conveyor belt, but didn't know how to explain the concept fluently. Plus the image taught me more of the subject than I had realized.
>>82889945The thread's about learned helplessness, and learned helplessness is induced.
>>82887522>Do you relate to this at all?Of course. When shit fails all the time, we give up.NEETing is much more comfier for me than sperging out in a miserable 'customer service hell' job every single day and getting fired over it.
>>82889711>whatever thing that forces you to fuck up and fail and look like a loserYour idea of improving someone's ingrained and reflexive helplessness is to subject them to more failure?Not the brightest bulb in the bunch, are you?
>>82887522>move schools a bunch as a child>parents don't care what you do>school performance makes no difference to anything>literally nothing mattersyes
>>82887522Yes and no.I still put effort into things and sure a lot of things that are within my control end up perfectly fine.It's when other people are involved that I give up, because controlling other people is impossible without delving into machiavellian thinking and would compromise what little morals I have left. I would turn into something I despise, moreso than what I am now.I despise how helpless even the average person is and yet how much support seems to flock to them and bail them out. Makes me want to commit a great evil like running a business.
Yes, my brain's reward center is completely messed up. I think I might like video games as much because that's the only time in my life where work and effort pays off.
>>82891216what's your idea then faggot
>>82887522its been defining my entire life.
>>82889498It's a form of arrested development inherited from unhealed childhood "trauma" of emasculation.
>>82887522yes. now what? do you think ne posting in this thread is gonna solve it. do you think you reading those countless replies is gonna solve your learned helplessness? No.Idiot.
>>82889498Men are forced to hide it.
For myself any all the anons here that agree, how on earth do we move past this? my learned helplessness feels totally automatic. i've done the small wins. i do take control over things and have seen myself be able. But as soon as things get tough, it's just back to my old ways
>>82887522Funny that they call it 'learned helplessness', since that implies that the demoralization campaigns are as real as they are grim.
>>82887522There was a thread about stoicism that might still be on this board but it framed learned helplessness as stoicism. If you're the OP of both threads, you're doing some good thinking.
