Why do you want kids, anon?
i was abused as a child and i think it should be my turn
>>82916723to continue the cycle of suffering
>>82916732>i was abused as a child and i think it should be my turnWow, I didn't expect a real reason
My father abandoned us when I was 1yo.At 8, I got a step father and later a half sister. But I just played vidya, I went to uni and when I got back I realized how much I miss my family while being sad of how much I missed out on life with them.I want at least 2, a girl and a boy, girl first, I wanna make up for when I just ignored my sister. And then a boy to go play in a park every weekend, like I wish I could have
>>82916723a) too expensive b) need a mate c) don't want to pass on bad genes or a bad hand d) don't want them to be a future 4channer or redditor e) it isn't necessary f) other reasons
because i want to perpetuate white supremacy
>>82916723Why don't you want kids, roastie?
>>82916723i do not, i do not wish to pass my sociopathy onto a smaller innocent me
>>82916723i want to love and be loved, basicallyi'd like to experience that with a child of mine someday, someone who's the fruit of my love with a girl
I played with my cousins 1yo old boy today. He's cute and everything, but I wouldn't want to be responsible for keeping him alive. I just lay in bed all day, kinda like a baby myself.
>>82918200I'm a guy, anon. I hate kids and taking care of a kid is too much work
I will never bring a child to this world. I didn't ask to be born. They didn't either. I'll spare them the pointless suffering.
because it's literally the meaning of life
I have many personal reasons, but outside of those, mainly to own the antinatalists, who are insane coward faggots afraid of death and aging
>>82916723>Why do you want kids, anon?I don't. Screw that!
>>82917012To add to this, like 90% of the fathers I know are miserable. They complain about having to give up hobbies, not sleeping enough, dead bedrooms and having no disposable income. I've also noticed both them and their wives begin to age like shit after having kids, which makes sense as stress is very bad for you. Still, the biological conditioning will make them cope by saying "I don't regret it" minutes after swearing about how expensive their kid's doctor visit was.I want a comfy, wealthy life with time for hobbies after work and savings/investments to retire early. Having kids or even getting married would badically destroy my life. I'm literally scared paranoid to have PinV sex with a fertile woman because accidents happen even with condoms.Becoming a father looks like the dumbest self-inflicted harm one could do to themselves. It's an 18yr+ expensive responsibility and gamble that denands a lot of effort and time and consumes you through stress.
i donti might have been talked into itbut its too late now
>>82919091>afraid of death and agingaren't they supposed to hate childbirth? it's the exact opposite
I don't. I'm glad my husband has had a vasectomy. Now since we've been married, I no longer need to resort to using bc.
>>82916723There should be more people in the world, but especially more of me and the woman I love. Also:>meaning in life>see the world through fresh eyes>positive impact on the world and people around me>legacyDeath is only the end if you believe the story is about you :)
>>82919401>meaning in lifeYou are cruel to be so selfish to bring children because you cannot find meaning in your own life.>see the world through fresh eyesLiving vicariously through your children is extremely selfish. >positive impact on the world and people around meNot a guarantee. Your child has an excellent chance of being a drug addict.>legacyAnother selfish reason. You are bringing someone into the world which there will be pain and misery. You are the one inflicting that onto them because of your own selfish reasons. There is zero guarantee they will have an excellent quality of life.
>>82919401>meaning in lifeSo meaning in life to you is doing something everything from single-celled organisms to farmyard animals can do? Nothing more grand going on in your life?>see the world through fresh eyesYou'll be an oldfag with oldfag issues mainly caused by having to constantly care and stress over a helpless small human. Bu having a kid, you give up your youth and are forced to stop being a child. No, you can't beam yourself into their brain and feel like a kid again. This is brainlet cope thinking.>positive impact on the world and people around meStatistically, your kid is at best going to become another wagie to be explited by capitalism's infinte growth strategy. At worst, you could end up with a criminal. In the middle, a NEET with no employment prospects because of AI and mass immigration. I'd hardly call any of that positive for you or your relatives.>legacyYou're not special in any way and having kids doesn't make you any more special than a cell that divides. Your legacy doesn't matter and unless you actually do something significant for humanity, you will be forgotten within 2 generations. If you want to have a legacy, you're better off even becoming a mass shooter. You'll at least end up with a wikipedia article.
>>82919421>You are cruel to be so selfish to bring childrenExplain to me how I can be mean and cruel to someone who doesnt exist?>Living vicariously through your children is extremely selfish. Selfish how? Am I exploiting them somehow because of this added benefit? Am I burdening them with it?>Not a guarantee. Your child has an excellent chance of being a drug addict.Neither I nor anyone in my family or social circles are drug addicts, nor addicts of any kind, nor have they had any mental health breaks, nor have they had any physical disabilities, etc. Nothing in life is guaranteed or without risk, but you would have to make a pretty compelling case to suggest that thats a dealbreaker kek. My children will have agency and opportunity, and I will trust them with that. >You are bringing someone into the world which there will be pain and misery.There will also be joy and meaning, silly. You are assuming a priori that the pain and suffering outweighs the joy and meaning. In the same way you say that it's bad to allow someone (who doesnt exist ?) to experience pain, I say that it's bad to deny someone joy.Antinatalism is one of those "philosophies" that can be cured with a Sertraline prescription kek
>>82919467>So meaning in life to you is doing something everything from single-celled organisms to farmyard animals can doI am of course talking about the very human act of raising a child, and not the mechanical action of reproduction. You knew that already, of course.>Nothing more grand going on in your life?There are plenty of grand things going on in my life, and it would be silly not to share them.>You'll be an oldfag with oldfag issues mainly caused by having to constantly care and stress over a helpless small humanI'll be an oldfag regardless. I can be old and alone or old with kids, and I choose the latter.>you give up your youth and are forced to stop being a childWho would want to be a child forever? I choose to sacrifice my plurality of potentialities for a single reality. You can't Peter Pan around forever, and nobody wants to be the oldest guy at the college party. >No, you can't beam yourself into their brain and feel like a kid again. Never said that you could :)>Statistically, your kid is at best going to become another wagieStatistics talk about populations, not about people.>explited by capitalism's infinte growth strategyI highly recommend Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics">I'd hardly call any of that positive for you or your relatives.Anon, do you really think that employment is the only avenue for making a positive impact on the world?>You're not special in any way, your legacy doesn't matter Says who? I would disagree, my wife would disagree, my friends and family would disagree. You're not one of those people who think that humans are insignificant because stars are really really big, right?>You're better off even becoming a mass shooter. You'll at least end up with a wikipedia article.This kind of remark always reminds me a review of Talk Talk's "Laughing Stock": "It is unutterably pretentious and looks over its shoulder hoping that someone will remark on its 'moody brilliance' or some such. It's horrible."
>>82916723visited distant relations whose young kids came and hung out with me and when i was riling them up and giving them afvice and calming them down and playing with them i felt so happy, i was on the plane home and just hit by "i want to be a dad man what the fuck" it just activated some instinct in me i hadnt experienced because i havent been around children like that since I was a child myself
>>82916723I think it would be so cool to watch them grow. I also need someone to play boardgames with.
>>82919527All of this is cope. Raising a child to 18 costs hundreds of thousands of Dollars/Euros. Unless you're some manager or doctor making big bank, you'll end up a poorfag and aging like shit from not getting good sleep and being stressed. This is how most fathers I know are like. You do what you want, of course. But I sugges you go talk to some people who are parents already to get a perspective on what their struggles are. I work with some of those, so I know exactly what their lives are like, because they complain every day.
>>82919560>Raising a child to 18 costs hundreds of thousands of Dollars/EurosThere is nothing I would rather spend my money on.>you'll end up a poorfag I can afford it.>aging like shit I'll age one way or another.>not getting good sleep and being stressedYou're talking like having something in your life worth losing sleep over and stressing about is a bad thing. "If you do lots of stuff in your spare time, you won't have any spare time left!", "If you keep spending your money on things you want, you won't have any money left!", "If you're constantly putting effort into doing things you want to do, you won't have any willpower left!"I could never enjoy an unlived life.>This is how most fathers I know are like. I sugges you go talk to some people who are parents already to get a perspective on what their struggles are.My parents are happy, my aunts and uncles are happy, my grandparents are all happy, and my friends with children are all happy. Do you really think parents inevitably regret having kids? Grim!>You do what you want, of courseI always have done and I always will :)
>>82919401based.gl finding a wife
>>82919560>Unless you're some managerI'm a project manager and my wife is a finance director.
