doesn't it baffle you how some gays here can be right wing and religious? being right-wing is overwhelmingly tied with religion, which surprise hates us because of one line written by some desert people 3000 years ago. Their ideology is inherently anti homosexual. They aren't evil, a conservative, wealthy white straight male makes perfect sense, they are defending their own interests like everyone else.What doesn't make sense is when a member of a minority joins the side that at best disapprove of said minority. It's a belief system in total opposition to your gayness, a pure example of cognitive dissonance.I talk to conservatives aplenty, they have varying opinions on several issues but the one thing they have in common is opposition to one specific minority and scapegoating said minority as the root cause of all problems.It's just that nowadays they focus more on their hate for immigrants more than gays, but to think they are sympathetic to gays is just blindness
>huepersonator outside of r9gaywhat the fuck are you doing mister
noeternal MAGA
>>82905853I'm gay and support Trump. I don't care about marriage, I don't think the state should be involved in marriage at all. Trump is better for my taxes also. And democrats want to import third worlders who think I should be thrown off a building, while republicans mostly just want to preach at me and not have books about people like me in schools. There's a lesser evil here and it's not the democrats
>>82905897Self hating traitor. If we share a barrack at the camps, you're not gonna make it to the gallows
>>82905897>don't think the state should be involved in marriage at allBut it is. That is the reality of the legal system. You're cheering on your own loss of rights
>>82905919>>82905929Do you guys think that the Indians, Arabs, and subsahsran Africans the Dems want to import as a "solution" to our demographic crisis are going to respect my rights more than Republicans?
>>82905919Meanwhile the m*dslimes that throw gays off of buildings entering out country:
>>82905949Nta and not homo, but do you think they have any power?You are insanely delusional.
>>82905853They wouldnt it would be political suicide
>>82905949>Be gay African fleeing from homophobia in home country >Get caught up by racism in new country Your lack of empathy is not a good look for any minority. Will the children of these scary homophobic immigrants, who happen to grow up gay, face better odds here or back home? You don't want to extend the hand of sympathy but your very existence depends on larger society doing that for you
>>82905968They WILL have power if we import enough of them. That's why I vote R at the very least until Dems accept the need to totally end immigration from outside of the first world
>>82905853people don't care about marriage anymore it's a useless thing that means nothing so i doubt anyone will change their mind on trump over it
>>82905964Meanwhile the gay muslims fleeing from homophobia entering the country:
>>82905980We have no realistic way of screening immigrants to make sure they support gay rights. If we did have that, I'd support it. Since that's not happening, we have to keep them all out, they can fix their own countries rather than running away.
>>82905984In order to not give power to these scary homophobic immigrants, you gave power to the homophobic party that will chop your rights away And you thank them for it.
>>82905993Outnumbered 99 to 1 by the m*dslimes at the grocery store I get to watch beat their fucking wives in public
>>82905897pretty much i agree with that but there is a concern with things like parental rights (if a gay couple has kids and only one can be legally the "father") and hospital visitation and management of assets, i'm sure there's more but that's what i can think of off the top of my head, it was awful during the aids epidemic when a man couldn't be there for his partner, whatever hospitals have the only "family" can visit rule are frankly idiotic in my opinion since i'm sure lots of people would rather see the people they care about and who care about them then have visitation decision made on the arbitrary basis of shared dna not just gay people but it affects us especially. these are things the court should and will consider and the decision will most likely be made on originalist grounds so they may conclude that the federal government shouldn't be involved in this and you're right ideally they shouldn't but we don't live in an ideal world and they still have an obligation to protect the rights of gays living in red states.
>>82905994>Fuck gay immigrants, not my problem Wait until right wing conservatives say the same about you and your problems.
>>82905897I hope Trump executes all faggots like you. Unironically
>>82906002>Outnumbered 99 to 1In your mind. Muslims coming to the west are fleeing from majority muslim nations for a reason, and most of the time it's not because religious fundamentalism was benefiting them
>>82906032Then maybe they should stop beating their wives at the grocery store
>>82906006I don't think republicans are perfect, they got a lot of flaws. They are just the lesser evil for me. If Dems would support ending immigration, they'd probably win me back over even if they raised my taxes a lot to be honest>>82905999GOP is mildly homophobic but mostly they want to leave people alone, they support some discrimination and dumb shit but the average Republican isn't remotely as homophobic as the average third world person. That's why it's so important to stop mass immigration. It's about the long term. I'd rather be whatever second class citizen the GOP wants me to be than to be the long term outcome of mass immigration - not a second class citizen but executed and killed.
>>82906023Trump doesn't care nearly enough about social conservative shit to execute gay people. Really his takeover of the GOP signals a (relatively!) secular and chill version of the GOP
if a gay bbc wants to immigate here to escape homophobia he can do so by becoming my bf(permanant) otherwise he's just going to pump and dump stacy(male twink) and i will still have no bf thus i don't care
>>82906037no m*dslime defender will ever address this
>>82906038>If dems fucked immigrants over like the republicans fucked gays overYeah, if only we got to choose which minorities to hate like that.
>>82906074It's perfectly fine to keep our people who don't agree with basic western values. If they don't support our values, they can stay in the disgusting shit holes they came from.
>>82906055>Address my anecdote Sure thing, your country has laws against domestic violence does it not? His wife is safer here than she would be back in her godforsaken country. She should stay.
>>82906038>they want to leave people alone>They support some discrimination Cognitive dissonance at play
>>82906091so you're not american nor talking about american politics, just projecting from whatever third world shithole you come from as well demanding we take in unlimited niggers. Got it
>>82906038>the average Republican isn't remotely as homophobic as the average third world person. That's why it's so important to stop mass immigration. It's about the long term.Immigrants secularize, scientific evidence shows. You are preventing millions of gays and women from oppressive countries to have a chance at freedom that they so much longed for.
>>82906048yeah i'm just worried about what happens after trump leaves in 2032. i mean vance wears guyliner but i don't know if that's enough to say he's one of us. there's definitely plenty of homophobic social conservatives and if one of them ends up taking over the party things are going to suck but i still agree they are the lesser evil for now until the left becomes sane again but every good dem seems to eventually join republican's (we might be getting fetterman soon for example) anyway so honestly maybe they're will be a chance we can squash the religious wing of the party and just focus on the common sense, this definitely a cross roads for both parties
oy vey the science says you need to bring literally millions upon millions of brown people into your country that will work for $5 an hour
>>82906038>I'd rather be whatever second class citizen the GOP wants than abandon my racism Sad. It's always like this>Gay chud >Look closer>Racism and xenophobia You have prioritized your hate for other minorities, forgetting you are one. Slave mentality
>>82906150erm are you being tribalist actually you need to subscribe to MY tribalism
>>82906140Suddenly their homophobia is not the problem, the problem is elites exploiting workforce
>>82906162Sorry I just don't want millions of browns that want me dead in the country that will reduce my wages even further than they have already gone.
>>82906114Immigrants are not sexualizing in Europe. Things are getting crazy thereAgain I'd be fine with immigrants if we could select for the ones who share our values. But that would probably be found "unconstitutional" or something And why can't liberals try to persuade people on the third world to stop being so oppressive so the tiny percent there who support gay rights and other rights don't need to run away? I just don't see why we need to take them all >>82906132Same, it is concerning. I'm not so worried about Vance because he used to run in liberal circles plus he has politics on easymode if he just runs as "Trump's third term" and sticks with the same stuff. But he might also be a genuine born again evangelical sort And Fetterman, now there's a man who seems oddly sane despite his stroke potentially making him objectively the least mentally fit member of Congress
>>82906157You have sided with a tribe that hates you for being gay and will chip your rights away whenever possible. No self preservation
>>82906167They literally are secularizing as we speak and you have been successfully swayed by propaganda aimed to convince you that the crazy muslim fundamentalist immigrant is the rule, when he's the exception
>>82905999Republicans want to take away some privileges and perhaps demand that homosexuals keep it in the closet, Muslims want to actually murder all homosexuals.
>>82906181Ermmm you have you youNo, I don't want millions upon millions of violent gay hating browns in my country because I am not suicidal and I don't hate myself. You want that, because you are, and you do. Democrat party has become the suicide cult party, every other political position has been set aside except the death of this country.
>>82906114>Immigrants secularize, scientific evidence shows.Scientific evidence shows the opposite. Islamic communities in Britain - full of Muslims born and raised in Britain - are far more extreme in their views than most Gulf Arabs.
>>82906150I prioritize not getting yeeted off a building by Amed Shimdesalami you candy ass honk, he will move into your safe suburban neighborhood and become your problem too once property values are driven down low enough you know that don't you?
the silence is tellingreminder that Im sick and tired of muslims beating their wives at the grocery store for the shitbrown muslims in this thread
>>82906203You prioritize closing your doors to the gay people being thrown off buildings.
>>82906190>Take away some privileges >Right to exist publicly without hiding who you are I can smell the self hatred from here
>>82906166Browns who are escaping from the countries where they kill gays. They are coming to get secularized. You just don't like their colour. It's old fashioned racism
>>82906280I don't like the indian selling meth bubbles to minors at the gas station
>>82906203>he will move into your safe suburban neighborhood and become your problemHis children, some of which are gay and female, would live in hell back in their home country. Here they will have a chance. Your point of view is purely egotistical, which could be reasonable if you weren't a minority. The hand of empathy won't be closed just for immigrants. You rely on the same empathy to survive, and republicans are shutting it down.
>>82906198Scientific evidence shows immigrants secularize and their birth rates decrease and reach native levels in 2 generations. It's what happens when you are raised in a secular world with freedom. The ones who don't are the exception not the rule
>>82906315the exception in britain, italy, poland, sweden, norway, denmark, belgium, america, germany, austria, france, spain, holland... where is this magical place where the exception has not happened and muslims arent throwing acid at homos
>>82906258and how man murderous mudslimes do i have to let in for every one gay boy i'm saving? and again if there are gays in these countries that want our help why don't we set up a network to get them specifically instead of leaving it to chance?>>82906262we should have kept it in the closet like had since this country was founded (and earlier) anyway. it opened the door to much weird stuff and at least then we weren't getting killed all the time june 12th 2016 was just the beginning of what the want to do to this country we can't let them go any further.
>>82906295You are falling for the conservative narrative, that immigrants are the root of your problems. Meanwhile you actively defend the chopping of your rights
>>82906341>saying 'chopping' over and over in a nonsensical wayYou are brown
>>82906195Most of these browns are neither violent nor gay hating, their families here have a chance to live a secular free life like they would never be able to back in their home countries. You shut the door to them, forgetting the republicans will be shutting the door to your rights soon enough. After immigrants, you're next in line.
>>82906354Does your entire argument hinge on slippery slope?
>>82906348>Not an argument Aren't you the homosexual who defended trump saying conservatives "only" want you back in the closet?I guess it doesn't make a difference for someone who never got out
>>82906354>erm you should just let browns kill you personally because think of all the other brown gays!No
>>82906358>Projecting That's actually your argument that immigrants will turn the country into sharia law caliphate.They came here to be free.
>>82906359no, there's more than one person calling you retarded in this country and in this thread. There are about seventy seven million of us actually and we are going to forcibly remove the shitbrowns whether you like it or not. We won. Hang yourself, brownoid.
>>82906366>They came here to be free.so when are they going to start acting like it?
Why should we force churches to do something against their doctrine?
>>82906363>kill youThey're coming here to work and be free. Your "argument" is a fallacy called argumentum ad absurdum
>>82906366>your argument that immigrants will turn the country into sharia law caliphate.I never said this, so you are actually projecting your own lack of argument.Fuck, man, leftists act this obtuse and disingenuous and wonder why everyone's turning against them
>>82906379Marriage is mandated by state and any church can do it, like I could literally invent a new religion from scrap and marry people left and right all thanks to religious freedom. No one is forcing churches to marry gay couples. Some churches do that voluntarily
>>82906386https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
>>82906379they don't have to they represent their people (christians) the state represents their people (all citizens which includes gays, christians, and gay christians alike) the religious have their rights which we won't infringe on and they're not allowed to infringe on ours either.
>>82906373You're gonna lose your gay rights, gincel
>>82906405>>82906396Then they should just get civil unions. Marriage is a religious ceremony.
>>82906390Your argument is literally saying gay hating immigrants will harm youForgetting about the gay immigrants fleeing from persecution, and every shade of muslim man who comes here precisely to enjoy western freedom of sexuality, not rebuke it. Remember, insults are the arguments of those who are wrong
>>82906422https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacksand your argument is denying reality
>>82906419Marriage is a word. No religion owns a word. There aren't "civil unions" in america. Marriage is mandated by law and currently a right to everyone
>>82906430How many immigrants have committed terrorism?How many natives have done it?
>>82906377They are acting like it now. You rely on outliers because most immigrants are hard working and freedom lovin' people
>>82905853Don't you want Legislators making the law, and not the Supreme Court?How does it make sense that the Supreme Court would decide whether gay marriage is legal or illegal in all 50 states, whether abortion is legal or illegal in all 50 states. Shouldn't it be the job of the state legislators to decide the legality of Gay marriage in California or Abortion in Alabama?
>>82906442https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/designating-antifa-as-a-domestic-terrorist-organization/Youre right we also have self hating whites like you to deal with
>>82906435>>82906435>Marriage is not mandated by law in the United States; rather, it is a legal status that individuals choose to enter into
Ahhh blissful silence as you realize you can't openly endorse antifa without going on a fucking list. That right there is the sound of winning.
>>82906449Well the problem is California democratically voted against gay marriage and the left doesn't like it when people vote the wrong way so they ran squealing to the kritarchy to override democracy.
>>82905979Not if we just outlaw being a Democrat.
>>82905853Fags always cuck for religious zealots, see gays for palestine. Or Dearborn Michigan. Its why I stopped caring about gay issues lol
>>82906449The Supreme Court is there to affirm if a law adheres to the Constitution. They don't make laws, they just make sure they're in line -- IF a case manages to make it that far and is contentuous enough to be brought to them.As someone else pointed out, however, CA voted against gay marriage and then it was pushed through. I wouldn't trust legislators with anything. Once you put a law into effect, good luck retracting it.
>>82905853The crash out after this gets overturned would be fucking beautiful.
